Could 0-21 happen?

[Pitt79]

Does anybody here really enjoy Pitt basketball more now in the ACC, than they did in the BE days? Be honest, tell us how great it is seeing Duke and UNC, better thn dominating the BET and being a top dog and high NCAAT seed every year, right? As for football it's about the same 7 or 8 wins max.

 

[Saboteur II]

Does anybody here really enjoy Pitt basketball more now in the ACC, than they did in the BE days? Be honest, tell us how great it is seeing Duke and UNC, better thn dominating the BET and being a top dog and high NCAAT seed every year, right? As for football it's about the same 7 or 8 wins max.

I hated the Big East football. AFTER Miami and BC and VTech left it was a garbage conference, subjected to legitimate complaints of terrible play.
As for basketball, assuming Syracuse left (which they would have because they aren’t stupid) then Pitt would have been a second tier player IMHO. Moreover, the Big East was fun WHEN its coaches mirrored the identity of the teams. Carneseca, Thompson, Rollie, Boeheim were all personalities no Hollywood writer could believably conjure up.
Only Boeheim remains and he is a shell of his former self.
I want to be entertained.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Does anybody here really enjoy Pitt basketball more now in the ACC, than they did in the BE days? Be honest, tell us how great it is seeing Duke and UNC, better thn dominating the BET and being a top dog and high NCAAT seed every year, right? As for football it's about the same 7 or 8 wins max.

Of course not but what would you like to have happened? Stay in the old Big East, which is now the American Athletic? Or go Independent in football and join the Catholic 7 in what became the new Big East?

 

[Pitt79]

I hated the Big East football. AFTER Miami and BC and VTech left it was a garbage conference, subjected to legitimate complaints of terrible play.
As for basketball, assuming Syracuse left (which they would have because they aren’t stupid) then Pitt would have been a second tier player IMHO. Moreover, the Big East was fun WHEN its coaches mirrored the identity of the teams. Carneseca, Thompson, Rollie, Boeheim were all personalities no Hollywood writer could believably conjure up.
Only Boeheim remains and he is a shell of his former self.
I want to be entertained.

Yup, and the current teams "entertain" LOL

Like a said, I don't watch to see the blue blood opponent, pound Pitt, I'd rather be back in the day when Pitt did the pounding.

Of course they had to leave the BE, based on football and how that all played out, but it's not false to say, that the BE days where more fun and entertaining by far.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

I hated the Big East football. AFTER Miami and BC and VTech left it was a garbage conference, subjected to legitimate complaints of terrible play.
As for basketball, assuming Syracuse left (which they would have because they aren’t stupid) then Pitt would have been a second tier player IMHO. Moreover, the Big East was fun WHEN its coaches mirrored the identity of the teams. Carneseca, Thompson, Rollie, Boeheim were all personalities no Hollywood writer could believably conjure up.
Only Boeheim remains and he is a shell of his former self.
I want to be entertained.

And that's the only purpose for sports for us fans....entertainment. I like to be entertained as well. But we haven't been entertained by Pitt sports for a while in either football or basketball. A lot of apathy in the past 5 or 6 years. For good reason. People who want to be entertained also want winning and exciting teams to watch. Do we have that with Pitt? Does anyone get amped watching Pitt play WF or GT or NCState? Maybe there's a pulse when we play L'ville or 'Cuse or even VT. But not nearly as much as there was before. That's on Pitt and the quality of the product they are putting on the field and court.

 

[Pitt79]

And that's the only purpose for sports for us fans....entertainment. I like to be entertained as well. But we haven't been entertained by Pitt sports for a while in either football or basketball. A lot of apathy in the past 5 or 6 years. For good reason. People who want to be entertained also want winning and exciting teams to watch. Do we have that with Pitt? Does anyone get amped watching Pitt play WF or GT or NCState? Maybe there's a pulse when we play L'ville or 'Cuse or even VT. But not nearly as much as there was before. That's on Pitt and the quality of the product they are putting on the field and court.

Whatever the reason, the recruiting took a nosedive, we won 26 games the first year in the ACC, with players recruited for the BE. Pitt had multiple rivalry type games in the BE, where we where amped to watch. The biggest of all WVU was in conference, Pitt vs Gtown or UConn where always big games anticipated by all. Whatever the reason, Pitt got their MONEY from the ACC, but the quality of the teams and the quality of the entertainment went right down the toilet, the fun is gone, I don't know what can revive it.

 

[New York Panther]

Just two weeks ago ... we were pumped!! Staggering.

Seems to be part of being a Pitt fan for some on this board.

 

[Pitt79]

Seems to be part of being a Pitt fan for some on this board.

Things have changed the last 2 weeks, and there has been no REAL success for this program for like 6-7 years

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Playing quality basketball and winning solves everything. If we were losing to DePaul and Providence in the BE right now, then people would be just as pissed.

 

[Pitt79]

Playing quality basketball and winning solves everything. If we were losing to DePaul and Providence in the BE right now, then people would be just as pissed.

Maybe there was something to the NYC recruiting. Maybe we'd be stronger if in the BE.

 

[WannyandWalt]

Some dudes salivate at the mere chance, however slight, of doom and gloom.
They marry Debbie Downers and conceive born losers.

So, when is Capel going to turn this around ? WVU lost a whole team last year and he already has them back at top 25, just wondering, 5 years, 10?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

So, when is Capel going to turn this around ? WVU lost a whole team last year and he already has them back at top 25, just wondering, 5 years, 10?

Hypothetically, if Robert Morris joined the ACC and hired a semi-big name Coach like a Capel, even for RMU, my expectation would be contend for a bid by Year 3 and make the NCAAT by Year 4. I dont care who the program is and what was on the roster prior. Look at VT/Young. It shouldn't take long in college basketball. If you don't make the NCAAT by Year 4, chances are its not going to work out. There are only a few examples of P6 coaches not making the tournament the first 4 and THEN turning things around. Willard and Chambers did it but they bought players right around the time they would have been fired.

 

[levance2]

Does anybody here really enjoy Pitt basketball more now in the ACC, than they did in the BE days? Be honest, tell us how great it is seeing Duke and UNC, better thn dominating the BET and being a top dog and high NCAAT seed every year, right?

Everyone would love ACC basketball if we hadn't been mediocre to awful the entire time we've been in the conference. We've basically been worse than the 2012 CBI team in every season since Dixon left, so why should anyone enjoy that in any conference?

I guess if you took the galaxy-brain perspective on the situation, you could argue that if we had been stuck in the American like Cincinnati, we wouldn't even have been attractive enough to hire Stallings, so maybe that would've worked out better.

 

[levance2]

Capel is not going to win here , we can wait a year or two but we are just prolonging the misery , not a good match at all

I don't think those are mutually exclusive. Capel will never be as bad as Stallings, and we can't afford to be quick on the trigger with two coaches in a row. It will need to become beyond obvious that Capel is toast before Pitt can do anything about it.

Maybe Capel will pull an Ed DeChellis and leave for some lower-tier Carolina school if it becomes obvious that his Pitt contract won't be renewed.

 

[Saboteur II]

Yup, and the current teams "entertain" LOL

Like a said, I don't watch to see the blue blood opponent, pound Pitt, I'd rather be back in the day when Pitt did the pounding.

Of course they had to leave the BE, based on football and how that all played out, but it's not false to say, that the BE days where more fun and entertaining by far.

Yup, and the current teams "entertain" LOL

Like a said, I don't watch to see the blue blood opponent, pound Pitt, I'd rather be back in the day when Pitt did the pounding.

Of course they had to leave the BE, based on football and how that all played out, but it's not false to say, that the BE days where more fun and entertaining by far.

I suppose it all depends on your perspective. If you want constant victory and that is what it takes to entertain you then look about 180 miles west.
If the BE entertains you and stellar performance is your desire head to the Blue Route and make a left onto Lancaster pike.
If you want to take the good with the bad in the Big East, then follow Villanova football or follow UCONN football.
But if league quality means anything and BE football was your bag, there’s nothing I can do to help.

 

[Pitt79]

I suppose it all depends on your perspective. If you want constant victory and that is what it takes to entertain you then look about 180 miles west.
If the BE entertains you and stellar performance is your desire head to the Blue Route and make a left onto Lancaster pike.
If you want to take the good with the bad in the Big East, then follow Villanova football or follow UCONN football.
But if league quality means anything and BE football was your bag, there’s nothing I can do to help.

I don't care about the "quality" of the league Pitt is in NOT EVEN A LITTLE, I'd prefer being a serious contender annually in a mediocre league, over getting excited to see blue bloods visit to pound our asses. I'd like a 10 win season more than once over 40 years, no matter who the wins where against. Games are nothing but stand alone, entertainment TV SHOWS, winning more often makes for a better show. Then again Pitt would probably go 6-6 in the AAC or C-USA anyways.

 

[TWPitt]

They lost to a terrible Wake team, never were “in the game” against UNC, and got blown out with multiple technicals against a bad ND team. This isn’t knee jerk. It’s 3 years of trends.

If you choose to ignore the sweep of Syracuse, beating Duke and now beating VT, then I would agree that it is a bad trend. I choose to look at the upward overall trend of the program versus focusing on speed bumps. This will be our third straight year with more ACC wins.

I know you like to focus on 2021 recruiting and I would counter with we only have 1 spot to fill with a coach who has consistently had surprise reclassification each of his 3 classes. With recruiting being virtual it is even harder to get a read of who we are in on.

Glass half empty or glass half full? I choose the latter.

 

[pierre93]

If you choose to ignore the sweep of Syracuse, beating Duke and now beating VT, then I would agree that it is a bad trend. I choose to look at the upward overall trend of the program versus focusing on speed bumps. This will be our third straight year with more ACC wins.

I know you like to focus on 2021 recruiting and I would counter with we only have 1 spot to fill with a coach who has consistently had surprise reclassification each of his 3 classes. With recruiting being virtual it is even harder to get a read of who we are in on.

Glass half empty or glass half full? I choose the latter.

Good take H2P!

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

If you choose to ignore the sweep of Syracuse, beating Duke and now beating VT, then I would agree that it is a bad trend. I choose to look at the upward overall trend of the program versus focusing on speed bumps. This will be our third straight year with more ACC wins.

I know you like to focus on 2021 recruiting and I would counter with we only have 1 spot to fill with a coach who has consistently had surprise reclassification each of his 3 classes. With recruiting being virtual it is even harder to get a read of who we are in on.

Glass half empty or glass half full? I choose the latter.

They have at least 3 spots to fill and up to 5, but that’s fair.

 

[TWPitt]

They have at least 3 spots to fill and up to 5, but that’s fair.

I am concerned about our C recruiting.

 

[DT_PITT]

Of course not but what would you like to have happened? Stay in the old Big East, which is now the American Athletic? Or go Independent in football and join the Catholic 7 in what became the new Big East?

I loved Big East basketball so much. But the move HAD to be made.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I loved Big East basketball so much. But the move HAD to be made.

And really, I liked Big East football without Miami and VT. I argue with people on the football board about this but I think that league was better than our current ACC (besides Clemson) and CERTAINLY better than the Coastal.

If you told me back then, we can keep that basketball league forever and the rest of the leagues will stay stable forever (no more raiding), I think I would prefer to have stayed in the old Big East but that wasn't an option of course.

 

[Pitt79]

And really, I liked Big East football without Miami and VT. I argue with people on the football board about this but I think that league was better than our current ACC (besides Clemson) and CERTAINLY better than the Coastal.

If you told me back then, we can keep that basketball league forever and the rest of the leagues will stay stable forever (no more raiding), I think I would prefer to have stayed in the old Big East but that wasn't an option of course.

I remember when BE football was formed, looking at the other teams and having come out of the 70s-80s, I thought Pitt would be one of the dominant football teams in the BE, then they only win 2 co-championships in 20 years! LOL. But still, I enjoyed the BE days way more than the current situation, at least we had times as a national basketball power, now we are no better than mediocre in either sport. I don't care about the "quality" of the league, I just watch for TV entertainment, I'd rather be 10-2 in a mediocre league, rather than 6-6 in the SEC. More fun watching wins. I'd rather watch a win over Temple, than a loss to Bama.

 

[TWPitt]

They have at least 3 spots to fill and up to 5, but that’s fair.

Sorry I got confused -- yeah 2 spots for Nike/Terrell and 1 for Hugley. who are you thinking the other 2 are? Champ and a Transfer?

I really don't think Champ will go after this year. I think unless you are guaranteed first rounder or sick of college there is little incentive to go. I think he may be more ready after Junior year but who knows, depends what the NBA folks tell him after this season is over. To me he is not as good as someone like Nwora or Diakite who both were second rounders and in the G-League now. He would have to get drafted by a team really in need of talent, figure he fills a role similar to that of Vince Carter (now) and teams are still keeping him on roster past 40, same with Melo.

There are only 384 jobs in the NBA. Not sure he is one of the top 384 players in the country right now Pro or amateur but 19/20, maybe he wants to hoop and make money.

 

[Dointhatrag]

Playing teams like uconn, USF, rutgers, and temple in football was a garbage conference schedule once Miami, Va Tech left.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Playing teams like uconn, USF, rutgers, and temple in football was a garbage conference schedule once Miami, Va Tech left.

Nope. USF and Rutgers were pretty good. Both had Top 5 teams deep into the season which is crazy. Same with Cincy, WVU, and Lou. UConn was decent. Only Syracuse sucked. It was way better than the Coastal.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Sorry I got confused -- yeah 2 spots for Nike/Terrell and 1 for Hugley. who are you thinking the other 2 are? Champ and a Transfer?

I really don't think Champ will go after this year. I think unless you are guaranteed first rounder or sick of college there is little incentive to go. I think he may be more ready after Junior year but who knows, depends what the NBA folks tell him after this season is over. To me he is not as good as someone like Nwora or Diakite who both were second rounders and in the G-League now. He would have to get drafted by a team really in need of talent, figure he fills a role similar to that of Vince Carter (now) and teams are still keeping him on roster past 40, same with Melo.

There are only 384 jobs in the NBA. Not sure he is one of the top 384 players in the country right now Pro or amateur but 19/20, maybe he wants to hoop and make money.

Champ is gone. Drumgoole is most likely gone.
You guys can rationalize all you want but Champ has to go pro and I don’t see any way he comes back

 

[DT_PITT]

I think unless you are guaranteed first rounder or sick of college there is little incentive to go.

This is where I have to disagree. I don't know what the incentive is to stay. If Champ is a draft pick, he's going to a make plenty of money, either in the NBA or somewhere else.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

This is where I have to disagree. I don't know what the incentive is to stay. If Champ is a draft pick, he's going to a make plenty of money, either in the NBA or somewhere else.

Yep. And his scholarship is guaranteed. So he can come back 10 years from now or whenever and finish for free. There’s literally no incentive for him to stay.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

And really, I liked Big East football without Miami and VT. I argue with people on the football board about this but I think that league was better than our current ACC (besides Clemson) and CERTAINLY better than the Coastal.

And if you say it another 1000 times you might even be able to convince yourself.

Although given how little you know about college football, I suppose it is possible that you might actually believe something that dumb.

 

[Pitt79]

Nope. USF and Rutgers were pretty good. Both had Top 5 teams deep into the season which is crazy. Same with Cincy, WVU, and Lou. UConn was decent. Only Syracuse sucked. It was way better than the Coastal.

And you see how they where giving them P5 type credit, when BE was considered a P5 level league. It's funny as hell, if USF was 10-0 today, they'd probably be ranked #20.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

if USF was 10-0 today, they'd probably be ranked #20.

I'm not sure why you would think that. Cincinnati plays in the same league as USF and Cincinnati went 9-1 this year and finished in the top 10. When they were 9-0 at the end of the regular season they were ranked 6th in both polls. What would make you think that 9-0 Cincinnati is a top 10 team but that 10-0 USF wouldn't even be close?

 

[TWPitt]

This is where I have to disagree. I don't know what the incentive is to stay. If Champ is a draft pick, he's going to a make plenty of money, either in the NBA or somewhere else.

I guess that is my point in this is I don't really believe that Champ is #36 on many NBA Teams draft boards. In Mock Drafts last year - Nwora was supposed to be a first rounder last year, Carey was supposed to be a lottery pick -- hell X was supposed to 42 after his freshman year. The ESPN Mock draft board is one person's opinion. I don't think Champ will be drafted.

If he is guaranteed to be drafted then I agree he has to go, that is where I disagree with this is that he is draftable after this year.

 

[Dointhatrag]

Cincinnati was undefeated most of the season but no one cared. They may have been ranked in the top ten but really never had a legitimate shot at the CFP. The last iteration of the Big East we were in was very similar. It was a tier 2 conference that yielded little national interest in games.

I'm not sure why you would think that. Cincinnati plays in the same league as USF and Cincinnati went 9-1 this year and finished in the top 10. When they were 9-0 at the end of the regular season they were ranked 6th in both polls. What would make you think that 9-0 Cincinnati is a top 10 team but that 10-0 USF wouldn't even be close?

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I guess that is my point in this is I don't really believe that Champ is #36 on many NBA Teams draft boards. In Mock Drafts last year - Nwora was supposed to be a first rounder last year, Carey was supposed to be a lottery pick -- hell X was supposed to 42 after his freshman year. The ESPN Mock draft board is one person's opinion. I don't think Champ will be drafted.

If he is guaranteed to be drafted then I agree he has to go, that is where I disagree with this is that he is draftable after this year.

Every year he stays in college he’s less draftable. Because he is only 19 and younger than a lot of freshmen, his upside is huge for NBA teams right now. He’s not gonna suddenly be an off the dribble type guy with XJ back next year. He’s gonna do the same exact things and be a year older. This is his NBA shot. If he doesn’t take it with the two knee injuries he’s had, he’s crazy.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

And if you say it another 1000 times you might even be able to convince yourself.

Although given how little you know about college football, I suppose it is possible that you might actually believe something that dumb.

OK, so you think that WVU/RichRod, Lou/Petrino, Pitt/Wanny, Cincy/Kelly, Rut/Schiano, USF/Leavitt, UConn/Edsall was a worse league than the ACC Coastal? That's nutty.

 

[TWPitt]

Every year he stays in college he’s less draftable. Because he is only 19 and younger than a lot of freshmen, his upside is huge for NBA teams right now. He’s not gonna suddenly be an off the dribble type guy with XJ back next year. He’s gonna do the same exact things and be a year older. This is his NBA shot. If he doesn’t take it with the two knee injuries he’s had, he’s crazy.

I don't disagree IF he is guaranteed to be drafted go, but I just don't see him getting drafted. We can agree to disagree on this.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I don't disagree IF he is guaranteed to be drafted go, but I just don't see him getting drafted. We can agree to disagree on this.

If a 19 year old kid (will turn 20 right around the Draft) leads the ACC in scoring and rebounding, he will get drafted by default. Dont know how high. Cant see him going in the 1st Round due to lack of guard skills but no way a kid with those stats goes undrafted.

He certainly will declare and he should. Whether he stays in is another story. Should he/will he be satisfied with a mid to late 2nd Round grade?

 

[Chescat]

And if you say it another 1000 times you might even be able to convince yourself.

Although given how little you know about college football, I suppose it is possible that you might actually believe something that dumb.

SMF often get's ripped in many ways
on here, but this one is high on the
list of insults and made me laugh.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

SMF often get's ripped in many ways
on here, but this one is high on the
list of insults and made me laugh.

Exept I'm right. I'd love for someone to debate on Big East vs Coastal. The Coastal is trash. Rich Rod and Petrino wouldn't have broken a sweat in that league. Heck, neither would Wanny's teams.