Dabo Swinney - Class Act

[upj87]

Saw his post game press conference. He gave Pitt all the credit in the world. Did not whine about the officiating when he had a couple beefs and made no excuses...Talked in an unbelievable upbeat manner. Completely different than when Rich Rod was in a similar predicament.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

Saw his post game press conference. He gave Pitt all the credit in the world. Did not whine when he about the officiating when he had a couple beefs and made no excuses...Talked in an unbelievable upbeat manner. Completely different than when Rich Rod was in a similar predicament.

If you all remember, he was one of the first ACC coaches (if not THE first) to contact James Conner when James revealed his diagnosis. He's definitely a class act....

 

[CJsE]

Credit for being classy in this instance, but I still don't respect the guy. I have not been able to like him after hearing him state that he'd quit coaching if the NCAA ever allowed players to receive salaries/endorsement deals because the players are too entitled. This coming form the guy making millions in salary, plus benefits, plus outside endorsement deals, while using profits to build extravagant facilities with a mini golf course, beach volleyball pit, cinema, etc. But paying players any form of salary is where he draws the line as outrageous.

 

[upj87]

Credit for being classy in this instance, but I still don't respect the guy. I have not been able to like him after hearing him state that he'd quit coaching if the NCAA ever allowed players to receive salaries/endorsement deals because the players are too entitled. This coming form the guy making millions in salary, plus benefits, plus outside endorsement deals, while using profits to build extravagant facilities with a mini golf course, beach volleyball pit, cinema, etc. But paying players any form of salary is where he draws the line as outrageous.

140 grand for an education not enough? These kids, like Swinney are free to pursue millions coaching when they are no longer players..

 

[CJsE]

140 grand for an education not enough? These kids, like Swinney are free to pursue millions coaching when they are no longer players..

It's not $140,000 for an education. It's 4 1-year scholarships that have no guarantee for future scholarships if you get injured or upset your coach. There is no health insurance (players are required to have insurance, but the school is not required to cover it), no disability, no workers compensation, etc. They have less protection and more requirements than labor laws allow for actual employees. But that's a different argument.

My argument is that a guy that is in a position where compensation increase with success and exploding television rights claims that he will take his ball and go home if players receive the same consideration.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Saw his post game press conference. He gave Pitt all the credit in the world. Did not whine when he about the officiating when he had a couple beefs and made no excuses...Talked in an unbelievable upbeat manner. Completely different than when Rich Rod was in a similar predicament.

The BAMA BOYS know how to act in WINNING and Losing, Bear Bryant taught all of them from Sherrill to Swinney to name just a few, no off the record whining like Joe did behind the backs, but it came to his own legacy ruined more than any other coach in History by one of his former Players and fellow coaches bringing him down and exposing the Program.!

 

[topdecktiger]

Saw his post game press conference. He gave Pitt all the credit in the world. Did not whine when he about the officiating when he had a couple beefs and made no excuses...Talked in an unbelievable upbeat manner. Completely different than when Rich Rod was in a similar predicament.

He doesn't need to blame the referees if he wants to blame somebody. There are plenty of people in his own locker room for that, himself among them.

 

[mehinpgh]

It's not $140,000 for an education. It's 4 1-year scholarships that have no guarantee for future scholarships if you get injured or upset your coach. There is no health insurance (players are required to have insurance, but the school is not required to cover it), no disability, no workers compensation, etc. They have less protection and more requirements than labor laws allow for actual employees. But that's a different argument.

My argument is that a guy that is in a position where compensation increase with success and exploding television rights claims that he will take his ball and go home if players receive the same consideration.

You're crazy! These kids get benefits that well exceed $140k. Between the best meals, apparel, room and board, monthly stipend, etc, these guys are very well taken care of. Consider this their residency, like a doctor. The difference is, when they are done with the residency, they do not have $300k in student loans to pay off. I am not crazy about the greed in higher education, but it is what it is, but I don't think the players deserve much more than they are already getting.

 

[CJsE]

You're crazy! These kids get benefits that well exceed $140k. Between the best meals, apparel, room and board, monthly stipend, etc, these guys are very well taken care of. Consider this their residency, like a doctor. The difference is, when they are done with the residency, they do not have $300k in student loans to pay off. I am not crazy about the greed in higher education, but it is what it is, but I don't think the players deserve much more than they are already getting.

If the players were being fairly compensated or over compensated, schools would be pushing for them to receive salaries and pay for their education expenses. The fact that they aren't, and actively fighting against it, shows that they are not receiving their market value. Schools wouldn't fight to make less money.

 

[Franb]

You're crazy! These kids get benefits that well exceed $140k. Between the best meals, apparel, room and board, monthly stipend, etc, these guys are very well taken care of. Consider this their residency, like a doctor. The difference is, when they are done with the residency, they do not have $300k in student loans to pay off. I am not crazy about the greed in higher education, but it is what it is, but I don't think the players deserve much more than they are already getting.

So you are saying that coaches should be able to make millions per year, and be able to change jobs whenever they want, but the players deserve no compensation and are penalized if they want to change schools.

And the doctor analogy is flawed. Doctors who complete their residencies move right into professional careers. Most players will never get paid for playing football.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Saw his post game press conference. He gave Pitt all the credit in the world. Did not whine when he about the officiating when he had a couple beefs and made no excuses...Talked in an unbelievable upbeat manner. Completely different than when Rich Rod was in a similar predicament.

Coaches who whine about officiating are embarrassing.
Including ours.

 

[PittPoker]

Coaches who whine about officiating are embarrassing.
Including ours.

Wow that's harsh coming after a monumental and shocking upset lol.

 

[razzaba]

If the players were being fairly compensated or over compensated, schools would be pushing for them to receive salaries and pay for their education expenses. The fact that they aren't, and actively fighting against it, shows that they are not receiving their market value. Schools wouldn't fight to make less money.

The beauty of it is, it is market value. Market forces are in effect. Otherwise you wouldn't have bodies lining up to play and offer their services in exchange for the compensation offered.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

The players are the game and the attraction . No one goes to watch the coach coach . Granted the coach is responsible for the product , but you go to see the players make plays . The coaches are compensated beyond belief while the kids get a college education , is that a fair deal ? In FB what choice does a player have other than to go and play in college if their pursuing a pro career ?
Depending upon the student athlete the value of that education varies . It's pretty valuable if your actually interested in gaining a college degree , if your their to play ball which a lot of kids are your a poorly compensated employee . I think this wouldn't be such an issue if hc was compensated like an ordinary college professor , but being the highest paid employees ( by a mile ) at their universities opens up this question .
Especially in a sport like FB were players are subjecting their bodies to a lifetime of potential issues some compensation beyond what's currently offered wouldn't be unfair .

 

[upj87]

If the players were being fairly compensated or over compensated, schools would be pushing for them to receive salaries and pay for their education expenses. The fact that they aren't, and actively fighting against it, shows that they are not receiving their market value. Schools wouldn't fight to make less money.

make you a deal....give the players access to scholarships and pay and endorsements if they qualify academically when compared to the overall student population.. If not they are not permitted to matriculate.. deal? we are talking fairness here are we not?

 

[Fsgolfdr]

make you a deal....give the players access to scholarships and pay and endorsements if they qualify academically when compared to the overall student population.. If not they are not permitted to matriculate.. deal? we are talking fairness here are we not?

Why make the players not interested in an education even go to class ?

 

[Chaos]

Why make the players not interested in an education even go to class ?

Because they are representing institutions of higher learning, not playing professional sports. They know the deal-if they don't like it, they can try to play semi-pro ball and class won't be an interference for them.

 

[VAPITTALUM]

So, back on topic. I believe Clemson still has a very good shot at the playoffs. If they win their remaining games, plus the ACC CG, they are in. not to say this played a part in his psyche going into the press conference, but their season is far from over.

 

[Motor_Street]

Saw his post game press conference. He gave Pitt all the credit in the world. Did not whine about the officiating when he had a couple beefs and made no excuses...Talked in an unbelievable upbeat manner. Completely different than when Rich Rod was in a similar predicament.

Agree 87. He didn't even mention the refs and he definitely had a beef about that defensive holding call. Very classy.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Because they are representing institutions of higher learning, not playing professional sports. They know the deal-if they don't like it, they can try to play semi-pro ball and class won't be an interference for them.

P5 FB and BB are big businesses generating millions of dollars and they use kids for the most part that could never gain admission to these universities on academic merit . I'm sure there's some good intentions to help educate the athletes , but at most of these schools their only academic responsibility is to keep them eligible so they can continue to play their sport . It is what it is .
Name me a current NFL player who didn't go to college?

 

[revampedpanthers]

The players are the game and the attraction . No one goes to watch the coach coach . Granted the coach is responsible for the product , but you go to see the players make plays . The coaches are compensated beyond belief while the kids get a college education , is that a fair deal ? In FB what choice does a player have other than to go and play in college if their pursuing a pro career ?
Depending upon the student athlete the value of that education varies . It's pretty valuable if your actually interested in gaining a college degree , if your their to play ball which a lot of kids are your a poorly compensated employee . I think this wouldn't be such an issue if hc was compensated like an ordinary college professor , but being the highest paid employees ( by a mile ) at their universities opens up this question .
Especially in a sport like FB were players are subjecting their bodies to a lifetime of potential issues some compensation beyond what's currently offered wouldn't be unfair .

I have always claimed that the NFL should have a minor league system similar to MLB. Wouldn' t have to be nearly as extensive and wouldn't have to be like the MLB where the players go to a specific team but a 16 to 20 team minor leagues were the players make 100k a year could work. Similar the XFL or arena league only limit players to 25 or less.

 

[Chaos]

P5 FB and BB are big businesses generating millions of dollars and they use kids for the most part that could never gain admission to these universities on academic merit . I'm sure there's some good intentions to help educate the athletes , but at most of these schools their only academic responsibility is to keep them eligible so they can continue to play their sport . It is what it is .
Name me a current NFL player who didn't go to college?

You kind of made my point with your point. The best route for them to go pro is to go to college, and they know the deal when they accept the scholarship. It is still an institution of higher education, and attending, even on an athletic scholarship, has expectations. They are getting a free education, free room and board, free apparel, etc. They don't need a salary on top of that. I think they need to curb the spending by the schools on coaching staffs, rather than expand payments by paying players. There should be salary caps and revenue sharing, not payments of salaries to players.

 

[88Pitt88]

Love Dabo! Good guy, great recruiter, and coach of a great program. I pulled hard for them to take out Bama last year and it was really close. Hope he gets another shot, although Bama looks to be even better this season.

 

[SHillTIger]

Credit for being classy in this instance, but I still don't respect the guy. I have not been able to like him after hearing him state that he'd quit coaching if the NCAA ever allowed players to receive salaries/endorsement deals because the players are too entitled. This coming form the guy making millions in salary, plus benefits, plus outside endorsement deals, while using profits to build extravagant facilities with a mini golf course, beach volleyball pit, cinema, etc. But paying players any form of salary is where he draws the line as outrageous.

You should consider that he knows as well as any what these kids get. He was HOMELESS when he walked on at Bama. Worked after practice to pay for school. He paid his dues more than most so he can voice his opinion. He also made 25k a year in his first coaching job. He worked for what he has.

 

[Tigertrain1]

Dabo had to walk on and earn a scholarship to Alabama at a time when his mother was basically homeless. Anybody that comes from that background, fights to get a scholarship appreciates it's value. He just donated 1 million dollars to Clemson. He also agreed to take less salary and put the money towards his assistants

 

[dmaccallum]

Credit for being classy in this instance, but I still don't respect the guy. I have not been able to like him after hearing him state that he'd quit coaching if the NCAA ever allowed players to receive salaries/endorsement deals because the players are too entitled. This coming form the guy making millions in salary, plus benefits, plus outside endorsement deals, while using profits to build extravagant facilities with a mini golf course, beach volleyball pit, cinema, etc. But paying players any form of salary is where he draws the line as outrageous.

Nuts!

 

[Panther Parrothead]

Not intending to be dramatic, but if the situation remains as it is now, and schools start paying their athletes, I predict that many schools would have to give-up D-1 football. And one of those schools could be Pitt.

 

[mehinpgh]

So you are saying that coaches should be able to make millions per year, and be able to change jobs whenever they want, but the players deserve no compensation and are penalized if they want to change schools.

And the doctor analogy is flawed. Doctors who complete their residencies move right into professional careers. Most players will never get paid for playing football.

And I think your basis for thought is flawed also. Many of these kids don't get into Pitt, much less higher ranked schools academically with a 2.8 gpa (for example). Also, many of the kids that don't go pro still have varsity letterman on an ACC football squad on their resume and go on to amazing careers at places like Stryker that target varsity athletes as new hires specifically. It is a parasitic relationship, but if they play your cards right, everyone wins--the student, the school, and the NCAA.

 

[TD_6082]

I love Dabo Swinney. He's a class act. He can't coach for shit, be he's a great guy, a great representative for his program, and a helluva recruiter.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Credit for being classy in this instance, but I still don't respect the guy. I have not been able to like him after hearing him state that he'd quit coaching if the NCAA ever allowed players to receive salaries/endorsement deals because the players are too entitled. This coming form the guy making millions in salary, plus benefits, plus outside endorsement deals, while using profits to build extravagant facilities with a mini golf course, beach volleyball pit, cinema, etc. But paying players any form of salary is where he draws the line as outrageous.

Student athlete players shouldn't be paid they're student athletes not employees of the U.
Hopefully they're getting an education. they have the opportunity to play for a U football program and if they're good enough a chance to play in the NFL. The U is taking all the risk and investment running a D1 football program and giving each one of the student athletes a chance to earn a living doing what they love.
In fact they do receive compensation in the form of a free college education!
In some professions you have to pay to be in a situation like this as you try out for a job at the next level!
Dabo Sweeney is on the money!

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Wow that's harsh coming after a monumental and shocking upset lol.

I tend to make consistent statements, rather than being emotionally reactive.

 

[SHillTIger]

Student athlete players shouldn't be paid they're student athletes not employees of the U.
Hopefully they're getting an education. they have the opportunity to play for a U football program and if they're good enough a chance to play in the NFL. The U is taking all the risk and investment running a D1 football program and giving each one of the student athletes a chance to earn a living doing what they love.
In fact they do receive compensation in the form of a free college education!
In some professions you have to pay to be in a situation like this as you try out for a job at the next level!
Dabo Sweeney is on the money!

Include free tutoring, free healthcare, free personal training and dietitian along with exposure and tons of free gear and the amount the scholly is worth goes up even more.

 

[CJsE]

Include free tutoring, free healthcare, free personal training and dietitian along with exposure and tons of free gear and the amount the scholly is worth goes up even more.

The free health care is determined by each institution, not required by the NCAA. Even when the schools do cover it, there is often a deductible that must be paid by the student or family. Claiming that free tutoring is a student benefit is like saying that on-the-job training from your employer is a benefit. You are getting that so that you can be productive for your employer.

The facts are that the complete monetary compensation for all men's athletes at a Power 5 university averages around $7-7.5 million per year. This includes scholarships, food, clothing, tutoring, training, monthly stipends, etc. This does not include coaches salaries, which are higher than the total compensation paid to the players. Average Revenue generated by men's sports at power 5 schools is more than $100 million per year.