Did Twyman help or hurt himself?

[Las Panteras]

I realize mock drafts are all over the board, but earlier mocks from last year had Twyman going in the first.

Latest ESPN 3 round draft and Twyman is not picked. The only Panther who was picked is P. Jones in the 3rd. I would also ask did P. Ford hurt himself?

I dont follow this NFL evaluation stuff and again, mock drafts differ.

But the first round names pretty much are set.

Any thoughts?

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

I don't think Twyman hurt himself much. His issue is size and holding up against the run.

I think Ford most certainly hurt himself, several rounds. He should have finished last season and considered coming back. He needs to add another 10-15 pounds of muscle and learn a lot. As it sits, he hasn't improved his body, he hasn't improved his game, and he quit mid year in a situation that looks bad for him. He's a multi-year project for anyone drafting him.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

It will depend on his workouts. If he puts up good combine numbers, then I’d say 2nd round pick.

 

[HopeandChangeforAntoons]

Paris hurt himself by playing in that ND game more than sitting the rest of the year.

 

[Burgh15]

I'm going to guess Twyman hurt himself because I think other guys who played this year passed him up. I personally hope that's the case because I'd love for the Steelers to pick him up in the third round. He seems to bring a lot of the same skills to the table that Hargrave had.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Yes Twyman hurt himself. Unless he has a fantastic pro day.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Have to think that he hurt himself. IMO, in the age of COVID, coaches and executives want as much tape as possible. With a disproportionate amount for each player, whether it be due to opt-outs, delayed seasons, canceled events, etc. they may hesitate to select a player that may not have proven themselves recently. As Steeler fans, we say what a missed scouting combine did for Kevin Dotson’s draft stock. Heck, I’d even be hesitant to select NDSU’s Trey Lance since he only played one game in 2020.

Unless he blows them away at the Pro Day, I do think there’s a chance that he slides, as may other players in his situation. I hope I’m wrong, though.

 

[wbrpanther]

I realize mock drafts are all over the board, but earlier mocks from last year had Twyman going in the first.

Latest ESPN 3 round draft and Twyman is not picked. The only Panther who was picked is P. Jones in the 3rd. I would also ask did P. Ford hurt himself?

I dont follow this NFL evaluation stuff and again, mock drafts differ.

But the first round names pretty much are set.

Any thoughts?

I predicted when he opted out that it would cost him money, maybe a great deal of money. By not playing he will be 16 months removed from his last action when the draft rolls around in April. I thought he would be a top 50 player with another year on the field. I guess we will find out when the draft rolls around.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

I guarantee his stock is pretty high with certain teams and lower on others. It all depends on the type of team and how they use their DL. The same was the case with AD. The 4-3 attacking 1 gap teams had a much higher value than the 3-4 2 gap teams.

 

[cashisking884]

No. His frame is what it is.

 

[pittguy81]

I realize mock drafts are all over the board, but earlier mocks from last year had Twyman going in the first.

Latest ESPN 3 round draft and Twyman is not picked. The only Panther who was picked is P. Jones in the 3rd. I would also ask did P. Ford hurt himself?

I dont follow this NFL evaluation stuff and again, mock drafts differ.

But the first round names pretty much are set.

Any thoughts?

He kept himself from being injured during a weird season so that's a plus. He has tape and although he might cost himself from first contract standpoint....he's still going to be drafted, make some serious $ and be able to play for his second contract.

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

I realize mock drafts are all over the board, but earlier mocks from last year had Twyman going in the first.

Latest ESPN 3 round draft and Twyman is not picked. The only Panther who was picked is P. Jones in the 3rd. I would also ask did P. Ford hurt himself?

I dont follow this NFL evaluation stuff and again, mock drafts differ.

But the first round names pretty much are set.

Any thoughts?

He absolutely killed himself. Out of sight, out of mind to most. I think he cost himself one to two rounds. Twyman had a great Sophomore year, but had to build on that and he chose not too. There are those that say he is too small and they will hold that against him.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

He absolutely killed himself. Out of sight, out of mind to most. I think he cost himself one to two rounds. Twyman had a great Sophomore year, but had to build on that and he chose not too. There are those that say he is too small and they will hold that against him.

Now he will have to prove himself as a pro and shoot for that second contract.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Paris hurt himself by playing in that ND game more than sitting the rest of the year.

I think he hurt himself by coming back.

 

[Saboteur II]

I don't think Twyman hurt himself much. His issue is size and holding up against the run.

I think Ford most certainly hurt himself, several rounds. He should have finished last season and considered coming back. He needs to add another 10-15 pounds of muscle and learn a lot. As it sits, he hasn't improved his body, he hasn't improved his game, and he quit mid year in a situation that looks bad for him. He's a multi-year project for anyone drafting him.

I realize I am in the minority here, but I don’t see Ford getting drafted. I see him as a Free Agent. That’s actually a good thing.

The NFL is about assignments and consistency, neither of which Ford has excelled at thus far. The NFL is filled with great athletes but very few are great enough to overcome youthful immaturity. The frontal lobe in men develops at the average age of 25. Some higher, some lower.

Fords behavior is a classic example of a man who has impulse control issues and ignores consequences.

The draft has so few rounds now those picks are not wasted on “projects”. It would be better for him to find a place rather than a place finding him.

I just don’t see any team using a precious draft pick on him based on a non NFL body, bad off the field decisions and leaving his team.

 

[Upg bobcat]

He absolutely killed himself. Out of sight, out of mind to most. I think he cost himself one to two rounds. Twyman had a great Sophomore year, but had to build on that and he chose not too. There are those that say he is too small and they will hold that against him.

If he was too small as a sophomore, I don't think there is much he could do to show that he suddenly was not too small as a junior (unless he gained a lot of weight, which I'm not sure that would be a great move for him). Someone above said Ford made a mistake by coming back and playing in the ND game ... Twyman may have looked at our schedule and saw that we had to play both ND and Clemson. There's a chance he could have struggled against those two opponents, which may have hurt his stock.

Also the whole "out of sight out of mind" idea probably applies to us college football fans and the media -- but I doubt it applies to NFL scouts. It's their job to find guys who can play and I'm sure they kept a list of all the players who opted out of the season that they nonetheless need to keep on their radars/big boards.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

I realize I am in the minority here, but I don’t see Ford getting drafted. I see him as a Free Agent. That’s actually a good thing.

The NFL is about assignments and consistency, neither of which Ford has excelled at thus far. The NFL is filled with great athletes but very few are great enough to overcome youthful immaturity. The frontal lobe in men develops at the average age of 25. Some higher, some lower.

Fords behavior is a classic example of a man who has impulse control issues and ignores consequences.

The draft has so few rounds now those picks are not wasted on “projects”. It would be better for him to find a place rather than a place finding him.

I just don’t see any team using a precious draft pick on him based on a non NFL body, bad off the field decisions and leaving his team.

It's possible, but his splash plays will get him drafted. I think he's a 4th-5th round guy.

For those that think he hurt himself and should have left last year, I doubt the draft grade was much better. If it was, he would have left.

 

[Rezzo]

If he was too small as a sophomore, I don't think there is much he could do to show that he suddenly was not too small as a junior (unless he gained a lot of weight, which I'm not sure that would be a great move for him). Someone above said Ford made a mistake by coming back and playing in the ND game ... Twyman may have looked at our schedule and saw that we had to play both ND and Clemson. There's a chance he could have struggled against those two opponents, which may have hurt his stock.

Also the whole "out of sight out of mind" idea probably applies to us college football fans and the media -- but I doubt it applies to NFL scouts. It's their job to find guys who can play and I'm sure they kept a list of all the players who opted out of the season that they nonetheless need to keep on their radars/big boards.

I think Twyman absolutely hurt himself. He needed another year for sure. I don’t think Ford will be drafted or be in the NFL! He proved nothing to me.

 

[Upg bobcat]

I think Twyman absolutely hurt himself. He needed another year for sure. I don’t think Ford will be drafted or be in the NFL! He proved nothing to me.

But what happens if his performance suffered? How could that have helped his stock? Looking at our schedule, we had to play ND, Clemson, plus BC who had several pro prospects on their O-line. Sure, putting up good film against opposing players of that caliber would have been impressive. On the flip side, there's also a chance he would have struggled against those teams. I don't recall how Twyman individually performed against BC in 2019, but I do remember BC rushing for a lot of yards against us -- I looked it up and they had 264 total rushing yards, AJ Dillon went for 178.

 

[Usuallyunusual-partdeux]

If he was too small as a sophomore, I don't think there is much he could do to show that he suddenly was not too small as a junior (unless he gained a lot of weight, which I'm not sure that would be a great move for him). Someone above said Ford made a mistake by coming back and playing in the ND game ... Twyman may have looked at our schedule and saw that we had to play both ND and Clemson. There's a chance he could have struggled against those two opponents, which may have hurt his stock.

Also the whole "out of sight out of mind" idea probably applies to us college football fans and the media -- but I doubt it applies to NFL scouts. It's their job to find guys who can play and I'm sure they kept a list of all the players who opted out of the season that they nonetheless need to keep on their radars/big boards.

I would have loved to see him against BC ND and Clemson's O Lines this year.

 

[Rezzo]

But what happens if his performance suffered? How could that have helped his stock? Looking at our schedule, we had to play ND, Clemson, plus BC who had several pro prospects on their O-line. Sure, putting up good film against opposing players of that caliber would have been impressive. On the flip side, there's also a chance he would have struggled against those teams. I don't recall how Twyman individually performed against BC in 2019, but I do remember BC rushing for a lot of yards against us -- I looked it up and they had 264 total rushing yards, AJ Dillon went for 178.

Well he had to prove himself. Not hide!!!!

 

[Upg bobcat]

Well he had to prove himself. Not hide!!!!

Did he though? He proved himself last year. There's a chance he could have got hurt and limped through the season. Or worse, he could have got hurt by suffering an injury with lasting effects that would have negatively affected his ability at the next level. And it's important to have a good 1st four seasons at the next level, because that contract after the 1st 4 years can be huge.

Someone I think asks the question above -- did Paris Ford help his draft status by coming back? I don't think so. I don't necessarily think he hurt it either, but it's not like his draft stock looks a lot better than if he had sat out. I imagine that was the most likely scenario for Twyman. He probably would have performed about the same. Minimal possible reward, but some relatively serious risks.

 

[doubleAA's]

He didn’t play all year. That hurts you unless you have a huge hype machine. I’m guessing his agent isn’t the best. Look at the guy from ped st who took the year off, he was still hyped all year.

 

[OhioPittFan]

He wasn’t that good or freakish of an athlete that he could afford to sit out in my opinion. It’s the same reason he was a 3 star recruit, he needed to work his behind off and prove it on the field. You can’t do that sitting out.

 

[voiceyouropinion]

Ford and Twyman both hurt themselves. Both could get better with hard work and reps. Neither is good enough that can step on the field and dominate without reps that would make them better. Neither will go before the third round.

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

Did he though? He proved himself last year. There's a chance he could have got hurt and limped through the season. Or worse, he could have got hurt by suffering an injury with lasting effects that would have negatively affected his ability at the next level. And it's important to have a good 1st four seasons at the next level, because that contract after the 1st 4 years can be huge.

Someone I think asks the question above -- did Paris Ford help his draft status by coming back? I don't think so. I don't necessarily think he hurt it either, but it's not like his draft stock looks a lot better than if he had sat out. I imagine that was the most likely scenario for Twyman. He probably would have performed about the same. Minimal possible reward, but some relatively serious risks.

He proved himself and many said he was still too small. From everything you hear of the kid, he is a workout freak like Donald, so we would have played well and put some of those fears to rest. There is just nothing to show when you haven't played a year, he easily cost himself a round or two minimum.

 

[jrnPitt]

I realize mock drafts are all over the board, but earlier mocks from last year had Twyman going in the first.

Latest ESPN 3 round draft and Twyman is not picked. The only Panther who was picked is P. Jones in the 3rd. I would also ask did P. Ford hurt himself?

I dont follow this NFL evaluation stuff and again, mock drafts differ.

But the first round names pretty much are set.

Any thoughts?

I'm voting hurting himself. His size hurts him to begin with unless you really believe Pitt has the magic formula for turning undersized DT's into another Aaron Donald. I see him going in round 3 or 4.

 

[Cap pitt]

Yes, I believe he hurt himself, he could have done himself better in his draft position

 

[pittdan77]

I think saying a guy hurt himself two months before the draft is a bit premature. A lot of things change. Pro days, free agency, injury, knucklehead stuff. I'd wait an ask the question in late April.