I'm sure the blue blood programs all have great citizens. Dior sought out Pitt to play here. Yeah I don't know anyone etc. Smh
Dior Johnson in trouble
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I dont know why I am wasting my time with this because all that matters is the final case result. But here you go in the state of Pennsylvania for a strangulation felony charge.
"It does not matter if the other person was physically injured or not. Even if the alleged victim did not have any marks on his or her neck or any other type of injury, you can still be charged with strangulation based on the alleged victim’s accusation"
So based off PA state law, you can be charged with strangulation just because someone elses accusation and nothing else. That does not mean it actually happened and does not mean the kid grabbed her by the neck and tried to kill the other person, which it seems some people want to believe.
Dior got accused of strangulation and was charged with it. Now the court needs to show proof to hold the charge to be true. If he strangled her, he is gone. If he didn't, then we'll see what happens. This isn't some 3rd world country where people are 100% guilty before being innocent here.
Finally, and I posted this before, Dior has some of this entire event recorded on his phone. It was already said that what he recorded will be used in court. Let the case play out and what happens, happens.
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The police officer was off duty in plain clothes. What Fields did wasnt that big of a deal.
I don't know why you're wasting your time either. We all know that no matter what happened, someone will get the charges drastically reduced or dismissed, even if the evidence proves otherwise. He'll get off with a slap on the wrist and pat on the behind. That's the way the justice system works for high visibility athletes.
Is the kid even in school? He should be attending classes and pursuing his degree. (I don't ask questions unless I know the answer).
Tony Farmer did 3 years prison for similar charges to Dior including kidnapping and assault to his ex girlfriend. Farmer was a National 4 star Top 100 basketball player.
In fact, you can watch the judge sentence him to prison here and watch him collapse in court when the judge reads off the sentence.
So to you answer your question, star athletes do go to prison too for committing bad crimes. Dior may or may not follow, that is for the court to decide.
You're a smart man. You know it depends on the DA and Judge presiding and the jury. As you said, we'll see.
Farmer was penalized and incarcerated as he should have been and as any of us would have been with similar charges. Now we'll see how this plays out for Johnson. I don't wish him any ill will. In fact, I hope he stays in school and gets his degree. That should be his priority as it is with all student-athletes. At least it was. But he did do something and he may have to suffer the consequences.
How exactly do you know what Dior did or didn’t do unless you were there? The court system is in place to decide whether he’s innocent or guilty.
At least the woman here puts a date, time and place on Her complaint. That is a step forward in the process of kowing wether to believe the woman.or not.
Yet, you are the one pronouncing Dior “Guilty” without any other knowledge about the case. No one has posted that they have insider about this incident. That is exactly why we have said”wait til the investigation is over” before you claim anything.
And why does that make her statements any more true. She waited a month before filing charges.
And why does that make her statements any less true? Why is the woman who has been allegedly attacked the one who is presumed to be wrong? That is a prejudicial statement to make on your part.
There are obvious reasons why she waited a month. If you don't understand that, I can't help you.
It is up to Johnson to prove his innocence. He is the defendant. We'll wait and see if he can do that better than the girl can prove his guilt, or if the justice system believes his version more than the girl's.
I doubt either of them attended many classes, obviously. That was my point, but it went over your head.
Not following your logic here Gary on why this ‘date, time and place’ makes this any more credible than other similar incidents. Heck, I can’t even think of many other similar incidents where a date, time and place weren’t specified.
Yes. One can be both anti-domestic violence and pro-due process.
Actually it really isn't. Defendants don't have to prove innocence. Prosecutors have to prove guilt. Which is a completely different thing.
Didn’t we all learn “innocent until proven guilty” from some cop show when we were 8 years old?
Wait, what?!?!? It is up to the state to prove his guilt.
Everyone is assuming the girls account of the incident is what actually happened, none of us know what really happened , therefore allowing the process to play out is what needs to happen . If he’s guilty he’s gone if he’s innocent he stays .
Have you ever sat down and talked to the kid , his coaches , teachers , parents …..etc . You don’t know a thing about him . Let the process play out .
I don't know if I've seen someone be so confidently wrong about such a well-known subject since flat earthers.
Which facts did I claim to have here? Plenty of people in public-facing jobs are fired for being involved in things that aren't illegal or ever proven in court. Capel has had multiple instances now of players being arrested shortly after arriving on campus. These aren't players with years of daily interactions with their coach, AD, and fans (like Levance Fields). They are not owed the benefit of the doubt.
We live in a post-Me Too society, and I would not be staking my career on a kid who was (allegedly) willing to attack and hold a girl captive in his apartment. Do you really all believe that Heather Lyke is totally cool with violence against women?
If I was the athletic director of Pitt or anywhere, I would treat each case individually as I should. 2 cases previously went through the court process. 2 cases with previous players with serious charges had both charges reduced. Both players returned to the team. So both of those previous incidents to me mean little, because the "original" felony charges against them did not stick in court. Accusations mean nothing to me. I deal with facts and conclusions after the fact.
On to your second point, OJ Simpson had years of daily interactions with fans at USC. He also did the same in the NFL. Years of interactions with the fanbase, coaches, teammates, etc. have nothing to do with the actual charges at hand. You don't get special treatment in the court of law because you made it to your second year in college while sustaining relationships with people as opposed to being a freshmen in college and being brand new on the team. People should be treated fairly and equally.
Lastly, this thread is not about Jeff Capel, Heather Lyke, or the trajectory of the current and future Pitt basketball program. It is only about Dior Johnson and the charges against Dior Johnson only.
It is not up to Dior to prove his innocence! Have you ever heard of the term “innocent until proven guilty”? That happens to be the USA justice system. No one has claimed that the victim is not telling the truth! Why is it not just as likely that she is not telling the truth as it is that Dior is telling the truth? You seem to want to be the judge and jury and are claiming that there is no way Dior is not guilty. Why is that? Is there something different about Dior that you dislike? I have heard no info that he has had previous trouble with the law. Maybe you have that information. If so, let us all know.
Sorry, I thought this was the Pitt Basketball forum, not the Dior Johnson Fan Club. I guess I missed the news that you took over as moderator. Congrats!
Everyone is still discounting the most likely option: he pleads out. And there's never a day in court or a verdict.
If he pleads to the misdemeanor assault charge, the state never adjudicates what precisely happened that night. So what does pitt do? Let him play because he "only" assaulted her, and that's a misdemeanor? That's a fraught situation.
If he pleads to the misdemeanor assault charge, the state never adjudicates what precisely happened that night. So what does pitt do? Let him play because he "only" assaulted her, and that's a misdemeanor? That's a fraught situation.
You are definitely right about that. In most cases, the accused usually pleads out and we're at square one with what to do with him. If I were the girl and I knew for a fact that he actually did what he was accused of, I'd be pissed. Maybe she can pursue a civil lawsuit against him and get some money from him. I don't know...I'm not an attorney obviously and it may not be worth it. If this all plays out, you are right....this is a fraught situation and not ideal at all.
It all depends on the circumstances , did he try to get her to leave and she became the aggressor or was he the aggressor.
I’ve witnessed a crazy woman just attaching the guy she was with , punching , kicking , scratching , screaming until he had enough and he decked her . She got what she deserved . Circumstances matter . Your allowed to defend yourself .
Courts render guilty or not guilty verdicts based on the evidence or lack thereof. Never innocence (see Officer Nordberg, The Naked Gun, for a reference on this concept)
Yea the story is a lot different than they way it looked when it was first reported. I assumed he was done for sure, but with the way things seem to be moving that may not be the case.
I was at the game Monday. Talked to someone who has some insider knowledge about Pitt basketball. He stated that Dior will get totally off. Supposedly this girl has been stalking Dior for several years and he has tried to get away from her. She followed him from California , then to Wisconsin, and now to Pittsburgh. I do not know if this is true or not, only repeating what I was told.
Actually it's not his job to prove his innocence. It's up to the government to prove he is guilty. Remember innocent until proven guilty.
I've been curious and just wondering ... if Dior is currently in Pittsburgh ... and if he's going to classes .... and if he still has some contact with coach Capel or anyone on the team ... whatever the legal outcome of all this I'd like to think that he still has a mentor and friends for any support and advice ...
Of course this is true in our criminal justice system, and thankfully so. It's not true regarding your status as a student athlete, an employee of a company, or many other things in life. If he had, for example, a NIL deal, they likely have every right to terminate it. And a basketball slot at Pitt is not a guarantee of course either, never mind playing time. He may plead his case to a lesser charge and not go to jail, but Pitt could still decide they don't think he's a good fit for this basketball program. Which wouldn't shock me considering he hasn't stayed at any place for a year since he started high school.
Yes, that's the way the legal system is supposed to work. In reality and in regard to schools, teams, and private entities, he can be assumed to be guilty and kicked off the team, out of school, etc. Pitt can do whatever they want, even if the legal system finds him "not guilty". That doesn't mean he is innocent, only not guilty as defined by law.
Yeah, this is exactly right. So take Dior’s case. He’s charged with, among other things, strangulation. That’s defined as “knowingly or intentionally imped[ing] the breathing or circulation of the blood of another person by: (1) applying pressure to the throat or neck; or (2) blocking the nose and mouth of the person.”
So let’s say it comes out in court that Dior did, in fact, knowingly apply pressure to the throat or neck, or block the nose or mouth of this woman…but it turns out that her breathing or circulation were not impeded. By definition, he is not guilty of strangulation. As he should be, if that were to be the facts! But I don’t think that anyone out there would feel that he’s innocent, either.
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