Do I understand this right?

[gary2]

If we fill all our open scholarships, almost regardless of who we give them to, unless players transfer out, we will have no scholarships to give for the next class.

if that is correct, how many should we leave unfilled?

To get a departing senior, we would be limited to someone else’s current grad transfer or 5th year senior?

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

If we fill all our open scholarships, almost regardless of who we give them to, unless players transfer out, we will have no scholarships to give for the next class.

if that is correct, how many should we leave unfilled?

To get a departing senior, we would be limited to someone else’s current grad transfer or 5th year senior?

If it’s someone marginal maybe leave something open. But even then with all the movement and the one time transfer rule going in I don’t see much risk in filling them all. There will almost certainly be openings.

One way or another there always seems to be room. If they filled them all I wouldn’t sweat it a bit.

 

[gary2]

If it’s someone marginal maybe leave something open. But even then with all the movement and the one time transfer rule going in I don’t see much risk in filling them all. There will almost certainly be openings.

One way or another there always seems to be room. If they filled them all I wouldn’t sweat it a bit.

Isn’t it hard to offer in the early signing period with no openings?

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Isn’t it hard to offer in the early signing period with no openings?

It’s grimy at times. If a coach gets the right commitment room will be made somehow some way. They may need to keep it on the down low for optics, but nobody’s getting turned away if that kid wants to come to Pitt and Capel wants the kid badly enough.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

So after 3 months of flipping out about having too many open ships -
Now you’re concerned about openings for the 2022 class?
Sheesh

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

There are always going to be scholarships open youre never gonna keep 13 kids happy and especially with the one time transfer rule you should always recruit like you have 5-6 openings to fill. Then you figure it out. There’s almost no such thing as program building anymore. Just need to team build year to year.

 

[TheLogicalTake]

There are always going to be scholarships open youre never gonna keep 13 kids happy and especially with the one time transfer rule you should always recruit like you have 5-6 openings to fill. Then you figure it out. There’s almost no such thing as program building anymore. Just need to team build year to year.

Define “program building”? Can you keep an entire roster of returners intact year to year anymore? No, that’s probably going to be highly rare but I wouldn’t deal in absolutes like that in my definition of program building. I believe, even if you’re losing 1-2 guys a year to the portal, you can still keep a program/culture intact year to year. Trying to put new puzzle pieces in every year and “team build” around a new mix of personalities is a slippery slope

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Define “program building”? Can you keep an entire roster of returners intact year to year anymore? No, that’s probably going to be highly rare but I wouldn’t deal in absolutes like that in my definition of program building. I believe, even if you’re losing 1-2 guys a year to the portal, you can still keep a program/culture intact year to year. Trying to put new puzzle pieces in every year and “team build” around a new mix of personalities is a slippery slope

Just my opinion, but I don’t think any teams that didn’t have a culture prior to the new rule or don’t have elite coaches are going to be able to survive the rule. The urge to win now and get older guys/transfers every year will be the key.

Guys who have great families that understand the process like Jeffress are going to be few and far between. Recruit as many of those types as possible. But I think the families/extended people who are involved with the kids are more the problem than the kids themselves. Always in their ear trying to get the kid to be their meal ticket.

 

[73CAV]

If we fill all our open scholarships, almost regardless of who we give them to, unless players transfer out, we will have no scholarships to give for the next class.

if that is correct, how many should we leave unfilled?

To get a departing senior, we would be limited to someone else’s current grad transfer or 5th year senior?

Per Verbal Commits, Pitt has three open scholarships for the 2021 recruiting class, and five for the 2022. At least two spots will remain available for 2022 as those players who take advantage of the extra year of eligibility will not count against the 13 scholarship total allowed by the NCAA. So, if Burton and Oladapo do stay for a fifth year, they will not count against the scholarships allowed in 2022. Nor will any transfers who are rising seniors or grad transfers.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

No one is immune anymore. It’s soccer I know, and no one here cares, but in the men’s game Akron is a close to a blue blood that you can get. They have had 2 off years, and now have 8 players in the portal. I suppose it could be easier for them to rebuild due to history and status in their sport...but obviously a program like Pitt hoops will have a harder time.

 

[gary2]

There are always going to be scholarships open youre never gonna keep 13 kids happy and especially with the one time transfer rule you should always recruit like you have 5-6 openings to fill. Then you figure it out. There’s almost no such thing as program building anymore. Just need to team build year to year.

Again - it is hard to recruit in the early signing period without definite openings.

You can play that game in the late signing period, but being full at season’s start cedes those signing early.

 

[pittchagg]

I’d be kind of surprised if we end up using the 14th scholarship (just not sure how you’d keep that many kids happy with playing time) so I think Nike is a definite vacancy. I think we probably end up grabbing a guy or two with senior eligibility, too, which would open up more slots for 2022s. I’d be surprised if Nike was the only senior-eligible player on the roster this year.

 

[gary2]

I’d be kind of surprised if we end up using the 14th scholarship (just not sure how you’d keep that many kids happy with playing time) so I think Nike is a definite vacancy. I think we probably end up grabbing a guy or two with senior eligibility, too, which would open up more slots for 2022s. I’d be surprised if Nike was the only senior-eligible player on the roster this year.

I hope you ate right, but I see that as being very hard to do.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Again - it is hard to recruit in the early signing period without definite openings.

You can play that game in the late signing period, but being full at season’s start cedes those signing early.

Seems a bit silly to be worrying about next yrs recruits right now ! Trust me any player that Pitt would want enough to offer and sign in the early signing period will have a spot .

 

[pittchagg]

I hope you ate right, but I see that as being very hard to do.

I think it’s very possible that you could end up seeing a grad transfer big and a backup point guard. You might just have to wait until more of the musical chairs stop this summer, especially for a guard because I don’t think we’re gonna have too many minutes to sell there. If we miss out on Reid, I think a grad transfer big (to go along with a multi-year transfer) would be a pretty easy sell as a rotation.

 

[gary2]

I think it’s very possible that you could end up seeing a grad transfer big and a backup point guard. You might just have to wait until more of the musical chairs stop this summer, especially for a guard because I don’t think we’re gonna have too many minutes to sell there. If we miss out on Reid, I think a grad transfer big (to go along with a multi-year transfer) would be a pretty easy sell as a rotation.

Not saying we can’t get guys like that, just saying those that would be departing seniors are fewer and far between.

Almost every team will want these guys for the same reasons we do. Supply and demand.

 

[gary2]

Again - it is hard to recruit in the early signing period without definite openings.

You can play that game in the late signing period, but being full at season’s start cedes those signing early.

Can you even actually ”sign” a player in the early signing period without an open scholarship?

I believe very few players would commit to you in the early period on the “promise” that you will make room for them, probably no one worth getting.

 

[Thee Jackie Treehorn]

Can you even actually ”sign” a player in the early signing period without an open scholarship?

I believe very few players would commit to you in the early period on the “promise” that you will make room for them, probably no one worth getting.

Didn't we sign Khem Birch when all the scholarships were filled? So I guess you can do it. That worked out well, eh?☺

 

[pittchagg]

Can you even actually ”sign” a player in the early signing period without an open scholarship?

I believe very few players would commit to you in the early period on the “promise” that you will make room for them, probably no one worth getting.

Yes, I don’t think you need to be at the scholarship limit until the first day of official practice.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

The Pantherlair is a discussion Board.. People like to discuss things that interest them and others.. Here’s a novel idea, if you don’t like what’s being discussed, then stay the hell out of the thread. There’s no need to inject your stupidity into the topic, just move along..

So who elected you as a board moderator . Pitts problem if you haven’t noticed is fielding a team for next season .....genius !

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Again - it is hard to recruit in the early signing period without definite openings.

You can play that game in the late signing period, but being full at season’s start cedes those signing early.

Literally every team in America recruits more kids than they have in the early signing period and will sign better players if they can regardless of openings. You make openings.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Can you even actually ”sign” a player in the early signing period without an open scholarship?

I believe very few players would commit to you in the early period on the “promise” that you will make room for them, probably no one worth getting.

Yes, you can.

And schools do, every year. The notion that a guy won't commit to you unless you have open scholarships ready and available 9 months before they are actually going to need the scholarship is silly.

 

[gary2]

Literally every team in America recruits more kids than they have in the early signing period and will sign better players if they can regardless of openings. You make openings.

Specifically - Can you “sign” someone early with no currently open scholarships?

if the answer to that is ”no”, your team is at a disadvantage if you have no ”current” scholarships to give.

Are you arguing that?

 

[gary2]

So who elected you as a board moderator . Pitts problem if you haven’t noticed is fielding a team for next season .....genius !

I think what is, being indicated is one should argue the point or the logic and refrain from using editorial adjectives or personal attacks on people staying on topic And participating in discussion.

Good advice for everybody?

 

[buckage]

Again - it is hard to recruit in the early signing period without definite openings.

You can play that game in the late signing period, but being full at season’s start cedes those signing early.

No it isn't.

 

[levance2]

Per Verbal Commits, Pitt has three open scholarships for the 2021 recruiting class, and five for the 2022. At least two spots will remain available for 2022 as those players who take advantage of the extra year of eligibility will not count against the 13 scholarship total allowed by the NCAA. So, if Burton and Oladapo do stay for a fifth year, they will not count against the scholarships allowed in 2022. Nor will any transfers who are rising seniors or grad transfers.

Everything I have seen indicates that the only players whose scholarships don't count against the limit are 20-21 seniors who stay with their program for 21-22. Players who transfer still have a 5th year of eligibility, but count against the scholarship limit. The same with 20-21 juniors and below.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I think what is, being indicated is one should argue the point or the logic and refrain from using editorial adjectives or personal attacks on people staying on topic And participating in discussion.

Good advice for everybody?

Well , worrying about recruits for a season that is two yrs away is silly . Pitts issues are now and when the roster is complete then it’s time for JC to worry about the next recruiting class .


The landscape of college bb recruiting has changed forever . Every kid whose under recruited and excels at a lower level program will want to upgrade their circumstances and kids who find themselves over recruited at big time programs will be wanting to find a new place that they can play at now and no ones going to want to wait two yrs of limited pt to get on the court . All this means why recruit freshman when you can get guys who’ve played a couple of yrs of college ball unless the freshman are special players .If you’ve noticed Pitt really hasn’t been in the picture of signing top high school players

Bbinsider is right , program building has changed , it’s going to about finding the missing pieces with transfers from inferior programs or disgruntled players at better programs who need a change .

I guess your constant harping on JC shouldn’t be considered attacking someone ? All I said it was silly to worry about the issue you brought up and I just responded to being attacked by a fake poster . ( you ? )

 

[gary2]

Well , worrying about recruits for a season that is two yrs away is silly . Pitts issues are now and when the roster is complete then it’s time for JC to worry about the next recruiting class .


The landscape of college bb recruiting has changed forever . Every kid whose under recruited and excels at a lower level program will want to upgrade their circumstances and kids who find themselves over recruited at big time programs will be wanting to find a new place that they can play at now and no ones going to want to wait two yrs of limited pt to get on the court . All this means why recruit freshman when you can get guys who’ve played a couple of yrs of college ball unless the freshman are special players .If you’ve noticed Pitt really hasn’t been in the picture of signing top high school players

Bbinsider is right , program building has changed , it’s going to about finding the missing pieces with transfers from inferior programs or disgruntled players at better programs who need a change .

I guess your constant harping on JC shouldn’t be considered attacking someone ? All I said it was silly to worry about the issue you brought up and I just responded to being attacked by a fake poster . ( you ? )

Not me, I can defend myself.

Criticizing the coach is part of sports Discussion, some attacks on other posters are clearly not.

My post about decorum was not directed to you. “Silly” is a rather harmless Description.

Telling someone to drink Draino and end their misery, is clearly a different matter.

 

[TD_6082]

Define “program building”? Can you keep an entire roster of returners intact year to year anymore? No, that’s probably going to be highly rare but I wouldn’t deal in absolutes like that in my definition of program building. I believe, even if you’re losing 1-2 guys a year to the portal, you can still keep a program/culture intact year to year. Trying to put new puzzle pieces in every year and “team build” around a new mix of personalities is a slippery slope

I think Insider is right.

I think coaches who are comfortable churning over 50% of their roster yearly, can recruit players ready to contribute immediately, and make the pieces fit, that's the coaches who are going to have the most future success.

 

[thebadby2]

Just my opinion, but I don’t think any teams that didn’t have a culture prior to the new rule or don’t have elite coaches are going to be able to survive the rule. The urge to win now and get older guys/transfers every year will be the key.

Guys who have great families that understand the process like Jeffress are going to be few and far between. Recruit as many of those types as possible. But I think the families/extended people who are involved with the kids are more the problem than the kids themselves. Always in their ear trying to get the kid to be their meal ticket.

Cue the Jeffress transfer after next season.

 

[73CAV]

Everything I have seen indicates that the only players whose scholarships don't count against the limit are 20-21 seniors who stay with their program for 21-22. Players who transfer still have a 5th year of eligibility, but count against the scholarship limit. The same with 20-21 juniors and below.

Thanks for the correction. In pursuing this, I have found multiple answers and none seem authoritative. Lots of confusion. Essentially, I think you're right, but the situation appears to be a bit dynamic. I have a suspicion that changes will be made before school begins in the fall, and I have no idea what those changes might be.