I believe there have only been 4 players in NCAA history to average 70% for a season, so you're expecting a lot from Fede. Or maybe I didn't read that right because I'm just blind. I grew up watching guys like Nate Thurmond and Walt Bellamy, so I'm claiming I understand old school post play.
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He's already at 62%. 70% would mean that he literally made five more baskets this season. Over the course of 18 games. In other words, it would raise his scoring average by just over a half a point per game.
Actually with the number of shots that he's taken if he was shooting 100% he still wouldn't be averaging 9 points per game.
I liked your post about needing to find a way to get him shooting 125%. I see that Pitt79 did not.
Fede as a a sophomore vs Gary Mcghee as a senior
ORTG offensive power rating
Fede- 124
McGhee- 115
Usage Rate
Fede- 13
McGhee- 15
Rebound Percentage Rates
Fede- 13 offense, 13 defense
McGhee- 13 offense, 25 defense
Turnover Rate
Fede- 14
McGhee- 12
Block Rate
Fede- 8
McGheee- 6
EFG Field Goal Percentage
Fede- 62%
Mcghee- 56%
Fouls per game
Fede- 2.1
McGhee- 2.2
The one big difference here is obviously rebounding on the defensive side of the basketball, which has been a real problem the past 3 games and counting. With that said, Fede should only get better from here. Mcghee was a really good defensive player as a senior. Fede is getting there.
I think Fede’s really trying to make an effort to contest shots at the rim - which we need - but I think it also has hurt his ability to defensive rebound. Which makes sense, since it’s not really impacting him on the offensive end where his rebounding is pretty good. Hopefully with a little more strength and technique work, that’ll improve too.
I don’t see then as 5’s , I see them as 3&4’s with a strong guy in the middle . With them they could have an undersized 5 whose a brute .
Sorry the numbers don’t always tell the whole story . Gary McGhee as a senior would push Fede all over the place .
McGhee as a sophomore Fede wins , but if improves half as much as Gary did he’ll be one hell of a player .
Man its nice to meet someone else on this board that recognizes bball IQ. I see the same thing in them. The little fundamental things that you can't teach like their footwork. And their passing skills without putting the ball on the floor as soon as they catch a pass etc. They just need is to get used to the physical and mental aspect at this level and of course get stronger.
All I wanted to say with this thread was he's missing a few somewhat easy opportunities from close in per game, that's it. And it's true, with a little better technique he might score 2-3 more baskets per game, is it that hard to understand and not have to over analyze? And I AM RIGHT. he could convert a couple more shots per game with some better patience and technique. If you think it's not possible for him to average 8-10 instead of 5-6 your insane. so please head to your trigonometry book to calculate a proper reply.
I AM, THE END, Stats have nothing to do with it. Last game alone, he had the ball in his hands 2-3 times with a chance to EASILY score a basket and he didn't. STATS and math don't give the full picture because every time he misses those opportunities to isn't a shot attempt. SO YES... I AM RIGHT, YES YOU ARE WRONG.
Lulz
If he’s making 60% of his shots now -
Explain how many more ppg he averages with 1 more FG per game ?
I do
I know the only way big men shoot 75% is if they don’t shoot much
You’re confused about the sport
The whole conversation has nothing to do with shooting %, that's only a very small part of it, you just don't see the big picture. Obviously, you're an analytics guy, and don't see beyond numbers, there are things that players do that aren't counted.
If that's all you wanted to say, then that's all you should have said. Nobody would have disagreed with that.
Instead you made a statement that was factually incorrect and proclaimed that anyone that disagreed with you was stupid, blind or clueless.
Then, instead of simply admitting you didn't do the math, you continue to insult people and claim you were right.
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I just can't believe that people CARE THAT MUCH to do the math and analysis. I AM RIGHT, because math about shooting percentages is irrelevant to this argument. What I'm talking about goes beyond numbers and "metrics".
I think Federiko is a big reason for Pitt’s turnaround from an awful start. Very unselfish player who doesn’t mind not getting a lot of shots and does a lot of the little things on the court most people don’t notice.
Buddy the guy your think can make 2-3 more shots per game is making 62% of his shots this season
Either you’re brain damaged and think he should talk 10-12 shots per game
Or you. Both don’t underrated the sport and math
Let me know which of it is ?!?
Because it’s either you see fede as an all america lottery pick type talent -
Or you don’t .
The difference is between what I see who is a high value defensive player who is exceeding all expecations to make this team very much improved -
And what you see as a double double machine underutilized on offense
It has nothing to do with shooting %. You clearly are poor at analysis and don't understand what you're watching.
Aren’t you a coach ?
There are natural instincts that are pretty darned obvious even to my 6th man and 5th grade coaching self
Their natural movement into space , their instinct to the rebounding spot -
They get into the right spots -
They are not strong enough to take advantage of those Chances but they get their hands on the balls off loose ball and rebound situations.
I mean this whole year my wife and I have told kids to flow into empty spaces and the twins just do it naturally
Are they Great? No
But will they help our? Hell yeah .
Effort matters
Instinct matters
Their naturall length and instinct matters
Are you the guy who said he can make 2-3 more shots pr age
Which means he’d Average between 75 and 125% per game
He takes like 2-3 shots per game currently
I get the math is hard for the jorts contingent
So either you want to take 6-10 shots per game - or you don’t understand how a guy who takes 2-3 shots per game
Should average 10+ppg without caring about FG%
To achieve being a double double player
"Angst" WTF you talking about amateur psychologist? Just because you don't understand what I'm talking about, clearly because you don't understand what you're watching doesn't indicate "angst", it's not even criticism of Fede. But I'm done, clearly you don't get it and won't, go back to your metrics, pull out your calculator, waste some more of your time, because the answer isn't in any numbers.
Ummmmmm......I was referring to that angst you just displayed.....but I get it you want fede to take 2 to 3 more shots a game....okay.
No, he doesn't. Pitt79 is frustrated by the shots he misses. Fede needs to start making those shots instead of taking more. That way, he could average 9-10 pts per game. Which of course would entail taking 2 or 3 more shots per game. You don't understand that? Of course you don't, you're an AMATEUR psychologist. Put your calculator away, I'll find the answer for you in my trigonometry book.
No, you also don't get it. I've never said he should shoot 2-3 more times a game, but maybe he could. he has maybe 2-3 times per game where he has an opportunity to score a basket, and often because of bad footwork or indecisiveness or whatever, either doesn't score or doesn't even get a shot off, sometimes has it taken from him or makes a bad pass or yes misses a shot. With coaching and awareness, he could fix that. It's amazing that none of you get what I'm talking about.
Yup, you clearly don't get it either. Many of the opportunities he doesn't even shoot, But if you don't get it, you just don't, it's almost like you never even played on a playground.
No he was just arguing it wasn't about % it was just having/ making more opportunities aka shots. He just said 100 times his argument wasn't about more falling. You are having problems reading this thread
I was just poking fun at some of the things he has said through the course of this thread. I actually agreed with the idea that Fede sometimes misses easy shots. But when it was pointed out to him that Fede couldn't actually average 9 or 10 pts per game on the same number of shots, he acted like a petulant child about people using statistics. He could have just said something like "yeah, I didn't think that through" and nobody would have been getting on him.
You still don't get it. You don't realize that it's not just about missing easy shots, there are multiple opportunities where he doesn't even take the shot, where if he was more knowledgeable about some footwork or positioning, it's an easy opportunity. So clearly it isn't only about shooting %.
Okay so you want him to create more opportunities aka shots.
So he needs to take more shots...uh I mean create more opportunities
Why didn't you just say so
Don't get what? I agree with everything you say about his fundamentals. I also get that people corrected you on your math and that you didn't take it well. And I admit to jumping in and prodding you further for my own amusement. I think it's funny when people overreact to trivial matters. If you want to be mad at me for that, I can't blame you.
I think it's funny to when people overreact to trivial matters, like trying to do math to act like what i'm saying is wrong.
Did you watch the game tonight? at the 7:00 mark 2nd half, Fede grabbed an offensive rebound, he's right under the basket, he feeds it to Nelly and they don't score, and the announcer immediately says something like, "Your 7 foot guy is right under the basket, and hands off the ball to your 6 foot guy, something is wrong with this picture" so yeah, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about, Fede had an opportunity for a basket close in, and no shot was taken by him. Fede had 8 points, wow! If he could put that ball up strong maybe he'd have TEN.
To be fair though, no one actually had to do any math to know what you were saying didn't make any sense. People only used the math to try to illustrate to the guy who clearly doesn't understand the math that he was obviously wrong.
It did not, however, work. Because as I said, math is hard.
It did and does make sense, that announcer comment last night pretty much proved it, Fede lost an opportunity for a basket and didn't miss a shot.
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