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Don't Blame Bob Shoop For Moving To Tennessee; He Now Has Some Security & No One Does At PSU, LINK!

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Again before this happen and I admit I was not even talking about Bob Shoop leaving, but Dave Jones apparently is privy to some of the same aspects I have been told too, and more to come after signing day? We shall see? Meanwhile, PENNLIVE is not alive with Happy Nittany Lions Fans right now?
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Don't blame Bob Shoop for moving to Tennessee; he now has some security and no one does at PSU!
By David Jones | djones@pennlive.com
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January 09, 2016 at 8:15 PM, updated January 10, 2016 at 12:51 AM Link Below:

Amid the current terrain of major college revenue-sport athletics, no one is secure but a handful of elite head coaches. Everyone else is scrambling. Especially the assistants.

It's a far cry from everything Penn State experienced all those decades of the Joe Paterno regime where an entire core staff remained stable year after year.

Even if you jump aboard at the beginning of a tenure of a coaching regime, the most any staff member can expect is two years anymore before everyone's seat gets hot given a few badly placed losses.

So, for lead assistant coaches, beholden to the fortunes of their bosses, it's a nonstop musical chairs game, angling for money in place of the security they can never have. And if they can obtain a little of both? It's a no-brainer.

I think that's what's going on with Bob Shoop and his move to Tennessee. He knows head coach Butch Jones' job at Tennessee is probably quite a bit less tenuous than that of James Franklin at Penn State. And if he can get close to $4 million over three years in a state he knows and his family likes? Really not much to think about.

On the surface, the situations at UT and PSU might not look too different to Penn State fans. Jones is entering his fourth season this fall with a 21-17 record over three making $4.1 million annually at a place where that doesn't cut it. Franklin is making a smidge more with a 14-12 mark, an almost identical winning percentage entering his third. But Jones' line graph is rising – 5-7 his first year to 9-4 his third. Franklin's is flat.

And I don't think UT will show Jones the door if he goes, say 7-6 in 2016. I would not make the same prediction with Franklin.

And so Shoop surveyed this landscape and decided his chances of success and security and longevity were greater with Jones.

Still, this can only be interpreted as an indictment of Franklin in Shoop's eyes. And those eyes are pretty perceptive.

If one of the best defensive coordinators in the game doesn't think Franklin can get it done, then what are his chances with a lesser coordinator?

If you think this is all about money, I don't believe that. I've been told my multiple sources that Auburn was throwing more at Shoop than Tennessee.

But Gus Malzahn is in about the same shape as Franklin in terms of job security. Shoop didn't bite on repeated offers from AU through December. At one point, Malzahn was willing to fly to State College to talk. Didn't matter. It was about having a chance to win and thrive and maybe get in position to run his own shop as an FBS head coach.

Jones is on an upswing. That 9-4 in 2015 includes a resounding 45-6 win over Northwestern in the Outback Bowl. And while Knoxville is not Nashville where the Shoops camped out with three years under Franklin, it is territory the coordinator knows in the SEC East. Further, his boss is a transplanted Yankee just as he is.

I have been told Shoop did have some initial concerns with the chemistry on the defensive staff. When a firing of a DC happens, that's bound to occur. But he must have figured he could overcome that. And why not? He's personable and he's eminently competent. Moreover, the staff is loaded up with northern transplants. Jones is a Brian Kelly disciple and many of his assistants have similar northern connections.

Jones also is a more proven winner than Franklin. He has been a head coach longer (nine seasons to five) and has never failed to leave a program in better shape than he found it, whether at Central Michigan or Cincinnati or now.

Finally, Shoop has the material coming this fall at Tennessee that he would not have at Penn State. The Nittany Lion defense will be in rebuilding mode at the same time Franklin and his new coordinator are trying to pick a new starting quarterback – any of whom will be a raw rookie, even Trace McSorley.

But at Tennessee, Shoop has almost the entire starting front seven back and need only fill in the secondary of two departures.

So, it's all about security. I think Jones has it. I don't think Franklin does. And if you're an employee who's livelihood depends upon the security of your boss, you have to move where you can find such a situation. That's all Bob Shoop is doing. I think we all would as well.

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http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo..._football_bob_shoop_3.html#incart_river_index

DAVID JONES: djones@pennlive.com
 
ANOTHER LINK:
All eyes turn to Penn State recruiting as Bob Shoop moves on to Tennessee
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http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...turn_to_penn_state_re.html#incart_river_index
O Captain My Captain:
Franklin fired his OC after having brought him from Vandergrift. I wrote earlier that head coaches can't fire themselves so they fire staff....the higher the staff person fired, the hotter the seat.
Franklin fired his OC and in turn WAS FIRED by his DC! Two coordinators in one season. Firing two is akin to selling your house in anticipation of being fired. This counts at least as much as calling the realtor and making an appointment. What really got me about PSU'S OC firing was the suddenness of it....more pronounced now that the hire was , shall we politely say, "a bit of a stretch". I don't follow Franklin as I have never found PSU a program that an outsider could possibly root for ( Unlike the Vols, USC, even Michigan).
But something very unhealthy is going on in that PLEASANTVILLE in Centre County. Even with a westerly breeze, the scent makes it to me along the banks of the Ohio.
Thankfully...far away from the Mental Meltdown at Riverfront.
That was epic!
 
O Captain My Captain:
Franklin fired his OC after having brought him from Vandergrift. I wrote earlier that head coaches can't fire themselves so they fire staff....the higher the staff person fired, the hotter the seat.
Franklin fired his OC and in turn WAS FIRED by his DC! Two coordinators in one season. Firing two is akin to selling your house in anticipation of being fired. This counts at least as much as calling the realtor and making an appointment. What really got me about PSU'S OC firing was the suddenness of it....more pronounced now that the hire was , shall we politely say, "a bit of a stretch". I don't follow Franklin as I have never found PSU a program that an outsider could possibly root for ( Unlike the Vols, USC, even Michigan).
But something very unhealthy is going on in that PLEASANTVILLE in Centre County. Even with a westerly breeze, the scent makes it to me along the banks of the Ohio.
Thankfully...far away from the Mental Meltdown at Riverfront.
That was epic!
It is interesting to see BWI posters finally realizing the struggles a major Football Scandal brings to them and how tough it is to compete with Programs as big and often better than their own.

They are blaming Franklin and other Penn State higher Ups too, but in reality this was brought on by Paterno Era Non-Compliance and not obeying all the rules and gaining a competitive edge just so he could remain Head coach and win 409 Games?

Finally, I never blamed Penn State or trashed them for when they had did have excellence in coaching and Pitt couldn't maintain their Program due to Pitt higher Ups neglect or wrong decisions. I always put that on Pitt, no one else.

Now that Pitt has a Great Coach that wants to be at Pitt, the PSU Cult hates Pitt even more and blame Michigan, Ohio State, MSU and disrespecting them and other Programs for being better? Instead of blaming what Paterno did to their own Penn State Program??

Now they are experiencing coaching changes, recruiting De-Commits, Losses, and having a Top 15 Program without Top 25 Winning, and the blame is on them, no one else?

I still admire the Penn State Reform Program and many great PSU People and Players, but quit blaming many others and just look what the legacy of a Great Coach did to his own Program and University for staying too long and thinking only his Self-Regulated Rules applied to to him and shamed Penn sate name in that process no one else?


Joe made some mistakes, he admitted he could have done more, and cried about what happen to his Program, himself and University, and those are the facts they have to accept.

Like the Cincy Players that lost control and broke rules and then loss the game? Paterno did similar things to shame Penn Satte's name!
 
I wrote the same information on their board before I read the article and totally agree. What's really funny is that several of the Penn State fans already concede 6-7 wins in 2016 due to the DL changes with a new QB and new OC. They all say wait till 2017 for any significant improvement. I reviewed their 2017 schedule and they don't have an easy schedule, Penn State has a 50/50 chance against NW, Iowa,Pittsburgh, Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers and Indiana which translates to 3 losses. They have a 15% chance against Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State which translate to 3 more losses. They may improve but their schedule is so difficult that 6-6 is a good prediction for 2017.

Pitt needs to continue have winning seasons to prove their improvement. The lose to Navy wasn't pretty. Rutgers beat Navy so consistently when we played them.
 
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I wrote the same information on their board before I read the article and totally agree. What's really funny is that several of the Penn State fans already concede 6-7 wins in 2016 due to the DL changes with a new QB and new OC. They all say wait till 2017 for any significant improvement. I reviewed their 2017 schedule and they don't have an easy schedule, Penn State has a 50/50 chance against NW, Iowa,Pittsburgh, Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers and Indiana which translates to 3 losses. They have a 15% chance against Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State which translate to 3 more losses. They may improve but their schedule is so difficult that 6-6 is a good prediction for 2017.

Pitt needs to continue have winning seasons to prove their improvement. The lose to Navy wasn't pretty. Rutgers beat Navy so consistently when we played them.
By the 2017 season, they may be dealing with a new head coach, too. Slick Jimmy may want to bail-out before The Cult throws him out. They're a Tier 2 team in the Big Ten, and it's hard to imagine their status improving anytime soon.
 
By the 2017 season, they may be dealing with a new head coach, too. Slick Jimmy may want to bail-out before The Cult throws him out. They're a Tier 2 team in the Big Ten, and it's hard to imagine their status improving anytime soon.
Their recruiting has already dipped this year and probably gets worst with 1-2 more de-commits. Next year, it will really be reflected in their recruiting. This happened when Wanny came on board, first 2-3 years, great recruiting but it died down when the wins didn't happen in year 3-4.
 
"rutgersdave, post: 732756, member: 7146"]
Pitt needs to continue have winning seasons to prove their improvement. The lose to Navy wasn't pretty. Rutgers beat Navy so consistently when we played them.

Rutgers beat Pitt a few times easily too, especially Schiano!

Pitt will have a tough schedule in 2016. Penn State, Oklahoma State, Clemson, UNC and Miami all will be tough all Qbs back except UNC! UVA, VT, and Cuse all New Coaches with QBs back! Georgia Tech, seldom an easy win with many of their Players back with QB. Duke has many leaving including the QB. The ACC Coastal has 3 New Coaches in Richt, Mendenhall and Fuente and Cuse Babers! If Coach Pat can go 8 Wins that will be great again.

Rutgers should be instantly improved with Ash too, as well as Maryland with Durkin! Rutgers keeps Top Recruits in NJ they will be a Top 25 Team again like under Schiano!
 
"rutgersdave, post: 732756, member: 7146"]
Pitt needs to continue have winning seasons to prove their improvement. The lose to Navy wasn't pretty. Rutgers beat Navy so consistently when we played them.

Rutgers beat Pitt a few times easily too, especially Schiano!

Pitt will have a tough schedule in 2016. Penn State, Oklahoma State, Clemson, UNC and Miami all will be tough all Qbs back except UNC! UVA, VT, and Cuse all New Coaches with QBs back! Georgia Tech, seldom an easy win with many of their Players back with QB. Duke has many leaving including the QB. The ACC Coastal has 3 New Coaches in Richt, Mendenhall and Fuente and Cuse Babers! If Coach Pat can go 8 Wins that will be great again.

Rutgers should be instantly improved with Ash too, as well as Maryland with Durkin! Rutgers keeps Top Recruits in NJ they will be a Top 25 Team again like under Schiano!
Don't know how well Rutgers will do next year but I expect improvement over a few years. I'm excited to see us go to the spread offense which should help our offense. Our defense, because of Flood, in the last 3 years was ranked about 100th in the nation and it doesn't take much to move up to 50-70th. With Schiano, we were in the Top 10 in defense for several years. It will be interesting for Pitt and Rutgers as well as Penn State. I see Penn State changing HC in the near future.

I think either Rutgers or Maryland will overtake Penn State in 1-2 years. I just don't know which one.
 
O Captain My Captain:
Franklin fired his OC after having brought him from Vandergrift. I wrote earlier that head coaches can't fire themselves so they fire staff....the higher the staff person fired, the hotter the seat.
Franklin fired his OC and in turn WAS FIRED by his DC! Two coordinators in one season. Firing two is akin to selling your house in anticipation of being fired. This counts at least as much as calling the realtor and making an appointment. What really got me about PSU'S OC firing was the suddenness of it....more pronounced now that the hire was , shall we politely say, "a bit of a stretch". I don't follow Franklin as I have never found PSU a program that an outsider could possibly root for ( Unlike the Vols, USC, even Michigan).
But something very unhealthy is going on in that PLEASANTVILLE in Centre County. Even with a westerly breeze, the scent makes it to me along the banks of the Ohio.
Thankfully...far away from the Mental Meltdown at Riverfront.
That was epic!

The higher the staff person fired the hotter the seat? Butch Jones just fired his DC.

I disagree that Jones' job is any safer than Franklin. In fact, a 7-6 record next year probably comes closer to putting Jones out of a job than it would Franklin.

The rebuilding phase of restocking the roster with talent is done at UT. Anything less than an SEC Title game appearance would be considered a huge disappointment for the Vols.

All this talk of job security is a little amusing. Its the wrong business if security is your thing. Excluding first year guys, I'd say there are no more than 15-20 coaches in P5 confernces that have actual job security if looking three years down the road.
 
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"TD_6082, post: 733044, member: 510"]The higher the staff person fired the hotter the seat? Butch Jones just fired his DC. I disagree that Jones' job is any safer than Franklin. In fact, a 7-6 record next year probably comes closer to putting Jones out of a job than it would Franklin.
I don't disagree with that at all, SEC Changes Coaches even if they go 8 to 10 Wins! This just adds to the speculation why Shoop left after turning down LSU & Auburn last week?

The rebuilding phase of restocking the roster with talent is done at UT. Anything less than an SEC Title game appearance would be considered a huge disappointment for the Vols.
Agree again, but did not wait too long to desert Franklin as Franklin deserted Donovan? All long time loyal Staffers according to Franklin for 5+ years, and then all of a sudden, 2 are gone?

All this talk of job security is a little amusing. Its the wrong business if security is your thing. Excluding first year guys, I'd say there are no more than 15-20 coaches in P5 confernces that have actual job security if looking three years down the road.
Same percentages in the NFL? Still, Shoop left and not right the season but in the middle of Recruiting Season?

So far not much word from Franklin either? At Least Narduzzi talked about how badly they tried to keep Chaney?
 
I dont think the timing really matters and I don't think it will have much affect on recruiting.

As to why he would turn down LSU and Auburn only to leave for Tennessee?... I have no idea. Your guess is as good as mine.

Regardless, if Shoop really wants to be a HC again, this appears to be a good move.
 
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Their recruiting has already dipped this year and probably gets worst with 1-2 more de-commits. Next year, it will really be reflected in their recruiting. This happened when Wanny came on board, first 2-3 years, great recruiting but it died down when the wins didn't happen in year 3-4.
Rutgers and Maryland will be doing a better job in recruiting too with Ash and Durkin!
 
"TD_6082, post: 733260, member: 510"]I dont think the timing really matters and I don't think it will have much affect on recruiting.
Most of it is almost over, and just few to grab now. So you may be right, but next year might be a problem if the PSU Defense falls apart a tad and causes more losses with PSU ending up 5-7. If Shoop gets some to De-Commit that could hurt and certainly targets of 2017 are approachable and how he handles it against Franklin & Staff?

As to why he would turn down LSU and Auburn only to leave for Tennessee?... I have no idea. Your guess is as good as mine.
It is an Enigma and one that means something happen and no one knows right now, but in itself not a good thing or timing after claims of staying and then leaves?

Regardless, if Shoop really wants to be a HC again, this appears to be a good move.
He is ready and I agree!
 
"TD_6082, post: 733260, member: 510"]I dont think the timing really matters and I don't think it will have much affect on recruiting.
Most of it is almost over, and just few to grab now. So you may be right, but next year might be a problem if the PSU Defense falls apart a tad and causes more losses with PSU ending up 5-7. If Shoop gets some to De-Commit that could hurt and certainly targets of 2017 are approachable and how he handles it against Franklin & Staff?

As to why he would turn down LSU and Auburn only to leave for Tennessee?... I have no idea. Your guess is as good as mine.
It is an Enigma and one that means something happen and no one knows right now, but in itself not a good thing or timing after claims of staying and then leaves?

Regardless, if Shoop really wants to be a HC again, this appears to be a good move.
He is ready and I agree!

It's not very likely that Shoop is going to be recruiting against PSU at Tennessee.
 
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