Duquesne Basketball

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but the Dukes had their game at Richmond that was supposed to be played today postponed the other day because of "a positive test within the program". That is now the THIRD different time already this year that Duquesne has cancelled or postponed games because of positive tests among either players or staff members. And I don't mean three different games, I mean three separate times that they had people test positive then after the quarantine period was over they had people test positive again. They had people test positive when they were in Louisville for the season opening event they were in. Then they were supposed to play games early last week but they had to cancel them because of more positive tests. Then they were supposed to play this weekend and they again had to cancel because of another positive test.

What in the heck are they doing down there on the Bluff?

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Did their coach get it?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Did their coach get it?

I haven't seen anything about who specifically got it, other than in the original case they said it was multiple people including both players and staff members.

 

[HOF Coach]

Did Duquesne add any new players lately who might a "superspreader"?
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Just kidding! 😉

 

[ameoba defense]

I saw where 12 players were positive. Apparently, Louisville didn't do a good job with their bubble as several of the teams have had corona issues.

 

[cashbin99]

I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but the Dukes had their game at Richmond that was supposed to be played today postponed the other day because of "a positive test within the program". That is now the THIRD different time already this year that Duquesne has cancelled or postponed games because of positive tests among either players or staff members. And I don't mean three different games, I mean three separate times that they had people test positive then after the quarantine period was over they had people test positive again. They had people test positive when they were in Louisville for the season opening event they were in. Then they were supposed to play games early last week but they had to cancel them because of more positive tests. Then they were supposed to play this weekend and they again had to cancel because of another positive test.

What in the heck are they doing down there on the Bluff?

Don’t blame Duquesne or the players. Very likely that a significant number of these results are “false positives”. It has been widely known since the beginning of the pandemic that PCR tests were never meant to be used as a diagnostic test. PCR tests conducted at high cycle thresholds create false positives. Fauci and now the WHO organization have admitted so:

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Don’t blame Duquesne or the players. Very likely that a significant number of these results are “false positives”. It has been widely known since the beginning of the pandemic that PCR tests were never meant to be used as a diagnostic test. PCR tests conducted at high cycle thresholds create false positives. Fauci and now the WHO organization have admitted so:

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

They do repeat testing so it’s not that

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

I am hopeful that Coach Capel's positive may be one of those false positives.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

They do repeat testing so it’s not that

False Positives


"The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero. Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself. "

False negatives are actually a much bigger problem than false positives, but that doesn't fit the narrative that some people want to push, so here we are.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

False Positives


"The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero. Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself. "

False negatives are actually a much bigger problem than false positives, but that doesn't fit the narrative that some people want to push, so here we are.

Yep
The willingness of so many to deny reality is really something.

 

[cashbin99]

False Positives


"The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero. Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself. "

False negatives are actually a much bigger problem than false positives, but that doesn't fit the narrative that some people want to push, so here we are.

I certainly understand the distinction between a false positive and a false negative but to suggest that there are more incidents of latter than the former is completely wrong. I cited an article with references from both the WHO and Fauci which clearly state the problems with the PCR tests resulting in false positives. Show me any scientific article which claims that false negative occur more than false negative.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I certainly understand the distinction between a false positive and a false negative but to suggest that there are more incidents of latter than the former is completely wrong. I cited an article with references from both the WHO and Fauci which clearly state the problems with the PCR tests resulting in false positives. Show me any scientific article which claims that false negative occur more than false negative.

It's pretty clear that you don't even understand the article that you linked. Which, come to think of it, may have been the intention of the people who wrote it. However I will guarantee you one thing. I will absolutely, positively, unequivocally NOT be able to show you any article of any sort that claims that "false negative occur more than false negative".

On the other hand, if you don't have the mental capability to understand why false negatives would be much, much, much worse than false positives in a pandemic then I'm pretty sure I can't help you.

 

[Franb]

It's pretty clear that you don't even understand the article that you linked. Which, come to think of it, may have been the intention of the people who wrote it. However I will guarantee you one thing. I will absolutely, positively, unequivocally NOT be able to show you any article of any sort that claims that "false negative occur more than false negative".

On the other hand, if you don't have the mental capability to understand why false negatives would be much, much, much worse than false positives in a pandemic then I'm pretty sure I can't help you.

I think he is promoting a false narrative.

 

[JS School]

Did Duquesne add any new players lately who might a "superspreader"?
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Just kidding! 😉

Being a superspreader sounds like an attribute you'd be looking for in a point guard.

 

[cashbin99]

It's pretty clear that you don't even understand the article that you linked. Which, come to think of it, may have been the intention of the people who wrote it. However I will guarantee you aone thing. I will absolutely, positively, unequivocally NOT be able to show you any article of any sort that claims that "false negative occur more than false negative".

On the other hand, if you don't have the mental capability to understand why false negatives would be much, much, much worse than false positives in a pandemic then I'm pretty sure I can't help you.

Again, I certainly understand that false negatives have more of serious consequence than a false positive result. That's a given so please quit changing the point of discussion. However, PCR tests absolutely generate more false positives than false negatives. You and all of your supporters on this board are either misinformed or purposely providing misleading information. Here’s an article from the NYTimes that spells out exactly why PCR tests were not meant to be used as a diagnostic tool. Read it slowly so that you can comprehend it:

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Again, I certainly understand that false negatives have more of serious consequence than a false positive result. That's a given so please quit changing the point of discussion. However, PCR tests absolutely generate more false positives than false negatives. You and all of your supporters on this board are either misinformed or purposely providing misleading information. Here’s an article from the NYTimes that spells out exactly why PCR tests were not meant to be used as a diagnostic tool. Read it slowly so that you can comprehend it:

You have now provided not one, but two links, that back up my point and not yours. So I guess thank you?

I mean do you seriously not understand that both of those articles are saying exactly what I quoted in my first response to you. Here, let me try again. "Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself."

So you understand that you providing links that say that there are labs not performing the tests correctly doesn't actually contradict what I posted in the first place, right? Apparently not.

Like I said, you know exactly what you want the outcome to be, so you have no problem misrepresenting what those articles are saying to try to make it as if they are proving your point.

 

[cashbin99]

Sorry, but go back to my original posting regarding the positive testing of the Duquesne players:
”Don’t blame Duquesne or the players. Very likely that a significant number of these results are “false positives”. It has been widely known since the beginning of the pandemic that PCR tests were never meant to be used as a diagnostic test. PCR tests conducted at high cycle thresholds create false positives.”
This is the point that I was making and it is still valid. You haven’t made one point to dispute that “false positives” results are a common and significant issue with PCR testing. You are the one that change the direction of my comment by bringing in the discussion around “false negatives” which was never an issue here.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Sorry, but go back to my original posting regarding the positive testing of the Duquesne players:
”Don’t blame Duquesne or the players. Very likely that a significant number of these results are “false positives”. It has been widely known since the beginning of the pandemic that PCR tests were never meant to be used as a diagnostic test. PCR tests conducted at high cycle thresholds create false positives.”
This is the point that I was making and it is still valid. You haven’t made one point to dispute that “false positives” results are a common and significant issue with PCR testing. You are the one that change the direction of my comment by bringing in the discussion around “false negatives” which was never an issue here.

Let's make a deal. You keep right on thinking that the real problem here is that everyone is falsely testing positive and the rest of us will live in the real world.

 

[cashbin99]

Thanks for conceding that you that you couldn’t dispute the facts.

 

[thom67]

It's pretty clear that you don't even understand the article that you linked. Which, come to think of it, may have been the intention of the people who wrote it. However I will guarantee you one thing. I will absolutely, positively, unequivocally NOT be able to show you any article of any sort that claims that "false negative occur more than false negative".

On the other hand, if you don't have the mental capability to understand why false negatives would be much, much, much worse than false positives in a pandemic then I'm pretty sure I can't help you.

Again, I certainly understand that false negatives have more of serious consequence than a false positive result. That's a given so please quit changing the point of discussion. However, PCR tests absolutely generate more false positives than false negatives. You and all of your supporters on this board are either misinformed or purposely providing misleading information. Here’s an article from the NYTimes that spells out exactly why PCR tests were not meant to be used as a diagnostic tool. Read it slowly so that you can comprehend it:

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.

www.nytimes.com

your article does NOT state that pcr tests have false positives. It states that the test is too sensitive and many positives are a result of low Covid viral numbers, not that Covid is not present. The pcr test is the most accurate of all tests. The major problem is getting the results in a timely manner. Mass testing is somewhat worthless if the results come back days later. The answer is rapid pcr tests. They are coming.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Thanks for conceding that you that you couldn’t dispute the facts.

Wait, the guy who linked two articles that supported what I said in the first place is concerned about the facts? The fact is I didn't need to dispute what you were saying, the articles that you linked did that perfectly well for me.

Assuming that one actually understands what those articles were saying.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Updating this: Duquesne was finally ready to play a basketball game, hopped on a plane, and landed in St. Louis.... and then Saint Louis paused all basketball activities due to COVID-19. The fourth postponement/cancellation for the Dukes, who still hold a 1-1 record...

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

BTW, since someone was asking about it earlier, I didn't see how many/which coaches had it, but somewhere yesterday I saw that Duquesne has had 10 players who have tested positive at one time or another.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

BTW, since someone was asking about it earlier, I didn't see how many/which coaches had it, but somewhere yesterday I saw that Duquesne has had 10 players who have tested positive at one time or another.

A few coaches as well but luckily national treasure Keith Dambrot has not

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Updating this: Duquesne was finally ready to play a basketball game, hopped on a plane, and landed in St. Louis.... and then Saint Louis paused all basketball activities due to COVID-19. The fourth postponement/cancellation for the Dukes, who still hold a 1-1 record...

If they keep getting games canceled, they may wind up playing for a NC like OSU football

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

If they keep getting games canceled, they may wind up playing for a NC like OSU football

At least the NCAA put in a minimum in basketball to make the tournament. Duquesne has missed a lot of games, but unless there are a lot of problems going forward they should still have no trouble getting to 13 games.

 

[JD1976]

Duquesne is now playing back to back games against GW this weekend.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Duquesne is now playing back to back games against GW this weekend.

I'd say that they were "scheduled" to play back to back games, but at this point most of their players already have immunity!