Extremely sensible article on opening College Campuses

[DruidTM]

By all accounts?.? That is not a fact. It is a guess by the same people whose models change daily. No one knows, but many claim to.

I haven’t honestly seen a single thing that wasn’t wish-washy wishful thinking pointing to there not being a significant problem in the fall. Even the CDC which has been severely stifled lately made statements regarding that. Considering it IS a virus it make very logical sense.

 

[jivecat]

Come on tough guy then... address the rest and quit hiding behind the young people argument... cause that’s EXACTLY what you’re doing ... everyone on campus is not 19 years old ( nor should they be) tell us ... what’s your answer for controlling these situations... how did the writer put it...something like “managing a year long Rock festival “( paraphrased)....? What’s your answer for what they are now seeing with very young kids turned up with COVID linked problems (70 in France after they put them in school again)?

sounds like you’re only playing to the pomp and circumstance and prom and graduation crowd? Where’s the beef? Because from a practical workable standpoint just sending people back clearly isn’t going to work. Nor is forcing staff back without major major changes

it’s pretty obvious when some of you guys watch Jaws every now and then you view the friggen Mayor as the “Good guy”... lolz

I’ll stick with Chief Brody , Hooper and Quint....

BTW- not sure where you get “ my boy Wolfe” since I’ve lived in GA for 8 years and this state has been continually making news for all the wrong reasons lately. Including churches reopening aaannnnddd immediately closing again...numbers spiking ... data being fudged...etc...I’m seeing lots of really bad examples

You are one of those people who are rooting for the virus to get worse so you can tell everybody you knew this was going to happen......but I will play along.

If you are an older teacher or worker at the university with health conditions, don’t go back to work. Collect unemployment until you can find another job or a vaccine is found. I think all teachers should still practice social distancing and good hygiene practices. Reducing class size needs to be considered as well.

Next, if your child is at college and comes home for Thanksgiving, maybe he does not hang out with Granma this year. I think that is a sacrifice he could make in order to save her life.

Last, look at the stats....virtually no kids of the typical college age are hospitalized for Covid. People will get sick and they will also get better. 70 kids in France have the Kawasaki disease.....sad but I am not stopping the American economy because of some kids in France. I hope they get better soon.

Now to be fair.....I wouldn’t take this stand if every CDC statistic did not support what I am saying. This is a dangerous virus particularly for the elderly and those with medical conditions. My family had the virus......so stop trying to scare me because it is not going to work. It is not the Spanish Flu or Bubonic plague.

I was not aware Georgia was giving false information out on deaths and illness. Can you tell me where I can read more about this....it is very concerning.

 

[Franb]

You are one of those people who are rooting for the virus to get worse so you can tell everybody you knew this was going to happen......but I will play along.

If you are an older teacher or worker at the university with health conditions, don’t go back to work. Collect unemployment until you can find another job or a vaccine is found. I think all teachers should still practice social distancing and good hygiene practices. Reducing class size needs to be considered as well.

Next, if your child is at college and comes home for Thanksgiving, maybe he does not hang out with Granma this year. I think that is a sacrifice he could make in order to save her life.

Last, look at the stats....virtually no kids of the typical college age are hospitalized for Covid. People will get sick and they will also get better. 70 kids in France have the Kawasaki disease.....sad but I am not stopping the American economy because of some kids in France. I hope they get better soon.

Now to be fair.....I wouldn’t take this stand if every CDC statistic did not support what I am saying. This is a dangerous virus particularly for the elderly and those with medical conditions. My family had the virus......so stop trying to scare me because it is not going to work. It is not the Spanish Flu or Bubonic plague.

I was not aware Georgia was giving false information out on deaths and illness. Can you tell me where I can read more about this....it is very concerning.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/18/only-america-is-sunday-day-after-thursday/

 

[PeetWeet1]

Here's the thing with colleges:

- The only reason to open them is to avoid financial disasters. Having kids on campus is not "essential." In contrast, having kids in elementary school and HS in person IS essential. College kids have 2 choices: online classes or redshirting themselves a year. A 3rd grader or 10th grader doesn't have a choice.

I don't see how anyone thinks its a good idea for thousands of kids from all across the US (and world) get together in small towns in close quarters. If there is ONE business to keep shut down, it would have to be college campuses. It seems to pose the biggest risk for mass spread.

1. 3rd graders and 10th graders attend cyber school, or are home schooled, or have remote classes all the time. Going to school for them is in NO way essential. For most it is preferred.
2. Grad students in technical fields cannot perform experiments remotely.
3. Undergrads also cannot do research remotely.
4. If we stay shut down, there will be no money to fund the research.
5. Colleges are pretty much an ideal setting for spreading diseases.
6. Most people don’t want to wait around to die and would prefer to take their chances. Especially when the alternative is depression level unemployment.
7. If schools don’t open up, the economy will have a hard time opening. That won’t bode well.
8. Of this virus is that bad, and it might be, a complete shut down must occur. This means we all stock up on food and medicine and don’t leave our homes or work places for a month. Really don‘t leave. No Amazon. No gas stations. No public transportation. No Uber. No cars. No schools. Nothing. Police stay at the station. Medical workers stay at the hospitals. once this is done, close the border and require a 14 day isolation upon arrival.

 

[jivecat]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/18/only-america-is-sunday-day-after-thursday/

I was not able to open the article since I do not subscribe to the Washington Post. It does say that this is an OPINION piece at the top of the article.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

1. 3rd graders and 10th graders attend cyber school, or are home schooled, or have remote classes all the time. Going to school for them is in NO way essential. For most it is preferred.
2. Grad students in technical fields cannot perform experiments remotely.
3. Undergrads also cannot do research remotely.
4. If we stay shut down, there will be no money to fund the research.
5. Colleges are pretty much an ideal setting for spreading diseases.
6. Most people don’t want to wait around to die and would prefer to take their chances. Especially when the alternative is depression level unemployment.
7. If schools don’t open up, the economy will have a hard time opening. That won’t bode well.
8. Of this virus is that bad, and it might be, a complete shut down must occur. This means we all stock up on food and medicine and don’t leave our homes or work places for a month. Really don‘t leave. No Amazon. No gas stations. No public transportation. No Uber. No cars. No schools. Nothing. Police stay at the station. Medical workers stay at the hospitals. once this is done, close the border and require a 14 day isolation upon arrival.

Here's the thing. A 3rd grader or 10th grader cannot redshirt themselves. A college sophomore or a grad student can easily do that. The economy sucks anyway. There is no rush to graduate college as fast as you can. These kids can take a year off or if they must graduate college as quickly as they can and won't miss the "college experience," they can take online classes. Our elementary schools, middle schools, and high school systems were not designed to educate kids online and there aren't enough real cyber schools to handle an influx of tens of millions of students. These kids don't have the same choices college kids do. Their online instruction, in most districts, is basically none at all, just assigned "homework." It is absolutely essential that these kids be in class, at least part of the time, as much as possible. For college kids, I'm sorry living in the dorm, going to classes in person, hanging out in the quad, that can very very easily wait 1 year.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

You are one of those people who are rooting for the virus to get worse so you can tell everybody you knew this was going to happen......but I will play along.

If you are an older teacher or worker at the university with health conditions, don’t go back to work. Collect unemployment until you can find another job or a vaccine is found. I think all teachers should still practice social distancing and good hygiene practices. Reducing class size needs to be considered as well.

Next, if your child is at college and comes home for Thanksgiving, maybe he does not hang out with Granma this year. I think that is a sacrifice he could make in order to save her life.

Last, look at the stats....virtually no kids of the typical college age are hospitalized for Covid. People will get sick and they will also get better. 70 kids in France have the Kawasaki disease.....sad but I am not stopping the American economy because of some kids in France. I hope they get better soon.

Now to be fair.....I wouldn’t take this stand if every CDC statistic did not support what I am saying. This is a dangerous virus particularly for the elderly and those with medical conditions. My family had the virus......so stop trying to scare me because it is not going to work. It is not the Spanish Flu or Bubonic plague.

I was not aware Georgia was giving false information out on deaths and illness. Can you tell me where I can read more about this....it is very concerning.

I posted something about the GA governors office having to apologize for 3 screwups. I’ll see if I can find it.

Meanwhile in FLA

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Here’s the GA article

 

[cashisking884]

It’s gross how so many people do seem to be rooting for the virus due to some hatred they have for a political party or culture or whatever.

It’s okay to admit things aren’t that bad in America and our death rate compares very favorably to these countries you hold up as examples we should be following. It’s okay to not quote Chinese propaganda to make America look bad. You won’t get kicked out of the club.

 

[jivecat]

Here’s the GA article

View embedded media

Interesting. If the government fails in doing its job for the citizens, then we should demand accountability. I can accept a mistake given the group is grossly understaffed and reporting from counties can be overwhelming but the public depends on this information. Get it right!!

 

[Atlanta Panther]

Here’s the GA article

View embedded media

FWIW, my wife is a Recovery room nurse at Northside. She told me this morning that the Covid cases were declining pretty much...until the last two days. The ER was filled with COVID cases last night. Its been about 14 days since Kemp started opening up the state. Is there a connection? Who knows. This is strictly anecdotal and I'm hoping this is just an outlier. I guess we'll see.

I think the thing that bothers me is that so many people have little regard for others. As the Covid information provided says...Me wearing a mask does little (5%) for me. It protects you if I have COVID. YOU wearing a mask protects (90%) me. I wish that people would wear masks as much as possible...at least for awhile.

I'm lucky that I'm retired and can control when I go out. I've got tickets to see James Taylor (rescheduled to 6/29) and also the play Hamilton at the Fox (rescheduled to 8/22) - pretty expensive tickets. I guess I'll see whether I go or not. People who have to work to feed their families really don't have a choice as to whether they go out and I realize we can't stay locked up until a cure comes. I just wish people would think about others and wear a mask.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

FWIW, my wife is a Recovery room nurse at Northside. She told me this morning that the Covid cases were declining pretty much...until the last two days. The ER was filled with COVID cases last night. Its been about 14 days since Kemp started opening up the state. Is there a connection? Who knows. This is strictly anecdotal and I'm hoping this is just an outlier. I guess we'll see.

I think the thing that bothers me is that so many people have little regard for others. As the Covid information provided says...Me wearing a mask does little (5%) for me. It protects you if I have COVID. YOU wearing a mask protects (90%) me. I wish that people would wear masks as much as possible...at least for awhile.

I'm lucky that I'm retired and can control when I go out. I've got tickets to see James Taylor (rescheduled to 6/29) and also the play Hamilton at the Fox (rescheduled to 8/22) - pretty expensive tickets. I guess I'll see whether I go or not. People who have to work to feed their families really don't have a choice as to whether they go out and I realize we can't stay locked up until a cure comes. I just wish people would think about others and wear a mask.

Well said. I just don’t get the high aversion to a mask. People can be part of the solution or part of the problem. It’s troubling that so many refuse to be part of such a simple thing to try to get this and keep it tamped down. Is it a panacea? Of course not. But every little bit will help.

 

[jtownknowitall]

She didn’t raise a sheep.

She raised a mule.

 

[jtownknowitall]

If there is ONE business to keep shut down, it would have to be college campuses. It seems to pose the biggest risk for mass spread.

I disagree. I think it's nursing homes.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It’s gross how so many people do seem to be rooting for the virus due to some hatred they have for a political party or culture or whatever.

It’s okay to admit things aren’t that bad in America and our death rate compares very favorably to these countries you hold up as examples we should be following. It’s okay to not quote Chinese propaganda to make America look bad. You won’t get kicked out of the club.

Nobody is rooting for the virus. And yes, right now, the US's death rate is lower than Western Europe but there's is declining rapidly while ours is not. Just the other day I ran some numbers and the US is having double the amount of deaths per million per day that Italy is having so we will catch up to them by fall.

 

[wbrpanther]

It’s gross how so many people do seem to be rooting for the virus due to some hatred they have for a political party or culture or whatever.

It’s okay to admit things aren’t that bad in America and our death rate compares very favorably to these countries you hold up as examples we should be following. It’s okay to not quote Chinese propaganda to make America look bad. You won’t get kicked out of the club.

I guess it's OK to falsely accuse people of rooting for the virus to propagate your own views.

 

[cashisking884]

I guess it's OK to falsely accuse people of rooting for the virus to propagate your own views.

What views?

Look at the language people have used in these threads.

One poster in the other thread held up China is a model, and evidence of America’s failing.

You can pretend like such people aren’t blinded by a political/cultural hatred, but it’s silly to do so.

 

[cashisking884]

Nobody is rooting for the virus. And yes, right now, the US's death rate is lower than Western Europe but there's is declining rapidly while ours is not. Just the other day I ran some numbers and the US is having double the amount of deaths per million per day that Italy is having so we will catch up to them by fall.

Why would ours be declining *rapidly*?
The entire point of “flattering the curve” is not to see some massive, continuing decline. It’s to stretch it out. So you do what you can to decline it at first, but eventually the slope is going to stop as it flattens out.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Why would ours be declining *rapidly*?
The entire point of “flattering the curve” is not to see some massive, continuing decline. It’s to stretch it out. So you do what you can to decline it at first, but eventually the slope is going to stop as it flattens out.

Why do people not understand you can flatten the curve and decline deaths. Western Europe did both. We flattened the curves. But cases and deaths arent declining

 

[PeetWeet1]

Here's the thing. A 3rd grader or 10th grader cannot redshirt themselves. A college sophomore or a grad student can easily do that. The economy sucks anyway. There is no rush to graduate college as fast as you can. These kids can take a year off or if they must graduate college as quickly as they can and won't miss the "college experience," they can take online classes. Our elementary schools, middle schools, and high school systems were not designed to educate kids online and there aren't enough real cyber schools to handle an influx of tens of millions of students. These kids don't have the same choices college kids do. Their online instruction, in most districts, is basically none at all, just assigned "homework." It is absolutely essential that these kids be in class, at least part of the time, as much as possible. For college kids, I'm sorry living in the dorm, going to classes in person, hanging out in the quad, that can very very easily wait 1 year.

Maybe for your kids it is essential. For most it isn’t. Academically, mine have missed very little as their schools adopted really well. Heck, plenty of home schooled kids excel.

Many grad students need to be on campus to do their research. That is not only my opinion, it is the opinion of the MIT president. These students also generally live in apartments and can socially distance without much difficulty. Most undergrad learning takes place outside of the classroom. This is not only my opinion, it was the opinion of the founder of Pitt’s Honors College. Again, none of there are needed to live, yet they all are really important — and reasons why we need to open up ASAP!

 

[pittmeister]

FWIW, my wife is a Recovery room nurse at Northside. She told me this morning that the Covid cases were declining pretty much...until the last two days. The ER was filled with COVID cases last night. Its been about 14 days since Kemp started opening up the state. Is there a connection? Who knows. This is strictly anecdotal and I'm hoping this is just an outlier. I guess we'll see.

I think the thing that bothers me is that so many people have little regard for others. As the Covid information provided says...Me wearing a mask does little (5%) for me. It protectents you if I have COVID. YOU wearing a mask protects (90%) me. I wish that people would wear masks as much as possible...at least for awhile.

I'm lucky that I'm retired and can control when I go out. I've got tickets to see James Taylor (rescheduled to 6/29) and also the play Hamilton at the Fox (rescheduled to 8/22) - pretty expensive tickets. I guess I'll see whether I go or not. People who have to work to feed their families really don't have a choice as to whether they go out and I realize we can't stay locked up until a cure comes. I just wish people would think about others and wear a mask.

"I'm lucky that I'm retired and can control when I go out. I've got tickets to see James Taylor (rescheduled to 6/29) and also the play Hamilton at the Fox (rescheduled to 8/22) - pretty expensive tickets. I guess I'll see whether I go or not. People who have to work to feed their families really don't have a choice as to whether they go out and I realize we can't stay locked up until a cure comes. I just wish people would think about others and wear a mask."

Your post is one of the most balanced and reasonable posts I have read.

1. As we open, cases will go up. It is inevitable. The vast, vast majority will survive.

2. People should wear masks when necessary. Continue washing hands frequently.

3. You're right, we can't stay locked down forever. We need to move the economy. We can't wait for a vaccine that might take years to develop.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Maybe for your kids it is essential. For most it isn’t. Academically, mine have missed very little as their schools adopted really well. Heck, plenty of home schooled kids excel.

Many grad students need to be on campus to do their research. That is not only my opinion, it is the opinion of the MIT president. These students also generally live in apartments and can socially distance without much difficulty. Most undergrad learning takes place outside of the classroom. This is not only my opinion, it was the opinion of the founder of Pitt’s Honors College. Again, none of there are needed to live, yet they all are really important — and reasons why we need to open up ASAP!

Being in a classroom around your peers is ESSENTIAL for elementary and middle school kids. Also HS but not as much. Stop being an idiot. Yes, there are is a miniscule faction of students where being home schooled or cyber schooled is a better option but for like 99.99% of kids, being in a classroom is essential to their development. Whatever groundbreaking research a graduate student is doing can easily be done in a laboratory ON CAMPUS socially-distanced so please stop shedding tears for all these poor graduate students. If they absolutely must be on campus to conduct this research, I am quite sure we can make that happen. What we cannot make happen is for a 3rd grader, 7th grader, or 10th grader have a classroom setting from home. Being in the classroom for them is absolutely essential and is about a million times more essential than going to a gym or to the barber.

 

[pittdan77]

Actually you are wrong. I created a Covid task force to supplement the shoddy government measures that your boy Wolf is trying to use as “safety” in schools. This included teacher and student mental health which is becoming a true issue. Many kids are going to have PTSD when they return to school because of nancies like yourself are telling them they could die. You want a vaccine like the rest of us but it is not coming in the next year. We flattened the curve and we identified who this impacts most.......and it is not young people so stop stealing their lives from them.

Are these the same young people that get ridiculed for demanding action when mass shootings happen at their school?

Oh, and the perpetual war veterans would like in on some of that mental health treatment that they struggle to get.

 

[pierre93]

#2) I've seen my share of people without masks and it's sad and pathetic. Some people just don't have the decency to obey only for a short time since a pandemic only comes around every 100 years or so. Also, even way before this I witnessed so many times people not washing their hands after going to the restroom.
Some people will go above and beyond and some will never adhere to the rules. I am going to do a wait and see approach. Maybe some on here visited Miss Cleo and really know what's going to happen this fall!

 

[jtownknowitall]

Homeschooling works OK if you have a good teacher. Being home alone everyday when you're 14 isn't so great.

 

[pierre93]

Sure things will be planned for the fall but who really knows what's going to happen. Wait and see approach lairmen and this was told to me by someone in the Pitt ticket office.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Homeschooling works OK if you have a good teacher. Being home alone everyday when you're 14 isn't so great.

Homeschool kids usually do well but that is because usually if your mom decides not to have a career so she can teach you, it shows how serious about education she and any parent that is THAT serious about education is going to have high achieving kids no matter the school or the setting. Any kid can get some homework and learn things. Its being in a classroom setting with peers, listening to instruction that is essential for an adolescent or pre-adolescent child. That is irreplaceable. These kids cannot "redshirt" like a college student can.

 

[PITTF2]

Again, nobody is afraid of college kids dying of coronavirus. The fear is them spreading it and killing old people.

Many older people do very well like the 108 yr old who had Covid and said it was like the flu. Some don't due to underlying health conditions so they should protect themselves. Noone should expect the country to shutdown because they have Corona virus risk. Noone!

108-year-old New Jersey woman who lived through Spanish flu survives coronavirus


The country cant be shutdown for your concern. Its a concern, like other concerns it should be managed, which FL did very well regarding seniors. The Villages a senior housing development did great.
Because FL managed the Corona Virus situation.

 

[PeetWeet1]

Being in a classroom around your peers is ESSENTIAL for elementary and middle school kids. Also HS but not as much. Stop being an idiot. Yes, there are is a miniscule faction of students where being home schooled or cyber schooled is a better option but for like 99.99% of kids, being in a classroom is essential to their development. Whatever groundbreaking research a graduate student is doing can easily be done in a laboratory ON CAMPUS socially-distanced so please stop shedding tears for all these poor graduate students. If they absolutely must be on campus to conduct this research, I am quite sure we can make that happen. What we cannot make happen is for a 3rd grader, 7th grader, or 10th grader have a classroom setting from home. Being in the classroom for them is absolutely essential and is about a million times more essential than going to a gym or to the barber.

Says you. The Hairdresser and her kids might disagree. Look, I want schools open. Open schools mean normalcy. They mean parents are free to go to work. They are not even close to being essential. Kids can learn from books. Kids can learn from Kahn academy. Kids can learn from TV. Kids can learn from home projects. Since millions of kids are successfully being home schooled, a physical building can’t possibly be deemed essential.

Finally, schools, school busses and colleges are massive germ spreaders. Every bit As bad as concerts and sporting events — with fans. I say open up. Clearly, so do you. You just want to control which areas are more important than others by picking and choosing which ones are essential. It is BS and you either know it or are too dumb or hard-headed to realize it.

 

[PeetWeet1]

Homeschool kids usually do well but that is because usually if your mom decides not to have a career so she can teach you, it shows how serious about education she and any parent that is THAT serious about education is going to have high achieving kids no matter the school or the setting. Any kid can get some homework and learn things. Its being in a classroom setting with peers, listening to instruction that is essential for an adolescent or pre-adolescent child. That is irreplaceable. These kids cannot "redshirt" like a college student can.

Not true at all. For many homeschooled kids, the added freedom is essential. While many are smart to start with, they would often be very stunted going to their local schools. This is especially true for smart kids in rural communities with tiny high schools.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Many older people do very well like the 108 yr old who had Covid and said it was like the flu. Some don't due to underlying health conditions so they should protect themselves. Noone should expect the country to shutdown because they have Corona virus risk. Noone!

108-year-old New Jersey woman who lived through Spanish flu survives coronavirus


The country cant be shutdown for your concern. Its a concern, like other concerns it should be managed, which FL did very well regarding seniors. The Villages a senior housing development did great.
Because FL managed the Corona Virus situation.

Its been pointed out to you a few times. Yet you keep on posting this BS re: Fla and nursing homes. They’re having problems too and haven’t managed it well. But I’m sure you’ll keep lying.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.su...lpreznijk5roajacwae-story.html?outputType=amp

“Nursing homes have been hit especially hard by coronavirus-related illnesses. According to state figures that were updated on Saturday, 875 deaths have been reported at nursing homes, accounting for 45 percent of the 1,964 total deaths in Florida.”

 

[cashisking884]

Why do people not understand you can flatten the curve and decline deaths. Western Europe did both. We flattened the curves. But cases and deaths arent declining

I understand that. I said that in the post you’re quoting.

But with a policy of shut down to flatten the curve, you would not expect a massive death rate. That’s the point of that policy. And outside of NY, it worked.
So one would not expect a massive decline in America in death rate, because our death rate was never massively high to begin with. At some point it just...flattens. Compared to a country like Italy that just initially had bodies lining the streets essentially. Of course their rate is going to decline.

 

[lilspainishflea]

Well said. I just don’t get the high aversion to a mask. People can be part of the solution or part of the problem. It’s troubling that so many refuse to be part of such a simple thing to try to get this and keep it tamped down. Is it a panacea? Of course not. But every little bit will help.

The same people who are demanding that we "open up and go back to normal" are also the ones refusing to take any kind of reasonable precaution like social distancing or wearing a mask.

 

[jivecat]

The same people who are demanding that we "open up and go back to normal" are also the ones refusing to take any kind of reasonable precaution like social distancing or wearing a mask.

Maybe some...but I would not put them all in that group. I would put myself in the "open up" camp but but would also urge masks and social distancing when possible. In fact....I would urge masks for the next year along with staggered class times with smaller classes with the option (perhaps a discount) to take an online class. I would require contact tracing for all college kids and people who live in high density areas. If there is going to be a another breakout...it is going to occur in a city or a college. Nursing homes should continue to be on lock down until the R naught factor is well under 1.

 

[FallingRun84]

Generally speaking I think people are wearing mask. I think I have seen one person not wading a mask in a retails store. I assume she had some underlying reason she was not wearing, but I also think she was using it to her full advantage. She seemed to be walking around with an air of superiority. As far as wearing a mask as your driving down the road in your car, or out walking, seems extreme to me.
I just don’t get Wolf and the lack of communicating on the path to open up. Very arrogant and seems to enjoy the power just too much. Criteria seems to be changing. I thought when they announced Red-Yellow-Green there were criteria to progress. They seem to be irrelevant now.

 

[cashisking884]

The same people who are demanding that we "open up and go back to normal" are also the ones refusing to take any kind of reasonable precaution like social distancing or wearing a mask.

Nobody is arguing everything just “go back to normal.” Nobody.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I understand that. I said that in the post you’re quoting.

But with a policy of shut down to flatten the curve, you would not expect a massive death rate. That’s the point of that policy. And outside of NY, it worked.
So one would not expect a massive decline in America in death rate, because our death rate was never massively high to begin with. At some point it just...flattens. Compared to a country like Italy that just initially had bodies lining the streets essentially. Of course their rate is going to decline.

You still don't get it. Italy, which had a massive death rate initially (far higher than the US even at its peak) has DRASTICALLY reduced it while the US really hasnt reduced much at all. For example, yesterday, .00047% of Americans died from COVID (1552) while only .00027% of Italians died from COVID (162). Italy was hit first and they were crushed. The US had the luxury of going "second" and weren't hit nearly as bad initially as a nation but our daily death rate has remained fairly steady throughout while Italy has had a very steep decline. On Italy's worst day (March 27), .00141% of the country died (919). On the US's worst day (April 26), .00082% died (2683). So while the US declined from .00082% at its peak to .00047% yesterday, Italy fell much more drastically from .00141% to .00027%. It is very clear that the US is "losing" vs Western Europe and that's ashame as we are the richest country in the history of the world with the greatest health system in the world (we are told).

 

[PITTF2]

You still don't get it. Italy, which had a massive death rate initially (far higher than the US even at its peak) has DRASTICALLY reduced it while the US really hasnt reduced much at all. For example, yesterday, .00047% of Americans died from COVID (1552) while only .00027% of Italians died from COVID (162). Italy was hit first and they were crushed. The US had the luxury of going "second" and weren't hit nearly as bad initially as a nation but our daily death rate has remained fairly steady throughout while Italy has had a very steep decline. On Italy's worst day (March 27), .00141% of the country died (919). On the US's worst day (April 26), .00082% died (2683). So while the US declined from .00082% at its peak to .00047% yesterday, Italy fell much more drastically from .00141% to .00027%. It is very clear that the US is "losing" vs Western Europe and that's ashame as we are the richest country in the history of the world with the greatest health system in the world (we are told).

You don't get it this is America.

The US didn't have a true lockdown like Europe did. Its easy to lockdown people who have had less freedom over the years than Americans. These people are not far removed from communism.
They follow government orders, Americans tend to reject that premise.
Europe flew drones over cities looking for people in the streets while Americans weren't home they were out all over the place.
You're comparing different time frames.
Europe has less what you would call nursing homes, elderly live in the family house with the family.
The US has lots of nuring homes and senior care facilities.
You comparison is apples and organges, and throw in a lemon which is you!

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You don't get it this is America.

The US didn't have a true lockdown like Europe did. Its easy to lockdown people who have had less freedom over the years than Americans. These people are not far removed from communism.
They follow government orders, Americans tend to reject that premise.
Europe flew drones over cities looking for people in the streets while Americans weren't home they were out all over the place.
You're comparing different time frames.
Europe has less what you would call nursing homes, elderly live in the family house with the family.
The US has lots of nuring homes and senior care facilities.
You comparison is apples and organges, and throw in a lemon which is you!

You are correct. Europeans value life while Americans do not.

Give us Liberty AND Give us Death

The Party of Your Parents Must Die for Our Money.

The USA's Death March to 300,000 by Election Day keeps rolling.

 

[lilspainishflea]

Nobody is arguing everything just “go back to normal.” Nobody.

Aren't you one of the people accusing others of "rooting for the virus?"