Florida NIL debacle

[Pitt79]

Using the Pitt Panthers name, logo, and colors would still be helpful marketing for the university, high levels of success would still have a major impact on the university.

But I wouldn't give it to them for free, I'd want something significant, like a big cut of their TV money. I'd want the school to profit big time and hopefully benefit the actual students which is the REAL REASON they started universities in the first place, F the football team and F the players, PAY ME MINE! Is how I'd think if I was the university, see if you can fill up Acrisure calling it the Maulers or the Pirates. The name, colors and logos will draw fans, The university should demand a big cut.

 

[pittdan77]

I like how Pitt has elevated many of it's sports programs to a point where they are nationally relevant or even elite and we have folks loudly wanting to flush it all down the toilet because....well, haven't quite figured that one out.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I like how Pitt has elevated many of it's sports programs to a point where they are nationally relevant or even elite and we have folks loudly wanting to flush it all down the toilet because....well, haven't quite figured that one out.

Well you have to remember that there are Pitt fans, one who posts here using a former basketball player's name in his handle as a noteworthy example, who think that if Pitt is good in soccer they can't also be good in basketball, and if they are good in volleyball they can't also be good in football. Wins are a zero sum game and we only have so many of them to spread around among all the teams.

 

[pafootballguy]

Well you have to remember that there are Pitt fans, one who posts here using a former basketball player's name in his handle as a noteworthy example, who think that if Pitt is good in soccer they can't also be good in basketball, and if they are good in volleyball they can't also be good in football. Wins are a zero sum game and we only have so many of them to spread around among all the teams.

It is not a zero sum game but how much bigger could the recruiting staff be and how many more analysts could they have if they had an extra 500K that was moved from none revenue sports to football?

It is true that an extra 250K for volleyball does more for that program than it would for football but when working within a budget how and where money is spent shows up in the records.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It is not a zero sum game but how much bigger could the recruiting staff be and how many more analysts could they have if they had an extra 500K that was moved from none revenue sports to football?

It is true that an extra 250K for volleyball does more for that program than it would for football but when working within a budget how and where money is spent shows up in the records.

The problems with Pitt football have basically nothing to do with not enough money. Pitt football has more than enough money to do just about whatever they need to.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The problems with Pitt football have basically nothing to do with not enough money. Pitt football has more than enough money to do just about whatever they need to.

They dont have enough NIL money. All assets need to be directed to that. I read today that Narduzzi complained that Utah flipped a WR from us due to NIL. Utah. I was a few months late getting that memo but I barely pay attention to football recruiting.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

They dont have enough NIL money. All assets need to be directed to that. I read today that Narduzzi complained that Utah flipped a WR from us due to NIL. Utah. I was a few months late getting that memo but I barely pay attention to football recruiting.

Which, of course, has nothing at all to do with what the school is spending.

You, however, could help out in that regard. So I'm assuming that you've made a big donation to one of the collectives.

 

[Ski11585]

They dont have enough NIL money. All assets need to be directed to that. I read today that Narduzzi complained that Utah flipped a WR from us due to NIL. Utah. I was a few months late getting that memo but I barely pay attention to football recruiting.

If you spent 1/30 the amount of time organizing Pitt NIL efforts as you do whining about NIL we’d be right up there with A&M.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Which, of course, has nothing at all to do with what the school is spending.

You, however, could help out in that regard. So I'm assuming that you've made a big donation to one of the collectives.

Everything needs to go into the pay for play salary pool, directly or indirectly. You think the NCAA cares? Every single penny needs invested in football and men's basketball. These players all need competitive salaries.

 

[Pitt79]

Everything needs to go into the pay for play salary pool, directly or indirectly. You think the NCAA cares? Every single penny needs invested in football and men's basketball. These players all need competitive salaries.

Are you paying? Personally, I'm not giving money to some kid, who may be a future millionaire, who gets a full ride and free room and board., I'd rather the sports teams suck than ME PAY them money. I would donate a few bucks to a fund for regular non-athlete students to help them pay their crushing student debt. The whole idea of ME GIVING MY MONEY to these SUPER PRIVILEGED kids is offensive.

 

[pittdan77]

It is not a zero sum game but how much bigger could the recruiting staff be and how many more analysts could they have if they had an extra 500K that was moved from none revenue sports to football?

It is true that an extra 250K for volleyball does more for that program than it would for football but when working within a budget how and where money is spent shows up in the records.

I generally agree with the last sentence but it's not like treating all of the non-revenue sports like unwanted step-children is going to have any affect on football spending. The reason Penn State spends tons of money on football recruiting is because they have a fanbase with open checkbooks, not because they ignore non-revenue programs. They seem to manage to have an elite 8 volleyball program and a huge recruiting budget.

 

[Upg bobcat]

I generally agree with the last sentence but it's not like treating all of the non-revenue sports like unwanted step-children is going to have any affect on football spending. The reason Penn State spends tons of money on football recruiting is because they have a fanbase with open checkbooks, not because they ignore non-revenue programs. They seem to manage to have an elite 8 volleyball program and a huge recruiting budget.

Penn State also has the largest alumni base of every single school in the NCAA ... that has to help finances for all sports, given that donations are a major part of funding athletic departments.

 

[pafootballguy]

I generally agree with the last sentence but it's not like treating all of the non-revenue sports like unwanted step-children is going to have any affect on football spending. The reason Penn State spends tons of money on football recruiting is because they have a fanbase with open checkbooks, not because they ignore non-revenue programs. They seem to manage to have an elite 8 volleyball program and a huge recruiting budget.

Admittedly only did about 1 minute of research but Penn State's athletic budget is $58 million higher than Pitt's. Penn State does have 12 more varsity teams but that still allows them to spend more across the board and somewhere in the area of $17 million on football.

Someone in the know or who has more time could compare that to other ACC schools.

 

[pittdan77]

Admittedly only did about 1 minute of research but Penn State's athletic budget is $58 million higher than Pitt's. Penn State does have 12 more varsity teams but that still allows them to spend more across the board and somewhere in the area of $17 million on football.

Someone in the know or who has more time could compare that to other ACC schools.

That can't be right. A couple of years ago, reports had Pitt is spending around $32 million on football while taking in $37 million and it's probably up since then.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Maybe the money was pledged by SBF....."You've been FTX'd"

Cruzer

Sam Bankrupt-Fraud.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Everything needs to go into the pay for play salary pool, directly or indirectly. You think the NCAA cares? Every single penny needs invested in football and men's basketball. These players all need competitive salaries.

So how much money have you committed?

 

[Pitt79]

So how much money have you committed?

That's what I asked him? No answer yet?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That's what I asked him? No answer yet?

$0 so far. I will donate to it when I actually hear about positive things that they are doing. Its all a big secret. I want to know where my money is going. And what their plans are. Mothereffing Rutgers has just released something. When Pitt does this, I'll donate:

Rutgers-focused NIL collective says every football, basketball player will sign NIL deal in 2023

The Knights of the Raritan, an NIL collective that supports Rutgers athletes, made a major announcement on Tuesday.

www.nj.com

I want to donate to a pay for play salary fund. When it is confirmed that's what this is and the fund is actually soliciting donors and I see Project 412 stuff everywhere, then I'll donate. Currently, I have 0 trust in Pitt to do this right.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

$0 so far.

You didn't really have to say it. We already knew.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You didn't really have to say it. We already knew.

And neither have you or anyone else because Pitt is keeping it secret as if they dont want anyone to donate so it doesn't take away from Panther Club

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

And neither have you or anyone else because Pitt is keeping it secret as if they dont want anyone to donate so it doesn't take away from Panther Club

The difference between you and I is that I am not out here saying that we need to be doing pay for play yesterday. You are. And you could do something about that, but you chose not to.

Because that's how you roll.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The difference between you and I is that I am not out here saying that we need to be doing pay for play yesterday. You are. And you could do something about that, but you chose not to.

Because that's how you roll.

Yea, I'll admit it. I have said I'll donate to an organized pay for play salary pool like other schools have. Pitt isnt interested in doing this so I'm not paying. When they finally get their act together, I will. There's no reason Rutgers is beating us at this

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

There's no reason Rutgers is beating us at this

Sure there is. It's because of people like you, who refuse to put their money where their mouth is.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Sure there is. It's because of people like you, who refuse to put their money where their mouth is.

And you

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

If you feel bad you’re shortchanging the non-revenue sports by eschewing donations to the university athletic fund in lieu of donating to pay for play NILs, don’t be.

Football and basketball pay the bills; they are the sole reasons the school is in one of the wealthiest conferences, and their success lifts the boats of all those other sports.

Donating directly to the school (assuming like many it’s your only donation of the type), unless you are a Tepper, your 3 or 4 figure donation to volleyball, Lacrosse etc is not going to have as much positive impact to those sports. It feels nice, but that’s all.

Whereas, collection of ALL sports donation money into a football/hoops pay for play collective, and channeling it directly to the best football and basketball players to come to Pitt WILL have significant impact on volleyball and lacrosse.

The added revenue to be derived from the success of those teams will go much, much further than your isolated individual little donation to the non revenue sport.

But might the collective be a sham, rife with corruption risk, no accountability, etc etc…yeah. Totally.

But, the schools made this situation.

It’s tawdry and dirty but much like having to embrace so many transfers that pooped in Pitt’s mouth 3 years ago, you might hate it but you have to put perceived and real negative feelings into perspective, and to be smart about it. It feels better to cut a check with the school name on it to go to chick volleyball, but far far more impactful that your token money gets added together with hundreds of others to entice in a world class WR. It’s too bad but that’s where it is.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If you feel bad you’re shortchanging the non-revenue sports by eschewing donations to the university athletic fund in lieu of donating to pay for play NILs, don’t be.

Football and basketball pay the bills; they are the sole reasons the school is in one of the wealthiest conferences, and their success lifts the boats of all those other sports.

Donating directly to the school (assuming like many it’s your only donation of the type), unless you are a Tepper, your 3 or 4 figure donation to volleyball, Lacrosse etc is not going to have as much positive impact to those sports. It feels nice, but that’s all.

Whereas, collection of ALL sports donation money into a football/hoops pay for play collective, and channeling it directly to the best football and basketball players to come to Pitt WILL have significant impact on volleyball and lacrosse.

The added revenue to be derived from the success of those teams will go much, much further than your isolated individual little donation to the non revenue sport.

But might the collective be a sham, rife with corruption risk, no accountability, etc etc…yeah. Totally.

But, the schools made this situation.

It’s tawdry and dirty but much like having to embrace so many transfers that pooped in Pitt’s mouth 3 years ago, you might hate it but you have to put perceived and real negative feelings into perspective, and to be smart about it. It feels better to cut a check with the school name on it to go to chick volleyball, but far far more impactful that your token money gets added together with hundreds of others to entice in a world class WR. It’s too bad but that’s where it is.

I believe that Pitt is not pushing/advertise a pay for play NIL because they are afraid Panther Club donations will go down. And they would. But the game has changed. The PC is obsolete. Fans have to pay the players and the general university fund has to fund lacrosse and volleyball.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

I believe that Pitt is not pushing/advertise a pay for play NIL because they are afraid Panther Club donations will go down. And they would. But the game has changed. The PC is obsolete. Fans have to pay the players and the general university fund has to fund lacrosse and volleyball.

Sad to say but this is true, all of it. Pitt prioritizes the wrong sports. There’s PR and “feel good” reason for it, I get it, Pitt is desperately liberal, and as an urban school amid multiple ghettos, I get it. But the irony is that great football and basketball would heartily pay for those sports far better than the coins in the jar they are getting directly for them from PC donations. And THE SCHOOLS (including Pitt) CREATED THIS SITUATION, so Pitt should be actively engaged in it, no matter how Unwoke it is or whatever else their hangups are about it.

 

[CrazyPaco]

If you feel bad you’re shortchanging the non-revenue sports by eschewing donations to the university athletic fund in lieu of donating to pay for play NILs, don’t be.

Football and basketball pay the bills; they are the sole reasons the school is in one of the wealthiest conferences, and their success lifts the boats of all those other sports.

Donating directly to the school (assuming like many it’s your only donation of the type), unless you are a Tepper, your 3 or 4 figure donation to volleyball, Lacrosse etc is not going to have as much positive impact to those sports. It feels nice, but that’s all.

Whereas, collection of ALL sports donation money into a football/hoops pay for play collective, and channeling it directly to the best football and basketball players to come to Pitt WILL have significant impact on volleyball and lacrosse.

The added revenue to be derived from the success of those teams will go much, much further than your isolated individual little donation to the non revenue sport.

But might the collective be a sham, rife with corruption risk, no accountability, etc etc…yeah. Totally.

But, the schools made this situation.

It’s tawdry and dirty but much like having to embrace so many transfers that pooped in Pitt’s mouth 3 years ago, you might hate it but you have to put perceived and real negative feelings into perspective, and to be smart about it. It feels better to cut a check with the school name on it to go to chick volleyball, but far far more impactful that your token money gets added together with hundreds of others to entice in a world class WR. It’s too bad but that’s where it is.

Well, I can tell you one of the biggest donors at Pitt, who has his name on a variety of athletic items around campus, seems to disagree about the impact of individual donations to Olympic sports. He would tell anyone, and has done so publicly, that a donations directly to non-revenue sports generally have a larger impact on those sports than if the equivalent amount is donated to a general fund or to football or men's basketball.

That is not to say football or men's basketball shouldn't be the athletic department's primary focus because it is 100% true that if they aren't successful, it negatively impacts the entire athletic department. There is no misunderstanding in any athletic department about that, and Pitt has clearly embraced NIL. We are talking about individuals' donations which may have an outsized % effect on a particular Olympic sport's comparative budgets compared to peer competitors; e.g. an individual's $10K donation can have a much larger impact on an Olympic sport compared to the comparative effect it may have on football.

But, it is really up to the interest of the donor. If they are only interested in football, well then they should just donate to football-related purposes.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

Well, I can tell you one of the biggest donors at Pitt, who has his name on a variety of athletic items around campus, seems to disagree about the impact of individual donations to Olympic sports. He would tell anyone, and has done so publicly, that a donations directly to non-revenue sports generally have a larger impact on those sports than if the equivalent amount is donated to a general fund or to football or men's basketball.

That is not to say football or men's basketball shouldn't be the athletic department's primary focus because it is 100% true that if they aren't successful, it negatively impacts the entire athletic department. There is no misunderstanding in any athletic department about that. We are talking about individuals' donations which may have an outsized % effect on those sport's comparative budgets compared to peer competitors; e.g. an individual's $10K donation can have a much larger impact on an Olympic sport compared to the comparative effect it may have on football.

But, it is really up to the interest of the donor. If they are only interested in football, well then they should just donate to football-related purposes.

As I wrote, it would take a mega donor to really matter for a non-revenue sport donation.

I think the current system that the schools created for themselves (stressing this again) stinks. To avoid a shot in the butt, they are shooting themselves in each foot. Pay For Play seems incredibly sleazy. Like prohibition resulting in the mob taking over booze distribution.

But again the schools created this. Maybe they saw no choice, and frankly maybe they didn’t have any. Making athletes employees, maybe that would be the final nail in many coffins including ours, especially if clamp downs on external payola didn’t accompany it.

But dam, all the NIL fiascos like the OT (and just think how many we’re not hearing about) should be rattling cages all the way to Congress (and if Congress can waste it’s time with nonsense like Taylor Swift tickets, the massive screw job of college sports certainly is valid).

 

[cashisking884]

There’s no demand to take it to up in Congress.

The southern states are just further cementing their dominance with NIL. Since they are the wins willing to pay.

And blue state liberal Congressmen that hate football aren’t demanding that regulation is needed to stop young black males from getting paid at the expense of the white male plantation owners.

Ticketmaster at least had some demand. Everybody hates the enormous fees, across all states.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

There’s no demand to take it to up in Congress.

The southern states are just further cementing their dominance with NIL. Since they are the wins willing to pay.

And blue state liberal Congressmen that hate football aren’t demanding that regulation is needed to stop young black males from getting paid at the expense of the white male plantation owners.

Ticketmaster at least had some demand. Everybody hates the enormous fees, across all states.

look I agree, neither situation requires congressional involvement (they F everything up anyway). But concert ticket buyers are hardly victims. They are the opposite of victims. They have so much discretionary income that they can afford to blow it on wasteful crap like concerts. Why are they getting high level protection? Make it a regular antitrust thing like any other business, go through the process… but prioritize the importance. Go after things that are really impacting lives. Not that it costs $300 instead of $250 for a ticket to see Rizzo or Lezzo or whatever it is. The fact that thing has a system in place to exist and make a living should be taken as victory enough.

As for the abuses of NIL, it merely has legalized illegal recruiting payola (and the illegal stuff is still going on as well). Shouldn’t the north aka socialist reps want ALL the young black males (heck maybe even the white ones…nah) to get remuneration?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Well, I can tell you one of the biggest donors at Pitt, who has his name on a variety of athletic items around campus, seems to disagree about the impact of individual donations to Olympic sports. He would tell anyone, and has done so publicly, that a donations directly to non-revenue sports generally have a larger impact on those sports than if the equivalent amount is donated to a general fund or to football or men's basketball.

That is not to say football or men's basketball shouldn't be the athletic department's primary focus because it is 100% true that if they aren't successful, it negatively impacts the entire athletic department. There is no misunderstanding in any athletic department about that, and Pitt has clearly embraced NIL. We are talking about individuals' donations which may have an outsized % effect on a particular Olympic sport's comparative budgets compared to peer competitors; e.g. an individual's $10K donation can have a much larger impact on an Olympic sport compared to the comparative effect it may have on football.

But, it is really up to the interest of the donor. If they are only interested in football, well then they should just donate to football-related purposes.

I tend to agree that a dollar donated to lacrosse helps lacrosse than a dollar donated to football helps lacrosse. However, Olympic Sports cannot and should not be part of any decisions. They exist solely because they "have to" so football and basketball can be in a good conference. I am glad they are doing well and I have become a big fan of the soccer program but they all lose money and thus, limited resources should go into them.

As for the pay for play NIL, you couldn't even donate to it a few months ago. I posted on here that I was on their website, which looked like a middle school student made as part of a school project, and there was no place to donate and very little info about it. This was AFTER Jordan Addison left so you'd think they would want to get the ball rolling. Funny enough, like a week later I checked, and they had the donate function so someone must have read my post. But they arent pushing it. I honestly cant even remember the name of it. Project 412??? Yet I know WVU's name "Country Roads Trust" because you see that come up in articles especially around Rodney Gallagher. Pitt should be pumping this 412 collective all the time. They should be advertising on this site, handing out jerseys at games, inviting fans to a 412 night where they can meet athletes, etc. But they do none of that because Pitt doesn't want to be in this business but Narduzzi will complain that USC and Utah are using NIL to recruit. EVERYONE IS. Except Pitt.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

I tend to agree that a dollar donated to lacrosse helps lacrosse than a dollar donated to football helps lacrosse. However, Olympic Sports cannot and should not be part of any decisions. They exist solely because they "have to" so football and basketball can be in a good conference. I am glad they are doing well and I have become a big fan of the soccer program but they all lose money and thus, limited resources should go into them.

As for the pay for play NIL, you couldn't even donate to it a few months ago. I posted on here that I was on their website, which looked like a middle school student made as part of a school project, and there was no place to donate and very little info about it. This was AFTER Jordan Addison left so you'd think they would want to get the ball rolling. Funny enough, like a week later I checked, and they had the donate function so someone must have read my post. But they arent pushing it. I honestly cant even remember the name of it. Project 412??? Yet I know WVU's name "Country Roads Trust" because you see that come up in articles especially around Rodney Gallagher. Pitt should be pumping this 412 collective all the time. They should be advertising on this site, handing out jerseys at games, inviting fans to a 412 night where they can meet athletes, etc. But they do none of that because Pitt doesn't want to be in this business but Narduzzi will complain that USC and Utah are using NIL to recruit. EVERYONE IS. Except Pitt.

Agreed with all but the first sentence. Great football would pay all the bills. Not just for these non revenue sports, but extended from the late 70s and 80s as it should have been, would have paid for a new on campus stadium, a basketball arena, possibly even the light rail line that Oakland should have gotten. Get enough political grunt through popularity of massive football success, Pitt could even have gotten the muscle to clear out more of the slums of southern Oakland. It’s almost cause to weep how badly Pitt was served by slamming down football. And it still continues to make the same bad decisions today.

Seismic changes are coming … heck, they’re here … to major college sports. Greed made it inevitable anyway, but it’s happening faster by these garbage shady tactics like NIL and player poaching and post season opt-outs and unlimited transfers; I know why Pitt is loathe to acknowledge it, but Pitt is going to be left in the cracks. And taking all these boutique sports down with it.

 

[Pitt79]

And neither have you or anyone else because Pitt is keeping it secret as if they dont want anyone to donate so it doesn't take away from Panther Club

I did admit that I'm never giving money to privileged athletes with full scholarships, room and board and potential millions in the future-for college students they are rich already. But you're wrong that Pitt doesn't have anything, there is a collective already, last year people would donate and get Slovis jerseys, or something like that.

But of course, I don't feel you have to donate to say anything you feel like saying. I'm old school, in the past rich guys would secretly buy players, regular people didn't donate money to these privileged rich kids.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I did admit that I'm never giving money to privileged athletes with full scholarships, room and board and potential millions in the future-for college students they are rich already. But you're wrong that Pitt doesn't have anything, there is a collective already, last year people would donate and get Slovis jerseys, or something like that.

But of course, I don't feel you have to donate to say anything you feel like saying. I'm old school, in the past rich guys would secretly buy players, regular people didn't donate money to these privileged rich kids.

Pitt has a collective. They just aren't trying to do anything with it. Nobody even knows about it. You are a Pitt fan. Do you even know what its called?

 

[Pitt79]

Pitt has a collective. They just aren't trying to do anything with it. Nobody even knows about it. You are a Pitt fan. Do you even know what its called?

412 something right? I remember seeing it mentioned here and also on Facebook, that's about it.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

412 something right? I remember seeing it mentioned here and also on Facebook, that's about it.

The name of that collective should be burned into the memory of all Pitt fans and we should be bombarded by their messaging. At TO's at football/basketball games, emails, banner ads on here, mailers, etc. They aren’t trying because they dont want to be in that business.

 

[cashisking884]

look I agree, neither situation requires congressional involvement (they F everything up anyway). But concert ticket buyers are hardly victims. They are the opposite of victims. They have so much discretionary income that they can afford to blow it on wasteful crap like concerts. Why are they getting high level protection? Make it a regular antitrust thing like any other business, go through the process… but prioritize the importance. Go after things that are really impacting lives. Not that it costs $300 instead of $250 for a ticket to see Rizzo or Lezzo or whatever it is. The fact that thing has a system in place to exist and make a living should be taken as victory enough.

As for the abuses of NIL, it merely has legalized illegal recruiting payola (and the illegal stuff is still going on as well). Shouldn’t the north aka socialist reps want ALL the young black males (heck maybe even the white ones…nah) to get remuneration?

You’re missing the point.

Whether concert ticket buyers are or aren’t victims, is irrelevant. They perceive themselves as victims. And enough people see the add-on fees as exploitative to create demand.

Nobody cares about “illegal recruiting payola” except college football fans, within the context of the rules of the game.

The average person on the street has no opinion as to the morality of it. It’s simply a rule. Like two feet inbounds v. one foot inbounds.

And maybe liberals do what that as it relates to all football players.
But that’s not going to go the way you’re hoping.

Look at New Mexico. The state is apparently trying to pass a bill that will allow schools to directly facilitate NIL deals.

That will be the future before this “salary cap regulation” that reigns in the big boys and evens the playing field.

There’s just no demand right now for that world. It’s never happening.

 

[pittdan77]

I tend to agree that a dollar donated to lacrosse helps lacrosse than a dollar donated to football helps lacrosse. However, Olympic Sports cannot and should not be part of any decisions. They exist solely because they "have to" so football and basketball can be in a good conference. I am glad they are doing well and I have become a big fan of the soccer program but they all lose money and thus, limited resources should go into them.

That's like going to buy a sports car and asking them to put lawn chairs in it because you just want to go fast.

Quit being argumentative for the sake of it. Just makes you look dumb.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Just makes you look dumb.

Of all people to say that