Florida NIL debacle
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It's as if some people simply cannot wrap their heads around the concept that most people actually think that big time college football players SHOULD be paid, and therefore a system that facilitates that is far preferable to the previous system that made that against the rules. People see the schools making millions and the coaches making millions and the players, well, not, and they don't understand how anyone can think that is right.
The concert ticket thing bothers people because it's a monopoly that the government allowed to exist in exchange for certain changes to their business practices that has decided that it's more profitable to ignore the rules they agreed to play by than it is to follow them. College football isn't a monopoly, or anything close to it. The schools are, for the most part, free to make whatever rules they want. Except the ones that clearly and obviously violated federal law.
Make players employees, negotiate a collective bargaining agreement with the players, and this all ends. Right that very second, it ends. The schools don't want that. The schools, in fact, prefer the way things are now to doing that. If this is what the schools want then this is what you are going to get.
Until the lose in court the next time, and are forced into more changes.
It’s a shame Pitt isn’t promoting Alliance412 on their website.
Oh wait…. https://pittsburghpanthers.com/sports/2021/6/29/name-image-and-likeness.aspx
Well good thing they didn’t tweet about it with a video of Lyke specifically referencing Alliance 412…
Wait…
That video they did was the very 1st time Pitt even acknowledged its existence. Like they were forced to or something. There's no signage at the games. No commercials for it during TOs. No booths set up handing out brochures. They arent trying and you know that. They're doing the bare minimum. We should all be bombarded with Alliance 412 info.
Look man. Just be honest. Say you don’t care enough to contribute and that you just want this to be a flavor of the month thing to whine about.
It will be refreshing compared to whatever scramble goal post moving you’ll be doing every time someone proves you wrong.
It’s been very public and very advertised
You’re a goofball
For someone who is perpetually online - you sure don’t pay much attention to anything .
Just spouting off at the mouth detached from reality like a boring broken down drunk at the bar that everybody finds annoying
Huh? I didn’t say they would eliminate programs, I just said they may have lower budgets. Do you think because of Title IX, Alabama’s women’s tennis team has the same budget as the football team?
And I said that video they did in early January was the one and only time they've promoted it. I went to every football game but URI and didnt see one promo for it on the jumbotron. I've gone to about half the basketball games and never seen a promo. I've also never seen an Alliance 412 with reps passing out info and recruiting donors. They simply arent trying and you know that. Narduzzi is complaining Utah of all teams flipped a kid due to NIL. Why cant we pay more than Utah. I know, its my fault yet none of you donate either. And why dont we? Because Pitt doesnt want us to. They dont want to be in this game. They know PC donations will drop significantly. We should be getting bombarded by emails everyday to donate to this thing. But it exists simply to check a box.
It is against NCAA rules to use NIL in recruiting. You are supposed to have to do wink and nod deals. This is an actual contract to recruit a player to a school. This is like Death Penalty stuff. How can they look the other way on this. Florida should be made an example of. If you want to use NIL in recruiting, it has to be shady secret stuff.
Not really, nobody cares.
"Someone with one of the best corners in the nation (in high school) came to me and asked if we’d pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here. I told him he can find another place to play," Saban said, according to Baker High School coach Steve Normand. "I’m not paying a kid a bunch of NIL money before he earns it."
"One of them wanted $500,000 and for us to get his girlfriend into law school at Alabama and pay for it. I showed him the door," Saban reportedly said.
Alabama's Nick Saban rejected 2 players who were searching for $1.3 million combined in NIL money: report
The Alabama Crimson Tide football team lost a top recruit and a starter due to hefty requests for NIL money, head coach Nick Saban reportedly said.
So now we're quoting the secondary info provided by a HS coach? Guess that gives Saban cover when we find out it's BS.Not really, nobody cares.
"Someone with one of the best corners in the nation (in high school) came to me and asked if we’d pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here. I told him he can find another place to play," Saban said, according to Baker High School coach Steve Normand. "I’m not paying a kid a bunch of NIL money before he earns it."
"One of them wanted $500,000 and for us to get his girlfriend into law school at Alabama and pay for it. I showed him the door," Saban reportedly said.
Alabama's Nick Saban rejected 2 players who were searching for $1.3 million combined in NIL money: report
The Alabama Crimson Tide football team lost a top recruit and a starter due to hefty requests for NIL money, head coach Nick Saban reportedly said.www.foxnews.com
Number one rule of recruiting. Everything you read or hear has some level of BS attached to it.
If you look at the contract that was signed it says nothing about the University of Florida, it does say that he has to live in Gainesville. It purposefully stayed away from specifics and gives UF an easy defense.
People can't be dumb enough to think that if Nick Saban thought those guys could help him win a championship that he'd have turned them down, can they? I mean it's Alabama for god's sake. They have been paying players for a lot longer than anyone ever heard of the term "NIL".
It's just like Jim Boehiem's rant from this weekend. It's not other schools paying NIL money that has them pissed off. It's that the system has changed, and the cheating that they did that helped them get to the top of their profession is no longer nearly so effective. And they don't like it.
You mean you don’t think all these top players especially feom
Philly just really wanted to spend time up in Syracuse New York ?!?
It's a toss up as to whether I'd rather spend time in Syracuse, New York or Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Probably Syracuse in the summer time and Tuscaloosa in the winter time.
Doesn't matter. Pre-NIL, if a Florida booster had a recruit sign a contract like that, it would be a major violation. That part of NIL hasn't changed. You still can't use it in recruiting. Really, any booster contact with a recruit is still technically a major violation. They have to still be secretive about this.
What makes it a violation? There is nothing in that contract about playing football or pay for play, we may all know that it is pay for play but it is not written down.
I have no doubt these guys talk about it, and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he said that. Apparently it was a question and answer session at a convention and multiple people mentioned it. The point of my post was that coaches are 100% involved and it doesn't matter if they are. There are no rules.
Nick Saban Calls Out Prospect And Transfer He Lost To NIL And NCAA Transfer Portal
Alabama football coach Nick Saban may have the top-ranked recruiting class in the nation, and he continues to do well in the NCAA Transfer Portal.
www.outkick.com
The contract is between a booster group and a recruit while he was a recruitable athlete. That's Death Penalty stuff. These booster groups cannot sign recruitable players. It has to be a secret promise and then when they enroll, they can sign.
It is between an athlete and an LLC and in that contract, there is zero discussion about playing for the University of Florida. It would be a violation if the contract said upon signing with UF we will pay x amount of dollars or if had performance based incentives.
NIL deals for high school athletes are legal in California.
This is the new reality of college football and you can either stop watching or get on board with it because it ain't going to change anytime soon no matter how much the coaches complain.
How is it even a contract if the booster club isn't even bound by it? If the contract has nothing to do with attending University of Florida, then they should owe him the money whether the kid plays for Florida or not, whether he attends Florida or not.
NIL has brought heretofore hidden payola to the top of the table, but what hasn’t changed is the hypocrisy.
50ish years ago a cheating sack of sh1t like Paterno whining his ass off when a fringe football program like ours dared to follow some of his tactics … paying players, specifically (not protecting pedophiles) … and gasp, occasionally had success at his expense.
Skip ahead to now, a cheating sack of sh1t like Bowheim is whining his ass off because a fringe basketball program like ours might have dared follow his tactics … paying players, specifically (despite that it’s legal now…and there’s not even proof these guys GOT any meaningful NIL) … and gasp, had some success at his expense.
The hypocrisy is disgusting.
50ish years ago a cheating sack of sh1t like Paterno whining his ass off when a fringe football program like ours dared to follow some of his tactics … paying players, specifically (not protecting pedophiles) … and gasp, occasionally had success at his expense.
Skip ahead to now, a cheating sack of sh1t like Bowheim is whining his ass off because a fringe basketball program like ours might have dared follow his tactics … paying players, specifically (despite that it’s legal now…and there’s not even proof these guys GOT any meaningful NIL) … and gasp, had some success at his expense.
The hypocrisy is disgusting.
Who owns the LLC? Yep, boosters. You are saying that a booster-owned LLC offering a HS kid millions of dollars just to live in Gainesville isn't an NCAA violation? Come on. It clearly is. Now, the NCAA wont do anything but it is very obviously a use of NIL in recruiting which is illegal. And the fact that this booster club could terminate the agreement at any time for any reason is more evidence that its tied to him playing for Florida because lets say he decided he still wanted to live in Gainesville but play for UCF, that gives them the out to terminate it.
That is why most don't start till the athlete is enrolled but if you look at the language it pretty much allowed or allows the collective to break the deal at any time. The biggest issue with Rashada is he had terrible representation that did him no favors and did little research into the Gator Collective.
There are two approaches to NIL right with some collectives being upfront and making offers before players are enrolled and others telling the athletes that they will be taken care of when they get on campus. In the long run, the second strategy will probably win out but NIL is so new that many schools, coaches, and other organizations are struggling with how to create a workable plan.
The NCAA is hamstrung on NIL because they dragged their feet and let states make the rules and there is no going back now.
Actually signing an NIL contract with a booster collective before enrolling or signing an LOI is the definition of "NIL being used in recruiting." At the very least, the NCAA has to enforce that and make them wait until they arrive on campus.
Why? They could claim they were still buying his NIL no matter what school he chose.
This, they make no reference to the University of Florida and the only enticement is you have live in Gainesville.
The NCAA is not going to fight this battle and die on the NIL hill
I'm not going at you. Just find it wild that we have an article using that as a source.I have no doubt these guys talk about it, and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he said that. Apparently it was a question and answer session at a convention and multiple people mentioned it. The point of my post was that coaches are 100% involved and it doesn't matter if they are. There are no rules.
Nick Saban Calls Out Prospect And Transfer He Lost To NIL And NCAA Transfer Portal
Alabama football coach Nick Saban may have the top-ranked recruiting class in the nation, and he continues to do well in the NCAA Transfer Portal.
Wonder if people on the Bama board call Saban classless or whiney when he speaks out about a kid he loses out on or is that just something that happens on our board?
DING DING DING....We have a winner.
It's all about this. God forbid the playing field levels out a little.
Almost like the people doing this are smarter about writing these things than some schmuck on a message board. Just weird they're trying to be underhanded about it after the NLI is signed.
Only difference between the NIL and the way it's been working is that a kid like Tebow doesn't need to have cash laundered through his dad's church to get the bag. I still don't believe the numbers but it's good to see these kids pushing back.
Because boosters arent allowed to participate in recruiting and this isn't a real company and the fact they can terminate the agreement at any time says (without saying) you have to play for UF. If the kid wanted to live in Gainesville but play for UCF, the contract would be terminated. This idea that you can put in there that they have to live in a certain city would never hold up in court, neither would any part of the contract really. And that's why these pay for play collectives should be outlawed. Listen, if Booster Billy Bob Ford wants to pay a player $5 million to show up once a month for autographs even though that's way higher than market value, ok, fine. But a booster group telling a player this isnt pay for play and you dont have to play for us, you just have to live in Gainesville and we'll pay you but we can terminate this at any time, that's absurd.
Yep. I remember last offseason when Saban went on that NIL rant and called out Deion and JSU, Texas A&M, and Miami.
Three teams that aren’t in the blue blood “this is ours and must be protected” network.
It’s the same reason why Ole Miss was the team that got slapped down, despite all of those players admitting that multiple SEC teams made them big offers.
They all tolerate it as long as you’re in the club. It’s when you’re not, that it’s a problem.
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