For some perspective- if The next guy succeeds at Pitt......

[thebadby2]

that coach will become a red hot commodity. Add that to the likelihood that the following jobs will become open in the next 5 or so years:

Duke
UNC
Syracuse
Michigan
MSU

I know, let’s atart with a good hire and worry about the rest later, but it’s just the reality of the situation.

 

[PantherO]

that coach will become a red hot commodity. Add that to the likelihood that the following jobs will become open in the next 5 or so years:

Duke
UNC
Syracuse
Michigan
MSU

I know, let’s atart with a good hire and worry about the rest later, but it’s just the reality of the situation.

I'm ok with the above. It hopefully means we are in a good place. Though, there is always the chance we follow that up with Stallings 2.0.

 

[Gep Dawg]

Man I would love to have a head coach who was getting interest from those schools. God that would be amazing!

 

[PittHOFs]

Now Pitt will have to compete with Louisville for a coach. Hiring someone into April will hurt any chance of landing any type of recruits in the late signing period. Pitt wasted a lot of time with Hurley. Should have aimed lower.

 

[TD_6082]

I'm ok with the above. It hopefully means we are in a good place. Though, there is always the chance we follow that up with Stallings 2.0.

Unless Pitt hires someone with the recruiting ability of Cal, who can flip a roster in a year, the next guy will fail if he is only given 2 years.

 

[thebadby2]

Now Pitt will have to compete with Louisville for a coach. Hiring someone into April will hurt any chance of landing any type of recruits in the late signing period. Pitt wasted a lot of time with Hurley. Should have aimed lower.

Pretty hard to criticize Pitt for going hard after the best guy who was realistically available.

 

[Fredact]

Should have aimed lower.

Or done a better sales job. Obviously Lyke failed at her first big assignment.

 

[PittHOFs]

Now Pitt will have to compete with Louisville for a coach. Hiring someone into April will hurt any chance of landing any type of recruits in the late signing period. Pitt wasted a lot of time with Hurley. Should have aimed lower.

Pretty hard to criticize Pitt for going hard after the best guy who was realistically available.

I don’t think Hurley was realistic even If UCONN Job wasn’t open. He would have received more money from RI and stayed another year. I was never high on Hurley. Oats is a better coach.

 

[ThePanthers]

Dixon got a lot of interest from a lot of schools every year and we kept him.

You can't worry about this stuff.

 

[Pitt79]

that coach will become a red hot commodity. Add that to the likelihood that the following jobs will become open in the next 5 or so years:

Duke
UNC
Syracuse
Michigan
MSU

I know, let’s atart with a good hire and worry about the rest later, but it’s just the reality of the situation.

Then PAY SEVERAL MILLION MORE than those teams when they come calling.

 

[Pitt79]

Now Pitt will have to compete with Louisville for a coach.

ASSURE them that they are free to do ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that coaches have done at Louisville in the past and going forward.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

Unless Pitt hires someone with the recruiting ability of Cal, who can flip a roster in a year, the next guy will fail if he is only given 2 years.

Depends on the criteria for what is expected in two years. I don't think the admin or Pitt fans are expecting an NCAA bid in two years. What they will expect is an upward trajectory and not another single digit win (with 0 ACC wins) team in season #2 (or even season #1).

Expectations would be for something like at least winning more than 10 games (with an ACC win or two) in season #1 and getting to around a 0.500 record in season #2, then maybe an NIT team (or close) in season #3. I doubt any reasonable fan would expect an NCAA bid (or bubble) team before season #4.

IMO, to meet that criteria, the new hire would need to convince the better 4-6 players from KS's roster not to transfer and then immediately bring in a few JUCO and grad transfers to upgrade the roster. That should be doable by a competent coach. That being done early would allow the coach to sell "we are headed upward" to potential quality freshmen recruits for the following season. This should be quite doable by a competent hire, IMO.

 

[upj87]

that coach will become a red hot commodity. Add that to the likelihood that the following jobs will become open in the next 5 or so years:

Duke
UNC
Syracuse
Michigan
MSU

I know, let’s atart with a good hire and worry about the rest later, but it’s just the reality of the situation.

the reality of the situation is that if the next guy really succeeds at Pitt in the ACC then Pitt will be part of that list.

 

[Fredact]

Depends on the criteria for what is expected in two years. I don't think the admin or Pitt fans are expecting an NCAA bid in two years. What they will expect is an upward trajectory and not another single digit win (with 0 ACC wins) team in season #2 (or even season #1).

Expectations would be for something like at least winning more than 10 games (with an ACC win or two) in season #1 and getting to around a 0.500 record in season #2, then maybe an NIT team (or close) in season #3. I doubt any reasonable fan would expect an NCAA bid (or bubble) team before season #4.

IMO, to meet that criteria, the new hire would need to convince the better 4-6 players from KS's roster not to transfer and then immediately bring in a few JUCO and grad transfers to upgrade the roster. That should be doable by a competent coach. That being done early would allow the coach to sell "we are headed upward" to potential quality freshmen recruits for the following season. This should be quite doable by a competent hire, IMO.

That’s a dismal view. If they are not sniffing at least an NIT bid in year 2, and a bubble Team in year three the guy is a failure. Despite what Stallings and his followers tell you, it doesn’t take that long.

 

[PantherO]

Or done a better sales job. Obviously Lyke failed at her first big assignment.

We wont know if Lyke failed for at least a couple of years after the new coach is hired.

 

[thebadby2]

I don’t think Hurley was realistic even If UCONN Job wasn’t open. He would have received more money from RI and stayed another year. I was never high on Hurley. Oats is a better coach.

Oats is a better coach? He has coached a whopping 3 years of college basketball, all at Buffalo.
He inherited a strong team coming of a NCAA appearance. Before that he coached Romulus high here in metro Detroit. Good H.S. program, never made it to a state champ game. Hurley had a rebuild job in a better league.

Oats may prove to be a good coach in the future. He is off to a good start. But other than one big win over a demoralized Arizona program, some fiery sound bites and tough talk, he hasn't proven $hit yet at the college level.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Yeah if Duke and UNC are looking at our coach, that would be amazing.
The real nightmare scenario is Todd Graham style: coach who actually DOESN'T do well here but still leaves quickly somehow.

 

[ScrantonicityIII]

Oats is a better coach? He has coached a whopping 3 years of college basketball, all at Buffalo.
He inherited a strong team coming of a NCAA appearance. Before that he coached Romulus high here in metro Detroit. Good H.S. program, never made it to a state champ game. Hurley had a rebuild job in a better league.

Oats may prove to be a good coach in the future. He is off to a good start. But other than one big win over a demoralized Arizona program, some fiery sound bites and tough talk, he hasn't proven $hit yet at the college level.

We may be forced to take a shot though. We are the ugliest dude in the bar right now. We ain't going home with a super model.

 

[pitt2533]

If we could only be so lucky.....

 

[giveitarest]

Or done a better sales job. Obviously Lyke failed at her first big assignment.

How did she fail? She went after him aggressively and he was always a UConn lean. Most on this board expected him to go there but we were hoping. Can't fight location and word seemed to be that he would have rather stayed in New Engalnd.

 

[thebadby2]

We may be forced to take a shot though. We are the ugliest dude in the bar right now. We ain't going home with a super model.

You're not wrong.

 

[TD_6082]

That’s a dismal view. If they are not sniffing at least an NIT bid in year 2, and a bubble Team in year three the guy is a failure. Despite what Stallings and his followers tell you, it doesn’t take that long.

Usually it does. Every situation is different. Injuries, unforseen circumstances can factor in.

Hurley, obviously the first choice, was under .500 after 4 seasons at RI. Jim Harrick provided a quicker fix and had a lot more success at RI. We need a coach that can recruit like that to really get back on track.

 

[zucca]

Or done a better sales job. Obviously Lyke failed at her first big assignment.

Failed?? The prick wanted to go to UCONN all along.

 

[TD_6082]

Failed?? The prick wanted to go to UCONN all along.

Everybody seemed to know that except Lyke. She seemed happy to provide Hurley with a bargaining chip.

 

[Internet Tough Guy]

If other teams want your coach, you're doing something right.

 

[jtownknowitall]

That’s a dismal view. If they are not sniffing at least an NIT bid in year 2, and a bubble Team in year three the guy is a failure. Despite what Stallings and his followers tell you, it doesn’t take that long.

BC went 7-11 in the conference then won two games in the ACC tournament and got itself an NIT bid just two years after going 0-19. BC, of course, didn't change coaches.

 

[upj87]

Failed?? The prick wanted to go to UCONN all along.

now he is a prick? hahaha

 

[zucca]

now he is a prick? hahaha

No, I just used that term as a "general" word. He's probably a decent guy who likes CT.

 

[PA Schlem]

I'm sorry but it's amazing how fickle so many people are being. There have been two strong camps on this site: one group all in for Danny Hurley and the other all in for Sean Miller. So what did Lyke do but pursue both candidates? She made an incredible offer to Danny Hurley and if he had accepted it this morning, we would all be doing cartwheels and celebrating next year's tournament bid already! She had talks with Sean Miller and it became clear that Pitt decided he was just too toxic to bring in. So now she's the devil incarnate and being blamed for both Pitt's decision and Hurley's decision. Now she's responsible for our desperation and disapproval when all she's done is pursue both candidates as most of us wanted her too. Negotiating with possible candidates in the social media era is ridiculous and people need to stop being so petty about their disappointment.

 

[BFo8]

Usually it does. Every situation is different. Injuries, unforseen circumstances can factor in.

Hurley, obviously the first choice, was under .500 after 4 seasons at RI. Jim Harrick provided a quicker fix and had a lot more success at RI. We need a coach that can recruit like that to really get back on track.

Jim Harrick makes Pitino look clean by comparison.

 

[TD_6082]

Jim Harrick makes Pitino look clean by comparison.

True dat. Just saying we need a coach who can play those games and be smart about it.

 

[zucca]

I'm sorry but it's amazing how fickle so many people are being. There have been two strong camps on this site: one group all in for Danny Hurley and the other all in for Sean Miller. So what did Lyke do but pursue both candidates? She made an incredible offer to Danny Hurley and if he had accepted it this morning, we would all be doing cartwheels and celebrating next year's tournament bid already! She had talks with Sean Miller and it became clear that Pitt decided he was just too toxic to bring in. So now she's the devil incarnate and being blamed for both Pitt's decision and Hurley's decision. Now she's responsible for our desperation and disapproval when all she's done is pursue both candidates as most of us wanted her too. Negotiating with possible candidates in the social media era is ridiculous and people need to stop being so petty about their disappointment.

I applaud her efforts. When's the last time an AD worked as hard?

 

[TD_istheman]

Everybody seemed to know that except Lyke. She seemed happy to provide Hurley with a bargaining chip.

All her past big time hires, she had them right where she wanted , oh wait......

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

BC, of course, didn't change coaches.

BC also, of course, already had the guy who was voted the second best player in the conference this year already on their roster.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Whomever gets the job their biggest hurdle will be finding those two or three special players to build the roster around . Holding them to some preordained schedule of doing this by this date is nonsense . Even if the few good players Pitt currently has stays they’re not good enough to compete in the ACC . Bringing in grad transfers might make next season a little better , but Pitt needs to be a lot better to attract the fans back to the Pete . Hurley ( scratch ) , Oats , Musselman whomever would get this job is going to struggle for the next yr or two patience is needed as is the right coach .

Depends on the criteria for what is expected in two years. I don't think the admin or Pitt fans are expecting an NCAA bid in two years. What they will expect is an upward trajectory and not another single digit win (with 0 ACC wins) team in season #2 (or even season #1).

Expectations would be for something like at least winning more than 10 games (with an ACC win or two) in season #1 and getting to around a 0.500 record in season #2, then maybe an NIT team (or close) in season #3. I doubt any reasonable fan would expect an NCAA bid (or bubble) team before season #4.

IMO, to meet that criteria, the new hire would need to convince the better 4-6 players from KS's roster not to transfer and then immediately bring in a few JUCO and grad transfers to upgrade the roster. That should be doable by a competent coach. That being done early would allow the coach to sell "we are headed upward" to potential quality freshmen recruits for the following season. This should be quite doable by a competent hire, IMO.

 

[h2p012]

Of that list, the only way Cuse is taking our coach is if the Coach in question has ties to Upstate New York or Syracuse. Same goes for MichSt and Michigan.

Only would have to worry about Duke and UNC, and those schools would get to pick from anyone in the country. They aren't just going to say "hey, that PITT coach is a must have! No one else, just him!"

 

[IamHeisenberg]

that coach will become a red hot commodity. Add that to the likelihood that the following jobs will become open in the next 5 or so years:

Duke
UNC
Syracuse
Michigan
MSU

I know, let’s atart with a good hire and worry about the rest later, but it’s just the reality of the situation.

Yes, and we will be paying the guy a great wage and the other schools will also be competing with that. Why do you think some schools aren't stepping stones? They pay their guy really well and they stay. We had a mercenary in the past, hopefully we choose more wisely.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

That's true. The likely jobs that are going to open up the next 7 years or so...

Duke, UNC, UK, Mich State, Syracuse, Michigan, Arizona, UCLA..................

That's alot of high high profile jobs.

Anyone care to take a stab right now??

Duke? Chris Collins?
UNC? Brad Stevens?
UK?
Mich State?
Syracuse? Mike Hopkins? GMac?
Arizona? Luke Walton? Josh Pastner?
UCLA?

 

[Ski11585]

That's true. The likely jobs that are going to open up the next 7 years or so...

Duke, UNC, UK, Mich State, Syracuse, Michigan, Arizona, UCLA..................

That's alot of high high profile jobs.

Anyone care to take a stab right now??

Duke? Chris Collins?
UNC? Brad Stevens?
UK?
Mich State?
Syracuse? Mike Hopkins? GMac?
Arizona? Luke Walton? Josh Pastner?
UCLA?

I'd be absolutely floored if Stevens left Boston. He's making way more money. His team is young and talented. It'd be a huge shocker.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Brad Stevens grew up in Indiana as a Larry Bird fan. He now has one of the two most legendary coaching jobs in all of basketball (Lakers being the other), with a great GM and a fan base who knows how good a coach he is. His team is young, talented, they have a lot of draft picks remaining, and they are well set up to be rivals with the Sixers in the post-Lebron era a few years down the road. There is no reason for him to leave now.