France. Holy hell and prayers....

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

What the heck is going on? Without identification, you and I know WHO or at least WHAT type of group is responsible for this. This is scary, ridiculous and it is time, it is time to reign in this friggin religion. I don't care that all are not guilty, and all are not guilty. It is time to deal with this. They want to take the world back into the stone ages, well it is time to make them part of the stone ages and history.

No longer excusing, no longer justifying, no longer tip toeing around. I watch Obama today and he is clearly shaken up, but I didn't see the outrage that many (most of us) are feeling. It is time for Obama to put on the big boy pants as leader of the Free Western world and forget Political Correctness and lead.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Oh and one other thing, I am looking at you Bill Peduto, I know you are a liberal and a Democrat amongst other things, it is time for these Liberals to stop and realize accepting these refugees can, will and are leading things to this. Stop being politically correct. Stop it. Lead us. Stop trying to be liberal and anti conservative in your positions just because you think you are supposed to.

 

[KTP]

Zelots cannot be reasoned with negotiated with or lived with. They need to be dealt with and destroyed. Period.

 

[ricflair4LIFE]

Zelots cannot be reasoned with negotiated with or lived with. They need to be dealt with and destroyed. Period.

The problem is ... how do you do that?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Absolutely. Unconditional surrender and defeat. There are no innocents with the ISIS community. Women, children, from 1 to 100 they all need eradicated. Not imprisoned. So in 5 years some do gooder will feel bad and demand their release and they become martyrs. They need eradicated. Indiscriminate eradication.

 

[ricflair4LIFE]

Absolutely. Unconditional surrender and defeat. There are no innocents with the ISIS community. Women, children, from 1 to 100 they all need eradicated. Not imprisoned. So in 5 years some do gooder will feel bad and demand their release and they become martyrs. They need eradicated. Indiscriminate eradication.

How do you accomplish that?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

How do you accomplish that?

I think you know. I think we all know.

 

[ratking17]

Yes. Nuke isis. Only solution obviously

 

[ricflair4LIFE]

I think you know. I think we all know.

If you're talking nuclear. We'll all be back in the stone age.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

How do you accomplish that?

I think you know. I think we all know.

If you're talking nuclear. We'll all be back in the stone age.

No of course not. I am talking about war, without rules, without worrying about what Anderson Cooper is going to report if we take out some women and children. I am talking about playing to win, and win. WIN. Not worrying about who is shooting at you, and if they shoot first. I am talking about how WWII type of strategies, without remorse.

 

[FreeportPanther]

I think you know. I think we all know.


No of course not. I am talking about war, without rules, without worrying about what Anderson Cooper is going to report if we take out some women and children. I am talking about playing to win, and win. WIN. Not worrying about who is shooting at you, and if they shoot first. I am talking about how WWII type of strategies, without remorse.

Well what's stopping you? Planes leave for the Middle East every day. We've been doing a lot of killing over there for years, how did that work out? You aren't proposing genocide against all Muslims are you? Sounds like it. How about the Muslim girl who won the peace prize? You offing her as well?

 

[CentPaPittFan]

Expect France to finally wake up after years of ass kissing. 2nd Foreign Legion Parachute is in Corsica...not all that far from middle east.......expect something from them somewhere in that area, very soon.

From the history of that unit.....win or lose....they will do exactly as mentioned above.

13th Demi Brigade of the Foreign Legion -- even more so.

 

[Scruffy the Panther]

I think you know. I think we all know.


No of course not. I am talking about war, without rules, without worrying about what Anderson Cooper is going to report if we take out some women and children. I am talking about playing to win, and win. WIN. Not worrying about who is shooting at you, and if they shoot first. I am talking about how WWII type of strategies, without remorse.

This is a great strategy for creating future generations of terrorists.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

This is a great strategy for creating future generations of terrorists.

Yea, remember in grade school when the bully kept kicking your butt, and you turned the other cheek, and he just stopped. Remember????

 

[Panther Parrothead]

We live in difficult times. It's tough to defend against killers when they themselves want to die.

 

[Pitt1313]

Very difficult with the enemy spread all over the world

 

[ratking17]

Kill al quada and isis pops up. They just change names. Unless you are advocating mass war then it is unwinnable despite how many days republicans say they could win it in

 

[Twisted Pittster]

Yes - like all of the German and Japanese terrorists we have now.

Really we needed to butt out many decades ago. The problems were lesser when brutal dictators were in power in the Middle East. All of our dictator toppling has done nothing but muck things up.

 

[Jakey_John]

Kill al quada and isis pops up. They just change names. Unless you are advocating mass war then it is unwinnable despite how many days republicans say they could win it in

It is obvious by your post that your shoe size outnumbers your IQ, no many how many days you deny it.

 

[ratking17]

So you think winning against terrorism is winnable? Good luck with that.

We live in a time where young angry men without jobs or hope are often easily influenced to commit heinous acts of terrorism.

Can't wait to win that war on terrorism

 

[Panther Parrothead]

This event is perfect timing for those who want stricter borders. Let's hope that it's not too late already. If they can commit terror in Paris, we shouldn't be so naive to think that we're not vulnerable as well.

 

[JSSTartan]

Scary. Terrible and horrific situation.

 

[Pghfan]

Europe is addressing immigration issues with Muslims, better late than never. Of course we will let these animals in, so not to offend

 

[perchance]

The "greatest generation" is to this day honored and greatly admired for winning WWII. It was total war and civilians were treated as combatants. A complete non military target, Dresden, was covered with incendiary bombs, incinerating 100,000 non combatants in one night. Tokyo was repeatedly carpeted with firebombs. 100,000 plus, overwhelmingly civilians, were burnt alive at Hiroshima and Nagasaki within a few minutes. Were these acts morally defensible? NO!
But they were necessary for the survival of free (relatively) nations.

Unless the civilized nations of the world come together with rock solid resolve to scotch this snake, the world will continue to devolve into anarchy. Though the United States irresponsibly ignited the flames of this widening conflagration, it is not our duty to go it alone. Nuclear weapons are out of the question and unnecessary.

War is ugly, brutal and inhuman. No one who is unwillingly to risk their own life should ask another to risk theirs.

 

[Pittx9]

This event is perfect timing for those who want stricter borders. Let's hope that it's not too late already.

The way I look at it, if you came here illegally, there's a good chance you had something to hide. The talks of reviewing illegals and allowing some that didn't commit crimes to stay is ridiculous. They came here illegally, that is already a crime. Where do you draw the line after that? A convicted murderer should just not be punished because he committed no crimes before that? Of course not that's ridiculous, even if he was a legal U.S. citizen.

There are very, very, very few people in this country who's families did not immigrate here from elsewhere. But you know what? There's a legal process to do such.

 

[DruidTM]

Nuke....who?....where?....keep in mind its been well documented Japan was ready to end it before the Nuke option....also don't forget Russias role in destroying the Nazis....

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

keep in mind its been well documented Japan was ready to end it before the Nuke option.

Yeah, Japan was so ready to end it that after the first bomb the US told them "surrender or we will drop another one" and the Japanese still refused to surrender. There's a reason why the second bomb wasn't dropped until three days after the first one, and that was to explicitly give the Japanese a chance to surrender before the second one.

It wasn't until after the second one that they seriously started considering surrender. Which is why, even though the other poster doesn't think so, dropping both bombs was absolutely morally defensible.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I think you know. I think we all know.


No of course not. I am talking about war, without rules, without worrying about what Anderson Cooper is going to report if we take out some women and children. I am talking about playing to win, and win. WIN. Not worrying about who is shooting at you, and if they shoot first. I am talking about how WWII type of strategies, without remorse.

How do you go to war with citizens of your allies and your own citizens?

Mind numbing vague notions.

 

[DruidTM]

Yeah, Japan was so ready to end it that after the first bomb the US told them "surrender or we will drop another one" and the Japanese still refused to surrender. There's a reason why the second bomb wasn't dropped until three days after the first one, and that was to explicitly give the Japanese a chance to surrender before the second one.

It wasn't until after the second one that they seriously started considering surrender. Which is why, even though the other poster doesn't think so, dropping both bombs was absolutely morally defensible.

Let's forget I guess we had already broken code on Japan then or we knew of their communications to Russia then...or any possible demonstrations of might to either....

So I guess we are back to my question as to who to bomb today?....

 

[pitt-girl]

We are very seasoned travelers. Not afraid of much. Had a trip planned for 2 weeks in Europe soon. Sorry - it will be cancelled. Period. That is the price that is paid for this. Not sure who wins here - the terrorists? Either way, France has a big problem that needs to be fixed. Thank goodness this wasn't here. God bless us all.

 

[TTOWN2]

The problem is ... how do you do that?

Simple... ALL are fair game.....MU

Well what's stopping you? Planes leave for the Middle East every day. We've been doing a lot of killing over there for years, how did that work out? You aren't proposing genocide against all Muslims are you? Sounds like it. How about the Muslim girl who won the peace prize? You offing her as well?

Well then what's your solution .??? We're waiting ....This will be good!!!..HTP/Forever!!!

 

[ratking17]

I get more intelligent answers from my sophomores when we debate this issue in class than some of the responses here.

 

[TTOWN2]

I get more intelligent answers from my sophomores when we debate this issue in class than some of the responses here.

So what's the consensus of opinion of your young charges with skulls full of mush pray tell...heir school master ????? HTP/Forever!!!

 

[retired doc]

Yeah, Japan was so ready to end it that after the first bomb the US told them "surrender or we will drop another one" and the Japanese still refused to surrender. There's a reason why the second bomb wasn't dropped until three days after the first one, and that was to explicitly give the Japanese a chance to surrender before the second one.

It wasn't until after the second one that they seriously started considering surrender. Which is why, even though the other poster doesn't think so, dropping both bombs was absolutely morally defensible.

Greetings to all my fellow Pitt alumni from a shocked and stunned France.
Actually, this is not the scenario that took place. In the days before Hiroshima, Truman called for "Unconditional Surrender" from Japan. The Japanese responded positively with once caveat: Their need to preserve the Emperor.. Truman refused this consideration. Following the atomic attacks, however, it was decided the Emperor could remain as a figure-head. Once this was relayed to the Japanese Government, those favoring peace were able to convince the Emperor to accept surrender and personally announce this directly to the Japanese populace.
Many believe the Japanese surrender would have come before the atomic attacks had we permitted the Emperor to remain. Such a surrender would have rendered the planned Allied invasion of the home islands (with the expected horrendous casualties) mute, thus removing the stated rational for the atomic attacks. It appears Truman was under great pressure from his advisors (particularly James Byrnes) to use the atomic bombs as a message to Stalin to keep hands off Japan and Asia so as to prevent the type of Soviet occupation as in E. Europe.

 

[TTOWN2]

Greetings to all my fellow Pitt alumni from a shocked and stunned France.
Actually, this is not the scenario that took place. In the days before Hiroshima, Truman called for "Unconditional Surrender" from Japan. The Japanese responded positively with once caveat: Their need to preserve the Emperor.. Truman refused this consideration. Following the atomic attacks, however, it was decided the Emperor could remain as a figure-head. Once this was relayed to the Japanese Government, those favoring peace were able to convince the Emperor to accept surrender and personally announce this directly to the Japanese populace.
Many believe the Japanese surrender would have come before the atomic attacks had we permitted the Emperor to remain. Such a surrender would have rendered the planned Allied invasion of the home islands (with the expected horrendous casualties) mute, thus removing the stated rational for the atomic attacks. It appears Truman was under great pressure from his advisors (particularly James Byrnes) to use the atomic bombs as a message to Stalin to keep hands off Japan and Asia so as to prevent the type of Soviet occupation as in E. Europe.

You are correct sir...HTP/Forever!!!

 

[ncyajleel]

I'm sure if the roles were reversed you would have a different view and it would not have been morally defensible. Everything is defensible until it happens to Americans.

Yeah, Japan was so ready to end it that after the first bomb the US told them "surrender or we will drop another one" and the Japanese still refused to surrender. There's a reason why the second bomb wasn't dropped until three days after the first one, and that was to explicitly give the Japanese a chance to surrender before the second one.

It wasn't until after the second one that they seriously started considering surrender. Which is why, even though the other poster doesn't think so, dropping both bombs was absolutely morally defensible.

 

[paulbl99]

Well what's stopping you? Planes leave for the Middle East every day. We've been doing a lot of killing over there for years, how did that work out? You aren't proposing genocide against all Muslims are you? Sounds like it. How about the Muslim girl who won the peace prize? You offing her as well?

Not very well after

Greetings to all my fellow Pitt alumni from a shocked and stunned France.
Actually, this is not the scenario that took place. In the days before Hiroshima, Truman called for "Unconditional Surrender" from Japan. The Japanese responded positively with once caveat: Their need to preserve the Emperor.. Truman refused this consideration. Following the atomic attacks, however, it was decided the Emperor could remain as a figure-head. Once this was relayed to the Japanese Government, those favoring peace were able to convince the Emperor to accept surrender and personally announce this directly to the Japanese populace.
Many believe the Japanese surrender would have come before the atomic attacks had we permitted the Emperor to remain. Such a surrender would have rendered the planned Allied invasion of the home islands (with the expected horrendous casualties) mute, thus removing the stated rational for the atomic attacks. It appears Truman was under great pressure from his advisors (particularly James Byrnes) to use the atomic bombs as a message to Stalin to keep hands off Japan and Asia so as to prevent the type of Soviet occupation as in E. Europe.

The Japanese response to Truman was a subtle answer shrouded in words which were difficult to translate one to one.
Additionally
the radicals in the military refused to surrender even AFTER the second bomb was dropped. They argued vigorously that the US had no more bombs. They argued that world opinion would soon turn against the US even if more bombs were available. But their attempts to alter the Government failed and it ended
Thank goodness Truman had the mindset to end that massive war right then and there.
Your nice little scenario of placing blame on the US might make good reading for some but omits critical information.
Harry dropped the Big One and he had damn well every reason AND right to do it.

 

[CodysDad]

I think Donald Trump's wall doesn't sound so bad. I also think we do need to tighten up our immigration. I'm sure Europe is rethinking the Syrian refugee thing now.....

 

[Ski11585]

I think Donald Trump's wall doesn't sound so bad. I also think we do need to tighten up our immigration. I'm sure Europe is rethinking the Syrian refugee thing now.....

I do some volunteer work with refugees and I'm worried for them. I work mostly with elementary school kids and-despite generally hating any and all children-they're pretty cool kids. I understand revisiting policy for refugees, but I hope this doesn't spark an overreaction. Many of these families are truly trying to get out of terrible situations.

 

[CodysDad]

I do some volunteer work with refugees and I'm worried for them. I work mostly with elementary school kids and-despite generally hating any and all children-they're pretty cool kids. I understand revisiting policy for refugees, but I hope this doesn't spark an overreaction. Many of these families are truly trying to get out of terrible situations.

Totally understand but it has to be done the right way. I don't know how you can verify a person's background when they are coming from a country that is such disarray but we just can't let everyone come into this country.
You are right though, they are coming from a very bad situation..