Hackenberg/Franklin

[GT74]

Have seen in several places that Hackenberg is blaming Franklin for his performance to pro scouts. Does he think they either don't realize it, or care? I don't think playing the blame game is good for his 'character' judgement. His skill and potential will be evaluated otherwise. And, it surely doesn't help JF's reputation as a coach. He has taken some PR hits since last season, and it isn't going to help with big time recruits when competing against the Meyers, Harbaughs, Dantonios, and other B1G coaches. It is certainly giving negative recruiting some ammo for those that choose to use it against him. He had better win big soon, or he's going to continue taking hits.

 

[ratking17]

Don't you know that they going speed speed speed this year?

 

[Piranha]

Have seen in several places that Hackenberg is blaming Franklin for his performance to pro scouts. Does he think they either don't realize it, or care? I don't think playing the blame game is good for his 'character' judgement. His skill and potential will be evaluated otherwise. And, it surely doesn't help JF's reputation as a coach. He has taken some PR hits since last season, and it isn't going to help with big time recruits when competing against the Meyers, Harbaughs, Dantonios, and other B1G coaches. It is certainly giving negative recruiting some ammo for those that choose to use it against him. He had better win big soon, or he's going to continue taking hits.

The truth shall set u free.

 

[big marty]

The Carnival Barker is just a poor coach.

 

[NewKen2013]

Judge Smail on the Ped U BWI board disagrees with this message. I think it reflects poorly on Hackenberg. He had a chance to transfer last season to a smaller school and play right away, he didn't.

No doubt Franklin is a total buffoon who couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. But, laying the blame totally on Franklin is wrong. Oh, Joe Moorhead sucks too.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Certainly enough blame to go around as it relates to their anemic offense last season. QB, Coaches & OL

There is a faction between Jimmy Franks and Hackenberg…..regardless of what their fan base says!

 

[wbrpanther]

Have seen in several places that Hackenberg is blaming Franklin for his performance to pro scouts. Does he think they either don't realize it, or care? I don't think playing the blame game is good for his 'character' judgement. His skill and potential will be evaluated otherwise. And, it surely doesn't help JF's reputation as a coach. He has taken some PR hits since last season, and it isn't going to help with big time recruits when competing against the Meyers, Harbaughs, Dantonios, and other B1G coaches. It is certainly giving negative recruiting some ammo for those that choose to use it against him. He had better win big soon, or he's going to continue taking hits.

Teams may be put off by Hackenberg saying what he said. But he is not wrong. I think Hackenberg is going to be a steal for someone.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Certainly enough blame to go around as it relates to their anemic offense last season. QB, Coaches & OL

There is a fraction between Jimmy Franks and Hackenberg…..regardless of what their fan base says!

This is why I enjoy following and learning from Penn State Fans Posters and getting their views on the Lair to have good discussions especially since we play the next 4 years and recruiting against them with WVU too.

There are very good PSU Fans that have there own opinions with knowledge, insight and can reflect on Franklin and their Coaches and Players. Especially on the New Moorhead Spread Offense and DC Pry Defense for the Pitt Posters to discuss together.

I found an article on CBS Sports under NCAA FB on the NFL Draft and Hackenberg 's abilities, interview and reflections. The Steelers do need a Back Up or potential Big Ben replacement in the coming years. I still contend Hackenberg has the abilities but like the Article said, does he have the mental toughness?

I recall from the last 3 seasons it was the Lair posters that challenged Hackenberg's abilities first year Big Ten Freshmen of the Year, versus and other Lair's Posters that have said Franklin lacks the coaching abilities to win at Penn State against the Big Ten Coaches? Discussions are good not bad..

I was wrong on both points. I once posted early on Franklin will recruit and be a great coach for Penn State when appointed. But later had to admit that the Lair Posters that know more on Football Details look to be right now. Others friends at PSU now agree Franklin needs to win in 2016 and 2017 to stay at PSU and are tired of his excuses and media conferences on his bravado now being retracted. They want him to focus on coaching not social meadia emails. These are smart PSU former Players and Graduates. not PSU can do no wrong Cultists?

One observation I see is how ND Coaches and Michigan coaches recruited Joe Montana and Tom Brady were wrong when they were not playing much in College. They ended up as 3rd and 6th Round NFL Draft Picks, but both won 4 Super Bowls.

So, I don't buy blaming coaches as the reason why NFL Coaches will avoid Hackenberg and sometimes College Coaches just miss or did not know how to play the talent they recruited?

I do hope the Steelers take him in the 3rd Round if he is around due to this article and it will be interesting to see how Hack does in the NFL? I think he was very loyal to stay with Penn State during the Sanction Years, but has soured on what happen to how he was coached?

The major reason I feel this way still has to do with what I learned by other smarter Posters on the Lair and with discussion by many great PSU Posters willing to post here too.

As I see and read it, it all can't be on all Hackenberg. When Franklin himself bragged about his Loyal Staffers on Thursday and asking Penn State Fans and the Media to be patience with him and them before the MSU Game.

Only to find out the next week, that Franklin then fired OC Donovan and after the Bowl Game Hackenberg could not wait to leave within minutes after that Bowl Game. And then 2 other PSU DC and OL Coaches left Franklin too? Even after he bragged about them staying forever and got them raises and one paid for his own Buyout?

All of sudden Franklin was blaming others like his OL, Sanctions, and then his own Coaches, and then Players left or transferred, and some recruits De-Committed.Franklin himself admitted he made mistakes, to his credit?

A.D. Barbour cancelled Penn State Franklin Coaching Caveran even though they had the money for it, This reflects on PSU willing to wait a while longer but putting some blame on Franklin too and with no Extension harder to compete with Meyer, Harbaugh, Dantonio, Narduzzi and others?

In summary, the CBS NFL Draft Article now blames Hackenberg on being less attractive to NFL Coaches for blaming Franklin?

But ignore, Franklin blamed OC Donovan, and two Coaches left Franklin and some PSU Fans blamed the PSU Offensive Lineman and Barbour? PSU made Franklin hold Press Conferences explaining why it is taking so long and Franklin said they blamed Sanctions???

Meanwhile, OSU, Michigan, MSU, Pitt, IOWA and Temple Coaches just recruit and coach and focus on making better Teams without blaming anyone?

The Penn State Blame Game was a creation from 1966-2010 and not limited to other fans, universities, refs, media, coaches or programs.It has comeback on Penn State University within, by, of, and from their own fans.

Some Penn State Fans still can't believe that is what helped bring shame to Penn State's name, and was to be avoided within the Alma Mater Song? But the Blame Game took on a whole New Life during that PSU Football Era?

 

[mdpitt]

Have seen in several places that Hackenberg is blaming Franklin for his performance to pro scouts. Does he think they either don't realize it, or care? I don't think playing the blame game is good for his 'character' judgement. His skill and potential will be evaluated otherwise. And, it surely doesn't help JF's reputation as a coach. He has taken some PR hits since last season, and it isn't going to help with big time recruits when competing against the Meyers, Harbaughs, Dantonios, and other B1G coaches. It is certainly giving negative recruiting some ammo for those that choose to use it against him. He had better win big soon, or he's going to continue taking hits.

So this is the difference between going to Pitt and PSU to be NFL ready. He has been having people tell him how good he is for four years where you go to Pitt and you just don't feel entitled. One reason is you have to actually be incredible here to get accolades and even then reality sets in where across the hall, a Pro QB doesn't make you look so great.

It's just ridiculous the advantages we have to get kids " pro ready" mentally. You just never here this from Pitt kids.

One exception could be a WR a decade ago with the initials AB who could have had one more year of mental seasoning.

 

[VAPITTALUM]

Teams may be put off by Hackenberg saying what he said. But he is not wrong. I think Hackenberg is going to be a steal for someone.

Did you see any of his pro day film? He missed wide open receivers, or simply couldn't hit players in stride. He may end up being a good QB, but he'll be a serious project.

 

[wbrpanther]

Did you see any of his pro day film? He missed wide open receivers, or simply couldn't hit players in stride. He may end up being a good QB, but he'll be a serious project.

Hackenberg will be picked by someone who wants to groom a young QB, Not by a team that wants him to start anytime soon. That's why I think he will be a steal. 3 or 4 years down the road I think he will be a good QB.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Teams may be put off by Hackenberg saying what he said. But he is not wrong. I think Hackenberg is going to be a steal for someone.

*Houston*

 

[raleighpanther]

Why does anyone think he has a chance to succeed? If he couldn't hit open receivers in stride on his pro day, he was just repeating what we saw from him the last couple of years. The only consistent about him is his persistent, wild inconsistency. Playing in the NFL is all about consistency. That is a hard thing to learn.

 

[medixman]

I hope Hack is a10 time All Pro I really do but he is so inaccurate right now.He really struggled hitting wide open receivers in his college career.This doesn't mean he can't get it together in the future.But even in HS his completion percentage was bad.Yes Franklins system didn't help him but my God he had to help himself too.He can blame Franklin,Joe Jerry,Jay,Donovan and the OL but the bottom line is he wasn't a very good QB!

 

[Hotshoe]

I challenge anyone to find where Franklin blamed Donovan anywhere. Furthermore, you might want to check the author of said article as his reputation is a joke. Jon Gruden totally disagrees with the article and he actually carries weight in the NFL. This is pre draft and if you know anything regarding the draft, it's nothing but a cesspool of lies. Talk to anyone who has played and gone through the draft process. Furthermore, it's done on purpose to improve draft status.

Hack has never thrown his teammates under the bus and has always represented well. He made the best out of a bad situation and was voted team captain not once, but twice. Cook was never even a team captain. Winston goes #1 with major issues. Hack is rising and this is a total non story. When a source comes forward and gives his name with exactly what he said, then I'll believe it. Didn't CNN just last week try to push off video that was two years old as the video from Brussels? I'm surprised people actually believe anything from the famous "unnamed sources."

 

[pittdan77]

I challenge anyone to find where Franklin blamed Donovan anywhere. Furthermore, you might want to check the author of said article as his reputation is a joke. Jon Gruden totally disagrees with the article and he actually carries weight in the NFL. This is pre draft and if you know anything regarding the draft, it's nothing but a cesspool of lies. Talk to anyone who has played and gone through the draft process. Furthermore, it's done on purpose to improve draft status.

Hack has never thrown his teammates under the bus and has always represented well. He made the best out of a bad situation and was voted team captain not once, but twice. Cook was never even a team captain. Winston goes #1 with major issues. Hack is rising and this is a total non story. When a source comes forward and gives his name with exactly what he said, then I'll believe it. Didn't CNN just last week try to push off video that was two years old as the video from Brussels? I'm surprised people actually believe anything from the famous "unnamed sources."

The article (which I can't find but should be linked) is about what "pro scouts" are reporting is going on in interviews. Saying that while it's probably true that Franklin did nothing to develop Hack, it's a bad look.

Their are some weird games that get played in the NFL around draft time. Most notably, talk about how much you love the guy you hate, and talk about how much you hate the guy you love so he drops. A kid like Hack has very little upside to a team that needs help at QB right away. He's a nice project but only if he falls to the later rounds.There are a couple of teams that would use a pick on Hack and probably would love to bring him in but they don't have the cap space to invest any money in a project. The other end of this is that Hack knows this and doesn't want to end up in a high pressure situation while he learns the game. So he's hoping to drop to maybe the 5th round. Won't get the big money but he'll have a couple of years to develop and hopefully make the real money on his second contract.

Best job in the NFL is a career backup QB. Make plenty of money and you don't get beat up every weekend.

 

[Hotshoe]

I believe Hack will be gone in the 2nd round quite easily.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Hotshoe must have attended the cult service over the weekend!
Did you take a host from a paturdo cardboard cutout?

 

[Hotshoe]

Well, he's being projected to the Rams in the 2nd. I just speak facts, not made up innuendos.

 

[pittdan77]

Well, he's being projected to the Rams in the 2nd. I just speak facts, not made up innuendos.

Draft projections as facts? LOL

Really hope the kid makes it but you need to take it easy man.

 

[Hotshoe]

The fact is, that that is a projection, not that it will happen. Gruden loves the kid and thinks he's the smartest qb since Peyton. Will that transfer to the field? Who knows, but I see no way he drops past the second. He is the prototypical NFL QB who is also a very good athlete. I don't doubt there's a rift between Hack and Franklin. However, Hack has never thrown anyone under the bus. I have two very reliable sources in the NFL that have both said it's bull and nothing but posturing by NFL teams.

 

[medixman]

Shoe I have to question his leadership qualities during the games,especially his sophomore year.He was a little better last year but not who I'd want watching my back in a street fight!Getting back to plain football he had the worst touch on short and intermediate passes than anyone I saw in the P5 conferences.Don't give me the bad ol excuse on those quick passes when he's not going to get hit.But like a stud pitcher in college that has trouble finding the strike zone that gets drafted and gets a coach that's tweeks something and he becomes a star!This could happen and I hope it does.Shoe you have to take off those blue and white glasses sometime.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Hotshoe, post: 1186158, member: 6356"]I challenge anyone to find where Franklin blamed Donovan anywhere.
Being fired are actions that speak louder than words? One Pre-Game Interview Franklin defended his long term loyal staff with plans to win, after two days after the big lost, Donovan was gone? The Act of being let go speaks louder than one word of goodbye as friends!

Now to be fair, Pitt's OC Chaney left for UGA after being asked to stay. Yet, NCS OC Canada got fired too and Pitt wanted him but couldn't get him unless he was fired?

Furthermore, you might want to check the author of said article as his reputation is a joke. Jon Gruden totally disagrees with the article and he actually carries weight in the NFL. This is pre draft and if you know anything regarding the draft, it's nothing but a cesspool of lies. Talk to anyone who has played and gone through the draft process. Furthermore, it's done on purpose to improve draft status.
I concur and I have always admired and respected Hackenberg being a 5 Star Recruit and stayed with Penn State even knowing no Bowl or chance at a NCS due to Sanctions and O'Brien made him BIG10 Freshmen of the Year!

Hack has never thrown his teammates under the bus and has always represented well. He made the best out of a bad situation and was voted team captain not once, but twice. Cook was never even a team captain. Winston goes #1 with major issues. Hack is rising and this is a total non story. When a source comes forward and gives his name with exactly what he said, then I'll believe it.
BTW, many rumors put out about Marino too in 1982 and dropped him down to late round pick and later some Agents confirmed it was done by Miami. Never underestimate one of your friends that would love to watch you drop down so they can take you with more talent to join you.

Didn't CNN just last week try to push off video that was two years old as the video from Brussels? I'm surprised people actually believe anything from the famous "unnamed sources.
I would love the Steelers to take Hack or Jones in the 3rd or 4th round, one but not both? I see no value whatsoever in keeping Landry Jones????

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I believe Hack will be gone in the 2nd round quite easily.

O'Brien???