Hallelujah— PJ Benched.
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I wonder if Kenny Minchey is kicking himself right now. He is currently 3rd string at ND with two stud quarterbacks already committed in the 2024 and 2025 classes.
No, it doesn't matter anymore with the transfer portal. You get two freebies - one before graduation and one after it.
No one is kicking himself for not "developing" under Cignetti’s tutelage.
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He’ll be leaving and a Cig led offense won’t be his landing spot. Guys like Hartman will come around every year. Unless Sam gets a terrible injury, backups won’t sniff playing time at ND — until mop-up time against Pitt, that is. Lol.
I don’t see this reported anywhere, but an interesting tidbit from Amanda Godsey of the Trib-Democrat in Johnstown: Jurkoevc has been demoted to third string, not just backup. It will be Veilleux and Yarnell the rest of the way unless something catastrophic happens:
Good. There’s no reason to go back to Jurk unless the other 2 prove to be demonstrably worse.
I could see Jurk throwing a fit like Bubby Brister that he wouldn’t “mop up” for anyone. So effectively he’s been canceled
In other words…he’s Phil Jurkovec Redux!
I don’t think any QB is bummed they didn’t decide to come here right now. Particularly a guy who went to ND instead. This has been an ugly, ugly situation. This announcement did not make this a happy day. This is merely an unavoidable thing that had to be done. We’re still in a crisis situation here.
Hopefully CV can turn this thing around. We need it badly
No kidding. I think that’s a situation where both parties (Pitt, Minchey) lost in the end.
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Why the hell is she absolutely stunned ? Does she know Pitt will have a football team next season and Phil won't be on it.
All of that is idiotic.
You do understand that a big part of college football is player development, right? If CV sucks and looks lost the next few games, that doesn't mean he won't have sold d career.
I see now the thought process (or lack of one) that led you to say you would take Phil Jerkovec over Kenny Pickett.
I don't get why she is surprised. What the hell did she think was going to happen?
They aren't going back to Jurkovec.
The only reason they haven't moved on earlier is because the other guys weren't ready and they didn't want to throw them out there on a Saturday night road game at WVU or VaTech.
Duzz isn't stupid & he isn't bringing Cigs back unless this offense is much improved by the end of the year. And it's entirely possible, even probable, that decision has already been made.
A wobble isn't near as important as timing as accuracy. A wobble still has to be catchable though. I'm actually amazed at how excessively bad some of his wobbles have been this year. Mumpfield made a great catch on one in the UNC game on the sideline. That pass over the top to Means at VaTech was also really ugly and I was a bit surprised Bub hauled it in.
If you truly believe Lyke rolled into his office and told him to change the QB, I don't know what to tell you. It's actually funny to think about how that would go down.
I don't think it's anything more than Narduzzi overruling his OC after stating that changes need to be made in his last press conference.
Yea, I dont know the intricacies of the position so not sure if throwing a wobbling ball can affect accuracy. I noticed a very distinctive wobble in warmups compared to Villeaux's tight spiral.
Performance aside, I do empathize with what Phil is going through. He likely began playing from a young age with dreams of making it to the NFL. Thousands of hours of practices, games, and lifting sessions. Makes it to the highest level of college football and gets the opportunity to return to his home school, only for it to end like this. With the Virginia Tech game, he’s likely taken the last snaps of his career. I wish him the best of luck in his life’s work.
I do also. And quite honestly, its not ALL his fault. Hypothetically, had we had the 2021 OL, WR, and OC, we are maybe 5-0, at least 4-1. Of course, I guess anyone can throw to Zay Flowers or Addison.
And that’s why you actually click on the attached article on the Tweet!
LOL at the thought that the AD actually told the coach with a massive buyout at a University that doesn't spend money, that he needs to anything with the depth chart.
During his Penn State tenure, Franklin has managed to land all 3 of his starting QB's in the NFL. Not counting Will Levis who could not beat out Clifford. None will be superstars by any stretch of the imagination, but still.
I'm not from PA and I haven't followed Jurk's career, but did he always throw such a poor looking ball? I know he had a thumb injury and surgery at some point on the throwing hand, could he spin it better before that? Certainly a bad thumb on the throwing hand would be a serious problem for any QB.
It's hard to imagine a QB being highly recruited and ranked when the ball comes out of his hand the way it comes out of Jurk's now.
Here's what ChatGPT had to say about throwing a spiral vs a wobble:
"A football that is thrown with a tight spiral will generally travel more accurately and efficiently through the air compared to a football that wobbles. The primary reason for this is the phenomenon known as the Magnus effect.
When a football is thrown with a tight spiral, it spins rapidly around its longitudinal axis. This rapid spin creates a stable and predictable airflow around the ball. The Magnus effect occurs because of this spin, where the pressure difference between the front and back of the ball creates a lifting force perpendicular to the direction of motion. This effect helps the football maintain a stable trajectory and minimizes air resistance, allowing it to travel farther and more accurately.
In contrast, when a football wobbles or does not have a tight spiral, the airflow around the ball is disrupted and irregular. This can lead to unpredictable movement, reduced accuracy, and increased air resistance. As a result, a football thrown with a tight spiral is generally more effective in terms of speed, distance, and accuracy compared to one that wobbles.
So, while the tight spiral itself doesn't make the football travel faster in terms of absolute speed, it contributes to a more efficient and accurate flight, which can result in better overall performance in terms of distance and accuracy when throwing the football."
So the bottom line is that accuracy is improved (and probably velocity due to reduced air turbulence) if you throw a tight spiral.
I watched him play in HS plenty. He never threw a pretty ball, but it's gotten worse rather than better. Never had a big arm either, but it was strong enough. He was elite at running their system and a true dual threat guy. Pretty fast and elusive for his size.
I think you might be on to something with the injuries. Kind of makes sense maybe something never healed in the thumb or hand. I also think he bulked up too much. He's a shell of what he was.
If you have a few minutes to kill watch this.
IMHO he didn't get a fair chance to run the offense. When he came in (for some reason because the deficit wasn't that bad) Frank was in pass only mode.
How many first-team reps did he get? How much prep in camp did he get? Not fair to evaluate a backup with no prep
He’s much better than what he saw against the Tar Heels, absolutely. Talented arm from watching him toss it pre-game and against Wofford.
In high school he looked like the second coming of Marino, plus he could run with the ball too. Maybe that thumb injury in 2021 never quite healed properly, he did rush back from it.
So after seeing him? and I guess Frank's trained eye report of him? the Pitt coaches thought maybe UPMC would lend them a hyperbaric chamber or something to regenerate him? I mean he couldn't avoid Wofford's 220 lb nose tackle on his first play.
This move is weeks too late. I have to believe that PJ has something wrong with his arm. Pitt started a qb that can't throw a spiral or over 35 yards. EVERYTHING was underthrown. The next move that must be made is obvious. Cignetti has to be fired now. Would you advise your son to go play in his offense? Of course not. I can't imagine any current player that would stay here. The Cignetti hire destroyed the program.
The problem is.....after watching this team, and the inept stupid offense we run.....nobody decent is coming here. We will not get any talent here unless we get a new offense. Why the hell would anyone want to play for cignetti? I'm being serious.....nobody is coming here
You make a change at OC and hopefully he can bring a QB with him, or gets one somewhere else.
Although, you want to make this change sooner rather than later. I'd prefer to have a new OC in early December rather than mid January.
I watched some unknown, undersized sophomore QB from Middle Tenn St. throw for 400+ yards last night. There are guys that can help out there.
BTW, Rich Rod is 5-1 in Jacksonville St's first year in FBS.
Although, you want to make this change sooner rather than later. I'd prefer to have a new OC in early December rather than mid January.
I watched some unknown, undersized sophomore QB from Middle Tenn St. throw for 400+ yards last night. There are guys that can help out there.
BTW, Rich Rod is 5-1 in Jacksonville St's first year in FBS.
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This is a great point. Firing Cignetti isn’t enough. They need to be prepared now to have a new guy immediately to hire upon dismissing Cignetti at seasons end. None of this 7 months of casual interviews (like Christ with Matt House) so that Duz can wear down Lyke to just let him hire another hack just like Cig and Watson. And like you said, having someone to hire immediately improves the chance (however slim at this moment) of getting a good /compatible transfer Qb (and receivers).
This program needs to be managed actively like the professional sports franchise it is.
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