Heinz Field vs Kennywood
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once again playing with numbers you do not know...in that each country does not count a death caused by "covid in the same fashion your point is meaningless...The Scarf queen has already noted that the US has an extremely liberal definition of death by covid..
keep trying.I know that salient point you are trying in vain to make is somewhere right around the corner...
So China has been completely transparent in their reporting? Russia? And every third-world country has the capacity to track the disease?
I’ve got a meeting to get to, so I’ll leave you alone. Parting shot, you took this horse out of the barn; I might be more sympathetic of your fear and concerns about COVID if you didn’t go to Kennywood because you had free tickets. Do as I say, not as I do. Right?
You are lying about most of what you say, because I’m sure you are not stupid. If you were so afraid of the virus and so concerned for other people dying you wouldn’t have gone to Kennywood. Admitting your guilt as if it makes your point of view any less silly is just as silly as most of what you say... concerning virtually any topic for that matter.
I'm not afraid of the virus for myself. I am concerned about other people and would prefer that more things be shut down but if they insist on having everything open, I'm going....because I am selfish.
Yeah, an environment where 99% of the occupants are old as hell, let’s open that up and have them sit in there for hours upon hours while they are all sitting next to each other.
i was at a kid's birthday party a few weekends ago. everyone outside, having fun, kids running around, we were drinking beer, beanbags/cornhole. one couple sat in the corner of the yard with masks on lol. everyone else living life and this one couple just sat there in corner, away from everyone. it was funny, awkward but mostly funny.
why even go if you are going to be that person. what a sight they were.
why even go if you are going to be that person. what a sight they were.
Yea, I agree. I'm lea
That was us! Just kidding. I agree. I am leary of being indoors. Not sure I'd want my kids to go to a big indoor party at someone's house. We'll see.
all my ramblings aside, i kinda feel the same. about a few months ago, same situation. kids party and it was time to sing and dude wanted everyone inside, crowded to sing. i kinda hung back, outside. a tad rude and all but yep, about 40 people all crammed into kitchen to sing hapy birthday, i avoided it for this reason alone..
I agree that you are selfish, but you are also dishonest. You don’t really believe the risk is that high to others, but you will go along with shutting things down if your political leaders tell you so because you are comfortable. If other people must struggle due to shutdowns, that’s their problem as long as you are taken care of. But you can continue to play you are so concerned if it covers the guilt of your lying mind.
Based on all his histrionic posts here since spring - he risked his life and the lives of others because of free Kennywood tickets
What a tool
You’re just using common sense
Silly to go inside to sing , to be honest
It’s a super spreader situation
You have a real problem with statistics
First you would need 1000 posters here to go out in order for 10 to maybe contract Covid
Second, you would need those 10 to then go hang out with a number of people over 75 with none of them using any precautions
Do you think older people or those that are vulnerable don't know how to protect themselves?
Or did you ever realize that some older people have realized they only have so much time left and they want to live and enjoy what time they have left instead of locking themselves down for a year or more and worrying every second about the virus. I know a number of elderly people with this mindset.
Everyone should be free to make their own choice
I mean we all want the US to look as bad as possible so we can blame Trump....but LVram has a major, major point. Yeah, I trust Russia, China even India for reporting. And those 3rd world countries, my god, Brazil, anyone ever been to Sao Paulo or Rio and those favelas where maybe 100K people live in shantys on top of each other?
Let's stop the hyperbole please. We have our problems with the disease, but so does everyone else. It is resurfacing where they thought they were clear, we know other countries have had issues.....let's not act like the US is the worst. We aren't even the most honest because COVID is being assigned the cause of death of people who would have died with all the other preexisting conditions if they had caught the common cold or flu.
OK. Lets not trust China, Russia, etc. I don't anyway. So we lead the developed world in deaths per population. For the conspiracy theorists, you would think socialist governments in Europe would be more inclined to exaggerate death counts since their lockdown measures were much more drastic.
I dont believe there is much risk at all to young healthy people. How many times can I say that? The risk is someone like myself catching it, not knowing it, and spreading it to and old person.
So we lead the developed world in deaths per population. ...should have read what I wrote the first time so that you did not double down on stupid...We do not necessarily count covid deaths the same way as they.
btw..does we in your already incorrect and incoherent scenario mean New York and New Jersey or the we in the rest of the country...
As someone already posted elsewhere...when the BIG 10 commences play...
That is simply incorrect. Not that that's any surprise. The global leader at the moment in death rate is actually Peru, and they are waaaaay ahead of not only the US but everyone else on the planet. Belgium is in second, and they are way ahead of any other European country, including Italy, and they have been for a long time now. Boliva it 3rd, Brazil 4th and Chile 5th (South America has been getting slammed, not that anyone in the US has noticed). Spain is next (another European country not named Italy), followed by Ecuador (those South Americans again), the US, the UK (another European country not named Italy) and Mexico (their rate is rising very fast).
Italy is currently in 11th in death rate and hasn't been in the "top" spot, not only in the world but also in Europe, in many months.
Actually it would be exactly the opposite. They would be more inclined to underplay their death counts so that they could say "see, we told you we needed to shut the whole country down for two months. It worked! Good thing we were here to save you from yourself."
I have to disagree with you. We did have a coordinated national response of a shutdown for a month. It was not a strong enough shutdown but it was there. The issue was/ is that if you open up there is going to be a spread. Mask no mask it doesnt matter. Europe for the most part locked down lknger and harder some of their economies are in really bad shape, britian has said they simply have to cut benefits as they dont have the ability to continue extended unemployment benefits. They are also seeing a surge, its not as bad there as it is here but just wait if they dont lockdown again its going to get much much worse. There is not beating this virus unless your new Zeeland or some place like that which can isolate itself.
Yep china and russia are going to lie. India, brazil and Mexico just dont have any real way to track them all. Sure they maybe can in rio or Mexico city but not country wide.
Dude, it's people like you who are he problem. You bag on everyone who wants businesses to be open because we're killing old people, and then you're off with your family to Kennywood. Hypocrite? Tightwad? Dummy? All of the above?
I'm advocating for business to be open constantly, but I wouldn't set foot in Kennywood with my kids if they paid me to go.
It’s a bit Euro-centric, but this Irish guy does a great job using actual data to show how lockdowns and mask wearing have had no impact on death rates.
it’s worth a watch even if it’s long.
He follows it up with another video to counter some of the arguments received, trying to poke holes in the data:
it’s worth a watch even if it’s long.
He follows it up with another video to counter some of the arguments received, trying to poke holes in the data:
I also don't think youth sports should be going on but my kids are playing. Again, we're at very low to no risk and if they're going to have stuff open, I'm going to be selfish.
The lack of consistency is a direct result of the lack of a plan in the event of a pandemic. Pandemics are not rare events yet apart from one county in one state no one had a plan in place for a viral pandemic.
That is horrendous given the SARS outbreak and previous flu pandemics and epidemics.
Wolf's response was less consistent because his health leader was a political hire. I have no doubt that Levine is competent in her field, but her expertise was about as far away from a pandemic as one could get.
Consequently, PA cut and pasted from other states in the NE none of which were remotely prepared either. The total lack of competence from the CDC exacerbated the problem. Compromised labs, provincial testing policies and lack of communication all added to a national cluster screw.
Wolf was unprepared, uninformed and unapologetic.
In summation, he is a typical elected official. This time the stakes were higher and everyone paid the price....except Wolf and Levine.
Any significant rise in the US I have to attribute this to schools (mainly colleges) opening. When you have like 40-50K students in collective housing, all just sharing life activities in concentrated areas, whether you wear masks or not, you can't social distance. Even with "virtual classes", if you are on campus, you are meeting people, eating, drinking, sharing bathroom facilities, partying, boinking (okay kissing), etc...
And then these kids go home for a weekend and most of them are asymptomatic so they don't even know, but then they take it home to their families and well, there ya go.
And then these kids go home for a weekend and most of them are asymptomatic so they don't even know, but then they take it home to their families and well, there ya go.
Outside, spaced out, and masked is likely less risk than a grocery store.
Now I’m not so naive to think that people will not drink, take masks off, crowd together in lines, etc. So it won’t be zero risk. But I think we can do 25% capacity and be fine if most people are smart.
Now I’m not so naive to think that people will not drink, take masks off, crowd together in lines, etc. So it won’t be zero risk. But I think we can do 25% capacity and be fine if most people are smart.
Oh I agree with you. Because we DID NOT continue the lockdown nationally, it became a state-by-state free-for-all. And the worst may be yet to come.
I deal with this in my professional life. People that are well spoken, have fancy charts, and use data to confirm a bias. But that sometimes clouds the ability to really understand the big picture, and the answer is usually simpler.
Here is the problem:
This virus has always been about a low % of bad outcomes that is a huge problem due to enormous scale. So *anything* that leads the compounding of encounters (especially high risk ones) causes spread. Period. Hard stop.
Mitigation factors like lockdowns work to the extent that people follow them. If everyone literally didn’t come in contract with anyone else for a month, the virus is eradicated. Again, period. Hard stop.
But the reality is that you have imperfect measures, non compliant people, along with other variables that aren’t controlled among the countries being looked at.
Obviously there is a balance that we have tried to create, and rightfully so. But those that argue there is “no difference” if you mitigate or not have an extremely flawed premise. Because again - it’s about the scale, number, and type of encounters if all other variables are constant.
People like that also have an audience because it plays well to those that want to say “ah ha, let’s just get back to normal”. And that makes it dangerous and misguided.
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