Here's a shocker NOT. Joe Lunardi now has us as 1 of the last 4 byes!

[PittPoker]

This guy is a joke. Moves us down when we win moves us down when we lose just 1 game. I mean it's comical at this point.

I'm sure if we beat Syracuse he'll move us down again to last 4 in.

What a joke.

 

[sonofabit]

This guy is a joke. Moves us down when we win moves us down when we lose just 1 game. I mean it's comical at this point.

I'm sure if we beat Syracuse he'll move us down again to last 4 in.

What a joke.

He’s on record as Pitt over achieving this year and in context not a positive for Pitt. Just pushing his narrative. All the close wins could just as well be losses and so forth. Probably hasn’t watched one game.

 

[AllegeneeGenacGenac]

This guy is a joke. Moves us down when we win moves us down when we lose just 1 game. I mean it's comical at this point. I'm sure if we beat Syracuse he'll move us down again to last 4 in. What a joke.

Where did you see this? He still has us outside of the last 4 byes on ESPN's website: https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/s...ology-projecting-2023-march-madness-men-field

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

We are the 8th to last team in on Bracket Matrix so that lines up. Listen, our NET isnt good so if they mostly use NET, we really arent that far off from Dayton. Our NET translates to a 14 seed (if we dont count thr 12 and 13 seed auto bids) so we really cant move up higher than the 9 or 10 line. These guys arent that smart. They see 53 and it gives you a range as to where you can seed them.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

He’s on record as Pitt over achieving this year and in context not a positive for Pitt. Just pushing his narrative. All the close wins could just as well be losses and so forth. Probably hasn’t watched one game.

He's been ripping thr ACC on ACCN. All fair and true, cant disagree with any of it but it seems he goes out of his way to say it.

 

[PittPoker]

Where did you see this? He still has us outside of the last 4 byes on ESPN's website: https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/s...ology-projecting-2023-march-madness-men-field

Someone on the pay board said espn just had Lunardi on a few minutes ago and he showed his last 4 byes and Pitt was on it.

 

[Pitt2006]

So he had us at 37th the other day. The last 4 byes start at 38th so not sure how far they were moved down. I think with their road record they are safe from Dayton. That is the goal. It could be that the quad 1/2 keeps changing. At one point it was like 8-6 but now may be 7-7.

 

[PittPoker]

So he had us at 37th the other day. The last 4 byes start at 38th so not sure how far they were moved down. I think with their road record they are safe from Dayton. That is the goal. It could be that the quad 1/2 keeps changing. At one point it was like 8-6 but now may be 7-7.

No we're not safe. No game in the ACC is easy. We could just as easily lose to Syracuse or ND as blow them out. From what Lunardi is spewing if we lose 1 more game we might not make the tournament. It's total BS.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

So he had us at 37th the other day. The last 4 byes start at 38th so not sure how far they were moved down. I think with their road record they are safe from Dayton. That is the goal. It could be that the quad 1/2 keeps changing. At one point it was like 8-6 but now may be 7-7.

Pitt vs Illinois
10 seed vs 6 seed

Q1 5-3 4-7
Q2 2-4 4-2
Q3 3-0 2-0
Q4 10-1 8-0
Road 7-3 3-5

The difference in 4 seed lines? NET

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

No we're not safe. No game in the ACC is easy. We could just as easily lose to Syracuse or ND as blow them out. From what Lunardi is spewing if we lose 1 more game we might not make the tournament. It's total BS.

Need 1 more win to make it.

2 more to avoid Dayton

 

[NCanton Panther]

I don’t know where you’re seeing this. He currently has us as a 9 seed along with Memphis, Rutgers and Arkansas. And he has 9 other non-auto qualifiers seeded lower than 9.

 

[UPitt '89]

So he had us at 37th the other day. The last 4 byes start at 38th so not sure how far they were moved down. I think with their road record they are safe from Dayton. That is the goal. It could be that the quad 1/2 keeps changing. At one point it was like 8-6 but now may be 7-7.

The last four byes are 39, 40, 41, and 42. The Dayton games are 43, 44, 45, 46.

 

[PittPoker]

I don’t know where you’re seeing this. He currently has us as a 9 seed along with Memphis, Rutgers and Arkansas. And he has 9 other non-auto qualifiers seeded lower than 9.

ESPN had him on earlier today and he showed his last 4 byes on the screen and Pitt was in it.

His bracketology hasn't been updated on the espn website in 2 days and he hasn't done a daily update on twitter in 2 days. So what you are seeing isn't changed yet.

 

[NCanton Panther]

ESPN had him on earlier today and he showed his last 4 byes on the screen and Pitt was in it.

His bracketology hasn't been updated on the espn website in 2 days and he hasn't done a daily update on twitter in 2 days. So what you are seeing isn't changed yet.

Ok that may make sense. His bracket on bracket matrix was last updated 2/21 and at that time, while having us a 9-seed he had us trending down. So if he dropped us only 1 or 2 spots that would put us into the group of last 4 byes.

 

[Pitt2006]

Boise had a solid win over UNM last night and Arkansas blew out Georgia the day before. Possibly those two leaped Pitt. Things will continue to fluctuate, but not to point of falling off bubble.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Boise had a solid win over UNM last night and Arkansas blew out Georgia the day before. Possibly those two leaped Pitt. Things will continue to fluctuate, but not to point of falling off bubble.

Lunardi did make it a point to say the MWC is better than the ACC a few days ago. But, man, Boise and their 1-3 Q1 record and 2 Q3 losses is super impressive. This is where I agree with Joe for once. He is moving teams up and down a line daily to generate conversation because its good for business. Beating New Mexico may seem like a big deal but a game like that in and of itself isnt going to move you.

 

[KennyHeisman8]

Lunardi did make it a point to say the MWC is better than the ACC a few days ago. But, man, Boise and their 1-3 Q1 record and 2 Q3 losses is super impressive. This is where I agree with Joe for once. He is moving teams up and down a line daily to generate conversation because its good for business. Beating New Mexico may seem like a big deal but a game like that in and of itself isnt going to move you.

The fact the MWC gets so much love is really kind of baffling. I have no idea how you can look at Utah state, Boise, and UNMand say their resumes are better than Pitt

 

[KennyHeisman8]

Also this is why lunardi is a blow hard. I feel like after the VT loss with him pitt has sagged like 5 spots. NC state had an extremely similar loss to Syracuse, actually slightly worse, and is still on the 8 line

 

[SteelBowl70]

The general perception is the Pitt is a low 9 or 10. And this is based primarily on NET no matter how dumb we think it is. Perception can become reality. if UNC has our resume, they would be a 4 or 5. If we had their resume, we might get an NIT bid.

Who knows what the committee thinks. Has a 3rd place ACC (regular season) team ever missed the tourney since it expanded even to 48 teams? How about a 4th place team? I know ND was 15-5 last year and went to Dayton.

Pitt shouldn’t have to live or die on every game but that seems to be where we are. Assuming we don’t beat Miami (who is 15-0 and will be 16-0 at home), 3 more wins (including ACCT) gets us a bye to round two. 2 wins probably gets us to Dayton.

 

[Pitt2006]

The fact the MWC gets so much love is really kind of baffling. I have no idea how you can look at Utah state, Boise, and UNMand say their resumes are better than Pitt

Boise has slightly better losses than Pitt and is 9-4 quad 1/2. Nevada also decent but UNM and Utah State no comparison.

 

[KennyHeisman8]

Boise has slightly better losses than Pitt and is 9-4 quad 1/2. Nevada also decent but UNM and Utah State no comparison.

UNM, Liberty, north Texas, and Charleston and ORU being ahead of Pitt shows how broken NET. Same for UNC. Or the fact that 3-13 on quad 1 and 2 Florida is two spots behind us.

 

[Pitt2006]

The teams behind Pitt likely can’t catch them per se…
Miss St 4-5 road and 6-9 q1/2
USC 3-5 road and 7-6 q1/2 but bad losses like Pitt
Wisconsin is interesting 4-5 road and 10/10 quad 1 (also poor net like Pitt but not awful results). I think they may be safely in.
WVU 2-7 road and 8-12 q1/2.

 

[Pitt2006]

UNM, Liberty, north Texas, and Charleston and ORU being ahead of Pitt shows how broken NET. Same for UNC. Or the fact that 3-13 on quad 1 and 2 Florida is two spots behind us.

But it will come down to q1/2 wins. Net plays a role but still have to win. Pitt needed to avoid the FSU home loss and didn’t. They did against GT. Florida also beat FSU…Most years Lville, FSU, and GT won’t be Q4.

 

[KennyHeisman8]

But it will come down to q1/2 wins. Net plays a role but still have to win. Pitt needed to avoid the FSU home loss and didn’t. They did against GT.

I still think a loss to FSU being considered equivalent as a loss to RMU is stupid

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The fact the MWC gets so much love is really kind of baffling. I have no idea how you can look at Utah state, Boise, and UNMand say their resumes are better than Pitt

I dont get how the MWC does this. Every year they get like 30%-40% of their teams in, more than the P12 and similar to the ACC. I think its partly due to not having any "automatic losses" (ie no 1-4 seeds) but if I'm the A10, I'm wondering how the heck the MWC is light years better than us from an NCAAT perspective. I mean on a neutral court, is Utah State/Nev/UNM/Boise, etc really better programs than VCU/Dayton/SLU/Richmond, etc?

 

[NCanton Panther]

Why are you guys singling out Lunardi as the blow hard. He at least has Pitt as a 9-seed. 30 of the 100 prognosticators in Bracket Matrix have Pitt as only an 11-seed. One lone prognosticator giving us our highest seed, a 7.

 

[KennyHeisman8]

Why are you guys singling out Lunardi as the blow hard. He at least has Pitt as a 9-seed. 30 of the 100 prognosticators in Bracket Matrix have Pitt as only an 11-seed. One lone prognosticator giving us our highest seed, a 7.

He’s the most prominent one

 

[Pitt2006]

I still think a loss to FSU being considered equivalent as a loss to RMU is stupid

Teams that beat FSU this year:
Stetson by 9 at FSU
UCF by 14 at home
Troy by 7 at FSU
UF by 9 at FSU
Sienna by 17 at home
Stanford by 10
Nebraska by 17
St. John’s by 14

They likely aren’t that bad right now but there is a reason they are quad 4.

 

[W1np1tt]

He said last week on ACCPM that Pitt is at the top of the conference only because it’s a down year for the ACC. What an assclown!! Wonder what he’ll say as we are cutting down the nets!!!! Just keep winning and t we’ll get the respect. H2P!!

 

[SteelBowl70]

Teams that beat FSU this year:
Stetson by 9 at FSU
UCF by 14 at home
Troy by 7 at FSU
UF by 9 at FSU
Sienna by 17 at home
Stanford by 10
Nebraska by 17
St. John’s by 14

They likely aren’t that bad right now but there is a reason they are quad

He said last week on ACCPM that Pitt is at the top of the conference only because it’s a down year for the ACC. What an assclown!! Wonder what he’ll say as we are cutting down the nets!!!! Just keep winning and t we’ll get the respect. H2P!!

ND beat MSU by 18 in Big/ACC challenge and have 2 conference wins. Nobody seems to remember that ACC won that challenge 8-6. Mighty Purdue beat FSU by only 10. And top 6 ACC schools all won and NC State didn’t play. 3 of top 7 Big teams lost.

 

[docpanther26]

No matter what, we have not seen the NCAA tournament in years. Lets enjoy what we get and build on next year.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

We could just as easily lose to Syracuse or ND as blow them out.

And that's the problem. I mean Syracuse is decent (but at home). But Notre Dame is awful. If you lose to a team that bad, after already losing at home to a team as bad as Florida State, you can't complain that you didn't get what you deserved.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I mean on a neutral court, is Utah State/Nev/UNM/Boise, etc really better programs than VCU/Dayton/SLU/Richmond, etc?

Yeah, at this point the Mountain West is, in fact, better than the A10. In fact it isn't even close.

Just eyeballing it, if you matched the 11 MWC teams up position for position with the top 11 A10 teams the MWC would be favored in at least 10 of the games, and maybe all 11. And that is with not even considering the bottom four teams in the A10, some of whom are absolutely awful.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

And that's the problem. I mean Syracuse is decent (but at home). But Notre Dame is awful. If you lose to a team that bad, after already losing at home to a team as bad as Florida State, you can't complain that you didn't get what you deserved.

ND has bubble talent. Maybe better. They did lose an NBA guy and their Center but everyone else is back and they got a couple good freshman. That absolutely shouldn't take you from 15-5 to 2-18, especially not in a down ACC. They have players. Come on. Brey, Hamilton, Hubert Davis, and Kenny Payne are doing 4 of the worst coaching jobs I've ever seen.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yeah, at this point the Mountain West is, in fact, better than the A10. In fact it isn't even close.

Just eyeballing it, if you matched the 11 MWC teams up position for position with the top 11 A10 teams the MWC would be favored in at least 10 of the games, and maybe all 11. And that is with not even considering the bottom four teams in the A10, some of whom are absolutely awful.

I meant the A10 has to wonder why they cant be a 3-4 bid league like the MWC every year. Their budgets, name brands, and profiles are similar. The A10 is punching below its weight.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

ND has bubble talent. Maybe better. They did lose an NBA guy and their Center but everyone else is back and they got a couple good freshman. That absolutely shouldn't take you from 15-5 to 2-18, especially not in a down ACC. They have players. Come on. Brey, Hamilton, Hubert Davis, and Kenny Payne are doing 4 of the worst coaching jobs I've ever seen.

Their talent level is certainly below ours, and they have even less depth than we do. Bad enough to be 2-18 might be a surprise, but the fact that they are not good shouldn't be.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Their talent level is certainly below ours, and they have even less depth than we do. Bad enough to be 2-18 might be a surprise, but the fact that they are not good shouldn't be.

Their talent level is slightly below ours. Laszewski, Ryan, Goodwin, and Starling would all see plenty of minutes for us. Wertz isnt bad either. And the ACC media agrees with me because they were picked 6th. If they go 2-18, that will go down as perhaps the worst coaching job in ACC history. Stallings only did 2 games worse and had a D2 team

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Their talent level is slightly below ours. Laszewski, Ryan, Goodwin, and Starling would all see plenty of minutes for us. Wertz isnt bad either. And the ACC media agrees with me because they were picked 6th. If they go 2-18, that will go down as perhaps the worst coaching job in ACC history. Stallings only did 2 games worse and had a D2 team

Their talent level is certainly below ours, and they have even less depth than we do. Bad enough to be 2-18 might be a surprise, but the fact that they are not good shouldn't be.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I still think a loss to FSU being considered equivalent as a loss to RMU is stupid

Yeah 25% buckets is arbitrary. There is a big gap between the worst team in the country and FSU. FSU would likely be favored by 20 against whoever is last place in the MEAC

 

[SteelBowl70]

Yeah 25% buckets is arbitrary. There is a big gap between the worst team in the country and FSU. FSU would likely be favored by 20 against whoever is last place in the MEAC

Penn State got a Q1 win last night at OSU. Our home loss to Clemson and win over Wake are both Q3 as of today.