The fact a win over an 11-17 teams is quad one is another great example of NET being broken
Here's a shocker NOT. Joe Lunardi now has us as 1 of the last 4 byes!
- Thread starter PittPoker
- Start date
9-2 in their last 11 games and tied for 1st in the ACC and they are at the last 4 byes. I still don’t feel the people who are on the committee and actually put these teams in the tournament will see Pitt as being this low in the brackets. It’s absolutely insane that Pitt has to worry about dropping out of the tournament if by some chance they lose to Syracuse tomorrow or at Notre Dame next week.
In any other year I agree but the ACC is weak. Most years FSU and Lville would not be quad 3/4 wins. The reality is Pitt has a decent 7-7 quad 1/2 record but a lot of teams now have as many or more quad 1/2 wins without the losses Pitt has. Had Pitt beaten FSU at home this would be a moot point, but it hurts. Losing to Miami may not seem like a big deal but pushes them to 7-8 quad 1/2. Then if they were to lose an ACC tourney game it would be at least 9 q1/2 losses. They must avoid a loss to Cuse or ND and they are solidly in. It’s more lack of opportunities that other teams now have. They really could have used a win at VT.
I don't get the angst at the messenger..He's not a joke (now his haircut on the other hand is another matter) as he knows how things work in this system, good or bad, and spits it out as such with what usually turns out to be a high level of accuracy..
I get that NET seems to be driving 99% of these bracketologist predictions, and the lack of original human thought/“ACC is down” narrative has us in this 10 seed purgatory, but isn’t the AP polling more indicative of where we will end up seeding wise?
Like if we were to look at previous years AP top 25, what does that translate towards as a prediction for seeding? I think off the top of my head the AP polling tends to favor mid major storylines (FAU for example this year), but then those teams still get pushed down seeding wise come March, benefiting power conference teams.
Let’s use Pitts “27” ranking for example- that would make us a 7 seed today, higher than literally every prediction chart on bracketmatrix.
I understand that polls have nothing to do with the actual selection committee, but how strong are they in tournament/seed predicting? I’m not sure how to research this.
Like if we were to look at previous years AP top 25, what does that translate towards as a prediction for seeding? I think off the top of my head the AP polling tends to favor mid major storylines (FAU for example this year), but then those teams still get pushed down seeding wise come March, benefiting power conference teams.
Let’s use Pitts “27” ranking for example- that would make us a 7 seed today, higher than literally every prediction chart on bracketmatrix.
I understand that polls have nothing to do with the actual selection committee, but how strong are they in tournament/seed predicting? I’m not sure how to research this.
There is a human element and one that hopefully will work in our favor. I think the x-factor is road wins for us. That may very well boost us.
My hope is that they dont use NET like the bracketologists do so when the pairings come out, people are "shocked" to see Pitt as like a 5 or 6. Right now, you can absolutely justify a seeding that high if you take their NET rank out.
Either we get a 10/11 that may be more favorable and people will complain underseeded or an 8-9 that most will hate even though it could be a justified spot. Ideally I’d take a 6 or 7 and play the odds. I do think road wins will help and positive sentiment about first tourney appearance in 7 years. “Making their return to the field, the 9 seed Pitt panthers. And who will they face, perennial contenders, the Kentucky Wildcats.” Motherf’er
If you told me right now, we can have a 10 or 11 but no Dayton, I'd take it. An 11 without Dayton is a much easier path to the Sweet 16 than 8/9. A little more challenging 1st Round game but so what
So this morning he has us a 10 vs 7 MSU, then 2 KSU and 3 Tenn. I’d gladly sign up for that.
The ACC has lost many of their name, marquee coaches. The ones that are left aren't exactly in that category. Other than Bennett and possibly Larranaga and Boeheim, the name coaches are gone or going. Brey will be gone after this year. Larranaga will retire soon. Boeheim will be gone. The rest are unproven and too inconsistent. So the ACC won't get the positive spin that other leagues get with their name coaches and rep.
We'd have to win the ACCT to be cutting down the nets. I just don't see us beating a Miami or UVA again. But being third or fourth isn't bad considering we were picked 14th.
USA Today has their updated bracketology out today and has us as a 7 seed in Denver playing Florida Atlantic and then Texas after that if we win and they win.
Crazy from last 4 byes to a solid 7 seed lol.
Crazy from last 4 byes to a solid 7 seed lol.
I'd be happy with that seeding and match-up. Florida Atlantic is 25-3 and blows out their weak rump CUSA opponents but their only games this year against major conference teams was Ole Miss (2-13 in the SEC) which they lost 67-80, and Florida (7-8 in the SEC) which they won 76-74. I think ignore the record, they would be easier than most ACC opponents we've beat.
I am fine with Pitt dropping to a 10 or 11 as long as it keeps them out of the 1st 4 in Dayton. These matchups here against Michigan State and then playing Kansas State and then Tenn in the sweet 16 is definitely something much like you I would sign up for and run with it.
Jerry Palm’s CBS update today has Pitt as top 9 seed. Penn State and WVU are among the last 4 in. Michigan and UNC among first 4 out.
For what it’s worth, USA Today has us as a 7, possible second round matchup with Texas.
As I have pointed out, and the guy who does the Bubble Watch for the Athletic wrote earlier this week, the NCAA does not pick the teams nor seed the tournament by the team's NET ranking.
In fact the guy from the Athletic pointed out that last weekend's reveal showed that they are not doing that, and explicitly mentioned that the team that is most hurt by that was UConn (which I also pointed out) and the team that it helps the most is, wait for it, the Pitt Panthers.
You keep insisting that you know the way that this works, and yet you also keep insisting that they are going to do something that they explicitly say that they do not do, and that last weekend's reveal showed that they aren't doing.
Stop worrying. Unless we do something really stupid over these next couple games we will be just fine. And if we do something really stupid, well, we will have no reason to bitch.
