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Hinson on ACC radio says Jeffers making an impact next year. Biggest surprise contributor...

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Great news from the perspective of maturity (maybe not playing experience) and what I understand is a defensive minded player. Has anyone else seen any other comments from team on biggest surprises this year?

The twins getting bigger? Dior showing leadership?
 
Capel said he was most improved last year before injury. Maybe said it for his confidence, but also think he would be gone by now if not improving. Even if he can only hit .3 from 3, that’s a win with his defense. He’s also been in the system a long time and finally some continuity with some guys who have a similar team first mindset.
 
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Great to hear. Can't stop believing that the twins are going to be a lot better than some think. Have no special talent evaluation skills and can't back up my belief persuasively. I just see two very large humans who move way better than other similarly sized humans. And I think that means that their ceiling is in some ways much higher than similarly sized humans, and higher than many here have expressed.
 
Great to hear. Can't stop believing that the twins are going to be a lot better than some think. Have no special talent evaluation skills and can't back up my belief persuasively. I just see two very large humans who move way better than other similarly sized humans. And I think that means that their ceiling is in some ways much higher than similarly sized humans, and higher than many here have expressed.
Agree with you. I suspect the twins are going to be shooting - and making - a ton of three-pointers this season. At their height, who’s going to challenge their long-range shots?

Go Pitt.
 
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Great to hear. Can't stop believing that the twins are going to be a lot better than some think. Have no special talent evaluation skills and can't back up my belief persuasively. I just see two very large humans who move way better than other similarly sized humans. And I think that means that their ceiling is in some ways much higher than similarly sized humans, and higher than many here have expressed.
I’m pretty sure I’m the only person on here who doesn’t think they’re destined for Springfield Mass when their 15 year NBA playing careers are done so I’m not sure where you’re getting that many here haven’t suggested a higher ceiling?

If Will Jeffress plays any meaningful offensive basketball for Pitt next year, we are in trouble. He’s the worst regular offensive ACC player I’ve ever seen and that hitch in his shot needed more playing, not sitting out an entire year.

I’m a year older this year, that doesn’t mean I got better at shooting a basketball.
 
I’m pretty sure I’m the only person on here who doesn’t think they’re destined for Springfield Mass when their 15 year NBA playing careers are done so I’m not sure where you’re getting that many here haven’t suggested a higher ceiling?

If Will Jeffress plays any meaningful offensive basketball for Pitt next year, we are in trouble. He’s the worst regular offensive ACC player I’ve ever seen and that hitch in his shot needed more playing, not sitting out an entire year.

I’m a year older this year, that doesn’t mean I got better at shooting a basketball.
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Great to hear. Can't stop believing that the twins are going to be a lot better than some think. Have no special talent evaluation skills and can't back up my belief persuasively. I just see two very large humans who move way better than other similarly sized humans. And I think that means that their ceiling is in some ways much higher than similarly sized humans, and higher than many here have expressed.
Yeah last year I expected nothing to almost a redshirt from the twins. But man, they not only showed athleticism, but shooting and also really good BB IQ that I just wonder how they were so overlooked by schools. They have attributes that project to the next level.
 
I’m pretty sure I’m the only person on here who doesn’t think they’re destined for Springfield Mass when their 15 year NBA playing careers are done so I’m not sure where you’re getting that many here haven’t suggested a higher ceiling?

If Will Jeffress plays any meaningful offensive basketball for Pitt next year, we are in trouble. He’s the worst regular offensive ACC player I’ve ever seen and that hitch in his shot needed more playing, not sitting out an entire year.

I’m a year older this year, that doesn’t mean I got better at shooting a basketball.
But if he is bigger and stronger, Pitt needs someone who can mix it up and rebound against the Dukies of the world.
 
I’m pretty sure I’m the only person on here who doesn’t think they’re destined for Springfield Mass when their 15 year NBA playing careers are done so I’m not sure where you’re getting that many here haven’t suggested a higher ceiling?

If Will Jeffress plays any meaningful offensive basketball for Pitt next year, we are in trouble. He’s the worst regular offensive ACC player I’ve ever seen and that hitch in his shot needed more playing, not sitting out an entire year.

I’m a year older this year, that doesn’t mean I got better at shooting a basketball.
You were someone who came to mind when I posted this, but I don't think you're alone in your opinion. Also don't think anyone has suggested that they'll be NBA HOFers, and don't recall anyone suggesting that they are even likely to make the NBA. For what it's worth, I don' think they're likely to make the NBA. However, I do believe that they will be very good ACC players, that they will be vastly improved next year, and that it's fairly likely that they will be playing professionally somewhere after their time at Pitt.
 
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I’m pretty sure I’m the only person on here who doesn’t think they’re destined for Springfield Mass when their 15 year NBA playing careers are done so I’m not sure where you’re getting that many here haven’t suggested a higher ceiling?

If Will Jeffress plays any meaningful offensive basketball for Pitt next year, we are in trouble. He’s the worst regular offensive ACC player I’ve ever seen and that hitch in his shot needed more playing, not sitting out an entire year.

I’m a year older this year, that doesn’t mean I got better at shooting a basketball.

It's pretty silly to assume a player can't be better 2 years later. Especially when the kid was literally still a kid 2 years ago.

Now as a coach, you should know a rehab year is the perfect time to work on cleaning up fundamentals and flaws.

If he plays plus defense, rebounds well and scores garbage points- he will have a place in the rotation.
 
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It's pretty silly to assume a player can't be better 2 years later. Especially when the kid was literally still a kid 2 years ago.

Now as a coach, you should know a rehap year is the perfect time to work on cleaning up fundamentals and flaws.

If he plays plus defense, rebounds well and scores garbage points- he will have a place in the rotation.

If his shooting has improved that would be a difference maker,
 
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It's pretty silly to assume a player can't be better 2 years later. Especially when the kid was literally still a kid 2 years ago.

Now as a coach, you should know a rehab year is the perfect time to work on cleaning up fundamentals and flaws.

If he plays plus defense, rebounds well and scores garbage points- he will have a place in the rotation.
It’s silly to think a bad basketball player will be better by not playing basketball for a year. THAT is the silly part
 
I’m pretty sure I’m the only person on here who doesn’t think they’re destined for Springfield Mass when their 15 year NBA playing careers are done so I’m not sure where you’re getting that many here haven’t suggested a higher ceiling?

If Will Jeffress plays any meaningful offensive basketball for Pitt next year, we are in trouble. He’s the worst regular offensive ACC player I’ve ever seen and that hitch in his shot needed more playing, not sitting out an entire year.

I’m a year older this year, that doesn’t mean I got better at shooting a basketball.
How many hours have you put in ?
 
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Blake Hinson sat out with a blood disorder, was good before that happened. Not remotely close to the same situation. Does anyone on this site deal in reality?

Says the guy... who said what about Blake before last season?

Here's a clue- it wasn't that different from what you are saying about Jeffress now. Hopefully, this time next year I can point out how wrong you were..... again. Lol
 
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Says the guy... who said what about Blake before last season?

Here's a clue- it wasn't that different from what you are saying about Jeffress now. Hopefully, this time next year I can point out how wrong you were..... again. Lol
Blake Hinson was actually a skilled basketball player before he had to sit out. He had a medical disease that sidelined him. You seem to be missing a key difference. But you’re a blind homer who thinks every player who plays for Pitt is a god until they turn their back on Pitt then they were never good and a problem
 
Then how idiotic is it to say an 19/20 yr old kid who’s working his butt off to improve can’t ?
Because he sat out the most important year of growth not getting better? Lol. I swear you guys could see someone in a Pitt uniform take a shit on the court and claim it was good somehow.

He’s going to do and be the exact same player he was. Good defensively, move them ball, but it will be like playing 4 on 5 on offense. He has a broken jump shot and very little athleticism
 
Because he sat out the most important year of growth not getting better? Lol. I swear you guys could see someone in a Pitt uniform take a shit on the court and claim it was good somehow.

He’s going to do and be the exact same player he was. Good defensively, move them ball, but it will be like playing 4 on 5 on offense. He has a broken jump shot and very little athleticism
No , I just don’t write off a kid as you’re doing and amazingly some guys do get better ( while some don’t ) we’ll see soon enough .

If he was as hopeless as you suggest I’m sure he’d have been advised to move on .
 
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Blake Hinson was actually a skilled basketball player before he had to sit out. He had a medical disease that sidelined him. You seem to be missing a key difference. But you’re a blind homer who thinks every player who plays for Pitt is a god until they turn their back on Pitt then they were never good and a problem

Says the guy who claimed last season was the least talented team in their history. Lol. That's some eye for evaluating players you got there.

You were just off by a smidge... maybe a smidge and a half.
 
Says the guy who claimed last season was the least talented team in their history. Lol. That's some eye for evaluating players you got there.

You were just off by a smidge... maybe a smidge and a half.
I was completely right? The team as constructed by Capel was an abomination. Any team surrounding John Hugley would be.

As soon as they got rid of the anchor, they were able to be the 67th team in the tournament. It was a big big year

But at least you’re acknowledging your Hinson/Jeffress comparison is like comparing a NBA guy to a middle schooler talent wise. Glad you figured out I was right again.
 
I was completely right? The team as constructed by Capel was an abomination. Any team surrounding John Hugley would be.

As soon as they got rid of the anchor, they were able to be the 67th team in the tournament. It was a big big year

But at least you’re acknowledging your Hinson/Jeffress comparison is like comparing a NBA guy to a middle schooler talent wise. Glad you figured out I was right again.

That's some @Sean Miller Fan delusional logic.
 
That's some @Sean Miller Fan delusional logic.
Not at all. I was the only poster in here who never bought into the John Hugley hype. High volume, lazy player who was a bad human. Credit to him for helping construct the team, but he was the biggest cancer we’ve had in 5 years. Once he was removed, the team gelled and had a solid, fun year. It was an all time call by me staying away from the Hugley train.
 
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Not at all. I was the only poster in here who never bought into the John Hugley hype. High volume, lazy player who was a bad human. Credit to him for helping construct the team, but he was the biggest cancer we’ve had in 5 years. Once he was removed, the team gelled and had a solid, fun year. It was an all time call by me staying away from the Hugley train.

And none of that has anything to do with your comments about that being the least talented Pitt team ever.

But hey, if revisionist histrionics it makes you feel better- have at it.
 
And none of that has anything to do with your comments about that being the least talented Pitt team ever.

But hey, if revisionist histrionics it makes you feel better- have at it.
Sure it does. With John Hugley, none of those kids are talented to max out their abilities as they did last year. He clogs up paint, Burton Nike and Nelly can’t drive, get open 3’s for Hinson and Elliot. They all become way less talented and lose to Michigan and WVU by 30.

Without him clogging the paint, Capel was able to run a better offense and more efficient offense. They became more talented. Similar to how player are elevated in the NBA playing with better players. Not a difficult concept.

Back to Jeffress, there’s nothing wrong w being a 5-6 minute guy off the bench who provides a defensive rebounding spark. That’s what he is.
 
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Sure it does. With John Hugley, none of those kids are talented to max out their abilities as they did last year. He clogs up paint, Burton Nike and Nelly can’t drive, get open 3’s for Hinson and Elliot. They all become way less talented and lose to Michigan and WVU by 30.

Without him clogging the paint, Capel was able to run a better offense and more efficient offense. They became more talented. Similar to how player are elevated in the NBA playing with better players. Not a difficult concept.

Back to Jeffress, there’s nothing wrong w being a 5-6 minute guy off the bench who provides a defensive rebounding spark. That’s what he is.

That's some convenient back-filling of nonsensical logic from the guy who called this roster talentless.

Fact- You called this roster talentless.

Fact- The talent level doesn’t magically go up when person on team goes away. You can't have it both ways. Simply admit it was terrible assessment on your part.

Fact- All of the wish casting and back filling of subsequent nonsense you spew doesn't change the two previously stated facts.

IT's weird to try to recreate history when you posted your thoughts on a public forum. BTW, Pitt won 75% of the games Hugley played in. He didn't play in 2 of 3 really bad early losses. He was obviously not in game shape

Back to Jeffress. Go read what I wrote- I basically said the same thing but you went all "god-like player" because you are trying to deflect from your previous accessment.

I think it's possible that he will earn more than 5-6 mpg because of what you said. I don't get the logic of assuming his game will be the same as it was 2 years ago (given his age) but of course that's possible.

My take is pretty straightforward. He was playing too many minutes at his age and lost confidence in his shot. His arc flattened out from high school- like he was aiming not shooting- which further hurt his shooting percentage. That's not some impossible fix.
 
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That's some convenient back-filling of nonsensical logic from the guy who called this roster talentless.

Fact- You called this roster talentless.

Fact- The talent level doesn’t magically go up when person on team goes away. You can't have it both ways. Simply admit it was terrible assessment on your part.

Fact- All of the wish casting and back filling of subsequent nonsense you spew doesn't change the two previously stated facts.

IT's weird to try to recreate history when you posted your thoughts on a public forum. BTW, Pitt won 75% of the games Hugley played in. He didn't play in 2 of 3 really bad early losses. He was obviously not in game shape

Back to Jeffress. Go read what I wrote- I basically said the same thing but you went all "god-like player" because you are trying to deflect from your previous accessment.

I think it's possible that he will earn more than 5-6 mpg because of what you said. I don't get the logic of assuming his game will be the same as it was 2 years ago (given his age) but of course that's possible.

My take is pretty straightforward. He was playing too many minutes at his age and lost confidence in his shot. His arc flattened out from high school- like he was aiming not shooting- which further hurt his shooting percentage. That's not some impossible fix.
I am laughing so hard at your facts. I mean my god. Are you a standup comic

The talent level doesn’t go up when you take away a cancer/black hole LOL.

I honestly wonder if you watch basketball. Your takes are consistently awful

I’ll add I didn’t read one sentence after the second “fact” because it was so fkn dumb as your takes are.

Guys who aren’t talented at basketball don’t become talented by sitting out. That is an actual fact.
 
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I am laughing so hard at your facts. I mean my god. Are you a standup comic

The talent level doesn’t go up when you take away a cancer/black hole LOL.

I honestly wonder if you watch basketball. Your takes are consistently awful

I’ll add I didn’t read one sentence after the second “fact” because it was so fkn dumb as your takes are.

Ah, now I see the issue. You don't understand basic logical thinking. My bad.
 
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Ah, now I see the issue. You don't understand basic logical thinking. My bad.
Correct. That must be it!

Will Jeffress will probably average 15 a game after sitting out for a year because broken jump shots are fixed from the sidelines!

LOGIC!

It’s amazing how the Dallas Mavericks added one of the 7-8 most talented players in this world and were way worse. Stifling talent by being a cancer never happens.
 
So I’m clear here, when I said this team was that untalented (because again, I’m the only person who knew Hugley sucked) after losing to 2 below average teams by 25 + and a bad VCU team, you knew when Hugley decided to quit they were super talented? You thought they’d make the tourney? That’s what you’re going with. Your savior of the program had quit but now you thought that we would all of a sudden change everything the Capels had done for 4 years and win? Sounds true imo
 
Because he sat out the most important year of growth not getting better? Lol. I swear you guys could see someone in a Pitt uniform take a shit on the court and claim it was good somehow.

He’s going to do and be the exact same player he was. Good defensively, move them ball, but it will be like playing 4 on 5 on offense. He has a broken jump shot and very little athleticism
Which is y I said Santos was better. 1st to say champagnie was best player on team after like 4 games, got criticized for saying X wasn't that great of a point guard, and I believe 1st to say the twins have a good bit of potential and could actually contribute early. ....that being said, I hope Jeffress does awesome and I'm wrong.
 
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