Huggins may get off lightly, here’s why.

[NatronaHeightsPanther]

Hello. So, I read through the letter Huggins attorney’s sent to WVU, outlining his intention to remain HC at WVU. While I am not a lawyer, and have a true hatred for civil law, I will enjoy the spectacle of Huggins dragging WVU to court.

But, one of the biggest issues in the letter is when Huggins lawyer claimed that the case is close to being “fully resolved without charges.” On the surface, that may sound wrong and inconsistent with the law, but this is what I believe this lawyer is talking about. In Pennsylvania, there is a diversionary program called ARD. It is designed for non-violent 1st time offenders to give them a second chance. This program is mainly used in DUI, substance abuse, or drug charges. If the DA, Police and Judge agree to allow you to enter ARD, you are enrolled into what is a probationary program for a time determined by the judge. Once accepted, your charges are suspended, pending the successful completion of the program as determined by the judge. Assuming you complete the program in a satisfactory manner, including paying all charges associated with ARD, the charges are dropped, and you go on with your life. Conversely, if you screw it up and don’t follow the judges orders, you’re in for a tough time legally. I What’s interesting, the police charged Huggins as a 1st time offender, likely because it’s his first DUI in PA.

I would be beyond shocked if Robert Del Greco would be able to negotiate a dismissal of charges without the diversionary program being agreed to. Even if Del Greco would be able to convince the DA, the judge would have to approve. Also consider, the current DA Stephen Zappala lost his primary election, and is on real shaky ground. I don’t think he’s interested in letting a drunk walk after blowing a .210. There is definitely a high likelihood Huggins avoids serious charges at the end of this, as any of us would be afforded the same opportunity.

 

[wbrpanther]

Hello. So, I read through the letter Huggins attorney’s sent to WVU, outlining his intention to remain HC at WVU. While I am not a lawyer, and have a true hatred for civil law, I will enjoy the spectacle of Huggins dragging WVU to court.

But, one of the biggest issues in the letter is when Huggins lawyer claimed that the case is close to being “fully resolved without charges.” On the surface, that may sound wrong and inconsistent with the law, but this is what I believe this lawyer is talking about. In Pennsylvania, there is a diversionary program called ARD. It is designed for non-violent 1st time offenders to give them a second chance. This program is mainly used in DUI, substance abuse, or drug charges. If the DA, Police and Judge agree to allow you to enter ARD, you are enrolled into what is a probationary program for a time determined by the judge. Once accepted, your charges are suspended, pending the successful completion of the program as determined by the judge. Assuming you complete the program in a satisfactory manner, including paying all charges associated with ARD, the charges are dropped, and you go on with your life. Conversely, if you screw it up and don’t follow the judges orders, you’re in for a tough time legally. I What’s interesting, the police charged Huggins as a 1st time offender, likely because it’s his first DUI in PA.

I would be beyond shocked if Robert Del Greco would be able to negotiate a dismissal of charges without the diversionary program being agreed to. Even if Del Greco would be able to convince the DA, the judge would have to approve. Also consider, the current DA Stephen Zappala lost his primary election, and is on real shaky ground. I don’t think he’s interested in letting a drunk walk after blowing a .210. There is definitely a high likelihood Huggins avoids serious charges at the end of this, as any of us would be afforded the same opportunity.

Sure, WVU can and should do all those things to help Huggy get his life in order. One thing they should not and cannot do is give him his job back.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I don’t know the law either but with BAC that high I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he wasn’t eligible for ARD. In fact if I had to bet I’d say he wouldn’t be.

 

[FreeportPanther]

Sure, WVU can and should do all those things to help Huggy get his life in order. One thing they should not and cannot do is give him his job back.

Why?
Have you paid any attention to that entire state lately?
And WVU is a slow motion train wreck.
If Huggy were reinstated, he would be given a hero's welcome in the Hilljack state.

Bring him back, make the institution look even worse, and make the toothless nation happy.
Huggy will continue to embarrass them, they will be asked about it over and over, and it will seal their fate as PedState Lite.

 

[NatronaHeightsPanther]

I don’t know the law either but with BAC that high I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he wasn’t eligible for ARD. In fact if I had to bet I’d say he wouldn’t be.

Great point, but I’ve seen Del Greco work his magic in instances like this. I believe the preliminary hearing is August 17th, so we’ll get a clearer picture then.

 

[Papillion]

Why?
Have you paid any attention to that entire state lately?
And WVU is a slow motion train wreck.
If Huggy were reinstated, he would be given a hero's welcome in the Hilljack state.

Bring him back, make the institution look even worse, and make the toothless nation happy.
Huggy will continue to embarrass them, they will be asked about it over and over, and it will seal their fate as PedState Lite.

This is the kind of $hit I'm talking about. "PedState Lite?" You are actually comparing a DUI with pedophilia? And I'd remind you to take a peak at the WVU 247 board. There isn't one poster over there that is speaking very highly of Huggs right now.

 

[NatronaHeightsPanther]

Correction, Huggins apparently waived his right to a Preliminary hearing, and that August court date is an arraignment. He probably did that given that the evidence against him didn’t need to be re-hashed in court, the police report did a good job detailing most of the prudent information.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I’m not a lawyer, but did they actually CATCH him driving the car under the influence? I thought he had a flat on the side of the road. Again, don’t know the law at all but for some reason I thought they had to actually catch you in the act and there may have been a loophole

 

[pittchagg]

I’m not a lawyer, but did they actually CATCH him driving the car under the influence? I thought he had a flat on the side of the road. Again, don’t know the law at all but for some reason I thought they had to actually catch you in the act and there may have been a loophole

IIRC when they pulled up to the car, it was parked in the middle of the road. While the cops were there, Huggins tried to move the car out of the middle of the road, but when he couldn’t figure out how to park it, that’s when they started to do the DUI procedure.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I’m not a lawyer, but did they actually CATCH him driving the car under the influence? I thought he had a flat on the side of the road. Again, don’t know the law at all but for some reason I thought they had to actually catch you in the act and there may have been a loophole

They watched him try to make a 3 point turn and was jerking the vehicle by hard braking. I thought it said the officers witnessed this first.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Hey Papillion?? You guys are bringing ineptitude to new levels.

 

[NatronaHeightsPanther]

I’m not a lawyer, but did they actually CATCH him driving the car under the influence? I thought he had a flat on the side of the road. Again, don’t know the law at all but for some reason I thought they had to actually catch you in the act and there may have been a loophole

So, the law is clear. Let’s say you went to a local dive and decided that you were too drunk to dive, and you decided to sleep it off in your car. If a cop finds you sleeping in the drivers seat, that’s a DUI. PA doesn’t mess around with DUI cases.

 

[Chanceman]

The high BAC will not disqualify him from ARD. It usually just triggers a longer license suspension and tougher conditions. If he does everything ARD requires, his record can be expunged so it will be like it never happened. The ARD staff can interview him when he appears for the arraignment. The ARD conditions cannot possibly be met for many months, probably a year.

 

[DruidTM]

He had at least one other DUI 20 years ago

When pulled over smelling of alcohol… vomit visible on car door… failed field sobriety and when asked what time he stopped drinking he replied “ No sir”….

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Huggins has to sit it out next year. But he returns in the season.

 

[NatronaHeightsPanther]

The high BAC will not disqualify him from ARD. It usually just triggers a longer license suspension and tougher conditions. If he does everything ARD requires, his record can be expunged so it will be like it never happened. The ARD staff can interview him when he appears for the arraignment. The ARD conditions cannot possibly be met for many months, probably a year.

The judge still has to sign off on ARD. I suppose the judge could consider other circumstances and deny ARD. I’ve never seen it happen, but I guess it could. And I wouldn’t be surprised if the probationary period is 18-24 months.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

It might happen now that it seems he’s one that can’t move on to a life without his career job. He pulls in a lot of $ (although ironically most of it health related). And as we’ve seen, if any of the big check writers sense witch-hunt or fake news, they’ll vote retain and keep blindly writing.

 

[FreeportPanther]

This is the kind of $hit I'm talking about. "PedState Lite?" You are actually comparing a DUI with pedophilia? And I'd remind you to take a peak at the WVU 247 board. There isn't one poster over there that is speaking very highly of Huggs right now.

Hence Lite!

I won't be going to WVU 247 or any other Hillbilly board. I already had my shower this morning, and don't care to need another!

 

[Papillion]

Hey Papillion?? You guys are bringing ineptitude to new levels.

I wouldn't celebrate too hard now cause there's always a pitt f**kup just around the corner. We all know this to be true.

 

[NatronaHeightsPanther]

I wouldn't celebrate too hard now cause there's always a pitt f**kup just around the corner. We all know this to be true.

Maybe, but I would bet my life no one at Pitt is seriously endangering anyone’s life. Huggins may get off easy in the eyes of the law, but what he did was dangerous and a miracle he didn’t kill someone. The reality is if he had killed someone, he’d be looking at dying in a PA State prison.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

I wouldn't celebrate too hard now cause there's always a pitt f**kup just around the corner. We all know this to be true.

When was the last time a Pitt coach was arrested for DUI? Huggins, I'm sure, has driven drunk more times than I can count. He just hasn't been caught enough.

Yes, Pitt has done some dumb things in the past....like hiring Stallings while pushing Dixon out the door. But nothing this completely idiotic and irresponsible as what your coach did. DUI is a very serious matter. He could kill people if he isn't taken off the road. Your state, your university and your coaches are a laughing stock everywhere.

Maybe you should consider those shock collars for Huggins like they use to train dogs. Every time he takes a drink of alcohol, he gets a shock. The problem is dogs are smarter than Huggins and they actually get trained. Huggins would just keep drinking, he's so dumb.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Hello. So, I read through the letter Huggins attorney’s sent to WVU, outlining his intention to remain HC at WVU. While I am not a lawyer, and have a true hatred for civil law, I will enjoy the spectacle of Huggins dragging WVU to court.

But, one of the biggest issues in the letter is when Huggins lawyer claimed that the case is close to being “fully resolved without charges.” On the surface, that may sound wrong and inconsistent with the law, but this is what I believe this lawyer is talking about. In Pennsylvania, there is a diversionary program called ARD. It is designed for non-violent 1st time offenders to give them a second chance. This program is mainly used in DUI, substance abuse, or drug charges. If the DA, Police and Judge agree to allow you to enter ARD, you are enrolled into what is a probationary program for a time determined by the judge. Once accepted, your charges are suspended, pending the successful completion of the program as determined by the judge. Assuming you complete the program in a satisfactory manner, including paying all charges associated with ARD, the charges are dropped, and you go on with your life. Conversely, if you screw it up and don’t follow the judges orders, you’re in for a tough time legally. I What’s interesting, the police charged Huggins as a 1st time offender, likely because it’s his first DUI in PA.

I would be beyond shocked if Robert Del Greco would be able to negotiate a dismissal of charges without the diversionary program being agreed to. Even if Del Greco would be able to convince the DA, the judge would have to approve. Also consider, the current DA Stephen Zappala lost his primary election, and is on real shaky ground. I don’t think he’s interested in letting a drunk walk after blowing a .210. There is definitely a high likelihood Huggins avoids serious charges at the end of this, as any of us would be afforded the same opportunity.

He wasnt fired because they thought he was going to jail. He was fired due to college athletics stupid moral clause (which doesn't apply to politicians). I said at the time that WVU, an athletic department of low morals shouldn't have fired Huggy for morals but they did. Now they could hire him back but all of this has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the case. He got a DUI. Nothing about that has changed. Its not like new evidence surfaced and it wasn't actually him driving. So for him to be rehired, they would likely have to go the LSU route and fire the AD. LSU's AD had the audacity to suspend Will Wade for morals so they fired his ass and reinstated him. WVU could do this but I wouldn't bank on it. They have money and could hire a very good coach in March

 

[FreeportPanther]

wouldn't celebrate too hard now cause there's always a pitt f**kup just around the corner. We all know this to be true.

F' off Kreeton!
You over here looking for sympathy is laughable.

Your drunken and boorish fan base is the primary reason your "school", and I use that term lightly, is not acceptable for the ACC.

Excuse me for comparing your sick fanbase to PedState. I had forgotten you sexual perversion of choice was incest!

Huggins and WVU, and the entire state of WV are a perfect match!
Fit each other to a T.

Hoping here he's able to game the legal system and take his rightful place as the face of WVU. No one better!!!

 

[CrazyPaco]

I wouldn't celebrate too hard now cause there's always a pitt f**kup just around the corner. We all know this to be true.

WVU didn't screw up here. Huggins did. WVU can only screw up how they handle things, and they haven't and I doubt they will as they have already moved on.

Huggins knows he isn't getting his job back. This is a bitter play for retribution and settlement money.

Pitt is not immune to any of its 14,000 employees doing stupid or heinous things. Hell, they've been in the news in the past. No institution is immune. It is all about how, institutionally, things are handled afterwords. That is why PSU was so revolting; they covered it up for decades and then continue to make awful decisions that demonstrate they still have learned nothing and continue with bewildering and amoral priorities.

That does not appear to be WVU in this instance, and thankfully, that doesn't seem to have been how Pitt has conducted itself most of the time thus far.

 

[HOF Coach]

F' off Kreeton!
You over here looking for sympathy is laughable.

Your drunken and boorish fan base is the primary reason your "school", and I use that term lightly, is not acceptable for the ACC.

Excuse me for comparing your sick fanbase to PedState. I had forgotten you sexual perversion of choice was incest!

Huggins and WVU, and the entire state of WV are a perfect match!
Fit each other to a T.

Hoping here he's able to game the legal system and take his rightful place as the face of WVU. No one better!!!

@FreeportPanther 👇

@Papillion 👇

 

[Pitt79]

If I was him, I'd do the same thing and if not get my job back I'd fight to get my full pay due, I'd personally never resign from anything, even if I was caught DUI in blackface with a prostitute I'd be at work the next day laughing !!!

 

[csh2088]

He wasnt fired because they thought he was going to jail. He was fired due to college athletics stupid moral clause (which doesn't apply to politicians). I said at the time that WVU, an athletic department of low morals shouldn't have fired Huggy for morals but they did. Now they could hire him back but all of this has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the case. He got a DUI. Nothing about that has changed. Its not like new evidence surfaced and it wasn't actually him driving. So for him to be rehired, they would likely have to go the LSU route and fire the AD. LSU's AD had the audacity to suspend Will Wade for morals so they fired his ass and reinstated him. WVU could do this but I wouldn't bank on it. They have money and could hire a very good coach in March

For years student-athletes had to walk on egg shells getting in trouble for the slightest rules violation and being treated like criminals if they decide to transfer. The coaches are allowed to act like assholes, cheat on their wives, drive drunk and at the first sign of trouble can leave for another school and their previous school is the one that pays penalty. Oh the plight of the poor college coach.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Huggins deserves every bit of acrimony and punishment he gets, and then some. He should be paying a hefty fine for this. And forget him getting his job back. If wvu did that, it would be one of the dumbest things ever done at a university. They know the cancer he is and if they're smart, they'll tell him to take a hike. Maybe they already have.

 

[bayardstreet]

Symptomatic of too many long time friends and boosters who wanted to see Huggins get to 1000 wins and possibly make an elite 8 appearance in this 2024 tournament. Most of the university attorneys are probably friends of Huggins. He is more popular than the governor and US Senators. I could actually see a ground swell of support if Huggins actually went into some rehab for 6-8 weeks. It’s going to get ugly until there is a money settlement but he will not return as head coach. After this upcoming season for men’s hoops you will see the 78 year old president retire and depending on how the season goes perhaps even the AD will exit.

I love it !

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

F' off Kreeton!
You over here looking for sympathy is laughable.

Your drunken and boorish fan base is the primary reason your "school", and I use that term lightly, is not acceptable for the ACC.

Excuse me for comparing your sick fanbase to PedState. I had forgotten you sexual perversion of choice was incest!

Huggins and WVU, and the entire state of WV are a perfect match!
Fit each other to a T.

Hoping here he's able to game the legal system and take his rightful place as the face of WVU. No one better!!!

Not to mention all the delight they have taken over our struggles and self inflicted gunshots. So yeah, we are taking pleasure in their despair.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

Remember that Huggins is a good friend of Bob Nutting. Nutting is desperately cheap when it comes to paying competent baseball players…but probably would spring to buy off a judge and/or DA. Won’t expect any accountability in this situation, as awful as it was.

 

[happjack]

He wasnt fired because they thought he was going to jail. He was fired due to college athletics stupid moral clause (which doesn't apply to politicians). I said at the time that WVU, an athletic department of low morals shouldn't have fired Huggy for morals but they did. Now they could hire him back but all of this has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the case. He got a DUI. Nothing about that has changed. Its not like new evidence surfaced and it wasn't actually him driving. So for him to be rehired, they would likely have to go the LSU route and fire the AD. LSU's AD had the audacity to suspend Will Wade for morals so they fired his ass and reinstated him. WVU could do this but I wouldn't bank on it. They have money and could hire a very good coach in March

Getting arrested for driving drunk in a university leased vehicle supersedes any morals clause.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Getting arrested for driving drunk in a university leased vehicle supersedes any morals clause.

Supersedes? Seems like a flat out violation.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

This is not a guy sitting in a bar and getting lit. Then trying to drive home a couple of miles. This is a 70 year old multimillionaire, who drove with a case of beer along I 70 for 150 miles to Washington Pa. Stopped got a couple of whoppers and continued what he thought was home. Still drinking, but he missed his mark and ended up on the Northside of Pittsburgh where 100K were congregating. He was 100 miles off his mark in Morgantown. He then realized something, and tried to find a way back, at this point at a 0.21, which even for an experienced drunk is trashed, and was going to drive 100 miles consuming more beers. The shredded tire and police stop saved his life and some others. But then to treat it lightly because "no one was hurt" is wrong.

That is inexcusable reckless behavior. Unexplainable.

 

[Pitt2006]

This is not a guy sitting in a bar and getting lit. Then trying to drive home a couple of miles. This is a 70 year old multimillionaire, who drove with a case of beer along I 70 for 150 miles to Washington Pa. Stopped got a couple of whoppers and continued what he thought was home. Still drinking, but he missed his mark and ended up on the Northside of Pittsburgh where 100K were congregating. He was 100 miles off his mark in Morgantown. He then realized something, and tried to find a way back, at this point at a 0.21, which even for an experienced drunk is trashed, and was going to drive 100 miles consuming more beers. The shredded tire and police stop saved his life and some others. But then to treat it lightly because "no one was hurt" is wrong.

That is inexcusable reckless behavior. Unexplainable.

Agreed and it is not his first time. The dude needs rehab. Also, the potential for long-term neurotoxic effects on his brain are there given his intake history. He is lucky to not have hurt anyone. Have we all made questionable choices in the past. No one is a saint. But this is not a first time offender… It’s also shocking WVU doesn’t have transport for him though. High paid coaches can use private jets, etc. They really couldn’t hire a full-time driver for him?

 

[Papillion]

Maybe, but I would bet my life no one at Pitt is seriously endangering anyone’s life. Huggins may get off easy in the eyes of the law, but what he did was dangerous and a miracle he didn’t kill someone. The reality is if he had killed someone, he’d be looking at dying in a PA State prison.

No one is arguing that. Our fans just about have pitchforks and torches marching towards his door.

 

[OH Pete]

Hello. So, I read through the letter Huggins attorney’s sent to WVU, outlining his intention to remain HC at WVU. While I am not a lawyer, and have a true hatred for civil law, I will enjoy the spectacle of Huggins dragging WVU to court.

But, one of the biggest issues in the letter is when Huggins lawyer claimed that the case is close to being “fully resolved without charges.” On the surface, that may sound wrong and inconsistent with the law, but this is what I believe this lawyer is talking about. In Pennsylvania, there is a diversionary program called ARD. It is designed for non-violent 1st time offenders to give them a second chance. This program is mainly used in DUI, substance abuse, or drug charges. If the DA, Police and Judge agree to allow you to enter ARD, you are enrolled into what is a probationary program for a time determined by the judge. Once accepted, your charges are suspended, pending the successful completion of the program as determined by the judge. Assuming you complete the program in a satisfactory manner, including paying all charges associated with ARD, the charges are dropped, and you go on with your life. Conversely, if you screw it up and don’t follow the judges orders, you’re in for a tough time legally. I What’s interesting, the police charged Huggins as a 1st time offender, likely because it’s his first DUI in PA.

I would be beyond shocked if Robert Del Greco would be able to negotiate a dismissal of charges without the diversionary program being agreed to. Even if Del Greco would be able to convince the DA, the judge would have to approve. Also consider, the current DA Stephen Zappala lost his primary election, and is on real shaky ground. I don’t think he’s interested in letting a drunk walk after blowing a .210. There is definitely a high likelihood Huggins avoids serious charges at the end of this, as any of us would be afforded the same opportunity.

Won't he have to admit guilt to get ARD? IMO, WVU shouldn't base their decision on whether charges get erased and should be based on what he actually did.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

So, the law is clear. Let’s say you went to a local dive and decided that you were too drunk to dive, and you decided to sleep it off in your car. If a cop finds you sleeping in the drivers seat, that’s a DUI. PA doesn’t mess around with DUI cases.

That’s stupid. You might as well just drive in that case lol

 

[NatronaHeightsPanther]

No one is arguing that. Our fans just about have pitchforks and torches marching towards his door.

The administration and donors don’t seem to share in that sediment. Otherwise, Baker would have fired him for cause and washed his hands of Huggins.

 

[NatronaHeightsPanther]

That’s stupid. You might as well just drive in that case lol

Well, if you drive, you may end up killing someone and making a bad situation about a zillion times worse.

Generally, I think it’s important for police to be nuanced in these situations. For example, if you sleep in the backseat or passenger seat with no keys in the ignition, I would never charge someone with DUI in those instances. It was clear that person didn’t intend to drive. You just have to be smart about drinking and have a plan before you get slammed.