Again, I never said PSU was better than Pitt. As far as my being a "nitter," I am a double graduate of Pitt and a basketball season ticket holder for 20 years. I know anyone that says anything remotely negative about Pitt is a "nitter" here, but I think I might have earned my cred as a Pitt fan.
I hate PSU as much as the next guy...
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fnihost: "no, Notre Dame is not even remotely close to as good as Iowa."
Notre Dame is one of the hottest teams in the ACC... 8-2 in their past 10, including wins over UNC, Louisville, at Duke, and at Clemson in that span. Only losses are at Syracuse and at Miami.
Iowa has now lost 2 of their past 3... and the one they won was by 4 points at home over a 6-20 Minnesota team. Yes. 6-20 Minnesota took them to the limit *AT* Iowa.
Iowa is imploding. If Notre Dame played Iowa right now, it would be an Irish win by double digits.
For some more perspective on Iowa's thrilling 4-point win over Minnesota a few days ago.
Minnesota last won a game on December 16th, 2015. Against Chicago State.
They are 6-20 and winless in the Big Ten.
That's Iowa's only win in their past three times out. And they followed that win with a loss at PSU.
I'm not so sure they'd beat Pitt right now.
Minnesota last won a game on December 16th, 2015. Against Chicago State.
They are 6-20 and winless in the Big Ten.
That's Iowa's only win in their past three times out. And they followed that win with a loss at PSU.
I'm not so sure they'd beat Pitt right now.
I was not "befuddled" by anything. He said I was rendered "mute." Had I been rendered "mute" it would have meant I was no longer talking. He misused the word and tried to cover it with a dumb excuse. He was wrong then and is wrong about Notre Dame being better than Iowa. I also didn't draw any conclusions about a cherry picked game or have any gaps in logic. Iowa is better than Notre Dame right now. I stand by that argument. Pitt is also better than Penn State, but unfortunately, not by much anymore.
I didn't misuse the word at all. I was saying that it should have shut you up. If you had any sense, anyway.
And you have no basis for saying Iowa is better than Notre Dame right now.
Notre Dame is red-hot right now.... and Iowa is in a funk.
You're wrong about ND and Iowa no matter which way you want to look at it... then *OR* now.
Even if Iowa is better than Notre Dame now, and at a neutral site they might be -- what happens in a one game sample against Penn State means nothing. It's a crazy, unpredictable game where upsets are more or less what gives the sport its charm.
Penn State getting their ass handed to them by Nebraska means just as much as the game against Iowa, which means just as much as any singular game Pitt has played.
Correct. But this thread was started by someone who wanted to extrapolate some meaning from it.
Comparing how they're playing NOW:
An Iowa team that is in a bit of a tailspin the past week and a half
vs.
A Notre Dame team that is on a 8-2 streak in which they've beaten 3 ranked teams and pulled to within one game of the ACC lead
But we have another data point.... and that is the two teams actually playing each other this season. And Notre Dame beat Iowa.
So Notre Dame was better than Iowa at the beginning of the season... and is playing better than them as of late.
Iowa had a very good middle of the season..... But if they played Notre Dame today, with the way both teams are playing right now, the result would look pretty much like it did when they met early in the season.
I realize that. My original point was that Pitt could never beat a team like Iowa this year. Everyone else extrapolated that that meant I was saying Penn State was better than Pitt. I never said that because it isn't true. What is true is that Pitt is a gutless team and has played like crap of late and would fold like a cheap tent against any top five caliber team. That was and is my point, the win over Notre Dame when Pitt was arguably playing their best basketball this year not withstanding.
"Pitt could never beat a team like Iowa this year".
A. If 6-20 Minnesota could take Iowa to the wire just four days ago *AT* Iowa... then Pitt could beat Iowa.
B. If 13-13 PSU could beat Iowa, at any venue..... then Pitt could beat Iowa.
C. If Pitt could be the only team in America to win a game at South Bend this year... then Pitt could beat Iowa, who is inferior to ND right now.
Would Pitt beat Iowa right now? Probably not. Pitt is struggling.
But if Minnesota could come within a hair of beating Iowa at Iowa when they haven't won a game in 2016.... then Pitt could beat Iowa right now.
Penn State always wins fluky games like this. They beat Michigan there just two years ago when they were ranked 4th. Also, if you watched the game, Iowa just totally mailed it in. Their best player, Uthoff, looked like he wanted to be somewhere else.
Is Penn State better than Pitt this year - No.
Does Pitt have a win as good as Iowa - No.
I think both are true.
I get what OP was saying. It does suck to see PSU win a game like this, not so much because it means they are passing Pitt as a program or anything like that, its more a reminder that when Pitt has had chances against highly ranked teams (when we played them), we haven't come through.
However, to counter a point the OP made later in the thread, regarding Pitt being "gutless" and "folding against a good team", I don't think Pitt mailed it in against a top 10 Miami team last week, who playing them on the road is every bit as tough to playing Iowa at home. Pitt played very tough that game, rallied twice I think from being down 7 in the second half. While the UNC game was clearly a low for the program in terms of competitiveness, and the Wake game had some sequences that boggled the mind, really only a week ago we went toe to toe with a really good team who hasn't lost at home in the ACC all season.
Hail to Pitt
Is Penn State better than Pitt this year - No.
Does Pitt have a win as good as Iowa - No.
I think both are true.
I get what OP was saying. It does suck to see PSU win a game like this, not so much because it means they are passing Pitt as a program or anything like that, its more a reminder that when Pitt has had chances against highly ranked teams (when we played them), we haven't come through.
However, to counter a point the OP made later in the thread, regarding Pitt being "gutless" and "folding against a good team", I don't think Pitt mailed it in against a top 10 Miami team last week, who playing them on the road is every bit as tough to playing Iowa at home. Pitt played very tough that game, rallied twice I think from being down 7 in the second half. While the UNC game was clearly a low for the program in terms of competitiveness, and the Wake game had some sequences that boggled the mind, really only a week ago we went toe to toe with a really good team who hasn't lost at home in the ACC all season.
Hail to Pitt
Nc state isn't good this year, either.
We aren't good..
But better
so, you are still befuddled.
And that point is stupid.
Last year our team was worse, and we managed to beat Unc and Notre dame, both highly ranked teams.
It's a silly and stupid premise.
You can't be saying that as of 7 pm Wednesday February 17 that there were only three teams in the nation better than Iowa
Name a top five team that Pitt would beat right now at any venue. Go ahead. You are a silly and stupid poster.
Actually we match up with Iowa ok. No inside game, very perimeter oriented but not great guards at penetration. It's all about matchups,so we lose to three teams in the top 10 (one loss at the buzzer basically) doesn't make us a horrible team. Texas Tech beat Okl last night, this is college basketball this year.
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On any given night we could upset a top team... Because that happens in college sports.
It's also not a feat which has relevance outside of that context.
Clearly you are up on Penn state and down at Pitt at the moment.
And that's fine..
It also still makes your thread stupid because the premise is flawed...
Just like your nonsense about Notre dame vs Iowa, which is a game that already happened.
And yes, at this moment... Nd would beat Iowa, because Iowa is struggling and nd is red hot.
Again, for the 1000th time this thread, I assigned PSU's win no relevance other than the fact that this Pitt team playing as it is right now, couldn't beat a top 40 team, let alone a top 5 team. I know reading is hard for you, but if you try, I bet you could sound the letters out. Go ahead. We can wait.
I rout for the Nitters to lose and lose big in all sports.
But this is a basketball program on the rise for sure!
Maybe we'd beat them this year but the PITT trend line is a downward slope and the Nitter bball trend line is in an upward direction.
Look at the loss margins in their big games. They're won some big ones, lost some games they should have won but they play tough close games.
That's a sign of a team of program that could break out and start to win the close ones.
PITT should take notice and pick up the pace or you'll soon see Nitter basketball ahead of PITT basketball which would be really bad!
But this is a basketball program on the rise for sure!
Maybe we'd beat them this year but the PITT trend line is a downward slope and the Nitter bball trend line is in an upward direction.
Look at the loss margins in their big games. They're won some big ones, lost some games they should have won but they play tough close games.
That's a sign of a team of program that could break out and start to win the close ones.
PITT should take notice and pick up the pace or you'll soon see Nitter basketball ahead of PITT basketball which would be really bad!
Penn State sucks. I saw Pitt take Duquesne to the woodshed this season. The same Duquesne team blew the doors off of Penn State. Sad teams can steal a game at home sometimes. Penn State sucks.
Thank you for conceding your entire premise has no relevance.
We agree.
Did you predict a ps u upset because the nits were playing well coming off a 26 point loss at Nebraska?
Does being the heir to the Massengill fortune make you act this way, or do you come by it naturally?
Hey Skippy so far in this thread you've used all your usual adult words, silly, dumb, stupid!
Not to mention you're lousy jokes!
Well every organization even message boards has a bottom rung and you've secured that position with few challengers! Congrats Skippy!
Don't be too hard on him. He has so little in life that belittling others on a free basketball message board makes him feel like a big man. We should start a Go Fund Me for him.
"but there is no way on god's green earth that the Pitt basketball team would have beaten Iowa on any court and under any circumstances this year"... sorry but that is absurd (nicer word)....Iowa was coming off a loss to Indiana followed by a four point squeaker at home to Minnesota....seems to me the type of unstoppable juggernaut that would come into to the Pete as a 3-5 point favorite....Not talking Miracle on Ice here.....
Yes. The unstoppable Pete where Pitt just got taken to double overtime by a team that hasn't won a conference road game in two years and by all rights, should have lost. I stand by what I said.
You really seem to want to die on this hill.
Isn't the fact that we played the #10 team to essentially an even game, in THEIR gym, perhaps evidence that we could beat a top 5 team at some venue? Certainly we have had enough blowouts to make you feel otherwise, but I just don't like absolutes. Iowa played horrible last night, and I think Pitt could have beaten that Iowa team.
Perhaps my speaking in absolutes is what is confusing everyone about my point. I am willing to concede that if a meteor struck the bus of the top five team Pitt was facing on any given night on their way to the arena, Pitt might pull one out against them, but that's only if Artis' shot is on.
You've lost the argument you started several times and to several different people, you really just need to give up while you're behind. Your point isn't good enough to win at this game and you continue to dig your hole deeper and deeper.
It's time to slink away with your tail between your legs so this thread will sink to the bottom of the board. You're embarrassing yourself at this point and no one wants to see that happen to anyone...
Yes. You're right. It is really embarrassing to have people disagree with you on a free message board. My tail is firmly between my legs. I bow to your ability to talk crap. The funny thing is, I never was arguing in the first place. I stated an opinion. It was an opinion that was "refuted" by other opinions. The fact is that no one knows what would happen if Pitt played Iowa. My opinion is that they would lose. Others' opinion is that they could win. Tell me again how I lost this? Oh right. I didn't. My real question is how some of you continue to type with all of the drool that must be on your keyboards.
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Good comeback, big man. That'll make up for whatever personal hardship you are currently facing! You did it, buddy! You called me small! Now go hug your teddy and ask mommy for some soup.
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standing on that "no way" got it....Would you have applied the same "no way" analogy to Penn State two days ago?
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