They are on the circle jerk board, now asking for polygraph test. We all know, if those test came back different from what they hope for, they would find issues with the test. Give them credit, they made any of our Pedey sheep look 100 Sane!
I have to admit, the PSU cult/klan are hilarious
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Predictable responses as always.
They have a link to a letter Jay Paturdo wrote in response to the latest bombshells.
I didn't read all of it as its long, droning and senseless.
What I did get they are comparing themselves to the Duke LaCrosse Scandal.
A known prostitute claims she was raped at a party. At Ped State you have a child molester - in jail, payoffs to over 30 victims, multiple incidents and reports over 30 years. The police even found out and sealed the records. Over $409 million is settlements and cost (so far)
Guess its me - I don't see the comparisons.
Even funnier Jay starts about the coaches speaking out and he's a coach.
He's hardly going to give an unbiased response as his family is in lawsuits regarding the whole subject. Why would anyone believe anything he would say? The fact he was a coach points out another level of the corruption - the Paturdo's family nepotism.
May be someone else can read the letter more thoroughly. It's the usual garbage. Witnesses are liars, blah blah blah.
Really getting old.
They have a link to a letter Jay Paturdo wrote in response to the latest bombshells.
I didn't read all of it as its long, droning and senseless.
What I did get they are comparing themselves to the Duke LaCrosse Scandal.
A known prostitute claims she was raped at a party. At Ped State you have a child molester - in jail, payoffs to over 30 victims, multiple incidents and reports over 30 years. The police even found out and sealed the records. Over $409 million is settlements and cost (so far)
Guess its me - I don't see the comparisons.
Even funnier Jay starts about the coaches speaking out and he's a coach.
He's hardly going to give an unbiased response as his family is in lawsuits regarding the whole subject. Why would anyone believe anything he would say? The fact he was a coach points out another level of the corruption - the Paturdo's family nepotism.
May be someone else can read the letter more thoroughly. It's the usual garbage. Witnesses are liars, blah blah blah.
Really getting old.
Would love to see Bradley and schiano take a polygraph along with Mcquery.
Why McQuery? Albeit 10 years too late, but at least he finally admitted what happened - without him NONE of this would have come to light.
McQueary vs. Bradley/Schiano is currently "he said/she said." And nothing more.
Polygraph tests are kind of meaningless to me (and to the courts as well), but in a "he said/she said" situation wondering about the truthful-ness of each sides' claim isn't a crazy and radical opinion.
Regardless - MM should be lauded in your circles for exposing a serial pedophile.
I'll take that as a concession that I had a point.
I can only speak for myself, I don't (and no individual fan can do this) speak for the entire fanbase: I don't have a problem with McQueary's actions in 2001.
If he is lying about Bradley and Schiano (the validity of his remarks about Tom and Greg are much more of an open question vs. the validity of what he told Paterno: we have Joe's own court testimony as regards their conversation)? Yes, then I do have a problem with McQueary.
Get real... If the polygraph came back and it showed that MM had inconsistencies in his statements, then all of a sudden the polygraph would mean the world to you.
The deeper you nitwits want to dive into this, the worse it gets for you. I hope they give them all polygraphs. I'll bet everything I own that it will show that MM is telling the truth.
Then, like the OP said, you'll blame the test itself:
"Was the guy giving the test a Pitter?"
"I'd like to see the questions they asked Bradley and Schiano. I'll bet they were leading questions."
Etc....
You'll end up looking like bigger fools (which at this point is tough to do...)
Really, MM was part of the cover-up in actuality. He told Joe, who then covered it up. Then in exchange for his silence, bid red was given a paid coaching position--a promotion from graduate assistant. He never pushed this when nothing happened and it wasn't until Jerry did this at a local high school that it actually came out.
The only thing that MM did differently from anyone else is he didn't lie about it later after the fact when this was investigated. "Success with Your Honor" is really the Penn State mantra. It's all about the facade and not about the substance.
Anyone remember the Lance Armstrong saga... Nitters finally accept the school is a cult and paturdo is rotting in hell because of it... The sooner the better ... And always feel for the victims(not psu).
To be clear, not equating doping to duping..
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I'll take that as a concession that I had a point.
I can only speak for myself, I don't (and no individual fan can do this) speak for the entire fanbase: I don't have a problem with McQueary's actions in 2001.
If he is lying about Bradley and Schiano (the validity of his remarks about Tom and Greg are much more of an open question vs. the validity of what he told Paterno: we have Joe's own court testimony as regards their conversation)? Yes, then I do have a problem with McQueary.
Please tell me why he would lie??
Now there is a reason for Schiano and Bradley to lie... there is absolutely no reason for.McQueary to lie
Exactly. MM has no reason to lie. By telling the truth (or if you are PSU loyalist "all lies"), he basically was ostracized from Penn State...which of course was his alma mater and the school he played and later coached for after graduating. His football coaching career pretty much ended by telling the truth and under oath.
Bradley and Schiano have likely been advised by lawyers that there is no evidence to support it, given this was before email and other tracking (as well as many of those involved having also died, like Paterno). That is the one thing benefiting PSU is that this was before much information was tracked, Paterno was senile in his later years, and likely most of anything was destroyed either on purpose or through normal data purges.
Bradley and Schiano dont want to go the same way as Mike McQueary. Any mention that they confirmed that they saw things involving Sandusky or the other coaches knew of child abuse on-and-off campus, and their lucrative paychecks and football coaching careers are over. Apparently both are fine living with that on their souls.
Bradley and Schiano have likely been advised by lawyers that there is no evidence to support it, given this was before email and other tracking (as well as many of those involved having also died, like Paterno). That is the one thing benefiting PSU is that this was before much information was tracked, Paterno was senile in his later years, and likely most of anything was destroyed either on purpose or through normal data purges.
Bradley and Schiano dont want to go the same way as Mike McQueary. Any mention that they confirmed that they saw things involving Sandusky or the other coaches knew of child abuse on-and-off campus, and their lucrative paychecks and football coaching careers are over. Apparently both are fine living with that on their souls.
This was my exact question every time I hear one of these cockamamie theories.
You don't need to start conducting polygraph tests. You just need to FINALLY use some common sense.
It is very simple. Who stands/stood to gain by lying and who doesn't? That will lead you right to the logical conclusion.
What possible motivation would Mike McQueery have to lie? I can think of a lot of things he stood to lose by blowing the whistle but not a whole lot that he stood to gain other than clearing his conscience.
We're talking about a kid who grew up in State College worshiping Paterno and the program. A dude who played quarterback for the Nittany Lions and was now coaching there, fulfilling a lifelong dream.
They don't come any more true blue Penn State than Mike McQueerie.
So you're telling me that this man who grew up worshiping Paterno and the program, and whose professional livelihood depended on its continued prosperity, was going to risk all of that by lying to sell down the river both his hero and his roommate/best friend - and some other random coach that he really did know at all - to bring down the program for reasons that remain unclear to anyone more than a decade later?
On the other hand, we have a bunch of people who have/had a direct financial/professional interest in disputing his claims.
And we think we need a polygraph test to get to the bottom of this unsolvable riddle? Are you f#%£ing kidding me?!
Penn State fans say they just want transparency and the truth. That's not at all what you guys want. You want Paterno to be exonerated at all costs, that's what you want. Whether that happens through legitimate or illegitimate means is really a secondary concern.
You don't need to start conducting polygraph tests. You just need to FINALLY use some common sense.
It is very simple. Who stands/stood to gain by lying and who doesn't? That will lead you right to the logical conclusion.
What possible motivation would Mike McQueery have to lie? I can think of a lot of things he stood to lose by blowing the whistle but not a whole lot that he stood to gain other than clearing his conscience.
We're talking about a kid who grew up in State College worshiping Paterno and the program. A dude who played quarterback for the Nittany Lions and was now coaching there, fulfilling a lifelong dream.
They don't come any more true blue Penn State than Mike McQueerie.
So you're telling me that this man who grew up worshiping Paterno and the program, and whose professional livelihood depended on its continued prosperity, was going to risk all of that by lying to sell down the river both his hero and his roommate/best friend - and some other random coach that he really did know at all - to bring down the program for reasons that remain unclear to anyone more than a decade later?
On the other hand, we have a bunch of people who have/had a direct financial/professional interest in disputing his claims.
And we think we need a polygraph test to get to the bottom of this unsolvable riddle? Are you f#%£ing kidding me?!
Penn State fans say they just want transparency and the truth. That's not at all what you guys want. You want Paterno to be exonerated at all costs, that's what you want. Whether that happens through legitimate or illegitimate means is really a secondary concern.
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The silence from Bradley and Schiano is an indicator they are not going to do anything at all, is my guess. They are smart and know the value of staying in the game but not bringing attention to one self against voices of victims?
Bradley just wanted to walk away and get as far away as possible from Penn State. Tom always wanted the Pitt Head Coaching Job, dating back to the 1990s. So did Sandusky unfortunately. Bradley now just wants to keep coaching again and WVU gave him that opportunity and so did UCLA.
The Piss Ants Cultists think he will sue for Defamation, but once again, the Truth is an Absolute Defense. Bradley knows to remain quiet makes no waves and can keep coaching by ignoring the Victim's Assertions.
As for Schiano, he made it known he always wanted the Penn State Job but it was never offered to him as a permanent position. Just like it was not offered to Tom Bradley, Jay Paterno, Larry Johnson, or even considered by any Paterno's prior staffers? This tells me something too, since Penn State avoided all of them that had been under Paterno & Sandusky?
Schinao credits Dave Wannstedt for teaching him College Football Coaching and was only at Penn state about 5-6 years.
Good Lawyers will tell Bradley & Schiano to avoid doing anything legally. Unlike the Civil Lawsuits Lawyers they will tell them it is best not sue because other unknown skeletons in the Penn State Shame of Fame Secret Closets are far from over. Besides, once one gets back into Coaching suing a Former University or even a Victim claiming they are lying is a sure way not to get Re-Hired during that Lawsuit.
Jay Paterno is finding out that the hard way and now is trying to run and find a way to get back into Coaching, but so far no takers.
Jay thinks by responding to Media people like Washington Post Sally Jenkins he is being a noble son and is defending his father and family as he attacks Sally Jenkins for defending the Public Voices of the Penn State Victims? Instead, he just made himself more isolated from consideration than ever before by anyone considering to hire him?
All that is doing opening up New Nightmares for the Victims and when it comes back on Jay's Father Legacy it just reeks an odor like any open sewer when that happen in 2011, and Jay just reopened it again and that smell is not just older but stronger now more than ever?
In a strange way, it is all coming back that had Joe Paterno dumped Sandusky in 1971 when the reputed first allegation of abuse happen saying his Program does not need that kind of distraction, so Gerry was let go.....it would avoided the entire scandal.
Nonetheless, this is what Jay Paterno did when he reopened the Penn State Smelly Sewer with that letter.....no one wants to bring in anyone that an odor he brought on himself by attacking a Victim.
It is like a friend asking to come into your car or home so he shower up with an odor that still following him, and keeps causing the problem by going back to a place he needs to let go, get clean, and not just change his clothes, but his attitude that keeps bringing him back and can't focus on anything else?
No University or Head Coach wants a distraction they want you focused on football!
Bradley just wanted to walk away and get as far away as possible from Penn State. Tom always wanted the Pitt Head Coaching Job, dating back to the 1990s. So did Sandusky unfortunately. Bradley now just wants to keep coaching again and WVU gave him that opportunity and so did UCLA.
The Piss Ants Cultists think he will sue for Defamation, but once again, the Truth is an Absolute Defense. Bradley knows to remain quiet makes no waves and can keep coaching by ignoring the Victim's Assertions.
As for Schiano, he made it known he always wanted the Penn State Job but it was never offered to him as a permanent position. Just like it was not offered to Tom Bradley, Jay Paterno, Larry Johnson, or even considered by any Paterno's prior staffers? This tells me something too, since Penn State avoided all of them that had been under Paterno & Sandusky?
Schinao credits Dave Wannstedt for teaching him College Football Coaching and was only at Penn state about 5-6 years.
Good Lawyers will tell Bradley & Schiano to avoid doing anything legally. Unlike the Civil Lawsuits Lawyers they will tell them it is best not sue because other unknown skeletons in the Penn State Shame of Fame Secret Closets are far from over. Besides, once one gets back into Coaching suing a Former University or even a Victim claiming they are lying is a sure way not to get Re-Hired during that Lawsuit.
Jay Paterno is finding out that the hard way and now is trying to run and find a way to get back into Coaching, but so far no takers.
Jay thinks by responding to Media people like Washington Post Sally Jenkins he is being a noble son and is defending his father and family as he attacks Sally Jenkins for defending the Public Voices of the Penn State Victims? Instead, he just made himself more isolated from consideration than ever before by anyone considering to hire him?
All that is doing opening up New Nightmares for the Victims and when it comes back on Jay's Father Legacy it just reeks an odor like any open sewer when that happen in 2011, and Jay just reopened it again and that smell is not just older but stronger now more than ever?
In a strange way, it is all coming back that had Joe Paterno dumped Sandusky in 1971 when the reputed first allegation of abuse happen saying his Program does not need that kind of distraction, so Gerry was let go.....it would avoided the entire scandal.
Nonetheless, this is what Jay Paterno did when he reopened the Penn State Smelly Sewer with that letter.....no one wants to bring in anyone that an odor he brought on himself by attacking a Victim.
It is like a friend asking to come into your car or home so he shower up with an odor that still following him, and keeps causing the problem by going back to a place he needs to let go, get clean, and not just change his clothes, but his attitude that keeps bringing him back and can't focus on anything else?
No University or Head Coach wants a distraction they want you focused on football!
Jay is an idiot.
Any attorney will tell you - keep your mouth shut and never put anything in writing when you are in litigation
Jay was never nothing, he is a product of his dad's name only . He couldn't play or coach and now he can't even act like an adult
You can make the argument that he has LESS to gain by lying and making this all up than everyone else, especially those still employed in the coaching field. They have a lot more to lose by telling the truth than McQueary. Schiano, Bradley, Johnson, Terry Smith (since we are naming names) all are currently employed coaches. They have more to protect than McQueary who has lost pretty much any football career opportunities. let alone I don't know where McQueary lives but if it is still in State College, his life is probably ruined there.
Same with those "truthers" who vehemently claim that 9/11 was an "inside job". Why? Why would the US want to do that? Or that the Neil Armstrong moon landing was done in an Hollywood studio. Again, why? What is the benefit of that? People really are morons.
Another article on the joebot's delusional mindsets!
http://www.philly.com/philly/opinio...e__Temple__and_football-induced_delusion.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/opinio...e__Temple__and_football-induced_delusion.html
Most people don't realize that Jay was the real heir to the throne. By the time Joe's last season rolled around, Jay had become, in essence, the HC. Was running meetings and channeling his father's wishes. I personally think that's why Joe held on as long as he did, thinking he could force Jay down the school's throat.
I'll take that as a concession that I had a point.
I can only speak for myself, I don't (and no individual fan can do this) speak for the entire fanbase: I don't have a problem with McQueary's actions in 2001.
If he is lying about Bradley and Schiano (the validity of his remarks about Tom and Greg are much more of an open question vs. the validity of what he told Paterno: we have Joe's own court testimony as regards their conversation)? Yes, then I do have a problem with McQueary.
What did McQueary gain by testifying? What did he gain by bringing up Bradley and Schiano? Nothing and nothing. What do Bradley and Schiano have to gain by denying? Their continued six figure employment. You are free to draw your own conclusions. I have drawn mine.
It's just more of the same with these cuckoo birds.
They question the financial motives of the accusers but not of the accused.
They castigate the child victims for failing to report the alleged assaults in a timely fashion but they don't hold their adult heroes to the same standard.
They say they just want transparency and truthfulness, but when that leads to even more incriminating evidence, they question the veracity of the evidence and even wonder why it's a matter of public record?
They talk of multiple conspiracies involving their own BOT, local and state politicians, the NCAA, the B1G, and ESPN and other media entities. However, they turn around and dismiss out of hand any suggestion that there could've possibly been a conspiracy of silence among their four primary decision-makers whom we know met regularly and who all shared a clear financial interest in keeping Sandusky's proclivities under wraps.
They want "Joe" exonerated at all costs, that's what they want. If it means spitting in the face of a bunch of rape victims, so be it. If it means believing the craziest shitt imaginable to make their case work, or even come close, they are all in for that too.
They don't care how they get there as long as he is exonerated and his/their reputation restored.
It's completely crazy, it's perspectiveless, it's callous, and it's just plain despicable.
However, it's also never going to happen no matter how many Joe-hadists sacrifice common sense and their own personal integrity for the cause.
They question the financial motives of the accusers but not of the accused.
They castigate the child victims for failing to report the alleged assaults in a timely fashion but they don't hold their adult heroes to the same standard.
They say they just want transparency and truthfulness, but when that leads to even more incriminating evidence, they question the veracity of the evidence and even wonder why it's a matter of public record?
They talk of multiple conspiracies involving their own BOT, local and state politicians, the NCAA, the B1G, and ESPN and other media entities. However, they turn around and dismiss out of hand any suggestion that there could've possibly been a conspiracy of silence among their four primary decision-makers whom we know met regularly and who all shared a clear financial interest in keeping Sandusky's proclivities under wraps.
They want "Joe" exonerated at all costs, that's what they want. If it means spitting in the face of a bunch of rape victims, so be it. If it means believing the craziest shitt imaginable to make their case work, or even come close, they are all in for that too.
They don't care how they get there as long as he is exonerated and his/their reputation restored.
It's completely crazy, it's perspectiveless, it's callous, and it's just plain despicable.
However, it's also never going to happen no matter how many Joe-hadists sacrifice common sense and their own personal integrity for the cause.
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They were working towards anointing him the Head Coach I was told by some Insiders, and one reason why Jay never left State College.
Sue wanted him to remain there with her Grandchildren near her. Now Jay can't leave even if he wants to go elsewhere until he is offered a Coaching Position somewhere.
They were undercutting Bob O'Brien after he took over and the Players were glad to be rid of him, I was told. Some Articles confirmed it later too.
I think Jay should just take any position in the Commonwealth even Divisions II or III, and Get Bust Quit Whining and Get Busy Coaching again. In that way, Jay brings back his Father's Accomplishments of Autumn by showing he can coach and win like Joe without the Scandal.
Can't do that until his lawsuit is over. Can't claim you're tainted goods and un-hirable and then get a job working in a backwater. Just invites claims that's all he's worth, anyway. But I get your point.
Yep, Jay has handcuffed his own coaching career and so has Sue approving the Lawsuit and maybe a way to keep Jay around her. Paterno's has a number of family and relatives still working at Penn State too another Paterno Legacy too?
I understand and accept Jay defending his Father and he is not wrong to do it, but he must be careful too on how to do it. Jay was not liked by the Players as a Coach either but he is still a good Husband, Son, and Father and I think he needs to go into Coaching and that will help the Paterno Name better than any Lawsuit, Books, Speeches, or Political Career? But up to Jay to chose his destiny now and I respect that too!
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Issuing a carefully crafted statement through one's attorney isn't exactly being forthright either. Then again, I'd hide behind my attorney too if I were in their shoes.
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We have two generations of people in the country who were raised in front of a television. They're used to seeing shows that have a shocker ending - the product of Hollywood writers who wrote such stories purely for entertainment value.
So now, people are waiting for real-life situations to have that same shocker ending. They'll tell you about something weird that happened -- that "one-in-million" phenomenon -- and try to generalize it as saying, "well, it happened once, so it can happen again".
As you say, a lot of people are morons. The National Inquirer and other such rags have made millions from them.
Winner, Winner Chicken Dinner.
The only guy who came forward of his own volition is now a pariah. He lost his career, his reputation and his standing in his home town, State College.
Tell me again why Schiano or Bradley would come forward and tell the truth....so their careers could be ruined and they could lose their massive paychecks?
Maybe Zika started there back in 1960s and then mutated in 2000s, could be a Defense for the Penn State Three to argue and the Cult should use it as an excuse for many of their Posts, one has to sympathy on how they behave and posts attacking everyone including their own Adopted Mother and Victims Veracity?
I've heard rumors Jay was the source for that SI article written during O'Brien's tenure....something about poor conditions or athletic care for players, can't remember the details.
There doesn't seem to be any motivation for MM to bring Schiano's and Bradley's name into the situation without justifiable reasons.
Those two know something, no doubt.
Those two know something, no doubt.
Except MM was in a position of essentially 0 power and reported it to the most powerful at PSU and in Happy Valley. I'm not sure how much he would be expected to follow up after telling Joe Paterno. This is nothing like Paterno "telling" Spanier.
Franco is setting himself up as the Grand Wizzard of the truthers and birthers. Here is his speech from some award that Ped U gives out.
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“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used to create them.” Albert Einstein
Welcome everyone...friends...my family...my Penn State family...thank you for being here today.
To the Lion’s Paw...thank you for letting your awardee have a few minutes of free expression...after the last 5 years this is like a breath of fresh air! We have been experiencing quite a time in Penn State history and all of us should learn and grow from it.
When we Penn Staters look back over the last 5 years, the question that loomed over us is “Where are we headed?”
Along the way there were a lot of twists and turns, all with challenges.
But right now at Penn State we are at a crossroad, facing one last big challenge. What direction we take depends on the working relationship between the alumni and the current board of trustees; where we go from here is an inhouse problem...a Penn State problem.
No longer is our biggest challenge about the Freeh Report; everyone knows that was a sham from the start and the basis for nothing.
No longer is our biggest challenge with the NCAA. Everyone knows they broke their own protocols and procedures and had no grounds to penalize Penn State so viciously.
We know they were wrong and they know they were wrong.
No longer do we care about what the media puts out. They have lost their credibility in our eyes. They print allegations and then fan the flames, all without proof or validation and they have no accountability.
On Nov 9, 2011 we saw the results of unchecked power here at Penn State. Beware of power that has no boundaries. Before that night, I did not know that the BOT could fire the President in the blink of an eye. When I heard that President Spanier was supporting Penn State and our Penn State people, I was confident that someone had a command of the situation. Then BOOM! John Surma led the firing of Graham Spanier and Joe Paterno. This made me realize that there were no checks and balances in place...this was unchecked power at it’s worst.
There were no checks and balances and Penn State lost....and we’ve been losing ever since. And let me point out that not one of those people on the board that night have been held accountable. I take that back, WE, the alumni, held our alumni elected trustees accountable and we replaced every one of them with people who DO represent us.
That night the members of the board thought they could control and contain the damage they were doing, but they could not. And the damage continues to roll across our campus and will continue to roll if we don’t set up some checks and balances.
When you have a small group of people with money and connections and they know how to leverage power, they become detached and arrogant...they are above it all. So now we add arrogance and selfinterest to the unchecked power and we have a dangerous situation.
How did we get here???
Where do we go from here? Right now we are divided and we need to start the healing. Where do we start? We start with a formal apology from those board members to Sue Paterno. Now. It’s already long overdue.
Let me tell you a story...
I see a lion’s paw scratching at the ground outside Beaver Stadium and it’s trying to find its home...trying to find where it belongs. The lion knows it belongs here but he’s confused... something here isn’t right... something has changed.
The lion knew that our BOT made the decision to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements and lawyers fees and the Lion knew that our BOT agreed to the sanctions and the vacated games.
But the Lion didn’t know that the BOT also took down Joe’s statue and the player’s wall. That’s why the Lion didn’t recognize his home...they had erased the Lion’s history and his home was empty.
They erased the Lion's history and tried to fill it with lies, lies and more lies. I ask you today, are we a lie? Is our Penn State history a lie? Is Success With Honor a lie?
Success With Honor...
A game changing vision never before undertaken.
It was not just about football or being famous it was about education, contributing to the world and making something of yourself.
It was about having the greatest graduation rates for your athletes and being one of the best in Academic All Americans.
This was unbelievable. And to top it all off...409! The greatest number of football games won in NCAA history.
So, you better believe that we will fight for our history and we will not let anyone rewrite it for us.
No, this is not right. We know who we are. WE ARE LIONS.
We will erase the lies,
We will claim our home,
We will rebuild our wall because this is our home.
We hope the Paterno family will allow us to put Joe’s statue back in it’s rightful place because this is his home.
People are trying to destroy Success With Honor and everything we stand for, but we will fight for our history. Will you fight with me?
To the members of the BOT:
Yes, right now you have unchecked power—but we know what we must do and we know who must do it. We, the Penn State Alumni, will do it.
We see the goal line and we won’t stop until we cross it. We have no deadline...and we are coming.
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“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used to create them.” Albert Einstein
Welcome everyone...friends...my family...my Penn State family...thank you for being here today.
To the Lion’s Paw...thank you for letting your awardee have a few minutes of free expression...after the last 5 years this is like a breath of fresh air! We have been experiencing quite a time in Penn State history and all of us should learn and grow from it.
When we Penn Staters look back over the last 5 years, the question that loomed over us is “Where are we headed?”
Along the way there were a lot of twists and turns, all with challenges.
But right now at Penn State we are at a crossroad, facing one last big challenge. What direction we take depends on the working relationship between the alumni and the current board of trustees; where we go from here is an inhouse problem...a Penn State problem.
No longer is our biggest challenge about the Freeh Report; everyone knows that was a sham from the start and the basis for nothing.
No longer is our biggest challenge with the NCAA. Everyone knows they broke their own protocols and procedures and had no grounds to penalize Penn State so viciously.
We know they were wrong and they know they were wrong.
No longer do we care about what the media puts out. They have lost their credibility in our eyes. They print allegations and then fan the flames, all without proof or validation and they have no accountability.
On Nov 9, 2011 we saw the results of unchecked power here at Penn State. Beware of power that has no boundaries. Before that night, I did not know that the BOT could fire the President in the blink of an eye. When I heard that President Spanier was supporting Penn State and our Penn State people, I was confident that someone had a command of the situation. Then BOOM! John Surma led the firing of Graham Spanier and Joe Paterno. This made me realize that there were no checks and balances in place...this was unchecked power at it’s worst.
There were no checks and balances and Penn State lost....and we’ve been losing ever since. And let me point out that not one of those people on the board that night have been held accountable. I take that back, WE, the alumni, held our alumni elected trustees accountable and we replaced every one of them with people who DO represent us.
That night the members of the board thought they could control and contain the damage they were doing, but they could not. And the damage continues to roll across our campus and will continue to roll if we don’t set up some checks and balances.
When you have a small group of people with money and connections and they know how to leverage power, they become detached and arrogant...they are above it all. So now we add arrogance and selfinterest to the unchecked power and we have a dangerous situation.
How did we get here???
Where do we go from here? Right now we are divided and we need to start the healing. Where do we start? We start with a formal apology from those board members to Sue Paterno. Now. It’s already long overdue.
Let me tell you a story...
I see a lion’s paw scratching at the ground outside Beaver Stadium and it’s trying to find its home...trying to find where it belongs. The lion knows it belongs here but he’s confused... something here isn’t right... something has changed.
The lion knew that our BOT made the decision to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements and lawyers fees and the Lion knew that our BOT agreed to the sanctions and the vacated games.
But the Lion didn’t know that the BOT also took down Joe’s statue and the player’s wall. That’s why the Lion didn’t recognize his home...they had erased the Lion’s history and his home was empty.
They erased the Lion's history and tried to fill it with lies, lies and more lies. I ask you today, are we a lie? Is our Penn State history a lie? Is Success With Honor a lie?
Success With Honor...
A game changing vision never before undertaken.
It was not just about football or being famous it was about education, contributing to the world and making something of yourself.
It was about having the greatest graduation rates for your athletes and being one of the best in Academic All Americans.
This was unbelievable. And to top it all off...409! The greatest number of football games won in NCAA history.
So, you better believe that we will fight for our history and we will not let anyone rewrite it for us.
No, this is not right. We know who we are. WE ARE LIONS.
We will erase the lies,
We will claim our home,
We will rebuild our wall because this is our home.
We hope the Paterno family will allow us to put Joe’s statue back in it’s rightful place because this is his home.
People are trying to destroy Success With Honor and everything we stand for, but we will fight for our history. Will you fight with me?
To the members of the BOT:
Yes, right now you have unchecked power—but we know what we must do and we know who must do it. We, the Penn State Alumni, will do it.
We see the goal line and we won’t stop until we cross it. We have no deadline...and we are coming.
He doesn't have a coaching career. No one else was going to hire him and pay him any sort of money even before the Sandusky scandal. Why would he go D2 or D3 to work awful hours and make $80k a year?
when reading the one paragraph by itself. It is not clear if he is talking about the BOT, or Paterno and the 3 Stooges.
Yep.....he was right about "unchecked power" but he is confused as to where it occurred!
" Polygraph tests are kind of meaningless " as much as I hate to admit it I think he is right. OJ failed his and it implicated him in murder, but as it turned out, he was innocent.
Jpripper88, post: 1419751, member: 2044"]He doesn't have a coaching career.
I agree with you and filing Lawsuits against one former University makes it tougher as I stated above. I was being kind to a good person lost on what to do now.
No one else was going to hire him and pay him any sort of money even before the Sandusky scandal.
Quite agree, before you posted here, I once said Jay's Mistake was he did not use the influence of his Father to go learn under Great Coaches when he came from UConn. Jay should have spent 1 to 2 years each with Bryant, Bowden, Beamer or Carroll, then go to Penn State. Of course many respected Paterno but many did not like his arrogance either as well as sending letters to the NCAA on Recruiting Violations by his competitors?
Few Great Coaches produce Sons just as good, just like Presidents and Generals. They just lack that special quality that made their Father's so much more driven, and often had it too easy.
Why would he go D2 or D3 to work awful hours and make $80k a year?
Does Jay have a choice? As you stated above he was not exactly in demand before or after Sandusky Scandal. So, D2 & D3 may be the only way to go like Joe Moorhead did going to Fordham to become a Head Coach and now OC at PSU?
I think Jay is just talking like his Lawsuit and instead of making excuses or filing Lawsuits just go out get a Coaching job anywhere and show you can produce Teams that can Win no matter on what level.In my opinion, Jay may be lacking the confidence, will, and drive to be a Head Coach or he just go and do it.
I just saw and old clip of James Garner the Actor on Carson Show. he told Johnny he had no special skills or talent except playing pool, and it was his opinion, he ended up in Acting because of it, and the only other option was becoming a Politician and he did not want to do that either.
Jay's Political Prospects took a big blow when his Petitions to Run for Office had to be withdrawn due to some questionable signatures showing that`was not practicing much success with honor either?
As said, Jay is good person and coming to term with his Father's Legacy cannot return at the high levels many thought of him and maybe never was in reality.
I agree with you and filing Lawsuits against one former University makes it tougher as I stated above. I was being kind to a good person lost on what to do now.
No one else was going to hire him and pay him any sort of money even before the Sandusky scandal.
Quite agree, before you posted here, I once said Jay's Mistake was he did not use the influence of his Father to go learn under Great Coaches when he came from UConn. Jay should have spent 1 to 2 years each with Bryant, Bowden, Beamer or Carroll, then go to Penn State. Of course many respected Paterno but many did not like his arrogance either as well as sending letters to the NCAA on Recruiting Violations by his competitors?
Few Great Coaches produce Sons just as good, just like Presidents and Generals. They just lack that special quality that made their Father's so much more driven, and often had it too easy.
Why would he go D2 or D3 to work awful hours and make $80k a year?
Does Jay have a choice? As you stated above he was not exactly in demand before or after Sandusky Scandal. So, D2 & D3 may be the only way to go like Joe Moorhead did going to Fordham to become a Head Coach and now OC at PSU?
I think Jay is just talking like his Lawsuit and instead of making excuses or filing Lawsuits just go out get a Coaching job anywhere and show you can produce Teams that can Win no matter on what level.In my opinion, Jay may be lacking the confidence, will, and drive to be a Head Coach or he just go and do it.
I just saw and old clip of James Garner the Actor on Carson Show. he told Johnny he had no special skills or talent except playing pool, and it was his opinion, he ended up in Acting because of it, and the only other option was becoming a Politician and he did not want to do that either.
Jay's Political Prospects took a big blow when his Petitions to Run for Office had to be withdrawn due to some questionable signatures showing that`was not practicing much success with honor either?
As said, Jay is good person and coming to term with his Father's Legacy cannot return at the high levels many thought of him and maybe never was in reality.
Franco really isn't wrong about unchecked power and the BOT. There is a very small circle that pretty much is untouchable. There's one character in particular that is darn shady. Ira Lubert. He was a big part of The Second Mile, was on the BOT, lost his seat, and was brought back but during that gap, brokered most (if not all) of the victim settlements, and will probably be installed as the Chairman of the BOT this Friday.
Honestly, I don't think they're blowing smoke at that guy.
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