I have to admit, the PSU cult/klan are hilarious

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Franco really isn't wrong about unchecked power and the BOT. There is a very small circle that pretty much is untouchable. There's one character in particular that is darn shady. Ira Lubert. He was a big part of The Second Mile, was on the BOT, lost his seat, and was brought back but during that gap, brokered most (if not all) of the victim settlements, and will probably be installed as the Chairman of the BOT this Friday.
Honestly, I don't think they're blowing smoke at that guy.

I agree, and the biggest problem is that some of the former Trustees were in Business Deals with Paterno and the Trustees were not do any Institutional Control Oversight of Paterno because of it and his Fundraising abilities and part of going after 409 was good for them and Penn State in spite of Paterno way passed his time?

President Spanier knew it and could do much about it, and if he tried, Joe would put him his place too, knowing he had the trustees in his pockets of friendships.

this is why one the biggest Reform put in by Freeh's recommendation was the Conflict of Interests Policies that apply to all including Employees and Trustees and no longer allow to be Undisclosed. I posted the link on it previously.

These are some of the Problems why some things have not been all disclosed and Bagwell's Request for Transparency are often denied or just ignored.

Still, that is a Dark Side Two Way Street for Franco too.....One can't say Paterno must be Honored due to his High Character and Success and the Trustees were wrong to Fire and remove his Statue....while Joe was in Business as seen on Corporate Papers and the NCAA is pursuing some of this in Discovery too??? Yet, the Paterno's filed against NCAA and Penn State too?

It is very much like the PSU-PMA Dispute, we paid for coverage and you must pay us back with Insurance, but PMA responds we said we would not Cover Intentional Crimes Cover Ups, but the Penn State three have gotten to Trial either to prove it was Intentional?

Penn State University really caught themselves in a pickle of pus when they allow the man that built the Great Penn State Football Program and not only backed him but went into business with him, and oversight could not exists?

 

[pabornandraised]

Franco really isn't wrong about unchecked power and the BOT. There is a very small circle that pretty much is untouchable. There's one character in particular that is darn shady. Ira Lubert. He was a big part of The Second Mile, was on the BOT, lost his seat, and was brought back but during that gap, brokered most (if not all) of the victim settlements, and will probably be installed as the Chairman of the BOT this Friday.

Honestly, I don't think they're blowing smoke at that guy.

You are 100% correct. It is this well-connected power bloc of trustees that has bungled everything from the start and the very reason why Franco and other alumni continue the fight to this day. They are hiding something, and doing everything in their power to keep whatever that is hidden.

 

[JamesFromStateCollege]

That university and its alumni/fans are the biggest joke in America. Absolutely pathetic.

 

[pittdan77]

You are 100% correct. It is this well-connected power bloc of trustees that has bungled everything from the start and the very reason why Franco and other alumni continue the fight to this day. They are hiding something, and doing everything in their power to keep whatever that is hidden.

While I acknowledge Lubert and a power block of trustees that run the show, I don't think anything was "bungled". I'm pretty sure everything went and is still going according to plan other than the blood letting over Joe. That part has a lot to do with the family and alumni refusal to know when to stop. Every time a little blood has to be let, it's Joe that pays. Not sure why that's hard to see.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

That university and its alumni/fans are the biggest joke in America. Absolutely pathetic.

Well, all that means it is and always was a Complete, Total, and Irrefutable Penn State University Football Program Paterno's Era Scandal brought upon everything under Penn State, and that includes Success with Honor Reputation by, of, and among Penn Staters that ended up Shaming Penn State Name.

The Penn State 2012 Reforms have changed the Penn State Football Culture and up to all of Penn State Employees, Alumni, Students and Fans to quit blaming Penn State University and change themselves including telling Franco change his own Attitude too!

If Joseph Vincent Paterno had not hired Paterno's PSU Former Player, or gotten rid of Paterno's selected PSU Assistant Coach, or at least called the Police on Paterno's PSU Employee when told by 4 Victims dating back to 1971-1988, and told someone Higher Up than AD Tarman, or ignore other Victim's Allegations in 1998 or 2001, maybe you would have avoided The Worst College Football Scandal In History!

You can't blame just the Trustees when Paterno was Silent way back in 1971 and in Business with some trustees that was protecting Paterno has much as Paterno was protecting Sandusky and why Paterno said in hindsight he should have done more?

I respect and acknowledge Joe Paterno great Coaching and other many great contributions.

However, even Joe admitted mistakes and misjudgments when running his Football Program as well.

Now it is dawning on all, including the Paterno's, Franco and Lubrano's maybe Joe did not tell all at times, and helped cause this problem.

Joe was not afraid he had flaws and as Sue Paterno & the family said on TV show, we never knew about Gerry, and if we did we would have done something about it. Even Scott Paterno said the Victim's can't be blamed it is on Gerry Sandusky.

Now that the Unsealed Settlement's Allegations that ended up causing Victim's Voices to speak out and cannot be ignored anymore, it is possible Joe knew but did not believe it either, but there are 6 Victim's that say he knew, and only 1 Joe now silent forever, in Hindsight?

 

[pittdan77]

Penn State University really caught themselves in a pickle of pus when they allow the man that built the Great Penn State Football Program and not only backed him but went into business with him, and oversight could not exists?

I think the business dealings that stink up the joint are over in the direction of The Second Mile. There were a lot of people invested in TSM and PSU at the same time and that made Jerry everyone's and no one's problem all at once.

 

[Pantherman43]

You use a lot of words to basically say nothing at all. Really, you should refrain from commenting on the Penn State situation, as it appears you know nothing about what really is going on.

Well I know what's going on. Paterno is being exposed as a fraud and a worthless human being who turned a blind eye while child after child was assaulted and raped by a monster who was allowed to roam the university and its surroundings all for the good of the football program.

You may be in denial or you may be that stupid enough to believe that Paterno has no idea what was going on. That's your choice. But where there is smoke there is fire and I believe that State College in time will be an inferno that will not be able to be put out.

 

[zippychippy22]

yes pabornandraised they are definitely hiding something. the scope and magnitude of the coverup. that's why they took the punishment from the ncaa and paid off victims with so little checking. hilarious tin foil hat fanboys are their own worst enemies. while the ped state admins are trying to sweep it under the rug you are helping expose joe's crimes even more. thanks!

 

[Darth_VadEER]

You use a lot of words to basically say nothing at all. Really, you should refrain from commenting on the Penn State situation, as it appears you know nothing about what really is going on.

Great 3rd post. What's your name on BWI?

 

[9nationalchampionships]

PEDbornandraised - Welcome back you crazy loon

 

[Darth_VadEER]

yes pabornandraised they are definitely hiding something. the scope and magnitude of the coverup. that's why they took the punishment from the ncaa and paid off victims with so little checking. hilarious tin foil hat fanboys are their own worst enemies. while the ped state admins are trying to sweep it under the rug you are helping expose joe's crimes even more. thanks!

Team Free Jerry doesn't care. Right now they're mad because PSU gave the "victims" (They always use quotations) too much money to compensate their molestation.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Great 3rd post. What's your name on BWI?

You should have seen his first one.

 

[zippychippy22]

please read my post history. comprehension is tough so ask a friend to help. I have never, ever been sympathetic to ped state or paterno

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I think the business dealings that stink up the joint are over in the direction of The Second Mile. There were a lot of people invested in TSM and PSU at the same time and that made Jerry everyone's and no one's problem all at once.

I have always supported more Transparency, more Investigations and all Sealed Settlements to be released and the sloppy and slow Investigation of Corbett's OAG Chief Frank Fina ignoring The Second Mile, Senators on Bonusgate, Destroyed OAG Notes & Emails and PSU's Own Email Destruction recovered by Freeh, AG Kane's Discovered Emails by Prosecutors and Judges On PornGate, and Illegal Leaked Grand Jury Presentments in only OAG's Possession that had to corrected by Freeh, as part of the problems and distortions going on today.

Still, it was a complete Penn State and The Second Mile Scandal and started under the Penn State Paterno Era of Football and needing Penn State NCAA Oversight Monitor Reforms in 2012?

None of that can be erased either, the Victim's Voices are being heard by the Media and more to come in publications, movies and documentarys.

At some point Franco will have to acknowledge too!

 

[Darth_VadEER]

please read my post history. comprehension is tough so ask a friend to help. I have never, ever been sympathetic to ped state or paterno

Sorry - hard to keep track of Team Free Jerry.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Well I know what's going on. Paterno is being exposed as a fraud and a worthless human being who turned a blind eye while child after child was assaulted and raped by a monster who was allowed to roam the university and its surroundings all for the good of the football program.

You may be in denial or you may be that stupid enough to believe that Paterno has no idea what was going on. That's your choice. But where there is smoke there is fire and I believe that State College in time will be an inferno that will not be able to be put out.

Joe's own author of a book on Joe, and many Sports Media Writers, have written and stated Joe Paterno's own penchant for Secrecy, Silence, and Ignoring questions about his Program was practiced, paramount and part of his behavior in building Penn State Program.

Other Employees said the same thing and were intimidated into silence and some fired when they took Joe's Program on like Triponey!

Spanier called it the Dark Side of Joe Paterno and Victim Voices are silent no more!

 

[JamesFromStateCollege]

Well, all that means it is and always was a Complete, Total, and Irrefutable Penn State University Football Program Paterno's Era Scandal brought upon everything under Penn State, and that includes Success with Honor Reputation by, of, and among Penn Staters that ended up Shaming Penn State Name.

The Penn State 2012 Reforms have changed the Penn State Football Culture and up to all of Penn State Employees, Alumni, Students and Fans to quit blaming Penn State University and change themselves including telling Franco change his own Attitude too!

If Joseph Vincent Paterno had not hired Paterno's PSU Former Player, or gotten rid of Paterno's selected PSU Assistant Coach, or at least called the Police on Paterno's PSU Employee when told by 4 Victims dating back to 1971-1988, and told someone Higher Up than AD Tarman, or ignore other Victim's Allegations in 1998 or 2001, maybe you would have avoided The Worst College Football Scandal In History!

You can't blame just the Trustees when Paterno was Silent way back in 1971 and in Business with some trustees that was protecting Paterno has much as Paterno was protecting Sandusky and why Paterno said in hindsight he should have done more?

I respect and acknowledge Joe Paterno great Coaching and other many great contributions.

However, even Joe admitted mistakes and misjudgments when running his Football Program as well.

Now it is dawning on all, including the Paterno's, Franco and Lubrano's maybe Joe did not tell all at times, and helped cause this problem.

Joe was not afraid he had flaws and as Sue Paterno & the family said on TV show, we never knew about Gerry, and if we did we would have done something about it. Even Scott Paterno said the Victim's can't be blamed it is on Gerry Sandusky.

Now that the Unsealed Settlement's Allegations that ended up causing Victim's Voices to speak out and cannot be ignored anymore, it is possible Joe knew but did not believe it either, but there are 6 Victim's that say he knew, and only 1 Joe now silent forever, in Hindsight?

I see no change in the culture. It's all the same football first, they pretty much ignore that it ever even happen. Was that meant to be a lecture or do you think I am a penn state troll?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I see no change in the culture. It's all the same football first, they pretty much ignore that it ever even happen. Was that meant to be a lecture or do you think I am a penn state troll?

It will take a few cycles of students graduating. This Freshman class was about 13-14 when Paterno was fired. A few more cycles of students watching Franklin's team bumble around and lose to Temple will wipe out some of their beer muscles.

Did Joe ever lose to Temple?

The BWI cult won't ever change. Jay can't let it, he'll go broke.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I see no change in the culture. It's all the same football first, they pretty much ignore that it ever even happen. Was that meant to be a lecture or do you think I am a penn state troll?

I have always respected other views that differ from my own or whether Penn State Culture has changed? it is up to PSU fans to decide.

I just accept that Penn State 2012 Reforms corrected the PSU Football Program Paterno Era Scandal and it now to every Penn Staters to choose to accept it, change it, or have a change of attitude and move on for better Penn State future from a very soiled past!

I also recognize Joe Paterno as Great Coach and his Contributions and Accomplishment of Autumn can be separated from his mistakes, misjdgmnets, and omissions in how he built his Program with his own admitted or omitted flaws and all?

And some think that makes me a PSU Troll so not accusing you.

I had to change my posts when I saw I made an error, I apologize.

I don't care if any Poster, Fan or Troll comes on the Lair whether from PSU or any Team, we talk football and football subjects and you did and keep doing it, thanks!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

It will take a few cycles of students graduating. This Freshman class was about 13-14 when Paterno was fired. A few more cycles of students watching Franklin's team bumble around and lose to Temple will wipe out some of their beer muscles.

Did Joe ever lose to Temple?

The BWI cult won't ever change. Jay can't let it, he'll go broke.

Good post, I have faith in BWI McAndews that after the entire scandal is over; there will be some kind of closure, compromise, and understanding that Penn State got through the setbacks and all are moving on, and they are should be proud of the University because like anything they are apart of PSU and PSU is part of them. Others can disagree with me on this too!

 

[Joe Pa Thetic]

Another absolutely delusional, bat-shit insane thread on BWI is currently attracting Cultists like a moth to the flame.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/why-try.129352/

DrJC: "Last night I once again was embroiled in a little heated discussion with a man who was espousing hatred towards JoePa and calling him a pedophile! It used to be "pedophile enabler," but it seems to have escalated to pedophile. There was hardly a mention of JS - just Joe Paterno.

I made a brief attempt at bringing some facts to his attention - all of which were quickly dismissed. I have come to the realization that we have lost the narrative on what happened, and I think we cannot regain it (if we ever had it), as the media does not seem to be receptive to hearing, printing or discussing some of the very complex issues and facts that have emerged in the past few years. They simply will not entertain another, differing narrative."

After the OP bitches about how complex an issue the scandal is, he then rants that the media narrative happened because the world was jealous of PSU and what Joesus stood for.

DrJC: "I am also of the opinion that much of this is fueled by jealousy of what Penn State and Joe Paterno did and stood for, and they welcome the opportunity to smash the program, University and of course Joe Paterno REGARDLESS of the evidence that at least places into question their opinions. I am also left to wonder, with the exception of Franco, why the alumni, alumni association and others have not demanded an airing of a different narrative? For a University that has one of the largest alumni bases - if not the largest, it amazes me that we don't have individuals that can influence the media and promote the need for a fair and open discourse on the events at Penn State. I know Zeigler has attempted (not an alumnus) to expose another narrative to the public, but with questionable results."

More classic replies from that thread:

ThePennsylvaniaOracle: "IMO, this whole sordid ordeal hasn't changed people's opinion on Penn State. Those who have always hated PSU now hate us more, and those that who love PSU or are friends of PSU still do. The rest just don't care or have strong enough feelings one way or the other."

21Guns: "The National narrative, now, has become Jerry Sandusky, having free reign over the children of central pennsylvania...raping children one after the other, while Joe and his assistant coaches view the heinous crimes, smoking cigars and drinking scotch.

This is the average moron's viewpoint of what happened. Why try, is correct, and I agree...it's pointless, we will not change the narrative, and nobody involved will ever speak."

Lion84: "I agree - I can tell within 5 seconds into a discussion with someone where they are going with this and if they start with the whole Sandusky stuff I immediately respond with "I am not familiar with that" and stop talking to them. These a-holes are just looking to give you their self righteous, ill informed lecture on how guilty we all should feel about being PSU fans or Alumni and I won't give them to chance to do it."

Ian: "Nothing will change. That boat sailed when Joe passed on and was unable to defend himself. A sad story all around as there are no winners, none. Most not associated with the university don't care and have moved on. It is ironic how it reads like a modern day Greek Tragedy...."

StinkStankStunk: "Our "leadership" (an unholy, unauthorized "leadership") has been the SINGLE BIGGEST enemy to "us"........not the "media"

Try to find a similar situation in the history of forever.....it would be hard to find one.

That is why it is SO IMPORTANT to keep our eyes on the true genesis of evil (and to focus our efforts there).
It is not Mark Emmert, Louis Freeh, the MSM, etc ........it is our own "leadership."

Aoshiro: "The Penn State Alumni Association is an arm of Old Main. Ironically, that means that the alumni association will never represent the alumni of Penn State."

kentuckycb: "PSU could have moved on and at the same time defended the core culture of the university including the legacy of Joe Paterno."

Oblivax: "Honestly, I'd have been fine with a "move on" strategy. But it was a "move on, and burn St. Joe at the stake" part that pisses me off. Any idiot could have seen that Joe, like it or not, was the icon of Penn State and not that stupid squirrel thingy. When they did that, they killed Penn State for several decades. It cost the university well over $200m and will harm the university, its students, players and alumni for the rest of their lives. And why did they do it? Personal gain."

Oblivax: "I always get the 'well they all had to know...they had to' message once I've batted down their foolish misconceptions."

m.knox: "To me, the key is not to change the public's perception of anything. They can choose to ignore or accept the facts, and all the facts are not out. That's precisely what the BOT wants. Sweep it under the rug and move on. I want the facts.

I still maintain that anyone who thinks a half dozen individuals all came together and said, 'hey, we can't let it get out that Jerry is sodomizing and fellating young boys in our locker room or it will screw up the football program' is certifiably nuts. Yes, mistakes were made. No doubt, but the narrative that 'everybody knew' is laughable, and anyone who says it deserves to be laughed at."

kharp1: "I hope one day a good 30 for 30 can be made on this situation but that is probably far down the road."

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Another absolutely delusional, bat-shit insane thread on BWI is currently attracting Cultists like a moth to the flame.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/why-try.129352/

DrJC: "Last night I once again was embroiled in a little heated discussion with a man who was espousing hatred towards JoePa and calling him a pedophile! It used to be "pedophile enabler," but it seems to have escalated to pedophile. There was hardly a mention of JS - just Joe Paterno.

I made a brief attempt at bringing some facts to his attention - all of which were quickly dismissed. I have come to the realization that we have lost the narrative on what happened, and I think we cannot regain it (if we ever had it), as the media does not seem to be receptive to hearing, printing or discussing some of the very complex issues and facts that have emerged in the past few years. They simply will not entertain another, differing narrative."

After the OP bitches about how complex an issue the scandal is, he then rants that the media narrative happened because the world was jealous of PSU and what Joesus stood for.

DrJC: "I am also of the opinion that much of this is fueled by jealousy of what Penn State and Joe Paterno did and stood for, and they welcome the opportunity to smash the program, University and of course Joe Paterno REGARDLESS of the evidence that at least places into question their opinions. I am also left to wonder, with the exception of Franco, why the alumni, alumni association and others have not demanded an airing of a different narrative? For a University that has one of the largest alumni bases - if not the largest, it amazes me that we don't have individuals that can influence the media and promote the need for a fair and open discourse on the events at Penn State. I know Zeigler has attempted (not an alumnus) to expose another narrative to the public, but with questionable results."

More classic replies from that thread:

ThePennsylvaniaOracle: "IMO, this whole sordid ordeal hasn't changed people's opinion on Penn State. Those who have always hated PSU now hate us more, and those that who love PSU or are friends of PSU still do. The rest just don't care or have strong enough feelings one way or the other."

21Guns: "The National narrative, now, has become Jerry Sandusky, having free reign over the children of central pennsylvania...raping children one after the other, while Joe and his assistant coaches view the heinous crimes, smoking cigars and drinking scotch.

This is the average moron's viewpoint of what happened. Why try, is correct, and I agree...it's pointless, we will not change the narrative, and nobody involved will ever speak."

Lion84: "I agree - I can tell within 5 seconds into a discussion with someone where they are going with this and if they start with the whole Sandusky stuff I immediately respond with "I am not familiar with that" and stop talking to them. These a-holes are just looking to give you their self righteous, ill informed lecture on how guilty we all should feel about being PSU fans or Alumni and I won't give them to chance to do it."

Ian: "Nothing will change. That boat sailed when Joe passed on and was unable to defend himself. A sad story all around as there are no winners, none. Most not associated with the university don't care and have moved on. It is ironic how it reads like a modern day Greek Tragedy...."

StinkStankStunk: "Our "leadership" (an unholy, unauthorized "leadership") has been the SINGLE BIGGEST enemy to "us"........not the "media"

Try to find a similar situation in the history of forever.....it would be hard to find one.

That is why it is SO IMPORTANT to keep our eyes on the true genesis of evil (and to focus our efforts there).
It is not Mark Emmert, Louis Freeh, the MSM, etc ........it is our own "leadership."

Aoshiro: "The Penn State Alumni Association is an arm of Old Main. Ironically, that means that the alumni association will never represent the alumni of Penn State."

kentuckycb: "PSU could have moved on and at the same time defended the core culture of the university including the legacy of Joe Paterno."

Oblivax: "Honestly, I'd have been fine with a "move on" strategy. But it was a "move on, and burn St. Joe at the stake" part that pisses me off. Any idiot could have seen that Joe, like it or not, was the icon of Penn State and not that stupid squirrel thingy. When they did that, they killed Penn State for several decades. It cost the university well over $200m and will harm the university, its students, players and alumni for the rest of their lives. And why did they do it? Personal gain."

Oblivax: "I always get the 'well they all had to know...they had to' message once I've batted down their foolish misconceptions."

m.knox: "To me, the key is not to change the public's perception of anything. They can choose to ignore or accept the facts, and all the facts are not out. That's precisely what the BOT wants. Sweep it under the rug and move on. I want the facts.

I still maintain that anyone who thinks a half dozen individuals all came together and said, 'hey, we can't let it get out that Jerry is sodomizing and fellating young boys in our locker room or it will screw up the football program' is certifiably nuts. Yes, mistakes were made. No doubt, but the narrative that 'everybody knew' is laughable, and anyone who says it deserves to be laughed at."

kharp1: "I hope one day a good 30 for 30 can be made on this situation but that is probably far down the road."

Only one big problem with all their made up narratives, How can Franco attack Penn State Trustees when Paterno was in Business with some of them?

If the Trustees were corrupt and hiding disclosure conflicts of interests was not Joe Paterno with them??

Did Paterno make sure his Wife, Brother, Son, Daughter, and In-Laws were hired by Penn State with Trustees approval???

Paterno was never perfect no person ever is at all times!

Paterno admitted he never was a saint and In Hindsight should have done more!!

Paterno would not demand the world accept a Legacy that did not protect children!!!

So, why some Penn State Fans demand what Paterno himself won't accept himself?

 

[sherepower]

Another absolutely delusional, bat-shit insane thread on BWI is currently attracting Cultists like a moth to the flame.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/why-try.129352/

DrJC: "Last night I once again was embroiled in a little heated discussion with a man who was espousing hatred towards JoePa and calling him a pedophile! It used to be "pedophile enabler," but it seems to have escalated to pedophile. There was hardly a mention of JS - just Joe Paterno.

I made a brief attempt at bringing some facts to his attention - all of which were quickly dismissed. I have come to the realization that we have lost the narrative on what happened, and I think we cannot regain it (if we ever had it), as the media does not seem to be receptive to hearing, printing or discussing some of the very complex issues and facts that have emerged in the past few years. They simply will not entertain another, differing narrative."

After the OP bitches about how complex an issue the scandal is, he then rants that the media narrative happened because the world was jealous of PSU and what Joesus stood for.

DrJC: "I am also of the opinion that much of this is fueled by jealousy of what Penn State and Joe Paterno did and stood for, and they welcome the opportunity to smash the program, University and of course Joe Paterno REGARDLESS of the evidence that at least places into question their opinions. I am also left to wonder, with the exception of Franco, why the alumni, alumni association and others have not demanded an airing of a different narrative? For a University that has one of the largest alumni bases - if not the largest, it amazes me that we don't have individuals that can influence the media and promote the need for a fair and open discourse on the events at Penn State. I know Zeigler has attempted (not an alumnus) to expose another narrative to the public, but with questionable results."

More classic replies from that thread:

ThePennsylvaniaOracle: "IMO, this whole sordid ordeal hasn't changed people's opinion on Penn State. Those who have always hated PSU now hate us more, and those that who love PSU or are friends of PSU still do. The rest just don't care or have strong enough feelings one way or the other."

21Guns: "The National narrative, now, has become Jerry Sandusky, having free reign over the children of central pennsylvania...raping children one after the other, while Joe and his assistant coaches view the heinous crimes, smoking cigars and drinking scotch.

This is the average moron's viewpoint of what happened. Why try, is correct, and I agree...it's pointless, we will not change the narrative, and nobody involved will ever speak."

Lion84: "I agree - I can tell within 5 seconds into a discussion with someone where they are going with this and if they start with the whole Sandusky stuff I immediately respond with "I am not familiar with that" and stop talking to them. These a-holes are just looking to give you their self righteous, ill informed lecture on how guilty we all should feel about being PSU fans or Alumni and I won't give them to chance to do it."

Ian: "Nothing will change. That boat sailed when Joe passed on and was unable to defend himself. A sad story all around as there are no winners, none. Most not associated with the university don't care and have moved on. It is ironic how it reads like a modern day Greek Tragedy...."

StinkStankStunk: "Our "leadership" (an unholy, unauthorized "leadership") has been the SINGLE BIGGEST enemy to "us"........not the "media"

Try to find a similar situation in the history of forever.....it would be hard to find one.

That is why it is SO IMPORTANT to keep our eyes on the true genesis of evil (and to focus our efforts there).
It is not Mark Emmert, Louis Freeh, the MSM, etc ........it is our own "leadership."

Aoshiro: "The Penn State Alumni Association is an arm of Old Main. Ironically, that means that the alumni association will never represent the alumni of Penn State."

kentuckycb: "PSU could have moved on and at the same time defended the core culture of the university including the legacy of Joe Paterno."

Oblivax: "Honestly, I'd have been fine with a "move on" strategy. But it was a "move on, and burn St. Joe at the stake" part that pisses me off. Any idiot could have seen that Joe, like it or not, was the icon of Penn State and not that stupid squirrel thingy. When they did that, they killed Penn State for several decades. It cost the university well over $200m and will harm the university, its students, players and alumni for the rest of their lives. And why did they do it? Personal gain."

Oblivax: "I always get the 'well they all had to know...they had to' message once I've batted down their foolish misconceptions."

m.knox: "To me, the key is not to change the public's perception of anything. They can choose to ignore or accept the facts, and all the facts are not out. That's precisely what the BOT wants. Sweep it under the rug and move on. I want the facts.

I still maintain that anyone who thinks a half dozen individuals all came together and said, 'hey, we can't let it get out that Jerry is sodomizing and fellating young boys in our locker room or it will screw up the football program' is certifiably nuts. Yes, mistakes were made. No doubt, but the narrative that 'everybody knew' is laughable, and anyone who says it deserves to be laughed at."

kharp1: "I hope one day a good 30 for 30 can be made on this situation but that is probably far down the road."

What's comical is the fact these wack jobs cannot realize the more they speak. The more the rest of the country just shake their head in disgust.

Funny some ex penn st players knew of Sandusky. Yet, if they came out now and admitted it. They would have their houses burned down by these simpletons

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Franco is setting himself up as the Grand Wizzard of the truthers and birthers. Here is his speech from some award that Ped U gives out.


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“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used to create them.” Albert Einstein

Welcome everyone...friends...my family...my Penn State family...thank you for being here today.

To the Lion’s Paw...thank you for letting your awardee have a few minutes of free expression...after the last 5 years this is like a breath of fresh air! We have been experiencing quite a time in Penn State history and all of us should learn and grow from it.

When we Penn Staters look back over the last 5 years, the question that loomed over us is “Where are we headed?”

Along the way there were a lot of twists and turns, all with challenges.

But right now at Penn State we are at a crossroad, facing one last big challenge. What direction we take depends on the working relationship between the alumni and the current board of trustees; where we go from here is an inhouse problem...a Penn State problem.

No longer is our biggest challenge about the Freeh Report; everyone knows that was a sham from the start and the basis for nothing.

No longer is our biggest challenge with the NCAA. Everyone knows they broke their own protocols and procedures and had no grounds to penalize Penn State so viciously.

We know they were wrong and they know they were wrong.

No longer do we care about what the media puts out. They have lost their credibility in our eyes. They print allegations and then fan the flames, all without proof or validation and they have no accountability.

On Nov 9, 2011 we saw the results of unchecked power here at Penn State. Beware of power that has no boundaries. Before that night, I did not know that the BOT could fire the President in the blink of an eye. When I heard that President Spanier was supporting Penn State and our Penn State people, I was confident that someone had a command of the situation. Then BOOM! John Surma led the firing of Graham Spanier and Joe Paterno. This made me realize that there were no checks and balances in place...this was unchecked power at it’s worst.

There were no checks and balances and Penn State lost....and we’ve been losing ever since. And let me point out that not one of those people on the board that night have been held accountable. I take that back, WE, the alumni, held our alumni elected trustees accountable and we replaced every one of them with people who DO represent us.

That night the members of the board thought they could control and contain the damage they were doing, but they could not. And the damage continues to roll across our campus and will continue to roll if we don’t set up some checks and balances.

When you have a small group of people with money and connections and they know how to leverage power, they become detached and arrogant...they are above it all. So now we add arrogance and selfinterest to the unchecked power and we have a dangerous situation.

How did we get here???

Where do we go from here? Right now we are divided and we need to start the healing. Where do we start? We start with a formal apology from those board members to Sue Paterno. Now. It’s already long overdue.

Let me tell you a story...

I see a lion’s paw scratching at the ground outside Beaver Stadium and it’s trying to find its home...trying to find where it belongs. The lion knows it belongs here but he’s confused... something here isn’t right... something has changed.

The lion knew that our BOT made the decision to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements and lawyers fees and the Lion knew that our BOT agreed to the sanctions and the vacated games.

But the Lion didn’t know that the BOT also took down Joe’s statue and the player’s wall. That’s why the Lion didn’t recognize his home...they had erased the Lion’s history and his home was empty.

They erased the Lion's history and tried to fill it with lies, lies and more lies. I ask you today, are we a lie? Is our Penn State history a lie? Is Success With Honor a lie?

Success With Honor...

A game changing vision never before undertaken.

It was not just about football or being famous it was about education, contributing to the world and making something of yourself.

It was about having the greatest graduation rates for your athletes and being one of the best in Academic All Americans.

This was unbelievable. And to top it all off...409! The greatest number of football games won in NCAA history.

So, you better believe that we will fight for our history and we will not let anyone rewrite it for us.

No, this is not right. We know who we are. WE ARE LIONS.
We will erase the lies,
We will claim our home,
We will rebuild our wall because this is our home.

We hope the Paterno family will allow us to put Joe’s statue back in it’s rightful place because this is his home.

People are trying to destroy Success With Honor and everything we stand for, but we will fight for our history. Will you fight with me?

To the members of the BOT:

Yes, right now you have unchecked power—but we know what we must do and we know who must do it. We, the Penn State Alumni, will do it.

We see the goal line and we won’t stop until we cross it. We have no deadline...and we are coming.

Great line by Franco. "On Nov 9, 2011 we saw the results of unchecked power here at Penn State. Beware of power that has no boundaries."

Unfortunately, he is applying this to the firing of Paterno. Not the 30 years of abuse by Jerry and the "unchecked powers" of Penn State refusing to help these kids and stop them.

 

[pabornandraised]

While I acknowledge Lubert and a power block of trustees that run the show, I don't think anything was "bungled". I'm pretty sure everything went and is still going according to plan other than the blood letting over Joe. That part has a lot to do with the family and alumni refusal to know when to stop. Every time a little blood has to be let, it's Joe that pays. Not sure why that's hard to see.

Crisis management experts point to Penn State as an example of what not to do in a crisis, so I'm not sure why you think that. If it went according to plan, then everyone would have just moved on like they wanted.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Franco - Is that you?

 

[pabornandraised]

Only one big problem with all their made up narratives, How can Franco attack Penn State Trustees when Paterno was in Business with some of them?

If the Trustees were corrupt and hiding disclosure conflicts of interests was not Joe Paterno with them??

Did Paterno make sure his Wife, Brother, Son, Daughter, and In-Laws were hired by Penn State with Trustees approval???

Paterno was never perfect no person ever is at all times!

Paterno admitted he never was a saint and In Hindsight should have done more!!

Paterno would not demand the world accept a Legacy that did not protect children!!!

So, why some Penn State Fans demand what Paterno himself won't accept himself?

From what I've seen/heard, Paterno was involved in some non-university related business ventures with a few State College area trustees, like a local retirement community, but other than a paycheck, I don't believe he wasn't getting anything from the university itself. Other trustees, however, have very lucrative dealings with the university by way of construction projects, food service contracts, credit cards, etc. These same trustees were also very involved with The Second Mile, while Paterno was not.

Please name the other Paterno's that are/were employed by Penn State. I am aware of only two, his brother (died in 2002) and one daughter.

Look, I get the hatred for all things Penn State and Paterno here. Has no one ever wondered why The Second Mile, which employed Sandusky in 2001 and was THE source for his alleged victims, was never investigated?

 

[pittdan77]

From what I've seen/heard, Paterno was involved in some non-university related business ventures with a few State College area trustees, like a local retirement community, but other than a paycheck, I don't believe he wasn't getting anything from the university itself. Other trustees, however, have very lucrative dealings with the university by way of construction projects, food service contracts, credit cards, etc. These same trustees were also very involved with The Second Mile, while Paterno was not.

Please name the other Paterno's that are/were employed by Penn State. I am aware of only two, his brother (died in 2002) and one daughter.

Look, I get the hatred for all things Penn State and Paterno here. Has no one ever wondered why The Second Mile, which employed Sandusky in 2001 and was THE source for his alleged victims, was never investigated?

The retirement home thingy was with William Schreyer who was on the BOT and whose daughter was deeply involved with TSM. You can cut that a few ways but if Joe was involved with him, he was only one degree of separation from TSM and had a financial interest in not rocking the boat. I don't really care about that.

So far as crisis management, I would agree that the initial few days of the mess were handled poorly but once Freeh was brought in, the situation stabilized. The only real crisis was preserving the money train. Firing Joe was a little side bonus that a few of the BOT got to enjoy. Football program and the money involved was the crisis they were managing. Blowing a hundred million wasn't a big deal in the long term when it meant keeping the real ugliness out of the news.

Little tip for PSU alumni (I'm a life member of the alumni association, btw), shut up about the Second Mile. You don't want those beans to start spilling.

 

[pitt-girl]

The retirement home thingy was with William Schreyer who was on the BOT and whose daughter was deeply involved with TSM. You can cut that a few ways but if Joe was involved with him, he was only one degree of separation from TSM and had a financial interest in not rocking the boat. I don't really care about that.

So far as crisis management, I would agree that the initial few days of the mess were handled poorly but once Freeh was brought in, the situation stabilized. The only real crisis was preserving the money train. Firing Joe was a little side bonus that a few of the BOT got to enjoy. Football program and the money involved was the crisis they were managing. Blowing a hundred million wasn't a big deal in the long term when it meant keeping the real ugliness out of the news.

Little tip for PSU alumni (I'm a life member of the alumni association, btw), shut up about the Second Mile. You don't want those beans to start spilling.

"Blowing a hundred million wasn't a big deal in the long term when it meant keeping the real ugliness out of the news."

Except PSU exercised horrible decision making by going after PMA to recover that hundred million. Really is a head scratcher why anyone thought that was a good idea. And the Paterno's continue to make it worse for themselves also by pursuing legal action against PSU. ALL of them need to slink away at this point and literally let sleeping ghosts lie.

 

[pittdan77]

"Blowing a hundred million wasn't a big deal in the long term when it meant keeping the real ugliness out of the news."

Except PSU exercised horrible decision making by going after PMA to recover that hundred million. Really is a head scratcher why anyone thought that was a good idea. And the Paterno's continue to make it worse for themselves also by pursuing legal action against PSU. ALL of them need to slink away at this point and literally let sleeping ghosts lie.

Nah. They knew exactly what was going to come out if it ever got that far. If you noticed, everything that was released made Joe and Jerry look bad. Those are the only two people that can't defend themselves because one is dead and the other won't be taken seriously.

 

[pitt-girl]

Nah. They knew exactly what was going to come out if it ever got that far. If you noticed, everything that was released made Joe and Jerry look bad. Those are the only two people that can't defend themselves because one is dead and the other won't be taken seriously.

And this is benefitting PSU how......?? The judge already ruled against them regarding certain areas of their lawsuit and at this point the ability to recover ANY of that 90+ million is questionable at best. They risk uncovering more institutional malfeasance (Paterno as the HC and acting AD during some portion of the 1980's was in effect an agent of the University), not just some personal wrongdoings of Paterno and Sandusky.

 

[pittdan77]

And this is benefitting PSU how......?? The judge already ruled against them regarding certain areas of their lawsuit and at this point the ability to recover ANY of that 90+ million is questionable at best. They risk uncovering more institutional malfeasance (Paterno as the HC and acting AD during some portion of the 1980's was in effect an agent of the University), not just some personal wrongdoings of Paterno and Sandusky.

They wouldn't have gone after the insurance company for money if they were worried about what could crawl out from under any rocks. Assumption being that nobody that is credible would step forward and claim that everyone knew. Even then, Joe is the boogie man.

Anything that happened after Jerry was not coaching any more or off campus while he was, isn't their problem. But The Second Mile is a memory and nobody associated is going to talk about it. The people that are tied to both are currently running the show and writing the checks.

 

[pitt-girl]

They wouldn't have gone after the insurance company for money if they were worried about what could crawl out from under any rocks. Assumption being that nobody that is credible would step forward and claim that everyone knew. Even then, Joe is the boogie man.

Anything that happened after Jerry was not coaching any more or off campus while he was, isn't their problem. But The Second Mile is a memory and nobody associated is going to talk about it. The people that are tied to both are currently running the show and writing the checks.

Well, given the blundering they exhibited in 2012, you put waaaaay more stock in PSU decision making than most everybody else. Why in the world would they go ahead with a lawsuit that they probably could lose KNOWING what would be exposed? Are they just crossing their fingers and clicking their heels together in hope? Stupid IMHO.

 

[Joe Pa Thetic]

Has no one ever wondered why The Second Mile, which employed Sandusky in 2001 and was THE source for his alleged victims, was never investigated?

The famous Lasch shower incident witnessed by Mike McQueary occurred on Penn St. property, was witnessed by a Penn St. graduate assistant, was told to the head football coach at Penn St. and the athletic director at Penn St. and the President of Penn St. and a Penn St. Vice President. But, hey, look over there at the Second Mile.

How does the Second Mile somehow change the fact that Paterno and the administrators at Penn St. knew about Sandusky and did absolutely zero to stop it or even go the police? Did Jack Raykovitz of the Second Mile keep Paterno, Spanier, Schultz and Curley changed to a desk without access to a phone for 10 years to alert the police?

Do the kids that Paterno and the Penn St. administrators turned their back on somehow get unraped because something, something, it's all the Second Mile's fault?

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Just remember the 5 Ds with the truthers and birthers!

 

[michnittlion]

The famous Lasch shower incident witnessed by Mike McQueary occurred on Penn St. property, was witnessed by a Penn St. graduate assistant, was told to the head football coach at Penn St. and the athletic director at Penn St. and the President of Penn St. and a Penn St. Vice President. But, hey, look over there at the Second Mile.

How does the Second Mile somehow change the fact that Paterno and the administrators at Penn St. knew about Sandusky and did absolutely zero to stop it or even go the police? Did Jack Raykovitz of the Second Mile keep Paterno, Spanier, Schultz and Curley changed to a desk without access to a phone for 10 years to alert the police?

Do the kids that Paterno and the Penn St. administrators turned their back on somehow get unraped because something, something, it's all the Second Mile's fault?

I'm not a Paterno Apologist --- but the "why did the 2nd Mile not get investigated?" questions are legitimate.

You are the only one in this thread saying that if 2nd Mile folk screwed up, it would "all" be the 2nd Mile's fault. Of course not. Some "Paterno Loyalists" would say that, but whatever. Mind the phrase: "Don't get into a pissing match with a bunch of skunks."

Paterno's legacy is written, he made the moral failure in 2001 of not following up with the police when Curley/Schultz/Spanier did not. That wrote the book on Paterno as far as I'm concerned.

The settlements which PSU made --- they specifically indemnified the 2nd Mile. Why?

 

[9nationalchampionships]

The same way the payouts indemnify Ped St...they both have many unsealed bad secrets!

 

[billyberoux]

I'm not a Paterno Apologist --- but the "why did the 2nd Mile not get investigated?" questions are legitimate.

You are the only one in this thread saying that if 2nd Mile folk screwed up, it would "all" be the 2nd Mile's fault. Of course not. Some "Paterno Loyalists" would say that, but whatever. Mind the phrase: "Don't get into a pissing match with a bunch of skunks."

Paterno's legacy is written, he made the moral failure in 2001 of not following up with the police when Curley/Schultz/Spanier did not. That wrote the book on Paterno as far as I'm concerned.

The settlements which PSU made --- they specifically indemnified the 2nd Mile. Why?

How about so that PSU could go after TSM's insurer? I know the ICP won't buy such a simple explanation, but you don't seem to be a full fledged member, so I'll throw it out there.

 

[Piranha]

Why didn't the Ray Gricar death get investigated more thoroughly?

 

[michnittlion]

How about so that PSU could go after TSM's insurer? I know the ICP won't buy such a simple explanation, but you don't seem to be a full fledged member, so I'll throw it out there.

I'll let the "full-fledged" cheapshot go and answer (I didn't deserve that: let's have a rational conversation).

Admittedly --- I'm not a lawyer, but I think the answer is that when you indemnify someone, their insurer is ALSO protected.