Except the whole hitting him in the head thing. If he had hit him that way right in the gut I'd be right there with you.
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Except the whole hitting him in the head thing. If he had hit him that way right in the gut I'd be right there with you.
What kind of crazy geometry do you think a midsection hit magically went above the shoulders
You’re being silly
so, to wrap up around the waste, the helmet wouldn’t drop? How do the physics of that work?
yeah, you don’t lead with the helmet, but in the process of getting into position for the tackle you have to drop your head and that can lead to helmet to helmet hits.
I’d be right there with you if the receiver didn’t drop his head trying to pick up the sticks.
the offensive player lowered his head. That’s not targeting. This isn’t complicated.
They don’t get that where you hit the receiver -
Not what you hit them with-
Is what matters
Not crazy geometry when the receiver has dropped his head down to what was his chest level only one second prior.
If you hit the receiver above the shoulders it’s always targeting
Likewiae not complicated
The receiver took several steps and then lowered his head. Why did he do it? The only other option would be to defend himself, which wouldn't make him defenseless.
The only problem with your analysis is that that is not the way the rule is called in 2019. As I keep saying, we might not like the way that they are calling the rule, but they have been calling it that way for several years now.
Man, we never agree, but this argument is asinine. Even if it is technically the correct call I don’t know how someone can defend a rule where the defensive player is at fault because the OFFENSIVE player lowered himself into the defenders path.
the OFFENSIVE PLAYER lowered his head and initiated the contact. I’ve seen several situations where that was ruled not targeting.
Targeting does not solely occur when players initiate helmet-to-helmet contact. It's defined as occurring when a player "takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball." Instances include, but are not limited to:
- Launch--a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area.
- A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground.
- Leading with helmet, shoulder forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area.
- Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of his helmet.
Not on a play where a receiver had just caught a ball and was turning around to start going up field. On a play where a running back and a defender were meeting long after the back had gotten the ball? Sure. But not in situations like the one tonight.
Well, coaches in youth football need to start teaching DBs that the helmet goes directly to the WR's knee in these situations, to avoid the targeting call.
You are making the point that it wasn't targeting. Paris didn't do any of those things.
Huh?
Wow... I’ve watched it a dozen times from several different angles - I don’t see anything defenseless about it:
Paris is coming in to making a quick, clean hit to stop the receiver from making a 1st down. It is only because the receiver made the last second decision to lower his head that there is contact made that high.
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Clearly you've never played nor coached the game. That was not a targeting call at all.
What?
Where did you learn to tackle? A text book tackle is at the hips and you wrap also.
It amazes me how many people truly do not know what a form tackle looks like. It matters not If that hit would have been legal 5 years ago, that is a b.s. hit made for 2 reasons 1) to showboat 2) because you never learned to tackle right to begin with.
If you believed Ford used good form on that tackle then you do not know what good form is either.
Good form is head up on players hip and should into the waist as he wraps and drives player to the ground. Generally this perfect form is not 100% realistic in game situations but players can get a lot closer to that than they currently do.
Ford's play last night was a rare situation where a pure form tackle could have been made. Instead he went high and used his shoulder to spear the guy to the ground. No attempt to wrap and drive.
I can see the case that you guys are arguing it was not a target as it is close, but don't try to sell the BS it was good form because I and really no one should be buying that.
If you believed Ford used good form on that tackle then you do not know what good form is either.
Good form is head up on players hip and should into the waist as he wraps and drives player to the ground. Generally this perfect form is not 100% realistic in game situations but players can get a lot closer to that than they currently do.
Ford's play last night was a rare situation where a pure form tackle could have been made. Instead he went high and used his shoulder to spear the guy to the ground. No attempt to wrap and drive.
I can see the case that you guys are arguing it was not a target as it is close, but don't try to sell the BS it was good form because I and really no one should be buying that.
The officials are now thinking, they've been empowered to believe that they have jobs in a new reality show called college football.
In order to star in that show you have to make alot of calls,the more dramatic the better, switch on the mic, announce your call, wave your arms around, and look like there's a possibility that you might know what you're doing.
Take the mics away from the officials, let the on field, radio, and TV people announce penalties.
In order to star in that show you have to make alot of calls,the more dramatic the better, switch on the mic, announce your call, wave your arms around, and look like there's a possibility that you might know what you're doing.
Take the mics away from the officials, let the on field, radio, and TV people announce penalties.
The ACC insisted on Duke winning this game. Worst officiated game I have watched and leaves no doubt that the league will do everything in its power to have a team from North Cackalacky win! Pitt played Duke and the referees in this one.
untrue, but do go on...not if said receiver lowers his head prior to contact...you seem to confuse a defenseless player hit with targeting being one in the same...this call should have been a defenseless player hit penalty without a targeting ejection..happens all the time...
This is from the NCAA site:
A new process implemented for targeting fouls review
Games will be stopped for immediate review of call
October 4, 2013 12:00am
Football referees will now stop games to immediately review when players are penalized and face ejection for targeting defenseless opponents above the shoulders or using the crown of the helmet to contact an opponent. This new review process will only impact games that have instant replay capability.
Rogers Redding, NCAA football secretary-rules editor and national coordinator of football officials, said the change is effective immediately and addresses concerns of timeliness related to review of these penalties and also the use of coach challenges during the game.
With the new process, the on-field referee will make the foul call, stop the game clock and immediately come to the sideline to put on the headset and communicate with the instant replay official.
When the review is complete, the referee will make one of the following announcements:
Through the first five weeks of the college football season, when instant replay officials were reviewing targeting fouls called on the field, the game was stopped only when overturning the student-athlete's disqualification or if the official needed more time to review the play.
A new process implemented for targeting fouls review
Games will be stopped for immediate review of call
October 4, 2013 12:00am
Football referees will now stop games to immediately review when players are penalized and face ejection for targeting defenseless opponents above the shoulders or using the crown of the helmet to contact an opponent. This new review process will only impact games that have instant replay capability.
With the new process, the on-field referee will make the foul call, stop the game clock and immediately come to the sideline to put on the headset and communicate with the instant replay official.
When the review is complete, the referee will make one of the following announcements:
- If the ruling stands: "After further review, the ruling on the field stands."
- If the ruling is confirmed: "After further review, the ruling on the field is confirmed."
- If the player's disqualification is reversed: "After further review, number XX is not disqualified. By rule the 15-yard penalty is enforced."
Through the first five weeks of the college football season, when instant replay officials were reviewing targeting fouls called on the field, the game was stopped only when overturning the student-athlete's disqualification or if the official needed more time to review the play.
It was obvious the officials wanted a Duke win.
Things seemed to go downhill after the Ffrench altercation with a Duke player and his argument on the sideline with a PITT player.
Late hits on Pickett
Pass interference against a PITT DB prior to the Picket facemask. The PITT DB barely touched the receiver which happens on most every pass play.
Pickett facemask miss
Ford targeting
As the officials mentioned lots of tick - tak calls against PITT.
That's right, the correct play if you can't get to the ball is a form tackle that gives him a first down. Welcome to watching football in like the last several years.
It doesn't matter if he lowered his head or not, he's defenseless if he didn't have time to gather. It was close but probably is targeting
This is from the NCAA site:
A new process implemented for targeting fouls review
Games will be stopped for immediate review of call
October 4, 2013 12:00am
Football referees will now stop games to immediately review when players are penalized and face ejection for targeting defenseless opponents above the shoulders or using the crown of the helmet to contact an opponent. This new review process will only impact games that have instant replay capability.
Rogers Redding, NCAA football secretary-rules editor and national coordinator of football officials, said the change is effective immediately and addresses concerns of timeliness related to review of these penalties and also the use of coach challenges during the game.
With the new process, the on-field referee will make the foul call, stop the game clock and immediately come to the sideline to put on the headset and communicate with the instant replay official.
When the review is complete, the referee will make one of the following announcements:
“This new process will allow instant replay officials to review the play in a timely manner to determine whether a student-athlete should be disqualified and not miss any game action if it is overturned,” said Redding. “Another benefit of this process is eliminating the need for a coach to use one of his challenges for the review.”
- If the ruling stands: "After further review, the ruling on the field stands."
- If the ruling is confirmed: "After further review, the ruling on the field is confirmed."
- If the player's disqualification is reversed: "After further review, number XX is not disqualified. By rule the 15-yard penalty is enforced."
Through the first five weeks of the college football season, when instant replay officials were reviewing targeting fouls called on the field, the game was stopped only when overturning the student-athlete's disqualification or if the official needed more time to review the play.
"targeting defenseless opponents above the shoulders or using the crown of the helmet to contact an opponent."
Paris did neither.
The receiver led with the crown of his helmet, so, if we're really trying to keep players safe, we need to penalize offensive players for leading with the crown of their helmets.
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[QUOTE="MarshallGoldberg, post: 2821195, member: 53235"It doesn't matter if he lowered his head or not, he's defenseless if he didn't have time to gather. It was close but probably is targeting[/QUOTE]
Again, Huh?
How is it possible the offensive receiver established possession and continued down field in an attempt to get a first down and yet at the same time is still considered a defenseless player who “didn't have time to gather” himself.
Just don’t see how that adds up.
Again, Huh?
How is it possible the offensive receiver established possession and continued down field in an attempt to get a first down and yet at the same time is still considered a defenseless player who “didn't have time to gather” himself.
Just don’t see how that adds up.
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I’m not arguing that. I’m talking about the rule itself which no one can possibly think is good.
the only reason you are saying you agree with the rule is because you want to continue your act of smugness and superiority.
have a great day! For someone that likes to portray themselves as superior to everyone on here you spend a lot of time trying to convince everyone of it.
