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I wish the ACC would go after Oklahoma.

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The Big 12 is reeling, and Oklahoma can't be happy with Texas. If The ACC could talk Oklahoma into being the 16th team, the ACC would be the first super-conference and would deal yet another blow to the Big 12. Perhaps it is a pipe dream, but I think Oklahoma is ripe for the picking if you can show the dollars.

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The Big 12 is reeling, and Oklahoma can't be happy with Texas. If The ACC could talk Oklahoma into being the 16th team, the ACC would be the first super-conference and would deal yet another blow to the Big 12. Perhaps it is a pipe dream, but I think Oklahoma is ripe for the picking if you can show the dollars.

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From my understanding a while back, the only University Football Programs with Standing Invitations to join the ACC according to Swofford are Notre Dame and Texas!

Since ND has signed a Deal if it ever goes to any Conference it has to be the ACC, I would hope Texas would come with them to top off at 16 Teams.


However, i would not mind Oklahoma joining the ACC too with WVU!
 
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The ACC would take OU tomorrow if it could but they would prefer the Big Ten or SEC.

The school they really have a shot with is Texas. Texas isn't going to the SEC with A&M where it will be an ordinary SEC program. They're not going to the Big Ten because they wont let them keep LHN (and no, Texas wont allow LHN to become BTN2). They're not going to the Pac 12 because its 2 time zones away and the West Coast TV markets dont do a lot to expand UT's reach.

Process of elimination tells us the ACC is their best move:

- good conference, but winnable, would be best overall program, at least 1 of best 3

- only 1 time zone away

- East Coast TV markets

- The ACC is more likely to let them keep LHN
 
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You can't just take Oklahoma they're joined at the hip by Oklahoma St. The Texas idea I think is stronger than people suspect especially if Houston is admitted to the big 12. Texas contract for the longhorn network is up I believe in 19 the same time the ACC Network is to be rolled out curious. I also read last night that ESPNU could be turned into the ACC Network or ESPN Classic be turned into the ACC Network much easier to rollout for ESPN with existing channels.
 
I think OU and Texas are happy in the Big XII. They can just bully everyone else and get their own way. That's the way that conference has been for the past 20 years. That is what almost killed it as well.
 
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I think OU and Texas are happy in the Big XII. They can just bully everyone else and get their own way. That's the way that conference has been for the past 20 years. That is what almost killed it as well.

then how do you explain Nebraska and A & M leaving?

If another conference offers them a better deal....especially with the prospects of the league expanding with second rate programs......they will follow the money just like every other school.
 
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The Big 12 is reeling, and Oklahoma can't be happy with Texas. If The ACC could talk Oklahoma into being the 16th team, the ACC would be the first super-conference and would deal yet another blow to the Big 12. Perhaps it is a pipe dream, but I think Oklahoma is ripe for the picking if you can show the dollars.

Panda

I had linked an article yesterday in another thread that delves into the way that Texas controls the Big XII. It is buried somewhere, so I am linking it again.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3076432/bi...eague-from-expanding-creating-league-network/

But the article linked above does contain a hyperlink to an Austin American-Statesman "Bevo Beat" piece from May 4, 2016. In that piece is this VERY INTERESTING excerpt that indicates some willingness on Texas' part to negotiate with a conference OTHER THAN the Big XII.

On Texas’ potential decision to fold the Longhorn Network into a Big 12 Network:

“This promises to be an interesting month as the Big 12 prepares for a meeting of athletic directors at the end of May to discuss the conference’s future concerning expansion and a possible television network. I still see no willingness on Texas’ part to fold the Longhorn Network into a Big 12 network, even if the league gives the Longhorns an extra $15 million share to cover its LHN income, because, the Texas source said, 'we would get the same money, but lose our branding and having our own channel? Not very compelling. If we get rid of LHN, it will be to change conferences, in my opinion.' "

Link to Austin American-Statesman article that contains the above excerpt:

http://www.hookem.com/2016/05/04/bohls-hunt-for-a-permanent-athletics-director-will-begin-this-fall/
 
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A very well connected guy on the FSU site indicated that their may be a school added shortly. A lot suspected it would be Navy in football only to rope ND in. He stated it would not be Navy or a small school. shall be interesting.
 
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A very well connected guy on the FSU site indicated that their may be a school added shortly. A lot suspected it would be Navy in football only to rope ND in. He stated it would not be Navy or a small school. shall be interesting.
a school added to the ACC? That would be out of nowhere, I didn't even know the acc wants more members. This would be one of the most kept secrets in this sordid affair that is football conference expansion.
 
a school added to the ACC? That would be out of nowhere, I didn't even know the acc wants more members. This would be one of the most kept secrets in this sordid affair that is football conference expansion.

I posted before that ESPN may require more inventory and grant a network only if the league adds teams of value. You know ESPN would love a larger ACC but there arent any good G5 candidates out there and its probably too soon for Texas and OU, but you never know.
 
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I posted before that ESPN may require more inventory and grant a network only if the league adds teams of value. You know ESPN would love a larger ACC but there arent any good G5 candidates out there and its probably too soon for Texas and OU, but you never know.
yeah, same old same old with these schools that could be in mix.. the cincy, Memphis, ucf, Houston, blah blah. every school outside of the P5 has warts.. Cant imagine any of these programs adding that much value and poaching a P5 member with GOR is damn near impossible..
 
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yeah, same old same old with these schools that could be in mix.. the cincy, Memphis, ucf, Houston, blah blah. every school outside of the P5 has warts.. Cant imagine any of these programs adding that much value and poaching a P5 member with GOR is damn near impossible..

Unless ESPN said "this is our final offer. We need more inventory, more markets, add 2 teams, any 2 teams that bring more markets and you can have a network. If you dont, no network." I dont think that happened but its possible. 2 more teams benefits ESPN.
 
Unless ESPN said "this is our final offer. We need more inventory, more markets, add 2 teams, any 2 teams that bring more markets and you can have a network. If you dont, no network." I dont think that happened but its possible. 2 more teams benefits ESPN.

Actually, ESPN could throw its weight around like that. Question becomes, who would ESPN want. Seems the GOR went over without any dissatisfaction (at least on the surface) and it would be insane to think that hadn't been vetted without everyone's buy-in.

Side note. Possible that the Big 12 caught a whiff of this and is rushing to do something fast before things get picked over. Bowlsby is talking like next year is possible for a new school so they are in a huge hurry.
 
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Actually, ESPN could throw its weight around like that. Question becomes, who would ESPN want. Seems the GOR went over without any dissatisfaction (at least on the surface) and it would be insane to think that hadn't been vetted without everyone's buy-in.

Side note. Possible that the Big 12 caught a whiff of this and is rushing to do something fast before things get picked over. Bowlsby is talking like next year is possible for a new school so they are in a huge hurry.

Their renewed urgency to expand is really strange. You would think an ACCN wouldn't really affect them unless they think the ACC will pluck the best of the G5s or even some B12 schools.
 
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Very good Discussion on the Lair with multiple points going back and forth and added Links to Think. Hard to know hat will eventually happen so will just summarize some Comments said in the Media.

Notre Dame Is Notre Dame:
Notre Dame signing the new ACC-ESPN Network Grant of Rights & Clauses tying it to ACC if they ever join a Conference has outcomes favorable for the ACC:

1. ND will want a stronger ACC not weaker and will work to choose another Program that will add true increase worth to the ACC Network Income.

2. ND is not afraid on Increased Competition and never has been as their Schedules proves every year being one the toughest.

3. ND is a better fit in the ACC than SEC or Big-10 Size wise, Private school Wise, and National Following selling out anywhere even in Neutral Venues.

4. ND and Texas always have had a close relationship among Higher Ups and especially AD.
5. ND will continue to play 5 ACC Teams to 2035

6. ND knows it may have to join a Conference to gain Access easier to NCS Playoffs and if so it will have to be the ACC until 2035 and far easier to Win ACC than B-10.

7. Anything NBC gives to ND yearly can me matched by ESPN-ACC Value

8. At some point in time, ND will join a Conference and still prefers to avoid the Big ten and this shows by signing Grant of Rights with the ACC until 2035.


TEXAS Situation:
1. UT is the Richest Income Program of all CFB

2. UT Can Go Independent and Remain The Most Profitable.

3. UT like ND knows easier to get into CFB NCS Playoffs in a Conference

4. ESPN runs the UT LHN Network and can absorb & merge Operations with New ACC-ESPN Network and with ND own TV Deals

5. UT may not like what Big-12 Expansion does especially if it invites in Houston or Programs that will take time to grow.

6. The Big-12 needs UT and OU but UT does not need the Big-12 due to being able to join ACC, B10, SEC, P-12 or go Independent

7. ND can help get UT for the ACC and UT could same to attract ND, and ND Rights is tied to ACC until 2035.

8. ND & UT would add great Value to the ACC to stay close to B-10 and SEC as far as Money Making better than P-12 or B-12 or going Independent for CFB NCS Invites when they expand to

6 to 8 Teams!

BIG-12 Problems or Solutions:
1. Big-12 Expansion as pushed by OU may not make UT happy and now ND ties to the ACC is a real alternative to get UT looking the ACC way.

2. Big-12 better expansion Opportunities Invites are Houston and CSU/BYU far easier than UCincy, Memphis, UConn, Temple or USF & UCF.

3. Big-12 Expansion North, Midwest, or Florida still spreads Big-12 Location even further form Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma, BYU/CSU & Houston is easier to absorb Location wise.

4. Big-12 going North tougher to do with just two Schools and just makes location accommodations tougher unless they add 4 to 6 Programs.

5. Adding more than than just 2 Programs makes it hard for Conference members to make more money since divides more with less.

6. The Big-12 is in just 5 States and needs more States to expand to have a Big-12 Network. Even if adding New Schools might not add more Value if Schools have to divide up more with less and Network Income just as hard to keep up wtth SEC & Big-10 as ACC and Pac-12 Catch Up Challenges?

7. it is easier for OU or OKSU to leave Big-12 and join SEC, Big-10, ACC or PAC-12 than build up the Big-12. Or UT go Independent and keeps all its Money & LHN-ESPN or stay in Big-12 and let OU go?

8. If the Big-12 have enough Schools wanting to leave that can dissolve the Big-12 and all Agreements and all Contractual Obligations like Grants of Rights, so it may come down accept and more weaker Programs to GROW or accept all may have to GO should 4 School choose to leave for Big-10 or SEC.

9. UT can adjust anyway it wants so OU's move or Big-10 or SEC. Big-10 has talked about inviting Kansas to compliment Nebraska. SEC won't sit there if OU moves and can take OKSU anytime too. Pac-12 although having its own Network Problems still want a Central Time Zone and can enter into Network Agreement with a Big Media Partner.

10. WVU Boards Posters are frightful right now on what will happen to the Big-12 & OU or UT or Expansion. They wish they were in SEC, Big-10 or ACC The Dude is on a ledge as thin as an Razor Edge for Football Salvation. They follow Expansion like the burn prepare Couches, it is in their Morning Prayers right next to Mountain Mama Candle Statues just like the Cult at Penn State with JoePa's Statue Return Prayers Vigils.


Big-10 & SEC Plans:
1. After 2018 they will be making way more money for each Program within them then ACC, Big-12, and Pac-12.

2. They can make a counter move on other ACC too but Grants Rights makes that harder, Big-12 Schools far more vulnerable.

3. They can have big impacts on adding from 4 to 6 to 8 Teams or keeping CFB NCS Playoffs Invitations until they can expand to 16 or 18 Teams.

4. It is hard for any College President anywhere to turn down a Big Money Big-10 or SEC Invitation,

5. They can challenge Contractual Grants Of Rights as well in Courts should an Invited School or groups of Schools choose to accept SEC or B10 Invite and then wait and see?


Total CFB For Profit Reorganization & National Championship Playoffs Implications:
1. CFB Playoffs Invitations will expand from 4 to 6 to 8 teams someday due to increase demands for more money.

2. Power Conferences are better at 4 or 6 with 16 to 18 to 20 Teams not 5!

3. CFB could go into a Reorganization For Profit league as well making it more Economical by Reorganizing all Power Conferences, Add NCS Playoffs Invites, Go back to Regional Geographic Rivalries, like The NFL did when they merged and reorganized the NFL into NFC and AFC to reduce costs and increase Income.


4. The Big Obstacles will be SEC & BIG-10 that will say, we are doing great and why should we change if we can offer any School anytime way more Money, or just stay as we are and keeping doing better than ACC, Pac-12, or Big-12?

5. It would take a mighty unity effort for ACC, Big-12, and PAC-12 with ND and UT leading the way for cahnge and making a Total Reorganization Plan showing how they all can make CFB way more profitable by Reorganizing All Power Conference Schools and making it easier for Alumni, Students and Fans to Travel among Geographical Rivals for keeping Attendance and TV ratings higher, as well as reducing Costs in regulating Rosters Sizes, Coaching Salary Scales, and making NFL Parity Type among CFB.

6. However, that would mean the Top 30 Haves Programs doing great right now, would accept seeing how sharing with the many remaining HAVE NOTS and more Parity will be a Collective Good, but not for Dynasty Programs wanting not change anything for teh status quo a sit is now?

7. Yet, there are more College HAVE NOTS that can decide that kind of Reorganization than HAVES and Big-10 and SEC can't go it alone Nationally and Congress could step in changing all anyway with Federal Nexus Funding of Research, Financial Aid, and other Forms in intimidation to make change.

8. At the same time, Change happens in ways seldom expected or projected, and only when all can see they all can do better together. Network Money has also given the HAVE NOTS the ability to compete with the HAVES that keep raising Costs to maintain NCS Competitive Edge!

9. Why a FOR PROFIT Reorganization will make sense someday, just like it did for the NFL!
 
Actually, ESPN could throw its weight around like that. Question becomes, who would ESPN want. Seems the GOR went over without any dissatisfaction (at least on the surface) and it would be insane to think that hadn't been vetted without everyone's buy-in.

Side note. Possible that the Big 12 caught a whiff of this and is rushing to do something fast before things get picked over. Bowlsby is talking like next year is possible for a new school so they are in a huge hurry.
The BIg-10 has set its Income Path Per School as it completes all TV Negotiations and SEC won't be far behind. It is just 2016 and they will be able to project what each school can expect by 2018?

SEC Commissioner once said,"SEC can expand anytime in a New York minute and no school will refuse."

Big-10 Delany is not as publicly boastful, but taking care of business right now with TV Income Deal conclusions, and then will have a Quiet Plan to Expand when they want too?

Both can watch the ACC, Big-12 and PAC-12 are all playing "Ketchup" now with SEC & Big-10 having Big Money Gap Leads right now and many things can happen and change in 3 years?

The ACC Network won't be on Board until 2019 and much can happen between 2016 to 2019, as PAC-12 and BIG-12 make changes too in those 3 years. Although I am buoyed by ACC Announcement tomorrow, how much more the ACC can expect must come closer to SEC & Big Ten and that won't mean Big Ten won't make it own move another way. SEC will follow and no doubt counter or makes it own bold move before 2019 too.

As you pointed out and Topdecker and I augmented with Links to Think. The PAC-12 is making changes knowing its Network Model needs a Big Media Partner in a changing Sports Media High tech World. Clearly, any Media Partner will look at going to Central Time Zones to make more too, and that could set off impacts on Big-12 as well.

Big-12 meanwhile answer right now is Expansion and that means changes that can unite or upset members that have been debating it quite awhile, but something has happen to begin talking about that Expansion and that will have to be an eye towards TV Income increases too, that may or may not solve the Financial Gap. UT will want to see how Expansion will help them make more Money too, as OU will not stand still either if it must Go elsewhere?

Right now, the Big-12 has enter into talks to expand, right in the middle of Big Ten, SEC, PAC-12, and ACC own changes to make more money, and with just 10 Teams in 5 States, and with OU and UT perhaps at odds with different Goals

All I am saying is there is a big difference between ACC, PAC-12, and BIG-!2 planning changes the next few months to 3 years, than Big-10 and SEC completing changes for 2018???


I am sure they have clauses on Renegotiation's should they expand that will increase their values and make the income gap per schools and conference even bigger?


Meaning even if the ACC, BIG-12 and PAC-12 are still way behind Big-10 and SEC and playing "Ketchup" is far tougher and will take more time too, and i don't think SEC or BIG-10 will stand still?

I can easily see the Big-12 implode and break apart and the leftovers won't help AC or PAC-12 enough either, unless one can grab UT with ND for the ACC, but OU can go Big-10 or SEC too?

The Big-12 at 10 Schools, ACC at 15 Schools, and PAC-12 at 12 Schools all can use changes for the better, but can also be fodder for slaughter as a few may not or worse can't turn down the money.

While ND & UT are Giants that can Go Where They Want and When They Want? OU too!

Three years is a long time and Big-10 and SEC at 14 are Giants too and just fine and divine at this time!
 
Cap - I dont think UT can go independent and maintain their revenue streams.
I can't prove that either, but many say it could happen.

I would think why do it? It will make Scheduling tougher and getting into the NCS Playoffs tougher too. I have a close friend at UT Austin Professor and keeps me up on UT when I talk to him.

All I know ACC Swofford once said in an interview that only UT & ND have an Open Invitation to the ACC for Football and All Sports!
 
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8. If the Big-12 have enough Schools wanting to leave that can dissolve the Big-12 and all Agreements and all Contractual Obligations like Grants of Rights, so it may come down accept and more weaker Programs to GROW or accept all may have to GO should 4 School choose to leave for Big-10 or SEC.

This right here is why UT might squash expansion. Nothing happens in the Big 12 without three quarters of the votes. UT and Okie tend to stick together and TCU sticks with UT because UT insisted that they be in the conference. That little voting block has run the show and won't likely give up their power.
 
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I can't prove that either, but many say it could happen.

I would think why do it? It will make Scheduling tougher and getting into the NCS Playoffs tougher too. I have a close friend at UT Austin Professor and keeps me up on UT when I talk to him.

All I know ACC Swofford once said in an interview that only UT & ND have an Open Invitation to the ACC for Football and All Sports!

UT swings an awfully big stick and has an awful lot of TV's.
 
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Thought Id share a few posts from a guy on our board who is ahead of the curve on all ACC announcements...

His response to our head writers article on 5 takes for the new network,

"Despite your disclaimers at the end, your takes are very negative. Putting network in quotes at the top was more than enough to indicate your stance on this.

You contradict yourself by saying that no one knows the boon or bust nature of the ACC network, yet you refer to a widening revenue gap between the ACC and other P5 conferences based on speculative articles that are written with nothing more than a cursory review of a non-profit Form 990 and extrapolation of a number to an assumed football bottom line.

You are correct to temper your expectations for additional details from The Commissioner or anyone at the ACC meetings. There likely will not be any wild numbers thrown around because that's not how successful organizations operate.

Finally, your 10% figure ensures that you will be pleasantly surprised by the next few announcements despite your disappointment with the current one.

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Ohhh I just connected the 10% comment. One poster asked the writer if he thought the chance of ND joining full in the next 5 years was 10%. The author agreed stating that their contract with NBC was through 2025 so a change would be around then.

ooohhhhh! cewwl
 
There was a time when even I thought the Big12 would be an option as it felt the ACC was about to get plucked. In my mind the only way it would have worked is if they went from 10 to 14 teams by adding FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT. You split east west and the east would have been

FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, WV, +2 whatever.. That would have been doable. Most FSU fans want to be in a football first conference. I can only stomach the ACC if expansion now is ND plus a football school. That way we could split north south and have good football in both.. Prob have to do two northern pods of 4 though as two divisions of 8 is not workable.
 
Good posts, Any thoughts or insight on this link? Thanks ahead of time!

All things FSU
LINKS:
http://allthingsfsu.blogspot.com/2014/05/acc-tv-contract-raycom.html

Not really, That's a pretty old article, but interesting. Honestly I have learned over the years that there are a few posters on our board that always predict things right. Moz is our guy. I have zero insight myself.

It was pointed out that Swoford never leaks info.. yet this time there was a clear leak before tomorrows conference.. and now the Big12 is releasing statements about adding a bunch of teams. If the ACC gets ND full time there will be a 16th..
 
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Not really, That's a pretty old article, but interesting. Honestly I have learned over the years that there are a few posters on our board that always predict things right. Moz is our guy. I have zero insight myself.

It was pointed out that Swoford never leaks info.. yet this time there was a clear leak before tomorrows conference.. and now the Big12 is releasing statements about adding a bunch of teams. If the ACC gets ND full time there will be a 16th..
Thanks can you guess which would be the 16th Team??? No problem if wrong, just for discussion. Or talk to Moz on it?

I love to have Moz Post some thoughts on the Lair as well, we post to share and learn. Always loved Bowden a great Alabama Native Son and thought he got robbed of 15 Games by the NCAA.

Also, any thoughts on Former FSU President Barron now at Penn State?

Finally, how do you see the future of the ACC?

Thanks again, and your post are welcomed in any event and do not always have to be insightful, and I enjoy your Football posts!
 
Im at a loss on the 16th team. Everyone thought Navy would be great if it meant getting ND... I was very much against it.. last thing the ACC needs with half empty stadiums is Navy. As it is we have 5 ND games. The Navy deal would get 8 Navy games for just three more ND (assuming we stay at 8 ACC conf games.

He indicated that there was a 16th team but it was not Navy and it would not be a small school.

Bobby:
He was just an awesome dude.. so many posters have come forward with stories of bobby hanging out for hours just chatting with random fans. One guy was stuck in the Atlanta airport when a flight was canceled to Tally. Bobby was also on the flight and saw him wearing FSU gear. He came up to him and asked if he needed a ride. Dude rode for 4 hours with Bobby.. He is a poster on our board.

He lost 15 games because a bunch of football players were found to have had the answers to an on-line music quiz (yes quiz). The teacher used the same quiz for like 5 years. Everyone in the school had the answers, it was not a football thing. The compliance staff went right to the NCAA and said that there was a quiz that some players had the answer to.. this was like a year and a half before.. so all wins were "vacated" Even out Music City bowl (loss) to Kentuky is considered to have never been played by the NCAA.. So some say the longest bowl streak is VT and not FSU at 34 years in a row.

Anyway

I have no clue who Moz is. I could ask him if he would do an AMA.. You guys have the best free board in the ACC so Im lurking alot.

We do not like Barron.. (those close to FSU like him saying he was great for the school). But we see him as signing the GOR without getting FSU anything in return..

Future of the ACC::
Im but one fan but I went to GT and FSU. I live in DC so I go to Pitt, VT, Maryland games and this year will go to NCSt, UVA and hopefully a random Pitt game.

ACC would be fine with 2 strong Coastal teams and 2 more that have some national interest... and as it pains me to say.. The number one wish for the ACC is a strong Miami. (they move the needle)
 
Im at a loss on the 16th team. Everyone thought Navy would be great if it meant getting ND... I was very much against it.. last thing the ACC needs with half empty stadiums is Navy. As it is we have 5 ND games. The Navy deal would get 8 Navy games for just three more ND (assuming we stay at 8 ACC conf games.

He indicated that there was a 16th team but it was not Navy and it would not be a small school.

Bobby:
He was just an awesome dude.. so many posters have come forward with stories of bobby hanging out for hours just chatting with random fans. One guy was stuck in the Atlanta airport when a flight was canceled to Tally. Bobby was also on the flight and saw him wearing FSU gear. He came up to him and asked if he needed a ride. Dude rode for 4 hours with Bobby.. He is a poster on our board.

He lost 15 games because a bunch of football players were found to have had the answers to an on-line music quiz (yes quiz). The teacher used the same quiz for like 5 years. Everyone in the school had the answers, it was not a football thing. The compliance staff went right to the NCAA and said that there was a quiz that some players had the answer to.. this was like a year and a half before.. so all wins were "vacated" Even out Music City bowl (loss) to Kentuky is considered to have never been played by the NCAA.. So some say the longest bowl streak is VT and not FSU at 34 years in a row.

Anyway

I have no clue who Moz is. I could ask him if he would do an AMA.. You guys have the best free board in the ACC so Im lurking alot.

We do not like Barron.. (those close to FSU like him saying he was great for the school). But we see him as signing the GOR without getting FSU anything in return..

Future of the ACC::
Im but one fan but I went to GT and FSU. I live in DC so I go to Pitt, VT, Maryland games and this year will go to NCSt, UVA and hopefully a random Pitt game.

ACC would be fine with 2 strong Coastal teams and 2 more that have some national interest... and as it pains me to say.. The number one wish for the ACC is a strong Miami. (they move the needle)
Great response, please post your opinions, knowledge, and insights as often as possible on the Lair! Welcome and we always can agree to disagree without offense!
 
Great response, please post your opinions, knowledge, and insights as often as possible on the Lair! Welcome and we always can agree to disagree without offense!
No problem.. Im that rare ACC fan. Thinking of going to a Pitt game this year. I like the Oct 8th date for GT but that has nooner written all over it. VT is for sure a night game but I would have to miss two days of work.. hmm
 
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No problem.. Im that rare ACC fan. Thinking of going to a Pitt game this year. I like the Oct 8th date for GT but that has nooner written all over it. VT is for sure a night game but I would have to miss two days of work.. hmm

Any update on the additional school(s) being added to the ACC that you had posted were being talked about on the FSU board yesterday?
 
No problem.. Im that rare ACC fan. Thinking of going to a Pitt game this year. I like the Oct 8th date for GT but that has nooner written all over it. VT is for sure a night game but I would have to miss two days of work.. hmm
Any Saturday games at home for Pitt, go ahead and count on a noon start time..
 
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