Sure, there’s a lot of “window dressing” included, but I agree with what @Sean Miller Fan is saying. I’d like to see the ACC be aggressive in how it responds to this developing realignment. I’m guessing we won’t add Texas, though…
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Here's the kicker on getting them to actually join.... ND and UT automatically play in the championship game every year. The winner and loser if that game get automatic bids for the CFP.
Wanted:
- someone to actually post why they believe Texas would prefer to play a 9 game schedule in the SEC West vs
OU
A&M
Alabama
LSU
etc
than what I proposed. Lets debate this. If you say "money," I say the ACC should/will let them keep LHN whereas the SEC will not.
The ACC can offer Texas one heck of a deal that they cannot get in the SEC or Big Ten. They can essentially be a quasi-independent with a manageable schedule but also play some old rivals and new bloods (like Clemson) often. BTW, Leonard Hamilton coined that term to describe his basketball team and I love it.
Texas Schedule
Non-con
1. Oklahoma
2. Texas A&M (eventually)
3. CUSA or Sun Belt Texas team
4 and 5 - 2 of the following 3
a another cupcake
b Texas Tech
c big-time P5 opponent
ACC schedule
1. ND
2. Clemson, FSU, or Miami (play the other 12 teams every 3 years)
3. Syr
4. BC
5, 6, 7 - rotating ACC teams
Basically, Texas can have a schedule of 4 big-time games every year with OU, A&M, ND and Clem/FSU/Miami and a 5th if it chooses to play another P5 OOC. The other 7, they will have better players than the other team (though that hasnt helped them recently) and get to play in some pretty good markets like NY, Boston, Florida, Atlanta, etc.
- someone to actually post why they believe Texas would prefer to play a 9 game schedule in the SEC West vs
OU
A&M
Alabama
LSU
etc
than what I proposed. Lets debate this. If you say "money," I say the ACC should/will let them keep LHN whereas the SEC will not.
The ACC can offer Texas one heck of a deal that they cannot get in the SEC or Big Ten. They can essentially be a quasi-independent with a manageable schedule but also play some old rivals and new bloods (like Clemson) often. BTW, Leonard Hamilton coined that term to describe his basketball team and I love it.
Texas Schedule
Non-con
1. Oklahoma
2. Texas A&M (eventually)
3. CUSA or Sun Belt Texas team
4 and 5 - 2 of the following 3
a another cupcake
b Texas Tech
c big-time P5 opponent
ACC schedule
1. ND
2. Clemson, FSU, or Miami (play the other 12 teams every 3 years)
3. Syr
4. BC
5, 6, 7 - rotating ACC teams
Basically, Texas can have a schedule of 4 big-time games every year with OU, A&M, ND and Clem/FSU/Miami and a 5th if it chooses to play another P5 OOC. The other 7, they will have better players than the other team (though that hasnt helped them recently) and get to play in some pretty good markets like NY, Boston, Florida, Atlanta, etc.
The likely reason Texas is prepared to join the SEC is because they can keep the Longhorn Network. Much easier to sort that issue out with ESPN being the conference’s exclusive rights holder going forward.
I cannot imagine Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas A&M, etc being ok with that. That would be insane. Now, perhaps I could see the SEC doing away with conference deals and allowing everyone to negotiate on their own. I cant see Texas signing up to get the same revenue as Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, and South Carolina. They print money in Austin.
Maybe you’re right. Perhaps they did the math and the SEC money would be greater than Big XII + LHN money.
Another idea I read yesterday: what if the SEC Network absorbed LHN and became SEC2? Could be a way that makes everyone happy if it means Texas keeps the extra revenue stream coming in and everyone else gets a “slice of the pie,” although it would no longer be Longhorn-centric.
Yes, SEC 💰 without LHN will be more than Big 12 + LHN money but is it simply ALL just about money for Texas football? They already have the richest program in the country. They'd jump ship for a couple million more per year? Would it be $10 million more? Would that be worth giving up your network and having an impossible/no path to the CFP?
In the ACC, they can keep LHN, play in major East Coast markets, play ND, and still make all the money they need to field a team that can make the CFP....and isnt that what this is all about?
Also, turning LHN into SECN2 is unfortunately something that will come up in blogs a million times but will never happen. What's the point? It isnt needed and if LHN is gone its not like Texas will be content with it being SECN2, in which they get a 1/16 share
He lost me at “outside the box plan”. As if he’s ever had a plan that wasn’t.
SMF invented the Cobb Salad. (Any Larry David fan will appreciate the reference).
How’s this for an outside the box plan. Since DeAndre Hopkins is a Clemson alum, let’s have the ACC commish grant him eligibility to come back and play for Clemson since he’s questioning his own NFL career due to not wanting to be vaccinated.
Texas 7 game ACC schedule vs Texas 9 game SEC schedule
Lets say 2 cupcakes in each, so down to 10 games.
Lets say OU and A&M (eventually) in each so down to 8 games.
ACC: ND vs SEC: Bama
ACC: Clem/FSU/Miami (play each team every 3 years vs SEC: LSU
ACC: Syr vs SEC: Mississippi
ACC: BC vs SEC: Miss St
Last 4 games
ACC: play 4 teams every 3 years (Pitt, Lou, UVa, VT, UNC, NCSt, Wake, Duke, GT) vs Ark, Auburn, 2 SEC East
Texas would also have 1 extra OOC game left given a 7 game ACC schedule to play another big name team (or Texas Tech).
If we say the ND/Bama game is comparable and the LSU/Clem/FSU/Miami game is comparable, you are left with the lesser SEC programs vs the lesser ACC programs. No doubt the SEC is better here, but do you give up LHN so you can play Auburn, Arkansas, Miss, Miss St, Vandy, and South Carolina instead of VT, Lou, Pitt, GT, Syr, and BC?
My pitch to Texas would be to play on their ego. You are a national brand. You are Notre Dame football, Duke Basketball, the Yankees, the Cowboys (who BTW play in the NFC East). You're not an equal to Mississippi and Vanderbilt. Come to the ACC, keep LHN and expand your brand into some of the nation's major media markets.
Lets say 2 cupcakes in each, so down to 10 games.
Lets say OU and A&M (eventually) in each so down to 8 games.
ACC: ND vs SEC: Bama
ACC: Clem/FSU/Miami (play each team every 3 years vs SEC: LSU
ACC: Syr vs SEC: Mississippi
ACC: BC vs SEC: Miss St
Last 4 games
ACC: play 4 teams every 3 years (Pitt, Lou, UVa, VT, UNC, NCSt, Wake, Duke, GT) vs Ark, Auburn, 2 SEC East
Texas would also have 1 extra OOC game left given a 7 game ACC schedule to play another big name team (or Texas Tech).
If we say the ND/Bama game is comparable and the LSU/Clem/FSU/Miami game is comparable, you are left with the lesser SEC programs vs the lesser ACC programs. No doubt the SEC is better here, but do you give up LHN so you can play Auburn, Arkansas, Miss, Miss St, Vandy, and South Carolina instead of VT, Lou, Pitt, GT, Syr, and BC?
My pitch to Texas would be to play on their ego. You are a national brand. You are Notre Dame football, Duke Basketball, the Yankees, the Cowboys (who BTW play in the NFC East). You're not an equal to Mississippi and Vanderbilt. Come to the ACC, keep LHN and expand your brand into some of the nation's major media markets.
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Why is anyone concerned with taking care of Texas and allowing them to make even more money than they already do. Stuff like this degrades college sports, especially from the rivalry aspect. It’s gonna be awesome for these non revenue sports to have to increase their budgets to travel halfway across the country. It won’t happen, but would actually love to see Texas come away with no suitors after this.
The real question here is and remains
Why would/should Pitt, BC, Syracuse, NC ... etc be okay with giving Texas & ND (NBC & LHN) millions of dollars more than them? You’re okay with it, but I’m willing to say that they are NOT.
This is the reality of real life and how college sports work. The strong survive and get to call the shots.
Oh I know that's the reality of it. It also takes away what makes college football special.
Texas brought in 219m in 2019. They need more money? What is Pitt’s revenue, 60m? Maybe?
But they are unhappy, they need more do they will leave and cause major turmoil because 219million annual revenue is just not acceptable.
Thankfully they got a 130 million dollar gift for their new basketball arena, could you imagine those poor kids having to play in a non state of the art venue?
College football just can’t get out of its own way.
But they are unhappy, they need more do they will leave and cause major turmoil because 219million annual revenue is just not acceptable.
Thankfully they got a 130 million dollar gift for their new basketball arena, could you imagine those poor kids having to play in a non state of the art venue?
College football just can’t get out of its own way.
Well, surely Pitt, BC, Syr, Wake, etc would be doing cartwheels to give Texas and ND more money to solidify the ACC forever, there's no question about that. They are the ones who may get left behind if there are 3 megaconferences. Would Clemson/FSU be agreeable to this? Its kinda hard to think they would be but perhaps you work them in somehow. You have to find a way to keep everyone happy or at least content. Would Clemson and FSU be happier making less money in an ACC where ND and Texas get preferential treatment or would they rather get an equal share in a northern midwest league where Ohio State calls the shots.
WOW wasn't expecting such a socialist's stance from you. Now if your point is college football will fall on its own weight then sorry for misinterpreting and I will agree with that statement.
In the near future- the top dogs of each conference will get a higher % of the money. The ACC might as well get out in front if it means bringing in a team with a National Brand.
Remember, this is a non-profit entity we are talking about.
I do agree, however, this CANT be just about money for Texas. They print it. They will go to the best situation. Money will be a factor but I think the ACC is in a really unique position to help them grow their brand. Do they really want to continue to be a "southern school?" As ND says, they are already play 7 games in the Midwest/B10 footprint. They dont want more than that as they see themselves as a national program. Texas could have a schedule in the ACC where they are playing 7 games in Texas but also Boston, Miami, North Carolina, and Chicagoland (ND).
I already posted this in the other thread, but they aren't coming to the ACC. The ACC did try, though.
Wow, that escalated quickly. From crazy rumor to starting the process to join the SEC, all within a week.
Good to see the ACC at least tried. Now they have to turn their focus on keeping their own league in tact because the Big Ten will be coming soon....like within days/weeks.
I cannot fathom the amount of activity that is going on in Chicago and Columbus after these last few days.
I truly believe the reports that this has been in the works with SEC for many months and I think everyone is shocked....incl the other SEC programs.
Many believe that conference format will be around for another 15 years but concede that it’ll go away at some point.
There’s no way it’s 15 years. It might not be 5.
I truly believe the reports that this has been in the works with SEC for many months and I think everyone is shocked....incl the other SEC programs.
Many believe that conference format will be around for another 15 years but concede that it’ll go away at some point.
There’s no way it’s 15 years. It might not be 5.
I can't stand all of this conference expansion and I think they should blow up college football and stick with strictly regional conferences for short travel and to maintain rivalries, but since that isn't how the game is played the ACC does need to be proactive at this point. The last thing you want to do is get left behind or decimated by the Big 10.
The only school that would move the needle that is even a possibility is Notre Dame. ACC isn't stealing an SEC or Big Ten school, so for it to actually make sense 1 of the 2 teams would have to be Notre Dame.
So you’re concerned that Pitt gets left out?
Have you visit any teams free board to ask them if their interested in giving up millions of dollars to rich brands just so Syracuse, BC, Pitt etc are guaranteed a seat at the table?
While it’s a discussion board, it’s easy to see you weren’t a business major in college.
I take it you would be a no-vote on Texas/ND. You'd also be the only one. This is college sports. Capitalism at its finest.
Texas as we are learning was never realistic. Yes I’m all for ND but your worried about the ACC getting picked a part. Obviously you didn’t listen to Jim Phillips on Wednesday. ACC schools can’t get out until 2036 or the penalty is crippling.
I would like you to talk to folks from Maryland. They lost their ass leaving, they borrowed against future money to buy their way out. Only to be treated like a bastard child by the other B1G teams. Doubtful that if they had it to do over they would.
Actually the reason that Texas might join the SEC is because they know that the Longhorn Network gravy train will not continue running when the current contract is up.
The Longhorn Network has made Texas a boatload of money. The Longhorn Network hasn't really made ESPN any money. It is possible at this point that it has been a net money loser for ESPN. No one is going to offer Texas that same sweetheart deal when the current contract runs out. Now that contract still has a ways to go, but my guess is that the people at Texas are smart enough to want to get in front of this, not wait until it might be too late.
this is what i dont get. less than 20% of the country even gives a crap about the sec. cfb is regional. i cant think of more than 2 or 3 sec games that i have watched from open to close in the last 20 years. go west of Louisiana and tell me what states watch the sec and hang on their edge of their seat for it? i think we will see espn get hurt financially by this deal as they are over estimating who cares about an sec game between Mississippi and Mississippi state or those incredible georgia vanderbilt games.
I don't live in an SEC state, but I would watch a random SEC game 100 out of 100 times before a random Big 10, PAC or Big Xll game.
i dont know that i disagree but how often do you and others do that outside of an occasional conf championship or top 10 match up? people wont abandon watching their own school just for sec dominated programming especially when only 10% of their games can justfy a BIG game. they are over prioritizing themselves and probably run a much higher risk of pissing tge country off to the point they pursposfully dont watch
Or I’d choose option 3 and turn the tv off and do something if interest. Yeah, a random sec game is more attractive than a random pac 10 game but again, 99% of us would watch neither.
That LSU vs Bama regular season game a few seasons ago, yes I watched that. A random Saturday Auburn vs Florida game, only if I exhausted all other options of doing something else. Now in all fairness, 15 years ago I would have watched Miss St vs Vandy I was that much of a junkie. But the game and "gala" along with my priorities have changed, and I no longer do that.
This is why people are watching less and less. There’s more options for “couch potatoes” with streaming, internet, etc....and that doesn’t even include the people who would hunt, fish, hike, ski, shop, party, hang with family, work, etc.
