Not likely though. He was the one bright spot in a dismal season in my opinion. He actually played his best basketball in ACC play and got better as the year went on. He'll be the only one of our freshmen that will have his choice of high major schools. When you're in the top 2 of 3 ACC categories for shooting and only a freshman, every high major school in the country wants you. Not to mention being a High caliber person and A student. Hope I'm wrong but that kid is gone.
If Stallings is axed hope Stewart stays!
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i don't think we'll see the core 4 ( Carr, Stewart, Stevenson, Brown)move regardless what happens, unless there is a new coach, and he is a straight up Dick. I also think Davis is staying as well.
With one major exception to that: I can see Stewart leaving if Hurley comes in. As much crap as people gives Stallings for the way he interacts with Players, Hurley can be downright brutal at times. I don't think that would mesh well with him.
With one major exception to that: I can see Stewart leaving if Hurley comes in. As much crap as people gives Stallings for the way he interacts with Players, Hurley can be downright brutal at times. I don't think that would mesh well with him.
Even if Stallings is kept he could leave. Assuming there is a coaching change whether he stays will depend on who the new coach is. If we land a charismatic new guy he may very well stay.
Agreed, you never know, the teams seems to be close knit and I would think the new coach would recruit the current productive players hard. As mentioned if you treat the group with respect you could get them to stick together, regrettably this took too much class for Stallings to pull off, IMO.
Most of these players best offers came from Pitt and if there’s a new coach no one on here has a clue as to who he will be and who will stay and who will go . The guys at the bottom of the roster are the only exception as to who will most likely go . Why sit out a year if your playing here ? Maybe the core freshman have bonded and want to stay together , they like going to school at Pitt ,they have a girlfriend who knows . Let’s worry about it when decisions are announced .
You're absolutely right. No way that kid's dad is going to let his son be part of a goat rodeo during a a new head coaching search.
We have bigger problems than concern over whether anyone on this roster will leave if the HC is axed....not worth worrying about.
Good point. I think Brown and Stewart are roommates as well. Remember hearing that in one of Stewart"s press conference's.
Any one on the current roster who would transfer would only be doing it because the other kids a new coach is bringing in are better. So, Bon Voyage if that is the case.
I beg to differ. Stewart had the most prolific shooting season of ANY freshman in Pitt history. It took someone 26 years to break Sean Miller's records. So even if Stewart is a one trick pony (he's not), you'll have to find someone to do his trick better than he does it. We lucked out on Stewart. If he leaves, it'll be for a better program and a high level P6. It won't be because a new coach found a better shooter!
Those who think Stewart, or any of the other core freshmen, is leaving if Stallings stays know absolutely nothing about the program and what's happening on the inside. EVERY core freshmen is talking about leaving if Stallings is fired. Whether they will or not is another matter. Players always think that's what they'll do if a coach is fired, but when push comes to shove, who knows? Depends on who the new coach is, whether they believe they're still wanted, lots of variables. But they love Stallings and love playing for him. I can't put it any more succinctly than that.
And you don't have to believe me, you can see what Dokish is saying about it, Craig Meyer, lots of others. Terrell Brown said so in the presser yesterday publicly. Bryce Golden and Danya Kingsby went to Twitter last night to express their support.
And of all the core freshmen, the most likely to leave if Stallings is fired is Stewart. Not only is Stewart close to Stallings, he's very close to Sutton.
And you don't have to believe me, you can see what Dokish is saying about it, Craig Meyer, lots of others. Terrell Brown said so in the presser yesterday publicly. Bryce Golden and Danya Kingsby went to Twitter last night to express their support.
And of all the core freshmen, the most likely to leave if Stallings is fired is Stewart. Not only is Stewart close to Stallings, he's very close to Sutton.
As Pirates management told Ralph Kiner when he threatened to hold out in the 1950's after leading the National League in HR's, "Son, we finished last with you. We can finish last without you."
To be honest, there is NOBODY on this roster who is not expendable. Depending upon the style the next coach runs, Stewart could be very expendable. He's an oustanding shooter but athletically limited, which is why his ranking was so low.
The entire roster, with few exceptions is not very athletic. Somebody who stresses pressure defense might well clean house.
When Howland came here, Knight, Page, Jaron Brown and others wanted to transfer through most of the first season. We had reports from fellow students who lived in their dorms and ate meals with them that transfers were imminent repeatedly for weeks.
For most of the current roster, the issue may not be if a player WANTS to transfer but rather will ANYONE take him?
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Stewart was my favorite player and I see Brown as having some very good potential, but I agree totally with the last sentence of your post.
They don't fit a coach that plays an athletic style, and I must admit that I would rather have a coach that is going to institute that kind of style.
On defense, I want a team that comes after you for a change. On offense, I would like to see some dribble, drive.
You’re confusing me here Gary, seems like you’re agreeing with both of 2 opposing views.
I think he's agreeing with me that the kids support Stallings and want to transfer if he's fired.
And I think he's agreeing with the other poster that the players' options for transferring may be limited.
I don't think that's true for Carr and Stewart. I think both of them can, and should, land at a P5, and that's been consistently discussed by the various commentators who've broadcast Pitt games. Brown and Stevenson, depends on what holes a coach has on his roster and his philosophy of development. Davis likely doesn't land at a P5. I think for Stewart, even though I think he's a P5 player, he could wind up somewhere based more on fit and feel. That's important to him, so he could wind up mid-major on account of that and not on the basis of his ability.
And I think he's agreeing with the other poster that the players' options for transferring may be limited.
I don't think that's true for Carr and Stewart. I think both of them can, and should, land at a P5, and that's been consistently discussed by the various commentators who've broadcast Pitt games. Brown and Stevenson, depends on what holes a coach has on his roster and his philosophy of development. Davis likely doesn't land at a P5. I think for Stewart, even though I think he's a P5 player, he could wind up somewhere based more on fit and feel. That's important to him, so he could wind up mid-major on account of that and not on the basis of his ability.
Sorry - I agree with 72: Stewart is a (current) core freshman and that he likely leaves if Stallings is fired AND I agree with Harve: If a new coach plays an athletic style, Stewart could be a bad fit and in that instance, would definitely be replaceable.
I see Harve edited his post.
I believe all of Carr, Stewart, Frame, Stevenson and Brown if they transfer, have the ability to play at a P5 school.
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Look I hope Stewart stays and in all honesty could care less if anybody else does. But 1st priority is getting rid of Stallings and bringing in a solid guy that can recruit and get this program back on track. Keep Luther if he qualifies for a medical hardship, try your best to keep Stewart and to a lesser extent Brown, Stephenson, JWF and Carr(even though he was such a disappointment). If they decide to leave wish 'em well and move on. But Stewart to me is the priority.
Ok, makes sense. My opinion, I think Harve is a little harsh and underselling a number of these guys when he questions whether anyone will take them. I think that’s a little Harve bias talking there.
In any event, I think the most accurate thing stated herein is your comment that many players initially think they’ll transfer if their coach is fired, when push comes to shove, who knows what they’ll end up doing. Too many unknowns, the obvious one being who the new coach will be.
Yes to sentence one - I believe the players want Stallings to stay
No to sentence two - I believe the core players are good enough to play at other P5 schools(IF they select the right fit).
I don't think Stewart would come close to having his choice of high major schools. He would have choices, but they would be below average P6 schools, who are probably in very similar situations as Pitt. His ceiling is extremely limited and he has lost a year of eligibility and would have to sit out next season. He is a very low reward option. A Stewart as a grad transfer would be very valuable as a late addition.
The other players would have practically no P6 options.
What is his other "trick"?
Ok, ANYONE is an exageration. But, I wouldn't say I was harsh, just realistic. These guys lost 19 conference games in a row on merit. They just aren't very good yet. Some of them may never be.
I'll agree on Carr and Brown. PG and post - positions any body with a pulse will get a chance a lot of places. And, a redshirt year might really benefit both of them.
Stewart is a fine shooter but other than as a zone breaker, I'm not sold he is more than a role player in P-5. Unlike Cam Johnson, he's not 6-8 and doesn't have even average athleticism, handle and quickness. Defensively, he's always gonna be a liability. Probably he gets transfer offers but I'm not sure there are a lot of places in P-5 where he gets 26 minutes a game and freedom to hoist 173 treys.
Stevenson has his moments. He's a tweener, not enough size for the 4 in P-5 (at least in, say, the top half of most P-5 rosters/leagues. He needs to develop his game to play on the wing. Has athleticism and aggression but is not very fast and still raw. D-1 player, yeah. P-5, maybe. Maybe not.
As a rising senior, has Frame-Wilson shown enough for a P-5 school to tie up 2 years of scholarship for one year of playing time, assuming he even has a redshirt year to use to sit out as a transfer? If he were a 1 year grad transfer rental, yeah, sure, but 2 years for 1, I don't think so.
Other than those 5, the rest are guys who might have to go down a level or prove themselves at a juco. Davis? Possible 3 and D guy but his offense disappeared after the ACC competition stiffened. Chewy, Peace, George? D-2 or lower mid-major is more likely. Samson doesn't have a redshirt year. Chewy has used his Juco years. Peace got worse as the season went on and fell out of the rotation on one of the worst 100 teams in D-1.
I know we like these kids because they're OURS. We've seen them play fairly hard and not quit thru a tough season. But probably not for much longer. To get to .500 in the ACC, we need several guys BETTER than anyone we have. Changing 11 guys at one time never works. Keeping most of the top 5 and maybe one or 2 of the bottom 4 might be better. Voluntary transfers are always better than pushing kids out and we need open slots for upgrades.
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The only advantage Johnson has over Stewart if that, is his height.Johnson has no quickness or handle either.And a liability on d as well.They look to me as the same type of player.A role player on a good team.
I’m the one that called your first post harsh so I’ll offer a reply. First off your overall tone in this 2nd post is a good bit different. In the first you said they were all expendable and questioned if any other school would want them if any of them wanted to transfer. In this one you’re at least expressing some level of appeal for a number of them.
Brown and Carr, not much to debate there.
Stewart I think you’re still undervaluing. I don’t care how un-athletic he is, in today’s game that emphasizes the 3-ptr more and more and by more and more schools, I’ll take someone like him that’s shown he can get his shot off quick enough and knock them down at a good clip over someone more athletic that can’t. I’ve seen enough athletic JJ Moore’s, Durand Johnson’s and others that were so much more athletic but nowhere near as effective. I think a number of schools would agree and if he continues to show he can knock down the 3 at a good clip, they’ll get him his 173 Trey attempts.
I agree with a good bit of what you say about Stevenson, particularly the tweener part. But while he was small, slow, he had an uncanny ability to drive and successfully get to the basket. I can see him being able to improve on that to reduce the turnovers and hopefully get more favorable calls from the refs because as a no-name freshman he very seldom had any borderline calls go his way.
Great post, Harve. I agree with every word. There is NO ONE on this roster that can’t be replaced. Stewart is a good kid and he can shoot, but is limited defensively and athletically. On most teams, that is a reserve on the bench. I could see a good coach helping him, though. I’d wish him well if he transfers but it wouldn’t hurt that much. He can be replaced. So can the rest of the team. I’d hope Carr and Brown at least consider staying, but same as Stewart. Good luck to them.
There just aren’t that many, if any, ACC level starters on this team. Maybe a couple of bench reserved. And incoming guys are iffy or less. Their talent levels for ACC play are indeterminate. They’re certainly not impact or slam dunk players.
Now we just wait. Whatever we are seeing today, it will be different within the next couple of weeks, no matter what decision is made.
Well, you are entitled to your opinion. A lot of scouts have been quoted with different thoughts. I believe Johnson is significantly better physically in several areas.
We'll see what interest Stewart draws if he goes on the market and whether Johnson is drafted or comes back for another year at UNC.
Nobody had to go to zone to hide Johnson on defense. His DRtg is better. His steals are higher. As a true freshman, Stewart can improve but he's unlikely to get faster or more athletic.
We'll see what interest Stewart draws if he goes on the market and whether Johnson is drafted or comes back for another year at UNC.
Nobody had to go to zone to hide Johnson on defense. His DRtg is better. His steals are higher. As a true freshman, Stewart can improve but he's unlikely to get faster or more athletic.
I think people are overvaluing Stewart simply because until JWF got hot late in the season, Stewart was our only scorer.
The offensive design ( and lack of defense) played perfectly for Stewart. I just don't think he would be as effective in a more structured offense that also required him to defend anyone.
Over the years, there have been any number of pure shooters who really couldn't do anything else. On most Pitt teams I think Stewart is just another one of those. This team simply had so few competent guards that he had to play and get shots by default.
I could be wrong.
But, I still do think anyone on this roster is expendable if the requirement is to keep Stallings too.
I’ve learned through the years on this earth that we are all expendable. There is no such thing as irreplaceable. As much as I’d hate to lose Stewart and possibly Carr and Brown, they can and will be replaced, likely by better players if we get the right coach. None of them know how to play defense and are limited athletically in the ACC.
Let’s just wait and see if Luke has the guts to do the right thing. She’s replaceable too.
Let’s just wait and see if Luke has the guts to do the right thing. She’s replaceable too.
