The 20 game hurdle is a bogus stat, since most of those wins came out of conference against incredibly weak competition. The better judge is to look at Pitt's conference record the last three years which is a mediocre 28-26. The evidence shows Jamie is a .500 coach in the ACC.
I'm sorry Jamie lovers, but it's time for change...
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The 20 game hurdle is a bogus stat, since most of those wins came out of conference against incredibly weak competition. The better judge is to look at Pitt's conference record the last three years which is a mediocre 28-26. The evidence shows Jamie is a .500 coach in the ACC.
I have been a Dixon defender since I joined this board, and believe it or not, I still am. Here is why: He pours all he has into coaching these guys. I also believe that he knows how to coach and get the best out of his guys, although, many could question that point lately. This team has been an enigma, and has presented him with a challenge even to daunting for him.
The high point for this team was probably six years ago, and we have been sliding since. There are several key reasons for this, chief among them are recruiting failures and the move from the Big East to the ACC. Jamie tried to recruit better players that play a different style than our best teams played, hoping to land guys that would play an "ACC" brand of basketball. That philosophy has put us where we are now.
I would argue that we are at the bottom of the cycle right now. One thing I know from the stock maket is not to panic when at the bottom. What gives me hope are Kithcart and Manigault and the fact that Jamie is looking to return to the formula that built this team. That said recruiting must continue to improve. We really have only one player, who possesses better than average talent, and that is Mike. Most of our other players were plan B and C recruits. That is why we have all the struggles.
I do realize that Jamie is responsible for these recruits and the 3 desperation grad. tranfers. We should not have gotten to this point, but here we are. There is no longer room for misidentifying players. Jamie has to get on guys that are good players and players that he has a real shot to land. While I have already mentioned the two for next year, we have to keep it going. I think that at least one if not more of the staff should be let go, and we have to get Jamie an "Ace" recruitor. Look, there are plenty of good players out there that don't all go to the top ten programs, we just need to get our share.
Jamie needs two put back to back classes together. If we make changes and still fail recruiting, then my thesis about us being at the bottom will not be true. At that point, I will admit that he should go, but something tells me that with a couple good classes we will be back to the Pitt team that we are all expecting.
If he can find just one quality shooting guard from anywhere in the world and get him to Pitt our fortunes could change really quickly. I remain hopeful, and I hope many of you will to, as I do understand your frustrations.
The high point for this team was probably six years ago, and we have been sliding since. There are several key reasons for this, chief among them are recruiting failures and the move from the Big East to the ACC. Jamie tried to recruit better players that play a different style than our best teams played, hoping to land guys that would play an "ACC" brand of basketball. That philosophy has put us where we are now.
I would argue that we are at the bottom of the cycle right now. One thing I know from the stock maket is not to panic when at the bottom. What gives me hope are Kithcart and Manigault and the fact that Jamie is looking to return to the formula that built this team. That said recruiting must continue to improve. We really have only one player, who possesses better than average talent, and that is Mike. Most of our other players were plan B and C recruits. That is why we have all the struggles.
I do realize that Jamie is responsible for these recruits and the 3 desperation grad. tranfers. We should not have gotten to this point, but here we are. There is no longer room for misidentifying players. Jamie has to get on guys that are good players and players that he has a real shot to land. While I have already mentioned the two for next year, we have to keep it going. I think that at least one if not more of the staff should be let go, and we have to get Jamie an "Ace" recruitor. Look, there are plenty of good players out there that don't all go to the top ten programs, we just need to get our share.
Jamie needs two put back to back classes together. If we make changes and still fail recruiting, then my thesis about us being at the bottom will not be true. At that point, I will admit that he should go, but something tells me that with a couple good classes we will be back to the Pitt team that we are all expecting.
If he can find just one quality shooting guard from anywhere in the world and get him to Pitt our fortunes could change really quickly. I remain hopeful, and I hope many of you will to, as I do understand your frustrations.
Good post "88" ..... I think Jamie will get at least 2 more years to try and "rebuild" the program and I hope he is successful ...... I don't think his success or failure will be tied so much to his coaching ability as it will be to his recruiting ability ..... let's hope for the best !
Plus, it would have been kind of weird if Pitt had hired a second AD in time to fire the first one.
They did the calculus and the buyout for Pauly neatly allowed a painless solution for removing the Pederson boil and left some change.
Unfortunately, this contract is totally unmanageable. I'm not knocking Dixon either. He has zero incentive to start over anywhere else. With an eight figure buyout, he's one of those executives that essentially can't be managed. More power to Coach by the way.
Good point ..... the money Pitt received from Chyrst leaving did offset the Pederson buyout.
Dixon's contract has a reduction clause that kicks in if he accepts employment in his profession-i.e. If his salary continuation is $2.75 million and he gets a job coaching Our Lady of Mediocrity for $750K, then Pitt pays him the difference or $2million. His ego will not allow him to sit,so there will be some reduction in the salary "guarantee." Even the most ardent Dixon apologist has to accept how far the program has fallen since 2009.. We used to challenge for conference championships and a high seed in the NCAA. Now-20plus wins against an unattractive nonconf schedule AND mediocrity in the conference AND FIGHTING TO BE THE 62,63 or 64th team in the US is viewed as acceptable. I am betting on that NOT being the case with the new administration. Dixon is out next year if not sooner!! And, he should be --at what we are paying him. This level of continued performance is unacceptable. Period.
Sure
But don't you find it ironic you we using the program height that Dixon achieved as the comparison for falling after he elevated us?
Just saying
Definitely agree, his ability to recruit or lack thereof will seal his fate. That is why I think he needs at least one guy he can count on to bring in the type of players we are missing. I hope after pulling his hair out with this current team and its makeup, that he will see the need to make changes so that he doesn't get stuck in this position again.
ACC record. We have only been in the ACC three years. If you want to take the last 5 years, he is 45-45 in conference play (17-19 last two years in the big east).
No doubt Dixon had some great records when he started at Pitt. The last five years show him to be an average coach in conference play.
1. You get a reasonable "pass" from being held to the heights of 2009;, but not a permenant one. It's 2016! We are mired now in mediocrity. Enough. It's time to take your tens of $millions and move on.
2. Sports fans, except the few who see the world through blue and gold lenses, have already started moving on if you didn't notice. Pay him and let's move one. It was a decent ride; but, it's over.
2. Sports fans, except the few who see the world through blue and gold lenses, have already started moving on if you didn't notice. Pay him and let's move one. It was a decent ride; but, it's over.
I said last week if this team collapsed two years in a row again under Dixon's watch after being safely in then yes his job should definitely start to be in jeopardy. And it looks like another collapse is imminent. I definitely thought after the Duke game Pitt would get at least one of these final two games. I didnt think they would drop both of them. The bottom line is this teams shooting is just horrific. Not hitting one three yesterday is just inexcusable.
There's a lot to be said for being bubble-licious! Keeps our collective heads on straight and reminds us of our humble history as a hoops program.
Get used to it.
Jamie is too expensive to fire and ain't nobody gonna hire him away.
He's like the CEOs incompetent nephew that everyone works around at the office.
The other "wins" were against nobody's.
Arkansas State, give me a break.
Jamie is too expensive to fire and ain't nobody gonna hire him away.
He's like the CEOs incompetent nephew that everyone works around at the office.
Pitt only won 10 games this year.
The other "wins" were against nobody's.
Arkansas State, give me a break.
They have a middle of the road non conference schedule and rpi. It's comparable to major top 25 teams. Very few major conference teams go out and fill up their non conference schedule with trips to basketball powerhouses. The mid majors do that because they have to because their conference is loaded with crappy teams. Almost the entire ACC is top 100 rpi. Mix in a game against Gonzaga and Purdue and you have a typical schedule not like any other power conference team. You have to have wins against teams that are competitive most of the year but it doesn't mean you load up the schedule with all blue bloods when you have multiple powerhouse programs in your own conference.
I'm just saying ...
We could be bc.
Nobody is happy about the current state ... And again we controlled our our destiny and failed. But people are exaggerating the current state.
No need to panic and replace Dixon now.
There's still a lot of downside left!
I say retain Dixon for the remainder of his contract so the PITT basketball brand is totally destroyed.
There's no much evidence of a recovery, but lets give it another 5 years or so who knows?
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Who has actually posted that he or she loved Jamie? Why can't anyone answer that? Why do people often have to resort to hyperbole if there is actual factual data to use? Hyperbole usually indicates to me a person who has a weak argument, has low intelligence, or both.
It was. Pederson's buyout was NOT annual salary × years left on contract. Just like Dixon's isnt. Dixon's is probably $8-10 million.
Get your Arkansas straight, we didn't play Arkansas State, we played the University of Central Arkansas Bears.
If that's Dixon's buyout lets get real comfortable with him for the remainder of his contract.
We couldn't run enough garage sales, flea markets or pass the hat events at the Pete to accumulate that kind of money!
I find it hard to believe U's offer contracts of that length. Go with five year contracts and renew on good performance rather than lock in to a ten year. Lots of things can happen in ten years like the move to the ACC which is my mind was the beginning of the end for Jamie. With a five year, given his performance, PITT would be holding the cars.
I find that people who use a supposed derogatory term like Jamie lover lack the intellect to make a reasonable point
Come on, don't be a bozo. There is a huge gap between where we are and where they are. We have been trending flat the last few years, not down, just on the verge of March Madness. We are a couple of players away, not a blow up the entire program away.
Yes - I was there with 3-4K other people. Probably being generous on the count. Remember it well.Get your Arkansas straight, we didn't play Arkansas State, we played the University of Central Arkansas Bears.
Wow Kiwi, if you consider NIT's & CBI's trending flat then you clearly need to raise your standards a tad. We are most certainly trending on a downward plane.
If you go to the NIT three years in a row, that is flat. It's not our peak, but it isn't trending down either, it has plateaued in a valley. I don't think you know what the term downward plane means. If this is our low point, and we bounce back, you guys got your panties in a bunch for nothing.
hey, if we actually make the tourney this year, we are trending up, right? That would be two out of three years. We will be Duke and UNC at that rate, using your logic.
