It’s 100% clear now...Narduzzi has regressed the program

[H2P 2003]

Narduzzi’s first two years were his best 2, especially 2016. He went 8-5 each year against a much more difficult schedule, especially in the ACC. That 2016 schedule was brutal, and I think this team would struggle to have 4 wins against that type of competition.

After those two years when he started to get his players in the system he has gone 5-7, 7-7, and so far 7-4...the alarming thing though is the schedule has gotten progressively weaker, and this year is really bad especially on the ACC side. Yes, 7-4 on paper looks good, but you throw pitt in the big 12 or big ten and likely they are a .500 team at best.

also, when you break down this year, they have struggled mightily to beat bad teams. They nearly lost to Delaware. They struggled with Ohio. They struggled with Syracuse, Duke, and GT, and were lucky to win all 3 especially the duke game. They lost to a BAD Miami team. Overall we have been outscored.

You judge the coach on the quality of his teams, and in year 5 his teams are getting worse than what he inherited and started with.

The program is going backwards, and you can’t really deny it.

 

[Parkview57]

Unless you consider that Penn State and Miami "were lucky to win" against Pitt and Virginia "was lucky" to play a team in its first game of a great offensive rebuild.

I suggest to let the season play out and if Pitt is at 7-6 then you have your undeniable regression, IMHO

 

[Cap pitt]

Narduzzi’s first two years were his best 2, especially 2016. He went 8-5 each year against a much more difficult schedule, especially in the ACC. That 2016 schedule was brutal, and I think this team would struggle to have 4 wins against that type of competition.

After those two years when he started to get his players in the system he has gone 5-7, 7-7, and so far 7-4...the alarming thing though is the schedule has gotten progressively weaker, and this year is really bad especially on the ACC side. Yes, 7-4 on paper looks good, but you throw pitt in the big 12 or big ten and likely they are a .500 team at best.

also, when you break down this year, they have struggled mightily to beat bad teams. They nearly lost to Delaware. They struggled with Ohio. They struggled with Syracuse, Duke, and GT, and were lucky to win all 3 especially the duke game. They lost to a BAD Miami team. Overall we have been outscored.

You judge the coach on the quality of his teams, and in year 5 his teams are getting worse than what he inherited and started with.

The program is going backwards, and you can’t really deny it.

Yes you can deny it, that's a stupid statement. Now, whipple on the other hand is not doing his job, 11 games in and there is regression, the only blame on Narduzzi is the fact that he hired whipple, the offensive side of the ball is horrible and has been all year. Where is Canada? And not the country

 

[H2P 2003]

Yes you can deny it, that's a stupid statement. Now, whipple on the other hand is not doing his job, 11 games in and there is regression, the only blame on Narduzzi is the fact that he hired whipple, the offensive side of the ball is horrible and has been all year. Where is Canada? And not the country

The offense hasn’t been great for three years now. It was ok last year, with a very good running game but we couldn’t pass. Two years ago was dreadful. This year is once again awful.

the ultimate overall problem is Narduzzi not recruiting well enough on offense.

 

[Jakey_John]

It’s more stagnant than regressed. Both scenarios bring on the same problems though.

 

[PittFamily2]

The PITT football program hasn't regressed it just hasn't moved forward IMO.
Its about where it was in 2010 when PITT was 8-5, 6-2 in the BE conference same as UCONN 6-2 who won the conference.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

It's always said you're either getting better or you're getting worse. I'm tempted to say we're treading water and stagnant, but there is no such thing. At this time, we're getting worse. And if we lose to BC, which is a high probability, then we are definitely regressing. We'll be looking at a 7-6 season and that is pathetic.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Yes you can deny it, that's a stupid statement. Now, whipple on the other hand is not doing his job, 11 games in and there is regression, the only blame on Narduzzi is the fact that he hired whipple, the offensive side of the ball is horrible and has been all year. Where is Canada? And not the country

And there is so little talent on offense

 

[303vND]

And there is so little talent on offense

So little that its painful to watch!

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Not regressed, just shifted balance from offense to defense. I still think this d can get better over the next few years at which point we are better. But definitely need a plan to improve on offense. Building the line should be priority one. Just no running game or protection

 

[pittdan77]

Narduzzi’s first two years were his best 2, especially 2016. He went 8-5 each year against a much more difficult schedule, especially in the ACC. That 2016 schedule was brutal, and I think this team would struggle to have 4 wins against that type of competition.

After those two years when he started to get his players in the system he has gone 5-7, 7-7, and so far 7-4...the alarming thing though is the schedule has gotten progressively weaker, and this year is really bad especially on the ACC side. Yes, 7-4 on paper looks good, but you throw pitt in the big 12 or big ten and likely they are a .500 team at best.

also, when you break down this year, they have struggled mightily to beat bad teams. They nearly lost to Delaware. They struggled with Ohio. They struggled with Syracuse, Duke, and GT, and were lucky to win all 3 especially the duke game. They lost to a BAD Miami team. Overall we have been outscored.

You judge the coach on the quality of his teams, and in year 5 his teams are getting worse than what he inherited and started with.

The program is going backwards, and you can’t really deny it.

Okay. You’re the person in charge at Pitt this morning. What are you doing to fix this?

 

[HailToPitt725]

Question: Are we still having this conversation if we finish 9-4? Is the program still regressing then?

I think everyone should just relax and let things play out.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Question: Are we still having this conversation if we finish 9-4? Is the program still regressing then?

I think everyone should just relax and let things play out.

The dope OP will still parrot the same thing, even though he predicted a 4 win season. Apparently Narduzzi kicked his dog or stole his girlfriend.

 

[joeydavid]

Narduzzi’s first two years were his best 2, especially 2016. He went 8-5 each year against a much more difficult schedule, especially in the ACC. That 2016 schedule was brutal, and I think this team would struggle to have 4 wins against that type of competition.

After those two years when he started to get his players in the system he has gone 5-7, 7-7, and so far 7-4...the alarming thing though is the schedule has gotten progressively weaker, and this year is really bad especially on the ACC side. Yes, 7-4 on paper looks good, but you throw pitt in the big 12 or big ten and likely they are a .500 team at best.

also, when you break down this year, they have struggled mightily to beat bad teams. They nearly lost to Delaware. They struggled with Ohio. They struggled with Syracuse, Duke, and GT, and were lucky to win all 3 especially the duke game. They lost to a BAD Miami team. Overall we have been outscored.

You judge the coach on the quality of his teams, and in year 5 his teams are getting worse than what he inherited and started with.

The program is going backwards, and you can’t really deny it.

Good take for a troll. Dumb take for reality.

 

[H2P 2003]

Okay. You’re the person in charge at Pitt this morning. What are you doing to fix this?

Fire Narduzzi. Hire an offensive minded head coach. If we are going to be mediocre I’d rather be winning or losing 45-42 than this garbage.

 

[H2P 2003]

Question: Are we still having this conversation if we finish 9-4? Is the program still regressing then?

I think everyone should just relax and let things play out.

I think yes we are. That 9-4 is against a soft schedule, especially in the ACC. A 5-3 ACC record this year is highly unacceptable.

 

[pittbb80]

Lol. How can a program than is averaging 7-8 wins for almost a decade regress when it continues on at that pace ?

 

[H2P 2003]

Lol. How can a program than is averaging 7-8 wins for almost a decade regress when it continues on at that pace ?

context. He inherited a better team than what he has now. There is no doubt in my mind that the 2016 team, that was mostly Chryst players, would blow this team out. If this team played a schedule equivalent to 2016, then they would be 4-7 in all likelihood.

Look at the big picture. He has regressed the program and the only thing saving him is a totally garbage ACC.

 

[oldpanther]

Okay. You’re the person in charge at Pitt this morning. What are you doing to fix this?

Recruit a better than serviceable or manager type QB. To late in the season for a major fix, win 1 of the 2 games remaining and total 8 wins and that is the high end of what we PItt fans should expect. Not enough support or demand from administration, former players or our shrieking fan base to raise expectations.

 

[HailToPitt725]

I think yes we are. That 9-4 is against a soft schedule, especially in the ACC. A 5-3 ACC record this year is highly unacceptable.

Ok, maybe you are, but the rest of us probably aren’t.

Can you explain how we’d be regressing if we finish with our highest win total since 2009? I’m curious.

 

[oldpanther]

The dope OP will still parrot the same thing, even though he predicted a 4 win season. Apparently Narduzzi kicked his dog or stole his girlfriend.

Forget the dog, Narduzzi stole his girlfriend.

 

[pittbb80]

context. He inherited a better team than what he has now. There is no doubt in my mind that the 2016 team, that was mostly Chryst players, would blow this team out. If this team played a schedule equivalent to 2016, then they would be 4-7 in all likelihood.

Look at the big picture. He has regressed the program and the only thing saving him is a totally garbage ACC.

Uh the record says otherwise

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Forget the dog, Narduzzi stole his girlfriend.

Apparently. The dude predicted 4 wins and now he's pissed they only have a chance to win 7 to 9.

He still can't let go of his hero either. The hero that claims a 4-4 conference record as his finest, against the same or worse competition.

 

[H2P 2003]

Ok, maybe you are, but the rest of us probably aren’t.

Can you explain how we’d be regressing if we finish with our highest win total since 2009? I’m curious.

context. What is so hard about this? The 2009 team benefited from an awful schedule. This year is benefiting from a bad schedule. I swear, Pitt could move to the MAC and go 8-4 and you guys would say we did great.

 

[H2P 2003]

Uh the record says otherwise

Only because of a junk schedule.

 

[HailToPitt725]

context. What is so hard about this? The 2009 team benefited from an awful schedule. This year is benefiting from a bad schedule. I swear, Pitt could move to the MAC and go 8-4 and you guys would say we did great.

So you’re suggesting that Narduzzi is regressing the program because we won less games than we should have with this schedule? Here’s what I find flawed about your premise.

If this year’s ceiling was currently 10+ wins, the end result would be our best season since 2009. Since our ceiling is 9 wins, which would still be our best season since ‘09, how is that considered a failure and the other a success when the end results for both are the same?

 

[H2P 2003]

So you’re suggesting that Narduzzi is regressing the program because we won less games than we should have with this schedule? Here’s what I find flawed about your premise.

If this year’s ceiling was currently 10+ wins, the end result would be our best season since 2009. Since our ceiling is 9 wins, which would still be our best season since ‘09, how is that considered a failure and the other a success when the end results for both are the same?

because there is no way in hell that in year 5 of a coach 5-3 at best against this conference schedule is acceptable. There is no way that an offense ranked outside the top 100 is acceptable.

 

[NGPittCali]

The mindset of these type of comments is assuming Pitt is on par with the top 3 programs in the SEC. Pitt is doing fine, once you accept this not a roll tide program or league.

 

[HailToPitt725]

because there is no way in hell that in year 5 of a coach 5-3 at best against this conference schedule is acceptable. There is no way that an offense ranked outside the top 100 is acceptable.

You’re now contradicting yourself and tearing down your own premise in the process.

Those three losses were to teams with a combined 7.6 wins with one regular season game left to play, compared to last year’s two conference losses to teams with a combined 4.5 wins.

Now, you will likely respond saying that three losses is clearly worse than two. However, shouldn’t that not matter when you look at the “context” of those losses, which was your argument earlier for why nine wins would be a regression?

 

[H2P 2003]

You’re now contradicting yourself and tearing down your own premise in the process.

Those three losses were to teams with a combined 7.6 wins with one regular season game left to play, compared to last year’s two conference losses to teams with a combined 4.5 wins.

Now, you will likely respond saying that three losses is clearly worse than two. However, shouldn’t that not matter when you look at the “context” of those losses, which was your argument earlier for why nine wins would be a regression?

The UNC loss last year was awful. I’ll argue that the losses this year in conference are bad because the conference is so bad. VT and UVA are at best top 30 teams. Miami is bad.

it’s time to flush Narduzzi down the toilet.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Even thought you’ve beaten it to death (and then some) I’m with you on the offense. It’s a concern. And I’m not convinced there’s gonna be some great leap next year. The Oline has to be MUCH better. Pickett’s offseason needs to be dedicated to drills that improve accuracy. As I said in another thread while there’s no doubt the drops have been deadly his balls aren’t the most catchable and even when they are complete they leave yards on the field (not enough YAC). But I don’t think the team has regressed. As others said it’s flatlined with better D and worse O.

 

[H2P 2003]

Even thought you’ve beaten it to death (and then some) I’m with you on the offense. It’s a concern. And I’m not convinced there’s gonna be some great leap next year. The Oline has to be MUCH better. Pickett’s offseason needs to be dedicated to drills that improve accuracy. As I said in another thread while there’s no doubt the drops have been deadly his balls aren’t the most catchable and even when they are complete they leave yards on the field (not enough YAC). But I don’t think the team has regressed. As others said it’s flatlined with better D and worse O.

That might be a better way to put it, though I think as an overall whole the team is worse than it was 5 years ago when Narduzzi took over.

And yes, I have beat it to death, but I find it incredibly frustrating how many people that wanted to run Chryst out of Pittsburgh after one year are now completely flipped saying that Narduzzi needs like 8 years to establish the program.

7-4 in and of itself isn’t bad. How we got here, and accounting for the schedule though it doesn’t look that good honestly.

 

[NGPittCali]

The last thing this program needs is another change. Maybe you bring in a new coordinator but even that sets your QB back. Maybe cut the nuts off of the coordinator and make him quit. PN is a good coach and loves his job from all appearances. You take the lumps along with the good stuff. Or you install a new subpar coach and go through another "rebuild". Then we can all post this stuff again.

 

[H2P 2003]

Apparently. The dude predicted 4 wins and now he's pissed they only have a chance to win 7 to 9.

He still can't let go of his hero either. The hero that claims a 4-4 conference record as his finest, against the same or worse competition.

Your hero is about to go 5-3 or 4-4 in year 5. Your hero didn’t have to do a complete rebuild when he got her.

The results are completely unacceptable. I really wish we played in the big 12 and were 3-5 in league right now so you could see narduzzi’s true colors.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Your hero is about to go 5-3 or 4-4 in year 5. Your hero didn’t have to do a complete rebuild when he got her.

The results are completely unacceptable. I really wish we played in the big 12 and were 3-5 in league right now so you could see narduzzi’s true colors.

I wish we played in the Big XII, too. As a Kansas City resident, that’d mean more games for me!

 

[NGPittCali]

Your hero is about to go 5-3 or 4-4 in year 5. Your hero didn’t have to do a complete rebuild when he got her.

The results are completely unacceptable. I really wish we played in the big 12 and were 3-5 in league right now so you could see narduzzi’s true colors.

Go get your grad degree from Alabama and shut the hell up. You see Pitt as a rival to Clemson? Come on man. The landscape has changed and it takes big money backing to change. Pitt isn't it.

 

[cpc247]

We are not NCST. Dumpster fire Dave as regressed. Best in conference record is 3-5 even during a 9 win season. We are winning conference games and as bad as the VT game went if we had NCST, Wisconsin, PSU, etc OC we would have 10 wins so stop crying.

 

[CJsE]

Pitt has played some pretty bad teams, and barely scratched out wins against those teams. They have only beaten a single team with a .500+ record (UCF) and scratched out wins against sub-.500 G5 teams. There are a lot of reasons to say that this team has regressed this season.

They make ZERO positive 2nd half adjustments leading to Pitt being the 5th worst 2nd half offense in the country (and the 2nd worst 4th quarter team). Pitt is being outscored 12.9 to 5.3 in the 2nd half this year.

Pitt is 108th in drives then end in a touchdown. Sorry, they were 108th LAST week, so I imagine they dropped a few places after yesterday.

They are 104th in passing efficiency.

They are 79th in red zone attempts but 105th in red zone efficiency. I can't find rankings for red zone td%, but Pitt is certainly near the bottom with only 47% TD conversion.

Pitt's special teams isn't any better. They are 121st in punting efficiency, 109th in kick return efficiency, and 89th in field goal efficiency, and 84th in punt return average.

They are the 5th most penalized team in the country.

I didn't have high hopes for Pitt this year, I thought they'd win 6 games due to the new offensive line, D-line injuries, Voytik JR. still being our QB, and their performance against Virginia. They've already exceeded my expectations. My only real hope for next year's offense is that they are throwing the ball so much to attract a good grad transfer or Beville can run it well with a year or two under his belt learning the offense.

 

[H2P 2003]

Go get your grad degree from Alabama and shut the hell up. You see Pitt as a rival to Clemson? Come on man. The landscape has changed and it takes big money backing to change. Pitt isn't it.

I don’t see pitt as a Clemson rival? I don’t think though that hoping to be better than 5-3 against this conference schedule is asking too much.

 

[H2P 2003]

We are not NCST. Dumpster fire Dave as regressed. Best in conference record is 3-5 even during a 9 win season. We are winning conference games and as bad as the VT game went if we had NCST, Wisconsin, PSU, etc OC we would have 10 wins so stop crying.

If we had PSU or Wisconsin schedule...with PSU’s, we’d maybe be 5-6 right now or 6-5. Losses to OSU, Minnesota, and Michigan. A lot of the other games like Indiana would toss ups.

Wisconsin, we would likely have a similar record. You are completely discounting how bad the ACC coastal
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