It was a good loss in retropspect

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

No 20 win season, so we no longer need to have that reference as a defense to the program and its head coach. Many turnovers, worse decisions, no one moving their feet, just poor free throwing, bad boxing out, no loose balls, just completely emblematic of a poorly coached team. Not a young team, let's not go there. These Sophs have a lot of minutes playerd, they ain't that young.

This in my opinion was a good loss and a good way to end the season. It cleanses. It clarifies. Think of it as navigating a stream, the rocks are completely exposed, not flooded over by a couple of meaningless NIT wins to cloud offseason judgments.

Jamie needs to look in the mirror. He needs to look at his staff. He needs to have a Pete Bell moment. A realization that what he is doing is not working, the program is sliding eerily like GaTech did with Paul Hewitt. Remember how solid they were, remember where Wake Forest was.

He cannot continue to do these same things. We know this team was poor defensively, but again GW went 11 minutes without a FG and had a 7 point lead at the time. We couldn't even tie them we were so inept.

You got the same old tight ass Pitt offense over the last few weeks, that we see every year under Jamie. Jamie Dixonstadt. Sorry, the truth hurts. Even the best Pitt team, maybe ever, the 2009 team struggled unnecessarily against a 16 seed, and struggled more against Okie State and Xavier, teams that likely if we played in January of that year we beat by 20. Jamie tightens up, starts his ridiculous micromanaging of every possession, overcoaches, and the team responds in kind.

Every time.

No, it is not the time to fire Jamie. But it is also not the time to extend or match an offer either.

Hopefully, this loss will be a purge. I doubt it. Jamie is a creature of habit, you can't change, he isn't going to be a gregarious sort, even his post game handshalkes, my god, are indicative of someone so wound tight he can't be bothered to even exchange pleasantries.

Jamie....do bong hits. Please.

 

[mvk112]

Didn't they score in the 80s against OK State and 70s against Xavier?

It just boils down to this team not being very good right now, & the assistant coaching turnover has hurt both recruiting and development of players.

The criticisms of the coach on this board tonight are way over the top, & quite frankly, ridiculous and childish.

 

[UPitt129]

Originally posted by mvk112:
Didn't they score in the 80s against OK State and 70s against Xavier?

It just boils down to this team not being very good right now, & the assistant coaching turnover has hurt both recruiting and development of players.

The criticisms of the coach on this board tonight are way over the top, & quite frankly, ridiculous and childish.

Quite frankly, our fan base is an embarrassment on a regular basis. Just a massive overreaction. The idea that people are already screaming next year they will be worse is amazingly laughable.

 

[mvk112]

Didn't they score in the 80s against OK State and 70s against Xavier?

It just boils down to this team not being very good right now, & the assistant coaching turnover has hurt both recruiting and development of players.

The criticisms of the coach on this board tonight are way over the top, & quite frankly, ridiculous and childish.

 

[PITTLAW]

Reply

Generally agree. But what are you talking about extending or matching for Dixon? You know he has a contract locking him up with Pitt jntil 2023? Pitt needs not worry about extending...lol. If things do not improve significantly soon...Pitt is going to have to figure out a way to rid themselves of a contract that was imprudent from the start. You just never give a head coach a 10 year deal. Absolutely absurd on so many levels. Thankfully we have rid ourselves of the scourge that made that deal. Hail to Pitt!

 

[Piranha]

If you do not think changes need to be made to the staff and roster, then your head is buried in the sand.

 

[Seneca_Valley]

Amen brother..........................


agreed 100%

 

[UPitt129]

Originally posted by mvk112:
Didn't they score in the 80s against OK State and 70s against Xavier?

It just boils down to this team not being very good right now, & the assistant coaching turnover has hurt both recruiting and development of players.

The criticisms of the coach on this board tonight are way over the top, & quite frankly, ridiculous and childish.

Quite frankly, our fan base is an embarrassment on a regular basis. Just a massive overreaction. The idea that people are already screaming next year they will be worse is amazingly laughable.

 

[Protes]

Originally posted by recruitsreadtheseboards:

Hopefully, this loss will be a purge. I doubt it. Jamie is a creature of habit, you can't change, he isn't going to be a gregarious sort, even his post game handshalkes, my god, are indicative of someone so wound tight he can't be bothered to even exchange pleasantries.

Jamie....do bong hits. Please.

I have to admit to LOL'ing at this.

 

[TiredRam97]

Pete Bell moment? So you want him to buy players? That's the solution?

And Wake Forrest fell off the map because Skip Prosser passed away.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Originally posted by mvk112:
Didn't they score in the 80s against OK State and 70s against Xavier?

It just boils down to this team not being very good right now, & the assistant coaching turnover has hurt both recruiting and development of players.

The criticisms of the coach on this board tonight are way over the top, & quite frankly, ridiculous and childish.

Splitting hairs here and missing the point.

They beat E Tenn State 72-62. It was 26-23 at half. With 6 minutes to go, it was still a 3 ;point game. With under 2 minutes, it was a 5 point game still. This was a 1 vs 16.

They then beat OKie State 86-74. It was tied at half. It was tied with a little over 2 minutes to go. This was a 1 vs 8 matchup.

Then we beat Xavier 60-55. Xavier actually was up by 8 at the half. Xavier led by 1 with a minute to go.

Then we lost to Nova.

I mean, our best team and we struggled every game. Every game, and could have lost any one of these. THIS....a team that blew out #1 UConn twice. That blew out 11 ranked Georgetown by 20.

This is just a snapshot. An example. Jamie's tight ass drum makes this team always tight. And I don't think it will ever change.

 

[whirlybird optio]

That, or firing Dino Gaudio...

I'm not saying Gaudio was a great coach, or even a good coach, but he made the NCAA's every year but one, and the year they fired him he won a game in the tournament. Replaced him with bzdelick, a friend of the AD, and program goes to hell.

Gaudio is probably the closest analogy to wanny in college hoops. Not a great coach at all, but probably a good enough recruiter to keep the program competitive.

 

[Plan B&C Recruits]

Maybe saying fire Jamie is overdone,but what game did you watch tonight? If tonight is not the night to criticize Jamie, then when? That was not college basketball out there tonight. That was a sickening display by both teams. Out of the 300 some division one teams GW would not have beaten more than about 20 playing like that. They were awful! Yet our panthers supplied them with enough poor play, that they resembled an intramural team sporting Pitt jerseys. They embarrassed our coach and our university and our fans because they gave a terrible effort! I guess it is ridiculous and childish to suggest that Jamie, as the head man, should take any responsibility for it!

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

So what you are saying.....

by the examples that you are using is that when the game situations got tighter and tighter that Pitt played better and better offense. Which wasn't actually the point you were trying to make, was it.

Pitt scored 26 points in the first half against ETSU and then came out with the game much tighter than it should have been and scored 46 in the second half. How does a team who's offense is being strangled by the coach manager to do that? Then the game with OK State was tied at the half. As the pressure ratcheted up in the second half somehow we managed to play better and win by 12. Then the same thing happened against Xavier, down by 8 at the half and as the pressure got cranked up even greater in the second half we managed a 5 point win.

So combined in those three game in the first half, when the pressure was certainly lesser, we were outscored by a combined 5 points. And then in the second half, when the pressure went way, way up we outscored our opponents by a combined 32 points.

I mean come on owt. You know from our discussions elsewhere that I agree with your main point, that we play too tight in big games (and tonight certainly doesn't count, because it wasn't a big game and because no one seemed to care enough to feel any pressure). If the coach really is making the team too tight, and again, I believe that he does, playing worse in the less pressure situations and then better in the higher pressure situations isn't exactly showing that.

 

[Tical_The Wallabee Champ]

Originally posted by recruitsreadtheseboards:

Originally posted by mvk112:
Didn't they score in the 80s against OK State and 70s against Xavier?

It just boils down to this team not being very good right now, & the assistant coaching turnover has hurt both recruiting and development of players.

The criticisms of the coach on this board tonight are way over the top, & quite frankly, ridiculous and childish.

Splitting hairs here and missing the point.

They beat E Tenn State 72-62. It was 26-23 at half. With 6 minutes to go, it was still a 3 ;point game. With under 2 minutes, it was a 5 point game still. This was a 1 vs 16.

They then beat OKie State 86-74. It was tied at half. It was tied with a little over 2 minutes to go. This was a 1 vs 8 matchup.

Then we beat Xavier 60-55. Xavier actually was up by 8 at the half. Xavier led by 1 with a minute to go.

Then we lost to Nova.

I mean, our best team and we struggled every game. Every game, and could have lost any one of these. THIS....a team that blew out #1 UConn twice. That blew out 11 ranked Georgetown by 20.

This is just a snapshot. An example. Jamie's tight ass drum makes this team always tight. And I don't think it will ever change.

There's a lot of truth here, brother. I've been a major Dixon apologist since he was hired but things must change. He is not getting the talent that he should be getting and I put a big part of that on the assistant coaches. Jamie never showed himself to be an elite recruiter like Slice, so I think he needs STRONG assistants to recruit, and something there is off.

Something was totally screwed with the team chemistry. If Knight can't get a team motivated, it's not happening. He was one of the toughest ballplayers we've ever had. They need to fix that in a hurry. In fact after the ACC tourney loss Knight mentioned D as the thing that needed to improve. Guess I shouldn't expect it to pick up so late in the season, but they didn't even make an effort tonight. I've watching big men dominate us all season. It's sickening.

Robinson is an emotionless stiff much of the time. On the pre game radio show J.P. questioned his ability to get the most out of each player on the court, and that's a solid point. I don't see it. He can pass well and ball handle decently, and he has some size, but he's a slug on D.

Newkirk? This year he did a hard 180.

Young tries hard and is a much better scorer than I ever imagined.

Johnson, I hope, has a senior year worthy of the flashes he's shown, and he brings good energy.

Jeter should improve after more practice time. He can be a creative scorer.

If the big man is anywhere near as tough as Lett was, we'll have a fair down low presence, which we haven't had for awhile.

The 2009 team was picked by a fair share of prognosticators to get to the final 4 and even win it. After they shat the bed vs WVU in the Tourney, though, I had a bad feeling, and it showed in how they played in those 4 games. Tight? Absolutely. And they had some serious ballers.

I thought Artis had a better year than I recall Sam Young having, and neither was big on D as a soph - but Sam had a team around him to cover for him.

They deserved to get ripped at halftime and during the broadcast. I hope they show that to the players. Make them watch it over and over until they see what is going on.

If they get their mojo right and commit to play defense, they can have a top 10-15 team next year and threaten with their scoring ability in the post season, which is rare for a Pitt squad. If not, it will be a better offensive team that wins a few more games and is another major letdown. Just have to wait and see. Aint worth trying to predict.