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James Franklin officially on the hot seat

Well, they wont fire him, they have too much invested in him. I do agree with you, but as we know far too much, coaching carousels definitely are a bad thing.

One article I read though has Chip Kelley going to PSU though... that would be awful for Pitt, as although the guy is a loon, he certainly coached Oregon to a national power.
 
There is no way that Franklin is on the hot seat right now. He is making a boatload of $$$ so you would think the powers to be would expect better results and an upgrade to the non conference schedule! I think next season is key for him.
 
President Stache said:
Definitely a case where not all publicity is good publicity.

If a Pitt coach had back to back 7-6 records with all that talent and against such a weak schedule we would all be calling for head as well.
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Said this a week or so ago - PSU is the only school I know where the fans blame anyone/anything except the HC for their losses. We've all heard or read the many excuses rattled off defending the guy. Fascinating. This place would be apoplectic.
 
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Teh Teh said:
Well, they wont fire him, they have too much invested in him. I do agree with you, but as we know far too much, coaching carousels definitely are a bad thing.

One article I read though has Chip Kelley going to PSU though... that would be awful for Pitt, as although the guy is a loon, he certainly coached Oregon to a national power.
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No chance Kelly goes to PSU. None. That was an article of wishful thinking, and PSU was the fifth choice for him for a college job. He wants to go to the NFL again before going back to college, if at all. He would not like the culture at PSU.
 
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There is no way that Franklin is on the hot seat right now. He is making a boatload of $$$ so you would think the powers to be would expect better results and an upgrade to the non conference schedule! I think next season is key for him.
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Well, I agree he wont be fired now. But you cant tell me if PItt whips them next year and they take a step back that he wouldnt be gone at the end of next year. I think he would be. Michigan, with one hire, managed to surpass the rest of the league. ups has the money they could do the same with the right guy. Franklin IS aggressive, but he doesnt have the coaching chops to get the money UPS paid him.
 
Franklin is losing some of the hype. It was bound to happen. But the recruiting class is very good and PSU will always recruit well. The issue is one of upside. PSU has not achieved the success Paterno and his minions expected in "joining" the Big Ten. The easier schedule as an eastern independent for years along with a rogue program that wasn't accountable to anyone is over. PSU was forced to introduce rules and regulations as to compliance that level the playing field. Franklin as a head coach leaves much to be desired and that is the concern. Paterno made Bill Clinton look like he was on truth serum and Paterno's legacy is one of the PSU way. Lying and selective punishment to those who are questioning the success with honor crap is still alive and well among the masses.
 
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Teh Teh said:
Well, with him on the hot seat, and the DC maybe going elsewhere, firing the OC... there DEFINITELY is not stability in slappy valley.
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Plus, Franklin went with his own Public Press Conference saying he needs more time and has a plan with a good loyal long time staff, just before the MSU's game??? Afterwards, fired his OC and still has to win 10 games with Iowa, PITT, Michigan, MSU, Ohio State on his schedule next two years?

If Franklin loses Shoop at this time, not a good sign to meet that challenge of 10 Wins?
 
"chethejet, post: 719250, member: 4178"]Franklin is losing some of the hype. It was bound to happen.
Agree, but MSU, Michigan and OSU has done just as well if not better on recruiting too, and new challenges at Maryland and Rutgers and Pitt?

But the recruiting class is very good and PSU will always recruit well.
True, great Revenue Recruiting Resources Program no matter who is the Coach?

The issue is one of upside. PSU has not achieved the success Paterno and his minions expected in "joining" the Big Ten.
Absolutely, true and few Penn State Fans want to admit it, and they want more Wins in a Conference they are having trouble winning in the Top 25 even under Paterno? Paterno real legacy is leaving Penn State money in the B1G but not more wins? This is not a trend but proven fact now for over 23 years now especially since the Penn State Football Scandal and Big Ten Division change! All 13 out of 23 Years of Big Ten Membership Top 25 Rankings happen before 2010?

The easier schedule as an eastern independent for years along with a rogue program that wasn't accountable to anyone is over. PSU was forced to introduce rules and regulations as to compliance that level the playing field.
The 116 Freeh NCAA Monitor Oversight, Federal Compliances and Law Reforms have also put all Head & Assistant Coaches under oversight by the University's Ethics & Compliance as well as Athletic Integrity Officer, that Paterno did not follow!

Franklin as a head coach leaves much to be desired and that is the concern.
Franklin is just realizing himself he has his own concerns now about his own tenure at Penn state if he can't win 10 games soon? He didn't have a Press Conference because he wanted one, he had to have one to explain why he needs more time? Franklin's recruiting is great but still behind Michigan and Ohio State and MSU, Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Northwestern not far behind?

Paterno made Bill Clinton look like he was on truth serum and Paterno's legacy is one of the PSU way. Lying and selective punishment to those who are questioning the success with honor crap is still alive and well among the masses.
Agree and the bigger problem is Nittany Lion Fans have been lied to by the Nittany Liars Higher Ups, and still believe nothing went wrong under the Paterno Era, in effect lying to themselves. Programs can't advance until honest debates lead to changes that can make them better. Pitt Chancellor realized this and made changes at the Athletic Department first, then got a Good Coach, and then New A.D.?

Penn State University is still going through many changes still lingering from the Penn State Football Scandal that is going on, with Civil Lawsuits, Insurance Lawsuits, and Criminal Trials?

Even more of a concern the University and Athletics still have more divisions among their Trustees, Administration, and Athletic Department?

No Big Ten University especially Michigan, MSU and Ohio State have that problem?

As stated many times, Penn State Fans have lost their Swagger of make believe and never really had any Swagger except what they were told?

Now Michigan and Ohio State have real Swagger in the Big Ten and Penn State never has dating back since 1996 when Penn State became fully integrated?

If Paterno that was not even obeying or following NCAA, Title/Clery Act, and Laws couldn't overcome Michigan and Ohio State, Franklin won't either!
 
pittdan77 said:
James isn't going anywhere very quickly unless it's on his terms. Still hearing too many excuses from his apologists to justify any movement. I'd add that as long as the revenue is pouring in, the folks in charge at PSU could really care less what the records are for a team. Maintain the image and keep the cash flowing.
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Although many good points, it not just about Revenues, they have had them at Penn State and still paying out damages, new salaries for many people not just coaches, but have passed that point of losses with B1G money continuing to grow.

However, disagree with you on not caring about winning, they want 10 Game winning ASAP to unite the Fan Base and University ASAP, and to correct the the damage to image from the Penn State FootbalL Scandal!

Still, for any coach not just James Franklin to beat Harbaugh, Meyer and Dantonio is tough tall task and that is the true challenge not just making money? Penn State is one of the 28 CFB Programs already making over $100 million and that happens no matter what the record is, but the President, A.D. and Trustees want 10 Wins with the money they are spending, and just like at Michigan, if Hoke couldn't get done, he was gone, and Harbaugh a fellow Michigan Alumnus was brought in and took over to win those 10 Games this year and beat OSU in the coming years?

If an Extension come soon to Franklin I agree, but if no 10 Win Season comes or any Extension is not forthcoming by 2017 or 2018, Penn State will look to another Coach to do it? I agree Franklin is not going anywhere in 2016 and 2017, but 2018 will need an Extension or 10 Game Winning Season will cement his tenure!

Franklin & Staff have recruited the Talent to do it, but they need to do the coaching to complete their Plan, and that remains to be seen?
 
UPitt '89 said:
I don't WANT James Franklin on the hot seat.

I want him there forever.
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I hope the Nitters offer Frankie Football " the ham sandwich with headphones" a lifetime and post lifetime?? Nitter football contract.
They'll be 6-7 maybe 7-6 into eternity!
Maybe they'll ground Frankie Air his recruiting helicopter and give him a air ballon! There's so much hot air on those trips he could float the ballon.
 
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Since Cornelius hisself set up the initial endowment VANDERBILT has never had a better coach and would take him back anytime....

Just ask TD nitter
 
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Quite odd last year Franklin talked about how solid, stable, and great his long term Staffers are his friends and family. Then Temple game came and went and once Miami Hot Seat rumors came upon Al Golden, James Franklin's name appears and he has to renounce he is a candidate.

However, strange during Penn State Spring Ball, Franklin was quoted how many of his Staff is in great demand but are staying at Penn State with him, showing he is proud they are loyal and committed to the Penn State Program? As they turn down job offers without even telling him?

Then the season begins and Franklin after his first game is talked about preparing his resume for upcoming Hot Seat soon? Then the Season ends and Franklin's long time loyal friend of the family is fired after being praised the Friday before about Franklin's Penn State Plan?

COACHING HOT SEAT LEVELS:
Prepare your resumé:
1. Being mention may be on Hot Seat!
2. As Season goes on Name Is Mentioned more
3. As It continues Assistant Start to get Blame
4. Media Press Conference for Time & Progress
5. Assistants Are Fired or Leave
6. Coach Hot Seat is now Hot!
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By Zach Manoogian@TheRealZaq on Sep 9, 2015, 11:11am
"James Franklin, Penn State - For a guy who landed with such great fanfare and built significant recruiting momentum, Franklin’s on-the-field product is that much more disappointing to the Penn State faithful. If he can’t solve the o-line issues and figure out why is quarterback is getting worse, it's going to be ugly for him, sanctions or not. Already, some are starting to question how good a coach he actually his. This isn't a *hot* seat, but losing to Temple is a great way to make anybody uncomfortable."
LINK:
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...coaching-hot-seat-washington-state-kent-state

The Media focus is on new unexpected changes happening at Penn State under Franklin now, but maybe no longer his Assistants or Recruits as they focus on going elsewhere?
 
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Teh Teh said:
Sorry, thought I posted this last night, but didnt hit send I guess.

James Franklin is on the hot seat! Good news going into recruiting stretch

http://saturdayblitz.com/2016/01/02...in-all-the-difference-in-win-over-penn-state/
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Who is Michael Collins?
And who does he write for now? Who did he write for in the past?
Maybe the guy is legit and has some solid info. Or maybe he is just some blog moron blathering to pass the time of day.
I could type "Narduzzi's is on the hot seat." It would be pure BS because I have no inside info. But some dumb fool out there somewhere just might believe it.
 
Safety Blitz said:
Who is Michael Collins?
And who does he write for now? Who did he write for in the past?
Maybe the guy is legit and has some solid info. Or maybe he is just some blog moron blathering to pass the time of day.
I could type "Narduzzi's is on the hot seat." It would be pure BS because I have no inside info. But some dumb fool out there somewhere just might believe it.
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That is really your retort??

Who is any journalist? Honestly it doesnt take Murrow to figure out Franklin is on the hot seat with sub par seasons, decommits and coaches leaving.
 
JokePa said:
Plus that O'brien guy did a great job bridging the gap, and he did so well, he springboarded to a better job in the NFL.
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O'Brien was solid enough to stay at Penn State and did a great job even when he did not know sanctions were going to happen, and was undermined by those claiming to love Penn State, and O'Brien could not wait to leave for the NFL or any other coaching job that could make that happen.

Any Nittany Lion Fans that post otherwise are using "Paterno Speak" and the world now knows that can be full of "Nittany Myths Lies" to spin nothing is ever wrong at Penn State.

Still, Penn State needed 116 Freeh Report Reforms with a paid NCAA Monitor oversight, and no Fair and Honest Penn State Poster can'T refute that either!
 
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That is really your retort??

Who is any journalist? Honestly it doesnt take Murrow to figure out Franklin is on the hot seat with sub par seasons, decommits and coaches leaving.
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Retort?
I was simply asking a question. Is the guy a legitimate reporter with solid sources or some blog monkey spouting his own opinions with nothing to back them up.
In my mind, the jury is still out on Franklin. But this last season was very, very similar to Pitt's season and nobody is suggesting Narduzzi's had a sub-par season. Both schools had a good coordinator move on and PSU parted ways with an underperforming OC. Decommits are common in today's game.
I've seen nothing to indicate Franklin is on a hot seat with anyone who matters. But, like 99.94% of those on this board, I have no inside info.
 
How is their season similar to Pitt's season????

Pitt had their best season since Dave Wannstedt, and that was after losing their best player for the year in the first half of the first game! It was an absolute brilliant first season for a new coach after that happened. Attendance was up more than ANY OTHER P5 team, recruiting is up, wins are up, sacks and aggressive play was way up. I mean, literally everything was better this year.

How is that similar at all to UPS who had 2 seasons in a row of some of their worse records in years, having attendance lower than the previous year, the teams they beat ranked 85 in the country on strength of wins. Both coordinators left, one actually left for the same position... which is crazy for a UPS team.

Pitt is trending up... UPS is trending down. It is not even close to being the same year.

If you really think Franklin is not on the hot seat, you might acually be a Pitt fan in submitting to below mediocrity!
 
If Franklin wasn't on the hot seat before, he is now after losing his DC to a lateral move that wasn't a firing. That usually only happens when there is big trouble.

PSU has to play MSU, UM, and OSU every year. It's very difficult to win the Big Ten East Division. Meyer's won a national title with OSU. MSU's won 11 games+ 5 of the last 6 seasons. UM will be at least competitive as long as Harbaugh is successful developing a offensive line. Indiana can cycle up and beat a PSU when they are on as well.
 
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"Dan from Howell, post: 731274, member: 2240"]If Franklin wasn't on the hot seat before, he is now after losing his DC to a lateral move that wasn't a firing. That usually only happens when there is big trouble.
Some PSU Fans have finally admitted it after trashing others for saying it, and thinking saying such things hurts Recruiting? When the reality is that with less coaching that wins less hurts Recruiting!

It is just now dawning on the dumb to dumber PSU Fans this happening, the smartest one knew it last year and smart one this year?

PSU has to play MSU, UM, and OSU every year. It's very difficult to win the Big Ten East Division.
Exactly, but time is now the problem, and so is Iowa, Pitt, Temple, Maryland, and Rutgers that has improving coaching!

Franklin brought this upon himself and when he blames his Assistants, they, and Penn State Higher Ups are demanding he perform for everything they gave him to win!
 
BuffetParrothead said:
I hope the Nitters offer Frankie Football " the ham sandwich with headphones" a lifetime and post lifetime?? Nitter football contract.
They'll be 6-7 maybe 7-6 into eternity!
Maybe they'll ground Frankie Air his recruiting helicopter and give him a air ballon! There's so much hot air on those trips he could float the ballon.
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It's pretty clear Shoop didn't leave for more money..so what's going on in Happy Valley, is something even Franklin does not want to explain right now in the middle of the Recruiting Season???

Franklin will be holding another Press Conference explaining another New Plan he now has that no longer includes Donovan and Shoop since both are gone from the Old Plan?

It gets worse, if Hackenberg goes to Houston or another Pro Team and does much better under NFL Coaching just a Franklin goes 6-7 or less than 9 Wins in 2016?

If Penn State loses their DL Coach to a New College or pro coach, it will get worse! There is a reason why the Defensive Line Philly Recruit De-Committed from Penn State to Auburn, and that was no coincidence?
 
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The optimum scenario for us ( PITT) is that Franklin hangs on, his assistants and position coaches continue to leave, Franklin spends a lot of time replacing coaches, recruits begin to move away from the Nitters, Franklin doesn't get the coaching replacements right and the Nitters move along in the 7-6 range losing to PITT and the top BIG10 teams.
 
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