Why Franklin Is At Cross Roads Of A Hot Seat Or Driver's Seat, LINKS!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Aha! That's the guy whose name I was trying to remember. Andrew Nelson. Last year's left tackle. That's the virtual sieve through whom Temple got the bulk of those ten sacks last year. So they've moved him to the right side for this season, huh? Is that simply the equivalent of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

Thanks for that INFO, Do you think with another year under his belt his growth and experience should make him better for 2016? Or do you think he is just a complete Busts?

Also, how to think Rhule's Temple Team will do at beaver in 2016 the Experts are all saying Temple is going to get a Payback, but once again, in my opinion, they are underestimating Rhule!

I ask because I don't know?

 

[Pitt-Chains]

"medixman, post: 1517009, member: 28301"]Sorry Captain I threw a loaded statement at you so you would make a mistake and you did.I always wanted to correct you and I will.I said Franklin has never had a losing regular season and he hadn't,he was 6-6 in 2011 and lost the bowl game.I promise no more baiting people on here.
I welcome all views and accept many will agree and disagree. If you are not going to count Bowl games, then Paterno does not have 409 Wins. If you want that play that game so be it. Franklin did great at Vandy is accurate by you and they were happy with 6-7. Others on the Lair feel otherwise, i am not one of them. It is not about making mistakes it is about correcting them to learn form them. Franklin still had a 6-7 Record in NCAA record books, so be it.

Id be a fool to predict records for the next three years before I see how McSorley plays and how Moorhead runs the offense against the good teams in the Big 10
I accept that too, but your first post was that Franklin is there until 2018? Guessing future wins is what we all do here and I like to read them. I so agree even predicting PSU-Pitt game needs for all of us to see Kent state and Villanova.
I will add my own comments if you want to do the predictions game by game, and that is fair to judge my picks too. But I agree, why do it until we see the OL & McSorely and Pitt-PSU game, to see how both teams look.

.After the year I'll do it though.
Fine, with me, I just think it goes to my Thread Ttitle Franklin is at a cross roads, your posts back it up Franklin being in the driver's Seat, I feel he could be on the Hot Seat this year without an Extension and I backed it up with what some PSU former Players told me they feel about his wins and losses?

The bowl game is too small of a sample to rate McSorley on,easy to play good when your way ahead or behind.
Agree, and others on the Lair disagreed not me. I saw a good performance with coming off the bench. I see he can be good quickly even in 2016. But since I do not know why post articles links for others to chime in, but I agree with you one Bowl Game is not a good sample but he did good as far as I could see.

As far as coaching changes in my opinion Shoop left because he felt he'd have a better chance of getting a head coaching job if he coached with another team next year and after.
Fair comment, but to me what you are saying he couldn't do that at PSU? Is UTenn going to be better for his career? also, he re-committed to PSU and then left and I think it does have something to do with Franklin is my point you should consider too. he had no problem creating the 4th and 14th Defense in the NCAA FBS and Sanctions were not an excuse? You see my points?

Plus I think Franklin was tired of worrying about him leaving after every season.
Franklin did not dump Shoop, he wanted Shoop to stay, just like Narduzzi wanted Chaney to stay? Shoop left Franklin outright. Pry only got the job because Shoop left?

Franklin must of felt Pry was ready to take over.
Hmmmnnn..must have is guess, let be more clear, do you think Shoop's Coaching helped Franklin win at Vandy and PSU? Now that he is gone, my point is Shoop by leaving has put even more pressure on Franklin to win? You now are saying what again, Pry will be just great this year? This is my point why Franklin could be on Hot Seat in 2016 with an Extension.

Hand and Donovan had to go because of the poor offensive execution.
Franklin did not Fire Hand, Hand left Franklin just like Shoop. again, you are missing signs of Coaching Instability at PSU. These LONG TIME Staffers that help Franklin win at Vandy left Franklin? Donovan was the only one Fired and that is on Franklin too, is it not, he brought him in. and praised him before the MSU game? Auburn thinks Hand is a Great OLC they wanted him, and Franklin couldn't keep him?

Was it their fault though?????
Franklin is Head Coach you say PSU Fan have to wait? Yet, Shoop and Hand did not wait, they left on their own, and were in demand by better Winning Programs in SEC and after Franklin got more money from PSU to keep them? This indicates to me you really are not seeing anything from any Coaching booth, not a personal attack, just pointing out what you don't know and how it does not square backing up your views if you own views are on mistaken Info?

Maybe,maybe not but someones head had to roll.
Only Donovan's Head Rolled! Franklin head could roll too sooner than 2018 is my point and backed my up me view based on Info i had to educate your mistaken beliefs on why some Great Coaches that helped when at Vandy left Franklin? It is Ok you did not know, but now you do, and we share to learn here.

I also think Franklin did upgrade these coaching position but again time will tell.
Once again, Auburn wanted OLC Hand to stay and got him a raise and Franklin could not keep him. Now Franklin hires Limegrover that was Fired at Minnesota and claimed he could not be an OC & OLC and no other Program offered him? Once again, can't you see how Franklin had to make that move when he said did not want to do it? To me it is Top Coaches that won at Vandy leaving Franklin and it is Coaching Instability a sign of a Coach on a coming Hot Seat that you denied using wrong Info of what you claim to have know about Football Knowledge?

It is OK if you think Limegrover is going to be better, i am not saying otherwise at this time, i am like you we shall see? But Franklin had Coaching Instability put upon him, and not because he wanted to make changes. They chose to leave him? I find it odd timing, and even worse losing two guys you won with at Vandy that you cite instant success there but why PSU fans have to wait now?

Sometimes your friends aren't the best option when it comes to succeeding and success is a must in the business of DI football.
Now I can agree with this in part because Jackie Sherrill after his first years at Pitt did fire some of his own great Assistants and went 33-3 after them. So that can happen.

Yet, Jackie made that happen, unlike Franklin did not want his Assistants to leave and Franklin was with his Staffer sat Vandy and bragged about how they will Dominate the region now they are all at Penn State? Even Franklin held a Press Conference saying he was wrong to say that upon reflection. This is one reason why you as a PSU Fan are still waiting and can't even predict how Franklin will do in 2016, 17, and 18?

Once again, to me as told by some PSU Insiders they rae not confident that Franklin can deliver as promised and they are not in a Booth either. they played at Penn State on the field, and they told me they never saw such bad sideine coaching Franklin displays. They tell me Franklin is going to have a tough time beating Meyer's, Harbaugh, Dantonio, and others without Shoop.

Yet, they say Franklin gets 2016 to prove it with his New Spread, Moorhead & New OLC, and New DC & DBC will wait to see it too, but if Franklin goes 4-8 or 5-7, dump him now.

No one knows for sure either. I am with you, I think PSU can be Great but I think he shows it in 2016 not 2017? This goes for Coach Pat & Holgrosen too!

As a matter of fact Hand coached my nephew at West Va Wesleyan in 1991-3. If you think sanctions didn't hurt PSU where would your best olineman be playing this year if there were no sanctions?
Well, some Cult Posters on BWI love to post that O'Brien won under Sanctions and Franklin too, so 4 Winning Seasons at PSU under Sanctions and have not hurt PSU?

So that's just one example of why sanction hurt PSU.
I can agree Sanctions did hurt PSU ability to beat Top Programs like Michigan, OSU, and MSU but that is on Franklin now, and he loses to NW, Temple, and others and Franklin has also hurt PSU by not doing what he promised to do?

In addition, his Coaching that helped him with Vandy Wins left him and not due to Sanctions since they came with him and Coached under the Sanctions but now left him just when Franklin said said, Sanctions no longer hurting PSU?

Again, please answer does Franklin get and Extension if he goes 4-8, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6 in 2016? It is just a question asking for an Opinion not Rocket Science, many tell me no way?

I welcome your views too, we learn by discusign them not cussing at them like they do on BWI!

Cap't you are the Captain.

 

[PittPanthers90]

And when PSU beats Pitt it will get ugly in the Burgh.

LOL

Is this going to be the same day that ...
Trump is no longer ruled by his ego?
Hillary Clinton turns into a honest trust-worthy person?
The cult at Ped State recognizes that Jo(k)e Pa was a disgusting human being enabling Sandusky?

 

[ValentinoRossi]

Aha! That's the guy whose name I was trying to remember. Andrew Nelson. Last year's left tackle. That's the virtual sieve through whom Temple got the bulk of those ten sacks last year. So they've moved him to the right side for this season, huh? Is that simply the equivalent of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

No, Paris Palmer was the left tackle last year. Nelson played on the right although he played some left tackle later in the year because Palmer was so bad. Palmer isn't starting this year and probably won't see much playing time barring injuries.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Cap't you are the Captain.

Thanks and MediXman is a good Poster and cares about Penn State and has passion and I respect him.

If you recall, when Franklin was introduced I said i think he will be very hard to beat, and many posters attacked me for it and I respected them because they know their stuff on coaching. They explained why Franklin was a Talker not a Walker and so far they are right and I am wrong, and changed my views too.

MediXman is just voicing the view I used to have and he is right.....Franklin may prove to be as good as as displayed since he says himself, this is his first Year in Coaching due to Sanctions. These are his Players he recruited and they are starting now and they have talent!

Narduzzi has the same challenge in 2016 too.

We shall see?

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[TempleBAPittMPA]

No, Paris Palmer was the left tackle last year. Nelson played on the right although he played some left tackle later in the year because Palmer was so bad

Yeah, now that you mention him, that is the name that rings a bell.

 

[medixman]

Captain I always like to read your comments on here.Now I must admit I don't always agree with them but I respect them.Im old but I think I can still learn from others and hopefully I can give insights on some subjects that others might profit from.One thing that you've always sad that I'm 100% behind is Psu,Pitt and WVU should play every year in all sports.Plus I also agree with you when you said that it would be great if all three were ranked in the top 20 every year.What people can't believe is that I'm a PSU football fan ( never took one credit there)since the late 60s and I'm a WVU basketball season ticket holder (never took a credit there either,)since 1976.Plus one of my softball,hunting buddies that I coached with for 30 years was a starter on the 76 Pitt National Championships team.Like you I hope all three have great years but I have to admit I hope Psu beats Pitt this year.It might happen then again it may not, your darn o-line is better and I'm afraid that's going to be a difference in this year's game.I'm out of here I'm playing senior softball in Sterling,Va this weekend.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"medixman, post: 1518332, member: 28301"]Captain I always like to read your comments on here.Now I must admit I don't always agree with them but I respect them.
Thank you, I post what i read elsewhere and if i think it is of interests to me, I link it to share it. I welcome disagreement and more importantly corrections, but stand by my convictions and always look forward to predictions, projections, and what other's think as Alumni and Fans.

Im old but I think I can still learn from others and hopefully I can give insights on some subjects that others might profit from.
Same here, and i now defer to the younger generation of all Football Program's Posters on current football plays, coaches, and strategy like I used to follow when younger. The Premium Board is where they know far more and suggest anyone wants to learn it go there. I like the Business Topic Side of Football even more. You have provided insights and your position on Franklin is not far off in my view.

One thing that you've always sad that I'm 100% behind is Psu,Pitt and WVU should play every year in all sports.Plus I also agree with you when you said that it would be great if all three were ranked in the top 20 every year.
Agree, it is my dream to see Pitt, Penn State, WVU in the Top 25 every year, and my ultimate dream is to one day see all 3 in the NCS Playoffs, and calling it a Dream is exactly spot on because they are all rebuilding in 3 Separate Conferences. Others disagree, but that is just me. Nothing feels better than beating each other and nothing feel worst then losing to each other too. But when all 3 are in the Top 25 that just adds to the drama, banter, and game enjoyment.

What people can't believe is that I'm a PSU football fan ( never took one credit there)since the late 60s and I'm a WVU basketball season ticket holder (never took a credit there either,)since 1976.
I respect out Big Ten Posters from OSU, Iowa, Michigan, and MSU but I prefer PSU winning the Big Ten, WVU winning the Big-12, and Pitt winning the ACC, because that makes all of them stronger. Yet, there is no shame in recognizing and admiring the Excellence of other Program's that are realistically Power Houses almost every year, in Bama, USC, OSU, ND, OU, LSU, and many more and playing them too.

Plus one of my softball,hunting buddies that I coached with for 30 years was a starter on the 76 Pitt National Championships team.Like you I hope all three have great years but I have to admit I hope Psu beats Pitt this year.
Good, I followed the 1976 Team and was part of the Golden Panthers later. I also became very good friends with Penn State, WVU, Temple, USC, Notre Dame, USC, and PENN Alumni Boosters and although do not meet as often, still have Long Ears into those Programs! Far less than more these days!

It might happen then again it may not, your darn o-line is better and I'm afraid that's going to be a difference in this year's game.I'm out of here I'm playing senior softball in Sterling,Va this weekend.
I welcome your opinion and even if Pitt loses i will be disappointed and just hope it is a good game that can become a rivalry every year again. right now i have no clue who win, until I see Kent State and Villanova. I recognize PSU & WVU has better Alumni Support, Attendance and Program Resources, and it is up to Pitt to rebuild Pitt like they did from 1972-1976 but this time keep it going.

The fact are WVU, PSU & PITT all have bigger challenges now in each Conference. Good luck in Soft Ball I gave that up in late 20s, Flag Football, League Basketball, Bowling, and Hunting. I saw no value (No Offense), in it and stayed with Golf, Racquetball, Squash, and Tennis. Cut that out too, due to Arms Problems, but walks Miles a day listening to Radio and this is a Hobby i just follow now.

I have been posting too much because I am excited about Narduzzi, but that will come to an end soon as he completes his Plan. When Holgrosen was selected by WVU I was worried Pitt did not get him, knowing he just loves Football, but he might be another Fazio, a better coordinator than head Coach.

Same with Franklin a marvelous Recruiter and Re-builder of Programs like UMD & Vandy but not so sure he can handle Top 25 Programs Coaching like OSU, Michigan, MSU, and we shall see soon. I see Narduzzi as another Alvarez, Dantonio, Ferentz, and shades of Joe Paterno!

It is my opinion Penn State, WVU and Pitt are at the Cross Roads of Rebuilding in becoming Top 25 Teams again, and 2016 is a critical year for both of Holgrosen and Franklin that do not have Extensions with far more discontent by PSU & WVU Boosters, more than Narduzzi. My Long "Eers" & Nittany Lion's tell me things many do not know, some I can share on the Lair and some stay silent.

Come back and give us your predictions when we put up the Preseason Predictions and all comment on them.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

MXM,
I apologized if I offended you did, but did not appreciate I said Paterno Committed Crimes. I have my own Paterno Narrative but so far the Documents have remained Sealed in some areas and until I read them all, I cannot post it in full and could change my mind! Also, AG Kane did great damage to the Prosecution when she would not Appeal the dropping of Obstruction of Justice & perjury Charges. Perjury is hard to prove but Obstruction is very easy. I am told she was working with some PSU Trustee that helped her get elected on those aspects.

My Potential Paterno Unfinished Narrative:
After reading everything publicly allowed right now. It is me belief Joe Paterno was told about Sandusky at least 4 times in 1971, 1976, 1987, and 1988 but he refused to believe the victims each time. I think this is a reasonable narrative to adopt if one thinks about how social standards on child abuse were in 1970s and 1980s. No question Sandusky targeted troubled children known to lie this what the Pedophile does and I can see him telling Joe. You know these Kids are troubled I try to help them and they lie about me.

Even if Joe suspected something by the 1998 Incident he told Curley to follow it closely, and report back to him. When it was dismissed by D.A. Gricar, Joe still took action, and just told Gerry just to retire, choosing to believe Sandusky again, but thinking by him retiring it is a removal of a distraction and still believed Gerry was a victim of the troubled children.

Spanier really enjoyed The Second Mile and all its celebrities fundraising and activities and brought Gerry back and wIthout Joe's support. No one knows for sure, but I think Joe was on focused on just his Football Team and Program so much and had just two concerns, his Family & his Football Program. Nobody outworked Joe and Joe was Great Coach all the time.

Only when the 2001 incident happen did Joe might and say might have have finally realized what Sandusky used to deny and bribe or threaten the children that later recanted, did Joe realize it could all be true. By that time, Joe knew if true it could be bigger trouble and so just ignored it with Spanier, Curley, and Schultz all agreeing there is nothing to it. The Higher Ups decided so time to move on and Spanier ignored it.

When the investigation in 2008-10 began and McQueary asked Joe about it, Joe told McQueary your problem is Old Main? Then we have the Grand Jury Testimony, and Joe's Testimony is specific and directly contradicts Spanier, Curely, and Schultz that all said they were told it was just Horsing Around? Joe with his own Lawyer said otherwise and it is on the record. This is also why Joe said in Hindsight he should have done more.

I think this the narrative that Attorney Marci published about saying she feels Joe got in too deep not taking action earlier and was too busy on just Football. What i differ with her on is she says Joe did this so he could win and he needed Sandusky to win? I don't think Joe needed to Gerry to win, I feel he would have Found a just as good DC.

Yet, the 2001 Incident is where Joe knew he should have done more but he never told his wife Sue about 1971-76,1987-88. This is all dependent upon waiting to read the actual unsealed documents still sealed from the Media Publication.

I do not think Joe Intentionally Committed any Crimes unlike the Penn State Three. Joe just did not believe the Children that told him and believed Gerry explanation instaed, and after many years, came to regret believing Gerry! Joe also told the truth what he was told by McQueary in the grand Jury as well. Unlike the allegations of the the Penn State Three.

This does not excuse JOE KNEW but one does not KNOW for sure if he does not believe it? This is what Prosecutors and then Judges and Juries decide looking at all Constitutional Rights and Joe never intended to lie. Why he was not Indicted!

However, The Court of Public Opinion, Children Protection Advocates, Joe Paterno Haters, and Media still believe Joe should be held liable and why he cannot be Honored in the future. I choose to disagree with a compromised view!

I think Joe's Coaching deserves to be Honored in off Private Off-Campus Museum with the Statue there if they want it back. But the NCAA Sanctions and Penn State 2012 Reforms cannot accept Honoring Penn State University Football Program Paterno Era because it was void Athletic Integrity and the Reforms prove it!

Now my narrative is unfinished because we still have the possible Trial but it depends now on the Judges ruling on Pre-Trial motions just put out last week. if it comes out Joe not only knew but participated in covering it all up to protect his Program intentionally, that means NCAA should actually Vacate the wins again. The Paterno-NCAA Lawsuit will help determine that action as well as all coming out now.

Others differ with me on the Lair and that does not make them wrong in anyway, nor me right. Just what being fair knowing how Joe acted in 1970s-2000s! Joe wa snot running pristine Program by any means regarding Athletic Integrity, and had a dark Side that was petty, hypocritical, double standards, and back biting his fellow coaches to gain and edge for him over them, including Ref selections, recruiting rules slip ups, and was above any Institutional Control by the University!

Shaming an Employer's University Name does not deserve Fame! The Wins were earned on the field but by tainted policies not enforced on the GridIron?

BTW, MediXMan, here are some Links on Franklin's Coaching Blinks this past year and to be a Stable Coaching Staff is sign things are going good until you achieve Top 25 Status again. losing Coaches causes disruption and was one of the biggest advantages Penn State had under Paterno and WVU Nehlen & Coach Rod had over Pitt in 1970s, 80,s 90s, not so much since 2010?

The comments cuts both ways, but there are other Articles that showed how Franklin publicly bragged about them not leaving, then they left him? I think it was big shock for Franklin doing more talking than walking, and I might be wrong. But having 4 new coaches at 4 New Positions does take to adjust but these Coaches helped James win at Vandy too and now are gone.

Excerpt:
James Franklin has lost yet another assistant at Penn State as Herb Hand leaves for Auburn. That's not good news, according to a rival coach speaking to ESPN. "Ouch," a Big Ten assistant said when asked for his initial reaction to the move. "He is one of the best offensive line recruiters in the country. That’s going to impact Penn State, maybe not as much for the 2016 class, but I can see it really having an impact on next year’s class. Auburn’s getting a good coach and a great recruiter."
This is on the heels of defensive coordinator Bob Shoop leaving for Tennessee.

Not everyone agrees with these departures being a huge loss for Franklin.
"Penn State shouldn't be overly concerned," said Nick Polak of SB Nation's Penn State outlet, Black Shoe Diaries. "Losing Bob Shoop hurts, but Brent Pry is a more than capable replacement, and the defense will be just fine under his control."
"As for Herb Hand, while he's a well-regarded and likable guy, he certainly didn't turn Penn State's offensive line into world-beaters. He was given very little to work with, but with the talent level quickly improving, his replacement will have every opportunity to succeed. Not to mention, it's hard to blame Hand for wanting to coach with one of his best friends, in Gus Malzahn. But Hand was an excellent recruiter by offensive line coach standards, so Franklin will need to find another ace to put on the trail."
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/1/13/10759742/penn-state-football-recruiting-herb-hand-bob-shoop-psu

Let’s Be Frank: Key losses don’t bode well for Penn State's James Franklin
Nevertheless, the bottom line remains –– if Shoop, Hand or Lewis aren’t confident the Lions will not be a competitive team in 2016, why should we think otherwise?
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/football/article_a1d14992-b8de-11e5-92ea-6f6f52b6be81.html