Jamie Dixon coaching different at TCU

[PittPoker]

Watched the highlights and TCU down by 1 to OK State with like 18 seconds left and gets the ball. Dixon has 1 timeout left and DOESN'T USE IT!! TCU went down the court and with like 6 seconds left they scored the go-ahead basket. OK State tried to win it at the buzzer but the shot was contested and it was no good. TCU now 6-2 and 1-0 in conference.

My shock though was Jamie not using his last timeout. Maybe it has been a while but I don't remember Jamie not using his last timeout with the game on the line and the ball at Pitt. I was definitely surprised. He would call timeouts if our opponents even sniffed a few buckets in a row.

Anyways maybe I'm just not remembering so if I'm wrong please correct me. But again I was stunned a Dixon coached team actually let his team play without a timeout used down by 1. The new Dixon?

 

[whirlybird optio]

I don’t think his timeout strategy has changed. On their winning possession, they had almost a transition breakout so Jamie wasn’t going to use it there with the team in rhythm.

I never really minded using a timeout on the last possession, we won a lot of big games on our last possession after timeouts (Duke, WVU to name a couple).

He did use one again on Defense after a made basket. I was never as much a fan of those, although Capel does it too from time to time.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I don’t think his timeout strategy has changed. On their winning possession, they had almost a transition breakout so Jamie wasn’t going to use it there with the team in rhythm.

I never really minded using a timeout on the last possession, we won a lot of big games on our last possession after timeouts (Duke, WVU to name a couple).

He did use one again on Defense after a made basket. I was never as much a fan of those, although Capel does it too from time to time.

Using a timeout to set up defense is so dumb. Offense already has the advantage but you’re giving a good coach a chance to attack wherever he wants to attack instead of thinking on the fly. Especially when you KNOW Dixon is coming out in Man to Man.

They’ve had their issues this year but that was a big time win. He needs a run at an ncaa birth for those young guys

 

[whirlybird optio]

Using a timeout to set up defense is so dumb. Offense already has the advantage but you’re giving a good coach a chance to attack wherever he wants to attack instead of thinking on the fly. Especially when you KNOW Dixon is coming out in Man to Man.

They’ve had their issues this year but that was a big time win. He needs a run at an ncaa birth for those young guys

The worst was his TO in the Butler NCAA game on defense (after a shot clock violation I think), and Stevens just draws up a fantastic play which would have been for the win except for the late sequence of fouls. Couldn’t stand that one.

But yea, big win for TCU. Road game...Ok St is probably a bubble type team. Extremely young roster for Jamie, they could surprise

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

The worst was his TO in the Butler NCAA game on defense (after a shot clock violation I think), and Stevens just draws up a fantastic play which would have been for the win except for the late sequence of fouls. Couldn’t stand that one.

But yea, big win for TCU. Road game...Ok St is probably a bubble type team. Extremely young roster for Jamie, they could surprise

I think this is his most talented roster he’s had. We’ll see what he can do with them. But Miles, Fuller etc were all big time gets.

 

[thirteenNINE]

I like TCU's roster a lot, Mike Miles in particular has really impressed me early on. They're still a little thin and probably a year away but Jamie has built a really solid team at a very tough place to win.

 

[wbrpanther]

Watched the highlights and TCU down by 1 to OK State with like 18 seconds left and gets the ball. Dixon has 1 timeout left and DOESN'T USE IT!! TCU went down the court and with like 6 seconds left they scored the go-ahead basket. OK State tried to win it at the buzzer but the shot was contested and it was no good. TCU now 6-2 and 1-0 in conference.

My shock though was Jamie not using his last timeout. Maybe it has been a while but I don't remember Jamie not using his last timeout with the game on the line and the ball at Pitt. I was definitely surprised. He would call timeouts if our opponents even sniffed a few buckets in a row.

Anyways maybe I'm just not remembering so if I'm wrong please correct me. But again I was stunned a Dixon coached team actually let his team play without a timeout used down by 1. The new Dixon?

I guess he's matured. His stopping play with a timeout in the last 10 seconds of play was always maddening. I'm in the camp that a timeout helps the defense more than the offense. Trust your guys to run the right play without the defense being able to set up.

 

[BargeDog]

Been watching JD's teams since he departed

His TCU teams play the same as his Pitt teams

Problem here was drop off in recruiting after move to ACC

At TCU he's getting his fair share of Texas talent

He was always a good defensive coach And his offense shares the ball, passes well and gets good shots
JD was a really good coach who got the most out of his roster when he had players who fit

 

[JRPITT]

Been watching JD's teams since he departed

His TCU teams play the same as his Pitt teams

Problem here was drop off in recruiting after move to ACC

At TCU he's getting his fair share of Texas talent

He was always a good defensive coach
And his offense shares the ball, passes well and gets good shots
JD was a really good coach who got the most out of his roster when he had players who fit

I posted earlier that I think he is recruiting more offensive-minded players and giving them more freedom. I also believe his team is not as good defensively.

 

[Cap pitt]

But the best thing about Jamie Dixon is, he's not at Pitt

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

But the best thing about Jamie Dixon is, he's not at Pitt

Maybe. His stay did get stale and he didn’t like the move to the ACC. But his departure gave us a far far worse initial outcome in Stallings and I would have preferred to have avoided that death spiral experience entirely.

 

[JRPITT]

But the best thing about Jamie Dixon is, he's not at Pitt

Ya, it's been great the last 5 years hasn't it?

 

[NTOP]

I think this is his most talented roster he’s had. We’ll see what he can do with them. But Miles, Fuller etc were all big time gets.

Samuels hasn't improved his offense at all. They need more inside scoring. Nembhard and Miles are pretty good. Jamie seems to be a bit calmer these days. Age?

 

[bobfree]

He’s 1-1 in the conference

 

[Cap pitt]

Ya, it's been great the last 5 years hasn't it?

No, not at all, the last 5 years at Pitt has not been great at all, but the last 5 years of Dixon's time at Pitt wasn't that great either.

 

[Pittx9]

No, not at all, the last 5 years at Pitt has not been great at all, but the last 5 years of Dixon's time at Pitt wasn't that great either.

Calling Dixon’s last 5 years “not that great either” when you refer to the last 5 years at Pitt as not great at all is really giving Pitt way too much credit. Finally we may be building the program back up, but we’ve been one of the absolute worst programs in the P6 conferences since Dixon left.

Every single time we took the court during Stallings’ tenure I would’ve killed to see Pitt struggle to score 40 points in a tournament game. Dixon’s last 5 years (as stale as it became) were worlds better than the complete garbage we’ve seen since.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Calling Dixon’s last 5 years “not that great either” when you refer to the last 5 years at Pitt as not great at all is really giving Pitt way too much credit. Finally we may be building the program back up, but we’ve been one of the absolute worst programs in the P6 conferences since Dixon left.

Every single time we took the court during Stallings’ tenure I would’ve killed to see Pitt struggle to score 40 points in a tournament game. Dixon’s last 5 years (as stale as it became) were worlds better than the complete garbage we’ve seen since.

Jamie’s last 5 were:

NCAA First Rd loss
NIT
NCAA 2nd Rd loss
NCAA First Rd Loss
CBI Champs (lol)

And if you go back a 6th year we have a Big East Championship.

I agree, the bottom was falling out; things were not good, and he missed on a couple straight classes. But that run of 5 years compared to Stallings/Capel results is gonna make Jamie look like Wooden. It wasn’t thaaat bad, esp compared to now.

This is a big year for Capel. The ACC is so muddled in the middle, and Pitt has a deep enough, and talented enough roster, that we should be expecting an upward move this year and a final record which puts us on the NCAA bubble or better. If not, next year really becomes a big year, where a NCAA bid should be demanded.

 

[Duneaux Harm]

Watched the highlights and TCU down by 1 to OK State with like 18 seconds left and gets the ball. Dixon has 1 timeout left and DOESN'T USE IT!! TCU went down the court and with like 6 seconds left they scored the go-ahead basket. OK State tried to win it at the buzzer but the shot was contested and it was no good. TCU now 6-2 and 1-0 in conference.

My shock though was Jamie not using his last timeout. Maybe it has been a while but I don't remember Jamie not using his last timeout with the game on the line and the ball at Pitt. I was definitely surprised. He would call timeouts if our opponents even sniffed a few buckets in a row.

Anyways maybe I'm just not remembering so if I'm wrong please correct me. But again I was stunned a Dixon coached team actually let his team play without a timeout used down by 1. The new Dixon?

Jamie who?

 

[JRPITT]

Jamie’s last 5 were:

NCAA First Rd loss
NIT
NCAA 2nd Rd loss
NCAA First Rd Loss
CBI Champs (lol)

And if you go back a 6th year we have a Big East Championship.

I agree, the bottom was falling out; things were not good, and he missed on a couple straight classes. But that run of 5 years compared to Stallings/Capel results is gonna make Jamie look like Wooden. It wasn’t thaaat bad, esp compared to now.

This is a big year for Capel. The ACC is so muddled in the middle, and Pitt has a deep enough, and talented enough roster, that we should be expecting an upward move this year and a final record which puts us on the NCAA bubble or better. If not, next year really becomes a big year, where a NCAA bid should be demanded.

I know we must move on from Dixon but the bashing about his last 5 years? Really? Capel & company may be building something good; but they haven't accomplished much so far. IF he can consistently get us in to the tourney (like we use to), then let the debate begin.

 

[Cap pitt]

Calling Dixon’s last 5 years “not that great either” when you refer to the last 5 years at Pitt as not great at all is really giving Pitt way too much credit. Finally we may be building the program back up, but we’ve been one of the absolute worst programs in the P6 conferences since Dixon left.

Every single time we took the court during Stallings’ tenure I would’ve killed to see Pitt struggle to score 40 points in a tournament game. Dixon’s last 5 years (as stale as it became) were worlds better than the complete garbage we’ve seen since.

I agree with all that, 2 years of stallings was the worse thing that happened to Pitt, and the last couple with capel better but not that good, yet, it's getting better under capel, but this landslide started with the last 4 or 5 years of Dixon and there is no disputing that, for whatever reason dixon started this program On its downward slide, and capel is picking this program back up,

 

[Pittx9]

I agree, the bottom was falling out; things were not good, and he missed on a couple straight classes. But that run of 5 years compared to Stallings/Capel results is gonna make Jamie look like Wooden. It wasn’t thaaat bad, esp compared to now.

Exactly.

 

[Pittx9]

I agree with all that, 2 years of stallings was the worse thing that happened to Pitt, and the last couple with capel better but not that good, yet, it's getting better under capel, but this landslide started with the last 4 or 5 years of Dixon and there is no disputing that, for whatever reason dixon started this program On its downward slide, and capel is picking this program back up,

That is true. I personally think Dixon earned the right to get Pitt back on the right track himself. Stallings’ first year I think Dixon takes that team to the tournament, NIT at worst. Was him filing holes with mediocre grad transfers at the end the best thing for the program? No, but he would’ve kept finding ways for Pitt to be respectable.

I was a huge Dixon fan and even I would say I’d rather have Capel at this point. His teams haven’t done anything yet, but talent leads to wins and I think he will get us better talent.

I just don’t understand the people that thought Dixon had to go no matter what, as clearly they were wrong that it couldn’t get any worse. I was even willing to give Stallings a chance, but making it easier for Dixon to leave and Pitt then using more of their own money to pay Stallings was maybe the most incompetent move an NCAA school has ever made.

Stallings was never, ever, ever gonna be anywhere near as good as Dixon... and they voluntarily paid more than they had to to make him Dixon’s replacement. I’m just glad we finally ended up with a guy like Capel.

 

[Cap pitt]

That is true. I personally think Dixon earned the right to get Pitt back on the right track himself. Stallings’ first year I think Dixon takes that team to the tournament, NIT at worst. Was him filing holes with mediocre grad transfers at the end the best thing for the program? No, but he would’ve kept finding ways for Pitt to be respectable.

I was a huge Dixon fan and even I would say I’d rather have Capel at this point. His teams haven’t done anything yet, but talent leads to wins and I think he will get us better talent.

I just don’t understand the people that thought Dixon had to go no matter what, as clearly they were wrong that it couldn’t get any worse. I was even willing to give Stallings a chance, but making it easier for Dixon to leave and Pitt then using more of their own money to pay Stallings was maybe the most incompetent move an NCAA school has ever made.

Stallings was never, ever, ever gonna be anywhere near as good as Dixon... and they voluntarily paid more than they had to to make him Dixon’s replacement. I’m just glad we finally ended up with a guy like Capel.

Again, I agree, Dixon's first 9 or 10 years at Pitt were great, but for what ever reason that came to an end don't know if it was because of leaving the big east and joining the ACC, we'll never know, but it did happen, and I believe capel will turn this around, I just wonder if coach K retires, if capel is next in line and leaves to coach at Duke and this rebuild is not complete and the next coach has to start all over again, I'm in my late 60s, and in basketball and football, I'm tired of waiting till next year

 

[Pittx9]

Again, I agree, Dixon's first 9 or 10 years at Pitt were great, but for what ever reason that came to an end don't know if it was because of leaving the big east and joining the ACC, we'll never know, but it did happen, and I believe capel will turn this around, I just wonder if coach K retires, if capel is next in line and leaves to coach at Duke and this rebuild is not complete and the next coach has to start all over again, I'm in my late 60s, and in basketball and football, I'm tired of waiting till next year

I think if Capel is here even just a few more years we may finally get to the final four, he is a big-time recruiter. If he stays here as long as Dixon did, I don’t think he’ll have the consistent success Dixon did, but his best teams will accomplish more than Dixon’s did.

As for Duke, I think there’s a couple guys that are ahead of Capel. Until they actually make the hire and it’s not him, my money is still on Scheyer. If Capel actually does land the Duke job, most likely he did something great here.

Coach K turned Duke into the most recognizable brand in college basketball, they could literally hire anybody they want to. They’re not just gonna give Capel the job because he was an ace recruiter as an assistant there and a former player unless he accomplished something at Pitt that assured Duke that he could come in and win national championships there.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

My observation on Dixon is that he let the "all they do is play defense, they cant score" crowd (both fans and media) get the better of him. He was always so defensive (no pun intended) when media questions arose regarding his "style." Instead of marketing his style and building off it like Tony Bennett's "Embrace the Pace" or "Press Virginia," he didn't want to be known as the team who just defended. So he tried to reinvent himself here somewhat by bringing in flashier athletes such as JJ Moore and Khem Birch, who didn't pan out. And then ultimately moved to TCU where they are playing way less defense than he did here. He is playing a completely different style and to only moderate "bubblish" success.

Had Dixon just stayed true to his principles, maybe he'd still be here.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

My observation on Dixon is that he let the "all they do is play defense, they cant score" crowd (both fans and media) get the better of him. He was always so defensive (no pun intended) when media questions arose regarding his "style." Instead of marketing his style and building off it like Tony Bennett's "Embrace the Pace" or "Press Virginia," he didn't want to be known as the team who just defended. So he tried to reinvent himself here somewhat by bringing in flashier athletes such as JJ Moore and Khem Birch, who didn't pan out. And then ultimately moved to TCU where they are playing way less defense than he did here. He is playing a completely different style and to only moderate "bubblish" success.

Had Dixon just stayed true to his principles, maybe he'd still be here.

This ignores or at least downplays some of the issues at play in that time frame: rules changes, changes in college basketball offensive strategy (towards a very heavy PNR game), the closing of parochial schools that we used to recruit from, the change in conference. Jamie did a pretty good job trying to adjust to a changing era but it definitely took its toll compared to his earlier years in terms of results.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Nice that this comes up from time to time. So many news thoughts and theories.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This ignores or at least downplays some of the issues at play in that time frame: rules changes, changes in college basketball offensive strategy (towards a very heavy PNR game), the closing of parochial schools that we used to recruit from, the change in conference. Jamie did a pretty good job trying to adjust to a changing era but it definitely took its toll compared to his earlier years in terms of results.

Looking back, he probably would have been better off just getting tough-minded kids and defended like crazy. He tried to go "too offensive" and that's not him.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

And then ultimately moved to TCU where they are playing way less defense than he did here. He is playing a completely different style and to only moderate "bubblish" success.

Average rank in Dixon's five years at TCU: Tempo: 227.8, Offense: 60.4, Defense: 57.8
Average rank in Dixon's last five years at Pitt: Tempo: 310.8, Offense: 24.0, Defense: 86.0

You can only believe that Dixon's teams at TCU are more offensive minded and are playing worse defense if you don't actually know what is going on.