Jamie with another early round exit...
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Still has never advanced past his seed line (not counting the time he won the 8/9 game as the 9 seed). Hasnt finished above .500 in conference play since 2014. Those are 2 incredible stats for a good coach.
TCU gets 5k a game and basketball is an afterthought. Just making the tournament is a major accomplishment at a place like TCU.
He's okay. And that's his real problem. He's just okay.
He plays a light OOC schedule, manages to play around. 500 in his conference, rack up 22 wins a year, and goes dancing usually as a 6 seed or lower.
Those types of teams are just tournament "white noise". They have no realistic shot at winning the whole thing and they almost always go home the first weekend.
That's basically what his programs are. Nothing really wrong with that. But a lot of places want a little more.
They put a lot of money in hoops and they are in the middle of a basketball hotbed. I don't think playing .500 in conference play and making the tourney is a major accomplishment. It's something. I don't think it's anything major though.
They were averaging 2-3k before he got there. He’s the reason the TCU program turned around.
TCU has made the NCAA tournament 10 times since 1940 and Dixon was the head coach for 3 of those appearances.
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You just commenting because they lost and it’s Jamie or did you actually watch the game?
I thought it was a real good hard fought game, Zags got a lead after being down a good part of the game and was able to hold onto it at the end. But TCU played real well. I was impressed with them and they didn’t remotely look like an ole Pitt Jamie Dixon team, at least not with their offense. Overall, a number of big clutch plays by both teams down the stretch.
And Vegas was going crazy at the end of the game with the 4-5 reversals of TCU covering to Zags covering and so on. Zags have the cover in hand and then the TCU 3, steal and 2 off the bad/stupid Zags inbounds and all of a sudden TCU bettors celebrating the cover. The game is essentially over but TCU fouls with 0.7 seconds left. Zags make both FTs and they have the cover.
Zags let the inbound ball with 0.7 seconds left roll freely out past mid court with no one touching it do the clock never starts, TCU guy picks it up and sinks a long 3 and the TCU bettors go wild. Gotta love it.
It's a little different climate now. With TCU in a P6 conference and money flowing in their athletic department unlike anytime in the history of the school, it's a much more supportive atmosphere. He's not doing any type of miracle work down there. I don't think he's going to turn TCU into the next Gonzaga.
He's doing a fine job there. Just saying a lot of places want more. And it's possible TCU eventually will too. That's just human nature. Not always reasonable, but it's usually the way things work.
I watched most of it. Who cares if it was a close game. Jamie lost again early. That's the bottom line.
Ok I got it, you’re just happy that Jamie lost.
Me, I didn’t care that he left (or got pushed out, whichever side you want to believe) as I thought he was trending downward. But I have no ill will against him. I just like good BB and that was a good game to finish off the Sunday slate. And as I said, that TCU team doesn’t remotely resemble a Jamie Dixon Pitt team offensively. I don’t think TCU lost that game because of JD coaching.
I sure hope that TCU understands how hard it is to even get to the tourney. That was something alot of people at Pitt took for granted. How miserable has it been since Jamie left???
Yes you want more success in the tourney. But be careful what you wish for.
Yes you want more success in the tourney. But be careful what you wish for.
In modern college basketball, TCU has made the round of 32 3 times. One time when Jamie played and 2 times when Jamie coached. They have never been to the sweet 16 in modern college hoops.
You guys are nuts
You guys are nuts
I think he's giving them exactly what they want, and what we (including me) underappreciated. A clean program that was competitive most years and routinely made the NCAA tournament. It can be frustrating not ever really going on a long run. But I think they expectation there is maybe they might do that once every 5-10 year...but most years will get upset by some hot shooting lower seed team alla Virginia seems to do every year now. The difference is Bennett actually made the final four and won it all in that rare year. Where Dixon got upset on an amazing last second play.
We were much better than just clean and competitive under him. We had the best aggregate record in the best conference for a solid 7 or 8 year run. If a couple games broke differently at the end, the tournament legacy would be different.
That said…whatever magic formula we had together was fading. Kids didn’t want to stay 4 or 5 years anymore just so they could be men against boys. Maybe a couple FF runs would have allowed recruiting to soar, but he just couldn’t figure out how to keep in going.
Don’t know what would have happened had he stayed. I tend to believe our last 7 years would be a lot better than they were, but not nearly as good as anyone would have wanted. So we likely would have been miserable.
But kind of a silly thread considering they went as far as we did. I tend to not root for him because it’s like an ex that leaves you…but I also don’t root against him because he is an ex that we would have eventually left.
i agree but your post implied that he is not getting support NOW. Disingenuous at best. He has support. He has money for his assistants and has recruited well. I have always honestly thought his lack of success comes from his lack of cool under pressure. Or just his general manic sideline demeanor fails him at key times.
I saw that stat on the broadcast yesterday (that we haven’t been to the Sweet 16 since 09) and couldn’t believe it. I thought we made it a time or two afterwards. I guess our peak era of success was shorter than my old brain remembers.
I always thought his biggest failing was in recruiting. He was great at elevating and winning with lesser recruited guys. But that generally cracks in the tournament where you are facing tougher teams every game. His biggest success here came when we had a few NBA level guys on the team at the same time.
I still root for him and hope he has a late career NCAAT run in him.
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They lost because they played an experienced, talented, higher seeded team with an elite coach and an elite big man that was better than them in pretty much every measurable way. TCU put up a good fight. No shame in that loss.
So he’s someone that Rutgers Larry (or Iowa State Al or the Cyclone Dude or whatever) would chastise as a guy not committed to winning the entire tournament 😂
I root for JD , I had several interactions with him and he was actually quite engaging and how can anyone look past all the great yrs he gave Pitt bb . For whatever reasons he’s just never had tournament success here .
Watching that game made me wonder what’s in the water down there in Texas !
Considering what happened here after he left and what he’s accomplished at TCU not appreciating his coaching skills makes me question your understanding the game .
Watching that game made me wonder what’s in the water down there in Texas !
Considering what happened here after he left and what he’s accomplished at TCU not appreciating his coaching skills makes me question your understanding the game .
Clean? He's hired package deal assistants, one of whom is thought to be dirty and had a completely different assistant get a show cause by the NCAA for the FBI wiretap case. They were actively trying to buy players.
Why was it too early? Gonzaga was the higher seed and favored.
It’s the misfortune (or acquiescence if some like Rutgers Larry prefer) to work for schools that aren’t All In on winning championships. Think about the anecdotes of Jamie’s clashing with Pitt admin on going with the elite but more shady and greedy recruits…they slammed him down. TCU seemed to be more pliable at first on this, giving him filthy assistants and liberal use of bag men… but when it didn’t immediately get them a championship, the dirt meter seems to have gone back to the low/intermediate level he had at Pitt. We’ll cheat a tiny bit, we’ll pay players a tiny bit, but nothing that would embarrass our effete trustees and chancellor.
What you get with that attitude is typically a .500 team. Jamie did far, far better than that. It’s a testimony to his coaching. Problem is elite talent is what ends up prevailing in the tournament and his team’s inevitably runs into teams with that.
Whether BN ( Before NIL) or AN (After NIL), championships require filth. Deny it all you like or point to a freak occurrence for the ages like Wichita or whatever, but ultimately we all see who wins.
Stop it. I cant stand this narrative that its so hard to win at TCU. They never took basketball seriously and were in the WAC and Mountain West for 25 years before joining the Big 12. If Robert Morris joined the ACC, Big East, or Big Ten, committed the same level of resources as TCU did, and hired a Dixon-level coach, they'd be a semi-consistent NCAAT team quickly and everyone would be saying "do you know how hard it is to win there, no one has done it." No shit, because they were playing a different sport essentially. TCU made a commitment to big boy college basketball. Anyone can win if they do that and hire a good coach.
You have no clue and are one to talk with your ignorant rants. I've personally have known coach for several years and he is a great human being. Without being paid he made several appearances for our fundraisers and continues to send items for our events . Also he saved 2 women from a burning car on the Parkway while several others zoomed by. Great guy as well coach that won championships for us in the regular season and Big East tourneys. He was the coach for us in the golden years of Pitt basketball. I still appreciate what he did here at Pitt and has put TCU back on the basketball map. Some of you live miserable lives. H2P!!!!!
So Capel has outperformed Dixon at Pitt from a tourney perspective?
Capel 2-1 plus one "underseed" win 11 over 6?
Dixon: 13-14 lost to lower seeds 8X
Capel 2-1 plus one "underseed" win 11 over 6?
Dixon: 13-14 lost to lower seeds 8X
| Seed | Wins | Losses | ||||
| 2003–04 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Sweet 16 | 3 | 2 | 1 | lost to 2 |
| 2004–05 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Round of 64 | 9 | 0 | 1 | lost to 8 |
| 2005–06 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Round of 32 | 5 | 1 | 1 | lost to 13 |
| 2006–07 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Sweet 16 | 3 | 2 | 1 | lost to 2 |
| 2007–08 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Round of 32 | 4 | 1 | 1 | lost to 5 |
| 2008–09 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Elite Eight | 1 | 2 | 1 | lost to 4 |
| 2009–10 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Round of 32 | 3 | 1 | 1 | lost to 6 |
| 2010–11 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Round of 32 | 1 | 1 | 1 | lost to 8 |
| 2012–13 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Round of 64 | 8 | 0 | 1 | lost to 9 |
| 2013–14 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Round of 32 | 9 | 1 | 1 | Beat an 8 |
| 2015–16 | Pittsburgh | NCAA Division I Round of 64 | 10 | 0 | 1 | lost to 7 |
| 2017–18 | TCU | NCAA Division I Round of 64 | 6 | 0 | 1 | lost to 11 |
| 2021–22 | TCU | NCAA Division I Round of 32 | 9 | 1 | 1 | lost to 11 |
| 2022–23 | TCU | NCAA Division I Round of 32 | 6 | 1 | 1 | lost to 3 |
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some day I might understand the Dixon hate in these parts...just not today yet..
If one can ignore the crappy previous six seasons, sure give Capel a statue.
(Need to add the requisite context that this was a great season, and as mentioned above Pitt unwillingness to get in the sewer is most of the issue with our mediocrity, not Capel or Dixon … though Barnes/Stallings with their garbage would have lost no matter what. Dixon was suffering too but would have still won at least somewhat more than Capel the previous 6 years and 195% as much as Barnes/Stallings. If all that matters is Pitt winning a couple games unexpectedly in the tournament ONCE FINALLY GETTING THERE, the sample is pretty small, but ok, give that to Capel if you must. Though Dixon might well have actually MADE the tournament in some of the previous decade, unlike Capel and Barnes/Stallings… Gallagher, who ended up a bad chancellor all the way around, foreshadowed this way back then and should have been fired and Barnes should STILL be shot for destroying the program for so long. BUT great season this year though. Ok end the rant)
What did you expect? Did you expect him to keep dong the same things and expect a different result, he is still Jamie Dixon at his dream job
1) the guy wasnt at Pitt (or now at TCU) to get on people's Christmas Card list .
2) your assessment couldn't be more incorrect.
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