Jay Wright...

[cease10]

I don't think he gets as much credit as he should for the job that he's done at Villanova.

I remember back in our heyday, I used thought that we were better than Nova. I thought that Dixon was a contemporary to Wright and maybe even better. Man was I wrong!

Wright has lapped Dixon more than once and made Nova to be the premier program in the Northeast.

The man is a legend.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I don't think he gets as much credit as he should for the job that he's done at Villanova.

I remember back in our heyday, I used thought that we were better than Nova. I thought that Dixon was a contemporary to Wright and maybe even better. Man was I wrong!

Wright has lapped Dixon more than once and made Nova to be the premier program in the Northeast.

The man is a legend.

Incredible that Dixon was once the far better coach.

The most amazing thing about Wright is he's had like 0 misses in 15 years. He recruits in the 50-150 range and every single one of those kids becomes a contributior. Books should be written on the way he's done it.

 

[wbrpanther]

Incredible that Dixon was once the far better coach.

The most amazing thing about Wright is he's had like 0 misses in 15 years. He recruits in the 50-150 range and every single one of those kids becomes a contributior. Books should be written on the way he's done it.

Just to clarify, Dixon was never a “far better” coach than Wright.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Just to clarify, Dixon was never a “far better” coach than Wright.

Maybe not far better but if you asked people back then: Wright or Dixon, Pitt or Nova. People would have picked Pitt and Dixon. Where Wright excelled was his almost impossible eye for talent in that narrow 50-150 range.

 

[New York Panther]

The most amazing thing about Wright is he's had like 0 misses in 15 years. He recruits in the 50-150 range and every single one of those kids becomes a contributior.

Jahvon Quinerly is at least one example of a miss. As a 5-star, he was there for one year and averaged 3.2 ppg.

 

[TUOwlsFan2004]

Just to clarify, Dixon was never a “far better” coach than Wright.

Yes he was. Jay went back to the drawing board and overhauled everything in 2012 after their train wreck season

 

[wbrpanther]

Yes he was. Jay went back to the drawing board and overhauled everything in 2012 after their train wreck season

But Dixon wasn’t a far better coach. He had earlier success.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Jahvon Quinerly is at least one example of a miss. As a 5-star, he was there for one year and averaged 3.2 ppg.

Nope. He absolutely wasnt a miss. He didn't play much as a true frosh. Oh well. A lot of kids dont. Nova is similar to old Pitt in that they wait their turn and win with juniors and seniors. Quinerly had 2 excellent seasons at Alabama. Not a miss. But an example of a player who wasn't patient enough so I'll give you that.

Jay doesn't miss on talent. Its uncanny

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Incredible that Dixon was once the far better coach.

The most amazing thing about Wright is he's had like 0 misses in 15 years. He recruits in the 50-150 range and every single one of those kids becomes a contributior. Books should be written on the way he's done it.

I dunno about "far" but yeah the Pitt program and Jamie would be above Jay Wright and Villanova.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Nope. He absolutely wasnt a miss. He didn't play much as a true frosh. Oh well. A lot of kids dont. Nova is similar to old Pitt in that they wait their turn and win with juniors and seniors. Quinerly had 2 excellent seasons at Alabama. Not a miss. But an example of a player who wasn't patient enough so I'll give you that.

Jay doesn't miss on talent. Its uncanny

Yeah Quinerly was by far not a miss. Anyone watching Alabama play over the past few years. He absolutely was one of the quickest guys with the basketball as I have ever seen.

 

[New York Panther]

Not a miss.

He was a miss according to your definition that "every single one of those kids becomes a contributor." Unless you consider a 3.2 average and leaving after one year being a contributor. But not a miss for Alabama.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Not a miss for Alabama.

If you want to call him a miss because he transferred, fine. But I was talking about his uncanny eye for talent. He's had very close to 0 misses on talent. Its unheard of. Also the fact he's had very few transfer out and wait their turn helped tremendously.

 

[New York Panther]

If you want to call him a miss because he transferred, fine. But I was talking about his uncanny eye for talent. He's had very close to 0 misses on talent. Its unheard of. Also the fact he's had very few transfer out and wait their turn helped tremendously.

You didn't talk about Wright's uncanny eye for talent or very few transfers out in your original post. What you said was that "every single one of those kids becomes a contributor." I am calling Quinerly a miss because he contributed very little in the one year he was there, not because he transferred.

 

[cease10]

I dunno about "far" but yeah the Pitt program and Jamie would be above Jay Wright and Villanova.

Nova had more tournament success during the Dixon years and that's what matters most. Dixon's downfall.

Dixon could have never been above Wright. I only thought that because of Pitt bias.

 

[Franb]

I don't think he gets as much credit as he should for the job that he's done at Villanova.

I remember back in our heyday, I used thought that we were better than Nova. I thought that Dixon was a contemporary to Wright and maybe even better. Man was I wrong!

Wright has lapped Dixon more than once and made Nova to be the premier program in the Northeast.

The man is a legend.

Wright has had a better career, by far. But they coached against each other in the Big East, for 10 years, and during that time Dixon was 115-57, while Wright was 99-73. Wright's best years came after the Big East breakup.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You didn't talk about Wright's uncanny eye for talent or very few transfers out in your original post. What you said was that "every single one of those kids becomes a contributor." I am calling Quinerly a miss because he contributed very little in the one year he was there, not because he transferred.

HE WAS A TRUE FRESHMAN. A true freshman at upperclass-laden Villanova not contributing is not even close to being a miss. As I said, if you want to call him a miss because he wasn't patient, then fine.

 

[buckage]

I don't think he gets as much credit as he should for the job that he's done at Villanova.

I remember back in our heyday, I used thought that we were better than Nova. I thought that Dixon was a contemporary to Wright and maybe even better. Man was I wrong!

Wright has lapped Dixon more than once and made Nova to be the premier program in the Northeast.

The man is a legend.

He's the best coach in the country.

 

[New York Panther]

HE WAS A TRUE FRESHMAN. A true freshman at upperclass-laden Villanova not contributing is not even close to being a miss. As I said, if you want to call him a miss because he wasn't patient, then fine.

Your definition keeps shifting, SMF. It's hard to hit a moving target. But may I remind you, once again, that you said "every single one of those kids becomes a contributor." Quinerly was one of those kids, but he did not become a contributor, regardless of whatever reason you want to throw against the wall.

 

[joeydavid]

I don't think he gets as much credit as he should for the job that he's done at Villanova.

I remember back in our heyday, I used thought that we were better than Nova. I thought that Dixon was a contemporary to Wright and maybe even better. Man was I wrong!

Wright has lapped Dixon more than once and made Nova to be the premier program in the Northeast.

The man is a legend.

This isn't meant as a knock on Wright. He was running the 7th, 8th or 9th best program in the BE until Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, etc left. He took advantage of playing in a greatly reduced league to elevate his program.

Without the old BE imploding - Jay never finds this level of success.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Your definition keeps shifting, SMF. It's hard to hit a moving target. But may I remind you, once again, that you said "every single one of those kids becomes a contributor." Quinerly was one of those kids, but he did not become a contributor, regardless of whatever reason you want to throw against the wall.

You sound like Joe. Do I always have to put disclaimers in? He didn't contribute much as a true freshman and then left. Its assumed I wasn't talking about very talented freshmen who transferred. Wright doesn't miss on talent and he didn't miss on Quinerly from a talent standpoint.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This isn't meant as a knock on Wright. He was running the 7th, 8th or 9th best program in the BE until Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, etc left. He took advantage of playing in a greatly reduced league to elevate his program.

Without the old BE imploding - Jay never finds this level of success.

I agree to a point. Nobody did better in conference realignment than Villanova.

 

[New York Panther]

You sound like Joe. Do I always have to put disclaimers in? He didn't contribute much as a true freshman and then left. Its assumed I wasn't talking about very talented freshmen who transferred. Wright doesn't miss on talent and he didn't miss on Quinerly from a talent standpoint.

And on you go.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

And on you go.

Because I'm right. He correctly identified and sign a very talented player in Quinerly. To Wright's fault, he couldn't get him to be patient like 99% of his other players.

 

[cease10]

This isn't meant as a knock on Wright. He was running the 7th, 8th or 9th best program in the BE until Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, etc left. He took advantage of playing in a greatly reduced league to elevate his program.

Without the old BE imploding - Jay never finds this level of success.

🤔He had 2 sweet 16s, 1 Elite 8, 1 Final 4 in the old BE. He was already on his way.

He also ran 1st, 2nd, 3rd in the old BE. He was down during the latter years of the old BE, but he already had established himself.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

🤔He had 2 sweet 16s, 1 Elite 8, 1 Final 4 in the old BE. He was already on his way.

He also ran 1st, 2nd, 3rd in the old BE. He was down during the latter years of the old BE, but he already had established himself.

I do think that if the old BE never broke up, he wouldn't have won 2 NCs and reached almost blue blood status. Pitt might have still been Pitt. UConn, Syracuse, WVU may have been just as strong. He was the benefactor of Pitt, Syr, and UConn getting bad in their new leagues (save for UConn's miracle run as a 7 seed). His main competition in the NE was SHU and Providence.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You sound like Joe.

Imagine that. Someone else holding you to what your words actually mean rather than what you say they were supposed to have meant after someone points out that what you originally said was silly.

The nerve!

 

[joeydavid]

🤔He had 2 sweet 16s, 1 Elite 8, 1 Final 4 in the old BE. He was already on his way.

He also ran 1st, 2nd, 3rd in the old BE. He was down during the latter years of the old BE, but he already had established himself.

In the 7 years before the conference shift, the results weren't good other than 1 year (maybe 2 if you ignore a round of 32 loss).

Like I said, he was running the 7th through 9th best program in the BE.

Post break-up they are #1 in the subpar version of the BE. Good for him to take advantage of a weak league.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Imagine that. Someone else holding you to what your words actually mean rather than what you say they were supposed to have meant after someone points out that what you originally said was silly.

The nerve!

Disclaimers shouldn't be needed. You were the only one who called me out on the Gonzaga technicality and he's the only one who mentioned that Quinerly technicality. The content I provide is for the 99% who don't need disclaimers for every random situation. It is easy to understand that the point I was making is that Wright doesn't miss on talent.

*Disclaimer* for Joe - Jay Wright probably did have a few actual misses. I didn't look up every player for the last 15 years but it goes without saying that he is probably the best around at identifying talent and getting them to be patient and grow with the program

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Disclaimers shouldn't be needed.

You're are absolutely right, they shouldn't be. You should say what you actually mean. Because most people assume that you actually mean what you say.



"Every time I flip this coin it comes up heads!"
"What are you talking about, I just saw you flip it and it came up tails?"
"Come on man, clearly I'm not talking about all the times it came up tails. Do I really need to put a disclaimer on everything?"

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You're are absolutely right, they shouldn't be. You should say what you actually mean. Because most people assume that you actually mean what you say.



"Every time I flip this coin it comes up heads!"
"What are you talking about, I just saw you flip it and it came up tails?"
"Come on man, clearly I'm not talking about all the times it came up tails. Do I really need to put a disclaimer on everything?"

Nope. I dont care to say "Jay Wright has only missed on talent 4 times in his career, not counting true freshman who transferred after 1 year." I'll just say he never misses and everyone but you and NYP will be cool with it

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Nope. I dont care to say "Jay Wright has only missed on talent 4 times in his career, not counting true freshman who transferred after 1 year." I'll just say he never misses and everyone but you and NYP will be cool with it

Actually everyone will be laughing at you.

You just don't realize it.

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

Dom cheek was a miss

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Dom cheek was a miss

Wow, we're going back 10 years. He wasn't as good as advertised but he averaged 12.5 in his last year. Again, everyone contributes. He doesn't miss like Jamie or Capel.

***Disclaimer for Joe** Jay Wright probably recruited a few players who did not transfer after their freshman year and never meaningfully contributed.

 

[TUOwlsFan2004]

Jay didn’t “miss” on Quinerly. The kid was an awful fit for Villanova. Jay has avoided kids that are poor fits the last decade but his talent was good enough to overlook. The difference is that he had Gillespie and Moore unlike the years he had Dom Cheek.

And again, Jamie was a far better coach in the Big East. Jay had more resources but recruited at a much higher level. Villanova built the Davis Center, Pitt was practicing in the back gym of the Pete. The thing is when things went south in the years after the Final Four, he went back to the drawing board. Out with the Dom Cheeks, Isaiah Armwoods, Markus Kennedys of the world,

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Jay didn’t “miss” on Quinerly. The kid was an awful fit for Villanova. Jay has avoided kids that are poor fits the last decade but his talent was good enough to overlook. The difference is that he had Gillespie and Moore unlike the years he had Dom Cheek.

And again, Jamie was a far better coach in the Big East. Jay had more resources but recruited at a much higher level. Villanova built the Davis Center, Pitt was practicing in the back gym of the Pete. The thing is when things went south in the years after the Final Four, he went back to the drawing board. Out with the Dom Cheeks, Isaiah Armwoods, Markus Kennedys of the world,

I don't get the myth that Pitt not having a separate basketball practice facility is some disadvantage. Its practice facility is The Pete which is nicer than 95% of other team's facilities. Instead of having a separate practice gym and weightroon, its practice gym and weightroom are in the Pete. The weightroom needed updated and got it but its not an excuse that we are losing recruits because teams like WVU, Nova, Providence, Grown play games in decrepit arenas or off-campus but have separate practice gyms.

 

[New York Panther]

Because I'm right.

Of course you're right, as you always are - at least in your mind.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Of course you're right, as you always are - at least in your mind.

I will put disclaimers in next time for you and Joe. Wright landing a very talented player who didn't play much as a freshman isnt a miss on talent. You can call it a miss because he didn't wait his turn. I'm fine with that. Wright rarely misses on talent. Just about everyone contributes. Notice I didn't say everyone because I figured you and Joe would point out 6 Nova players in the last 10 years who didn't contribute.

 

[New York Panther]

I will put disclaimers in next time for you and Joe. Wright landing a very talented player who didn't play much as a freshman isnt a miss on talent. You can call it a miss because he didn't wait his turn. I'm fine with that. Wright rarely misses on talent. Just about everyone contributes. Notice I didn't say everyone because I figured you and Joe would point out 6 Nova players in the last 10 years who didn't contribute.

You started out your original post by saying "every single one of those kids becomes a contributor," so your point was quite clear - every single one of those kids becomes a contributor to Vilanova basketball. Quinerly was clearly a talented player as he proved at Alabama, but he never really contributed to Vilanova basketball.

You will, of course, have a response to this, but like all of your responses, you will not acknowledge that you shifted the point you were making from "contributor" to "talent" when you received push back. So this will be my last post on this subject since I don't want to waste my time on this any longer.

 

[upj87]

You started out your original post by saying "every single one of those kids becomes a contributor," so your point was quite clear - every single one of those kids becomes a contributor to Vilanova basketball. Quinerly was clearly a talented player as he proved at Alabama, but he never really contributed to Vilanova basketball.

You will, of course, have a response to this, but like all of your responses, you will not acknowledge that you shifted the point you were making from "contributor" to "talent" when you received push back. So this will be my last post on this subject since I don't want to waste my time on this any longer.

dude has a bright future in politics I'll give him that...

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Not really. He’s uneducated.

We are electing HS dropouts, college 1st semester dropouts, and C students to the highest offices in the land. Have you seen our elected officials?