BTW, that's a very racist comment. That does bother me that you are racist.
Jeff Capel is not the answer
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BTW, that's a very racist comment. That does bother me that you are racist.
Guessing he is talking about the inability to get through to X. The Hugley situation. What seems to be obvious disregard for COVID protocols evidenced by public information tangentially related to the Hugley situation. The inability to achieve team chemistry and unity both this year and last ( Toney, Trey, X)
That seems like a pretty good start.
This was never going to be an easy or quick rebuild. Over the last ten years we've had a rocky transition to a new conference and two coaches who weren't getting it done on the recruiting side (and I'm not knocking Jamie, love him, wish he had stayed but that's a fact). Capel inherited a team that had more in common with a team moving up a level than an established ACC team.
I still have confidence. But he need a better PG and a good young big. We had the big in Hugely but that ship has sailed. I think this team would be doing pretty well right now (,a few wins better at least) if we had Hugely and a floor general, pass first, level-headed PG with perhaps a lower ceiling but more consistency.
I still have confidence. But he need a better PG and a good young big. We had the big in Hugely but that ship has sailed. I think this team would be doing pretty well right now (,a few wins better at least) if we had Hugely and a floor general, pass first, level-headed PG with perhaps a lower ceiling but more consistency.
It's not translating into wins because he's improved the program from an F to a C-.
We're not mystically unlucky this year, we have very inconsistent players translating into very inconsistent results. Our preseason Kenpom rating was #84 and as of today we're #80. We have only a single win against any team likely to get an NCAAT bid.
If anyone was curious, formidable SFPA is currently 5-12 in the NEC with a whopping ONE win over any team better than 300.
I don't see the problem with us being a C level program now given we weren't just an F but an F- (I mean like a 20% grade) when he got hired. We aren't ahead of schedule but I certainly didn't expect us to be further along by this point.
That is pretty accurate. I am just not sure if this would be the standard progress from an F graded team or not.
I am a realist I suppose. And I'm ok if we are a B/B- level team in two years. That's where we were at the end of JDs tenure here. I just want to see continued improvement.
This: Plus McGowens
Also, this was in response to the assertion by a poster that HCJP was not an X's and O's guy, but that he would overcome that with a staff of X's and O's guys and with his "great recruiting ability" and ability as a leader of young men. Evidence that he is above the average, run of the mill ACC/B-10/SEC/Pac-10 coach in the latter two areas is not readily apparent at this point, IMO.
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It's interesting people have continued to stick Capel with the "he can recruit but he can't coach" thing Black coaches get when...sadly, his recruiting hasn't been good enough! For the most part, with maybe one frustrating exception, the team usually plays hard and is locked in. It's just not good enough in depth or even among the starters.
His recruiting has been meh and his coaching thus far in 3 seasons has been blah. That sums it up.
LEonard Hamilton “hold my beer”
Just ignore all that success
Pitt's contract with Capel, with the extension until 2026, gives him more than ample time to rebuild the program. It's a very fair contract to him and to any coach who would have the same options.
Although this year seems a bit better, those first two years it was hard to see what they practiced on offense, everyone standing around with X and Trey slamming into crowds. Anyone's race had nothing to do with it.
You realize that extension is essentially meaningless if either side wants out right? If Pitt wants to go in a different direction they can fire Capel tomorrow if they want to buy him out, just like if he chooses to take a different job Capel is free to go if his new school wants to pay his buyout.
Right but I dont see Pitt buying him out with more than 3 years left though. Maybe they would if it gets really bad.
I agree that 3 would probably be a tough go, 2 a definite maybe.
Don’t think it’s to that point yet at all, was just mentioning that those contract years are pretty much meaningless if you want to get rid of a guy or if he wants to leave.
He has a definite 2 more years. If we fail to make any tournament in that time he is not coming back for year 6. How would Heather justify that? You gotta wonder though, does Heather give him a 6 year if he makes the NIT in year 5? I still say no but she could use that as an excuse that Pitt has progressed somewhat. But really I don't see Capel getting 3 more years if we don't make the dance.
I think it would be very hard to justify letting him go with 4 years left. If things did get that bad, you'd have to think Heather's job would be in jeopardy.
Hypothetically, lets say we finished towards the bottom next year and then made the NIT in Year 5, that's probably enough for him to get a 6th. That team would presumably have Odukale, Jeffress, and Collier coming back for their senior years so there would be the chance of making the NCAAT in Year 6.
This is the really scary part. On paper, I don't think it's possible for us to get a better/more accomplished coach than Capel. Now paper results and results on the court are not the same thing. But if you made me bet, I'd rather bet on a great resume than I would us catching lighting in a bottle again like we did with Jamie Dixon.
If we don't get Capel right, it might be a long, long time again before Pitt is good at basketball.
Even if we get Capel wrong, it should take a new coach 3-4 years to get into the NCAAT. Either you can recruit and you can coach or you cant. If you arent seeing tangible progress by Year 3 and aren't pushing to make the NCAAT by Year 4 its probably never going to happen. Look at Brian Gregory and Jim Christian. On the flipside, look at Steve Pikiell.
Agreed, but the post said there was ample evidence of his inabilities.
I’m waiting.
The thing about “evidence” is that is has to be a fact, not an opinion unless you have been qualified as an expert.
The football program is a lost cause. 6-7 wins forever with that group. It would take a herculean effort to get to 9,10 wins and what does that do? Gets us to the Belk or Pinstripe. Big deal. The basketball program can be really good really quick with the right coach and players.
LoL, Evidence is not necessarily facts, that is why jury's "weigh the evidence". Circumstantial evidence is enough to put people behind bars for life, even with no body, I never went to law school, or college for that matter, but I have been to home plate at Forbes field.
I get it, you believe HCPC is a great recruiter and leader of young men (beyond the average D1 college coach), I am willing to entertain the possibility, but at some point the team chemistry( for example HCJC after three years will have to say of his top player, "X has really bought in and is a huge leader on this team" not "I have tried everything and cannot get him change", (that is evidence by the way) and recruiting will have to improve (You know lots of high rated players signed etc,, which will be more evidence which is not there at this point), better yet, none of these things happen and he starts to win consistently which will put to rest the notation he is not an x's and o's guy and will solve some of these team chemistry problems, even if he is not a great recruiter and supreme leader of young men.
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So you're saying if the only tournament Capel has made in 5 years was the NIT Heather would bring him back for a 6th year? I'm not sure on that. Obv Heather hired Capel so she is very invested in him succeeding here but I still think he has to make 1 NCAA Tournament to get a 6th year.
Definitely though if he misses both tournaments in the next 2 years he has to be gone then. Heather cannot bring him back for a 6th season if Pitt didn't make the NCAA's or NIT at all in 5 years. No way.
In the 5th year NIT only scenario it could depend on where recruiting is and trajectory. If recruiting is stronger and things aren’t flat or seem to be going backwards as the season goes then maybe it merits a 6th.
Although I wasn’t expecting a bid by now I thought we’d be a little further along. And people can talk about JCs and transfers all they want but 2021 recruiting is a concern. Not sure I can be optimistic about getting JCs and transfers at a level that will matter. I know some coaches have pulled that off but that route should largely be to fill a gap on a good team. We have a giant ditch right now.
What concerns me the most are the late season collapses. That to me shows that there are some glaring deficiencies with the way Capel and his staff coach. 3 straight years here of that and it happened a bunch at his previous head coaching positions. I think Capel really needs to revamp his staff in the offseason and that includes his brother. I think that's his only chance of succeeding here imo. Right now we're not getting those top recruits so you actually need to coach. And he seems to not be very good at doing that.
I doubt he’s ever gonna consistently be at that high end in recruiting. And if he’s not very good at coaching as some say then I am not optimistic. I am reluctant to bring it up but the Howland/Dixon model was what I hoped for. Good players and good coaching. I said the same when Narduzzi was hired. Was hoping they’d be able to outplay the rankings like they did at MSU for so long. That’s clearly not happened.
I don’t know enough about assistants and coaching overall to comment but there are troubling signs for sure.
No. Even circumstantial evidence is fact based. Juries weigh facts, not opinion and opinion is not allowed into evidence unless it is offered by an expert as deemed by the court.
One is entitled to ones own opinion, but one is not entitled to ones own facts.
Okay the facts are that after the first 5 games of ACC play in Capel's 3 seasons, his teams are a combined 6-30. Those are the facts. He is not a good coach and his staff sucks too.
Correct, which brings us back full circle there is little evidence at Pitt that HCJC is a "great" recruiter and charismatic leader of young men.
So am I and what bothers me is the brother making $3million can't coach defense any better than the boy who coaches my local middle school team. FACT.
His staff is one of the worst if not the worst in the conference
I am sure all of them are fine coaches. Capel needs better recruiters more than anything
His brother was lousy as the head guy at App St and hasn’t really shown all that much as an assistant.
So Capel was the guy who nailed all those great players at Duke? He probably picked up the kids at the airport and sat quietly while K closed the deal. JK.
