Jerry Jones says that...

[wbrpanther]

"it's absurd to say there's a relationship between CTE and playing football". I suppose the jury is still out on evolution too.

In my opinion Jerry must suffer from CTE...from his days playing football.

 

[pierre93]

"it's absurd to say there's a relationship between CTE and playing football". I suppose the jury is still out on evolution too.

In my opinion Jerry must suffer from CTE...from his days playing football.

He doesn't suffer from lack of $$$$......

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"it's absurd to say there's a relationship between CTE and playing football". I suppose the jury is still out on evolution too.

In my opinion Jerry must suffer from CTE...from his days playing football.

It is not just CTE, the Players also suffer from Chronic Arthritis, Heart, and Lung problems. The Human body was not meant to take that kind of punishment. I was at a Seminar in the 1990s, a group of Physicists and Doctors reported a Study on what impact of one hour of playing football causes on the body.

They concluded that playing one hour of Pro Football was equivalent to wearing Full Football Gear and then run 30 feet at full speed and throw your entire body into a garage door and do it 35 times? This is what they are doing to their bodies and when one is running towards another and both smack down together the pressure is even higher.

Funny, but we learned the Game Broadcasts last 3 Hours but Actual Playing Time from Snap to Whistle is only 11 to 17 Minutes? Yet, it those minutes when they are slamming their bodies into each other. All the rest is huddles, Play Calling, Time Outs, Showing the Crowd, Instant Replay, Ref Checks, Commercials etc etc.

When you add Player condition all year around too and some take drugs for pain and growth, you now know the Average Playing Career for an NFL Player is a little over 2 years down from 5 in 1980s. NFL Pension can be earned at 3.5 Years. Over 70% Players are often Bankrupted 5 years after they retire too?

 

[NewKen2013]

The thing with football and CTE is that football got sucked into it and it caught them a bit off guard. CTE was discovered because neurologists were looking at effects of repeated head trauma in boxers specifically. When they found some neurological degeneration, a link was formed. They then began to link other contact sports to CTE and football had the target on its back.

CTE can only be truly diagnosed at autopsy. So when a story comes out that someone living has CTE, that's not true. They may be living with a symptom of CTE, but a diagnosis is impossible until after death. As someone who has performed thousands of autopsies, the average male brain is roughly 1335 grams. Old school thought was that brains shrink over time. New research suggests that isn't true. Diseased brains shrink.

This is a serious issue with neurological health. But, it's not just football, it hockey, boxing, MMA, soccer as well. And it's not just memory issues. CTE can cause anger, depression, erectile dysfunction, dementia, Alzheimer's, ALS. Is there a solution? Not for me to decide. But the reward comes with a HIGH risk

 

[pittdan77]

The thing with football and CTE is that football got sucked into it and it caught them a bit off guard. CTE was discovered because neurologists were looking at effects of repeated head trauma in boxers specifically. When they found some neurological degeneration, a link was formed. They then began to link other contact sports to CTE and football had the target on its back.

CTE can only be truly diagnosed at autopsy. So when a story comes out that someone living has CTE, that's not true. They may be living with a symptom of CTE, but a diagnosis is impossible until after death. As someone who has performed thousands of autopsies, the average male brain is roughly 1335 grams. Old school thought was that brains shrink over time. New research suggests that isn't true. Diseased brains shrink.

This is a serious issue with neurological health. But, it's not just football, it hockey, boxing, MMA, soccer as well. And it's not just memory issues. CTE can cause anger, depression, erectile dysfunction, dementia, Alzheimer's, ALS. Is there a solution? Not for me to decide. But the reward comes with a HIGH risk

I think the fact that CTE cannot be tested in the living scares doctors. Unless they can draw some blood or take some pictures and go "look, there's the problem", they seem to not want to treat a patient or look at the symptoms. What the world needs is a name for a series of symptoms that we can call "pre-CTE" or whatever they want to call it. This way, the treatment these guys need can be more easily gotten.

Jerry Jones is Jerry Jones. He's not going to do anything that slows down his money train.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"pittdan77, post: 1148736, member: 3668"]I think the fact that CTE cannot be tested in the living scares doctors. Unless they can draw some blood or take some pictures and go "look, there's the problem", they seem to not want to treat a patient or look at the symptoms. What the world needs is a name for a series of symptoms that we can call "pre-CTE" or whatever they want to call it. This way, the treatment these guys need can be more easily gotten.

Jerry Jones is Jerry Jones. He's not going to do anything that slows down his money train.
Agree, but Mother's that care about their sons and Social Media will impact on the future of Football just like it had on Boxing. It will become a Gladiators Sport but if it remains popular it will change like they doing now in practices and how one tackles and new rules when violations occur.

 

[OriginalEther]

"it's absurd to say there's a relationship between CTE and playing football". I suppose the jury is still out on evolution too.

In my opinion Jerry must suffer from CTE...from his days playing football.

Well, he is in Texas....

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"NewKen2013, post: 1148538, member: 4778"]The thing with football and CTE is that football got sucked into it and it caught them a bit off guard. CTE was discovered because neurologists were looking at effects of repeated head trauma in boxers specifically. When they found some neurological degeneration, a link was formed. They then began to link other contact sports to CTE and football had the target on its back.

CTE can only be truly diagnosed at autopsy. So when a story comes out that someone living has CTE, that's not true. They may be living with a symptom of CTE, but a diagnosis is impossible until after death. As someone who has performed thousands of autopsies, the average male brain is roughly 1335 grams. Old school thought was that brains shrink over time. New research suggests that isn't true. Diseased brains shrink.

This is a serious issue with neurological health. But, it's not just football, it hockey, boxing, MMA, soccer as well. And it's not just memory issues. CTE can cause anger, depression, erectile dysfunction, dementia, Alzheimer's, ALS. Is there a solution? Not for me to decide. But the reward comes with a HIGH risk
All true based on talking with someone that works that area over Thanksgiving.

Have a very close friend whose son is Department Chairman of Leading Elite Brain Research University. He tells me there is great progress in being made in reducing the protein build up on CTE with laser treatment developments. He also has said, Brain Implants Devices on just 5 years off for future integration and changing even faster than Top Neurological Research Department ever expected. He said few know it, but Neurological Studies only started in 1870s.

When I went there to visit once they had 50 to 60 Monkeys in Cages with wires to their Brain and they use such Research to dissect the Brain by splicing those shocks later like splicing thin Prosciutto at samples by sample to see the effects.

He said they have determined when an animal has recognized something but still searching for what happens after they have that recognition and where that recognition actually comes from in the brain. He says many Neurological Research Department are working on where the Decision Making Process is located in the Brain and the one or Team that discovers it will win the Nobel Prize.

Like the Deep Ocean's on Earth that need exploring he said, the Brain is the Last Frontier of the Human Body that is need far more research than anything else right now and know very little even with years of research now happening.

THE NFL and NCAA will address it as a popular and money making Sport but like you say, I can see the Assumption of the Risk will big payouts will prevail even at a greater cost to the Human Body. They will help pay for research and donate such Brains too for the Research.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Well, he is in Texas....

From Arkansas and was good friends with Jimmy Johnson until he fired him, thinking he knows more than any Owner or Coach. I asked him to donate something to the Pittsburgh Silent Auction Heart Association Ball once and he sent a cheap item with his and Barry Switzer signature. Roger Staubach sent 10 Items with his signature and this was the year when the Steeler's lost to Cowboys!

Jerry is one of the Owners that want to eliminate Revenue Sharing, Salary Caps and have Total Free Agency every year in the NFL so he cam make the Cowboys in the bigger markets dominate the league like the Yankees used to do buying up the Best Players.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

It is not just CTE, the Players also suffer from Chronic Arthritis, Heart, and Lung problems. The Human body was not meant to take that kind of punishment. I was at a Seminar in the 1990s, a group of Physicists and Doctors reported a Study on what impact of one hour of playing football causes on the body.

They concluded that playing one hour of Pro Football was equivalent to wearing Full Football Gear and then run 30 feet at full speed and throw your entire body into a garage door and do it 35 times? This is what they are doing to their bodies and when one is running towards another and both smack down together the pressure is even higher.

Funny, but we learned the Game Broadcasts last 3 Hours but Actual Playing Time from Snap to Whistle is only 11 to 17 Minutes? Yet, it those minutes when they are slamming their bodies into each other. All the rest is huddles, Play Calling, Time Outs, Showing the Crowd, Instant Replay, Ref Checks, Commercials etc etc.

When you add Player condition all year around too and some take drugs for pain and growth, you now know the Average Playing Career for an NFL Player is a little over 2 years down from 5 in 1980s. NFL Pension can be earned at 3.5 Years. Over 70% Players are often Bankrupted 5 years after they retire too?

Good points but most jobs have occupational hazards.
For example:
Police & Firefighters have jobs with lots of risk and physical demands that could leave them them with physical disabilities or cause their death.at a young age.
Airline pilots experience a high incidence of skin cancer due to flying above 35,000 ft and a high risk of alcohol and drug dependencies.
Doctors work long stressful hours, being on their feet long periods of time, and also suffer from mental disorders, alcohol/drug dependencies, etc.
ParaMedics risk acquiring contagious and life threatening diseases being exposed to blood and bodily fluids when treating people in emergencies.
Construction worker, miners, have physically demanding high risk jobs etc.
The list is long!

Lots of these guys didn't take good care of themselves after they stopped playing resulting in a lot of their disabilities ( overweight, drinking, smoking, burning the candle from both ends, not staying in shape, etc.)

The reason some are bankrupt is due to their personal behavior not the game they played.

They all know the risks going in and I don't see a lot of them turning the NFL down but some are leaving early. This CTE allegation has been floating around since the Lyle Alzado days!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

="BuffetParrothead, post: 1150029, member: 23369"]Good points but most jobs have occupational hazards.
For example:
Police & Firefighters have jobs with lots of risk and physical demands that could leave them them with physical disabilities or cause their death.at a young age. Airline pilots experience a high incidence of skin cancer due to flying above 35,000 ft and a high risk of alcohol and drug dependencies. Doctors work long stressful hours, being on their feet long periods of time, and also suffer from mental disorders, alcohol/drug dependencies, etc. ParaMedics risk acquiring contagious and life threatening diseases being exposed to blood and bodily fluids when treating people in emergencies. Construction worker, miners, have physically demanding high risk jobs etc. The list is long!
Very true!

Lots of these guys didn't take good care of themselves after they stopped playing resulting in a lot of their disabilities ( overweight, drinking, smoking, burning the candle from both ends, not staying in shape, etc.)
Exactly what many said in the PBS Frontline Series on playing in the NFL.

The reason some are bankrupt is due to their personal behavior not the game they played.
One of the Top Reasons Number was Child Support Payments not just poor Financial Planning.

They all know the risks going in and I don't see a lot of them turning the NFL down but some are leaving early. This CTE allegation has been floating around since the Lyle Alzado days!
Pop Warner Leagues are down and expected to go to flag football. One of the Studies shows the younger the Brain the easier to damage it before being an Adult? So little known and so much more Research needed.

 

[topdecktiger]

"it's absurd to say there's a relationship between CTE and playing football". I suppose the jury is still out on evolution too.

In my opinion Jerry must suffer from CTE...from his days playing football.

What he should have said is that it's absurd to all of a sudden get up in arms about football being dangerous. Football has always been dangerous. Teddy Roosevelt almost banned the game in 1905, because people were getting killed playing it. The problem is that people don't react to something being dangerous until it has a specific label. You have had people getting hurt, pretty severely, for over 100 years playing football, but it's only until doctors invented the official-sounding term "CTE" that people all of a sudden started saying, "Hey, football is dangerous!" Well duh. You can figure that out just by watching the game. These guys have to play in a full suit of armor. That's a pretty good clue it's dangerous. People should have been using common sense a long time ago, instead of now getting upset at the NFL for not pointing out something that was obvious to them at the very beginning.

 

[pittdan77]

Good points but most jobs have occupational hazards.
For example:
Police & Firefighters have jobs with lots of risk and physical demands that could leave them them with physical disabilities or cause their death.at a young age.
Airline pilots experience a high incidence of skin cancer due to flying above 35,000 ft and a high risk of alcohol and drug dependencies.
Doctors work long stressful hours, being on their feet long periods of time, and also suffer from mental disorders, alcohol/drug dependencies, etc.
ParaMedics risk acquiring contagious and life threatening diseases being exposed to blood and bodily fluids when treating people in emergencies.
Construction worker, miners, have physically demanding high risk jobs etc.
The list is long!

Lots of these guys didn't take good care of themselves after they stopped playing resulting in a lot of their disabilities ( overweight, drinking, smoking, burning the candle from both ends, not staying in shape, etc.)

The reason some are bankrupt is due to their personal behavior not the game they played.

They all know the risks going in and I don't see a lot of them turning the NFL down but some are leaving early. This CTE allegation has been floating around since the Lyle Alzado days!

Right here is the problem.

If football was really the same as these other "jobs", there would have been changes to make it safer by now. The regulators would have stepped in by now.

Many times, these guys have issues that vary from depression to financial problems that have everything to do with damaged brains. That is a fact. Personal behavior isn't all just self discipline. Trying to live your life when few things make sense is difficult, at best.

Last thing I'll say is, today, the risks are well known. That hasn't been the case for a long, long time. Took the league to make a rule to get teams to take it seriously.

 

[colingrant2]

"it's absurd to say there's a relationship between CTE and playing football". I suppose the jury is still out on evolution too.

In my opinion Jerry must suffer from CTE...from his days playing football.

Capitalist use facts when they support making money. When they don't, facts are dismissed, denied, attacked and deemed nonsensical. CTE threatens making money. He sees his long term investment taking a hit, although it won't be realized in his lifetime.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Right here is the problem.

If football was really the same as these other "jobs", there would have been changes to make it safer by now. The regulators would have stepped in by now.

Many times, these guys have issues that vary from depression to financial problems that have everything to do with damaged brains. That is a fact. Personal behavior isn't all just self discipline. Trying to live your life when few things make sense is difficult, at best.

Last thing I'll say is, today, the risks are well known. That hasn't been the case for a long, long time. Took the league to make a rule to get teams to take it seriously.

All of the professions that I mentioned have been heavily regulated to make things safer including protective equipment, required inspection of equipment, workplace oversite ( OSHA, MSHA, etc.) regulating hours worked, required testing, etc & on and on. Same as football!
The CTE issue is a lot like some of the "new" syndromes that have surfaced in the past 10 years.
The squeaky wheel gets a lot of attention in this country (unfortunately).
In addition the 24/7/365 days a year media loves the newest story so they can baffle the general public who mostly focus on internet or social media headlines and one liners!

I find it interesting that you feel your opinion is the only and defining opinion on this topic which is typical for this "free" board. If you are so prominent in this field I doubt you'd be wasting your time on here.

Free stuff or opinions are usually not worth much are there?!

That's why I offer my opinion not as gosphel but just a an opinion on a not so high quality message board!

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Capitalist use facts when they support making money. When they don't, facts are dismissed, denied, attacked and deemed nonsensical. CTE threatens making money. He sees his long term investment taking a hit, although it won't be realized in his lifetime.

Fyi if it wasn't for capitalists you'd be eating bark off trees in a hollowed out wood bowl!

 

[pittdan77]

All of the professions that I mentioned have been heavily regulated to make things safer including protective equipment, required inspection of equipment, workplace oversite ( OSHA, MSHA, etc.) regulating hours worked, required testing, etc & on and on. Same as football!
The CTE issue is a lot like some of the "new" syndromes that have surfaced in the past 10 years.
The squeaky wheel gets a lot of attention in this country (unfortunately).
In addition the 24/7/365 days a year media loves the newest story so they can baffle the general public who mostly focus on internet or social media headlines and one liners!

I find it interesting that you feel your opinion is the only and defining opinion on this topic which is typical for this "free" board. If you are so prominent in this field I doubt you'd be wasting your time on here.

Free stuff or opinions are usually not worth much are there?!

That's why I offer my opinion not as gosphel but just a an opinion on a not so high quality message board!

Please, you construct a couple of paragraphs that you present as "facts" then strike out at me because I countered you? Stop.

The information is out there. I find it interesting that you patently dismiss it as the newest syndrome or squeaky wheel because "they all knew the risks". Nobody ever said that they didn't think they could play football without getting smacked in the head. I'd bet most agreed they knew they'd even get a concussion. Will guarantee that none of them had the slightest idea that just getting their head whipped around without any contact, could contribute to such terrible side effects later in life.

It's easy to be dismissive but I can assure you that it is all very, very real. It's okay. I felt the same way once upon a time. Just know what it is like first hand now.