Joe Giglio bowl update

[Sean Miller Fan]

The best source right now and a slight change from what he wrote earlier:



https://www.google.com/amp/amp.newsobserver.com/sports/article222198580.html

Orlando: Syracuse or NC State

Pinstripe: NC State or Syracuse
Gator: Miami
Belk: UVa
Sun: unsure but says a 6-6 team can't go which I don't think is technically true but the ACC would probably only "allow" it in unusual circumstances.

This would mean Pitt, BC, GT, or Duke for the Sun. GT was there in 2012 and 2013 and Duke was there in 2014. Not sure why Pitt just wouldn't end up here but the Sun Bowl President was at BC/Syr game and that Boston Gazette writer thinks they are going there. If the rumors are true that the ACC was putting pressure on the Pinstripe to take Pitt, I'm not sure why they also wouldn't be pressuring the Sun

 

[paulbl99]

Quick first glance at headline caused a wtf.

Thought there was a new Bowl game w a dirty dirty name.

 

[Las Panteras]

The best source right now and a slight change from what he wrote earlier:



https://www.google.com/amp/amp.newsobserver.com/sports/article222198580.html

Orlando: Syracuse or NC State

Pinstripe: NC State or Syracuse
Gator: Miami
Belk: UVa
Sun: unsure but says a 6-6 team can't go which I don't think is technically true but the ACC would probably only "allow" it in unusual circumstances.

This would mean Pitt, BC, GT, or Duke for the Sun. GT was there in 2012 and 2013 and Duke was there in 2014. Not sure why Pitt just wouldn't end up here but the Sun Bowl President was at BC/Syr game and that Boston Gazette writer thinks they are going there. If the rumors are true that the ACC was putting pressure on the Pinstripe to take Pitt, I'm not sure why they also wouldn't be pressuring the Sun

Almost line by line, what I Schooled you on yesterday , correcting you on numerous occasions.

Go ahead....look it up.

 

[panther.fan]

The best source right now and a slight change from what he wrote earlier:



https://www.google.com/amp/amp.newsobserver.com/sports/article222198580.html

Orlando: Syracuse or NC State

Pinstripe: NC State or Syracuse
Gator: Miami
Belk: UVa
Sun: unsure but says a 6-6 team can't go which I don't think is technically true but the ACC would probably only "allow" it in unusual circumstances.

This would mean Pitt, BC, GT, or Duke for the Sun. GT was there in 2012 and 2013 and Duke was there in 2014. Not sure why Pitt just wouldn't end up here but the Sun Bowl President was at BC/Syr game and that Boston Gazette writer thinks they are going there. If the rumors are true that the ACC was putting pressure on the Pinstripe to take Pitt, I'm not sure why they also wouldn't be pressuring the Sun

No reason we shouldn't beat all of those schools out for the sun. None of them travel (I realize that doesn't matter for sun) or are "big name football programs". I can't see the Acc letting them take those 2 coastal teams over us (we won the coastal and beat both of them), and I don't think taking bc over pitt will help their ratings.

On a seperate note, as I watched the basketball game last night, it made me realize how much more exciting the basketball post season is than football. Less politics, everyone and (Not just the same 4-6 teams) has a chance to win (technically). Teams can improve or rebound from a tough ooc schedule and not be in terrible shape. What's the point of winning the coastal if we will never get past the sun or pinstripe bowls? I guess technically in this case we can beat clemson and go to a big 6 bowl, but if we finish 9-3 in second place in the coastal, are we going to do much better than those 2 bowls?

 

[pitt-girl]

No reason we shouldn't beat all of those schools out for the sun. None of them travel (I realize that doesn't matter for sun) or are "big name football programs". I can't see the Acc letting them take those 2 coastal teams over us (we won the coastal and beat both of them), and I don't think taking bc over pitt will help their ratings.

On a seperate note, as I watched the basketball game last night, it made me realize how much more exciting the basketball post season is than football. Less politics, everyone and (Not just the same 4-6 teams) has a chance to win (technically). Teams can improve or rebound from a tough ooc schedule and not be in terrible shape. What's the point of winning the coastal if we will never get past the sun or pinstripe bowls? I guess technically in this case we can beat clemson and go to a big 6 bowl, but if we finish 9-3 in second place in the coastal, are we going to do much better than those 2 bowls?

The NCAAT is arguably the best sports event of the year.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

The NCAAT is arguably the best sports event of the year.

if crowning a 5th place team who lost in the second round of their conference tournament the champion is your cup of tea, then you are correct.

I agree it is a great sporting event but very flawed in determining a true champion. hottest team in March maybe, but not a true champ.

 

[Pitt79]

On a seperate note, as I watched the basketball game last night, it made me realize how much more exciting the basketball post season is than football. Less politics, everyone and (Not just the same 4-6 teams) has a chance to win (technically). Teams can improve or rebound from a tough ooc schedule and not be in terrible shape. What's the point of winning the coastal if we will never get past the sun or pinstripe bowls? I guess technically in this case we can beat clemson and go to a big 6 bowl, but if we finish 9-3 in second place in the coastal, are we going to do much better than those 2 bowls?

THIS^^^^^

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

if crowning a 5th place team who lost in the second round of their conference tournament the champion is your cup of tea, then you are correct.

I agree it is a great sporting event but very flawed in determining a true champion. hottest team in March maybe, but not a true champ.

I would call them the true champion. However, that doesn't mean they were the best team.

Were the NY Giants the true champ when they beat the 18-0 Patriots in a single neutral site game?

 

[Pitt79]

if crowning a 5th place team who lost in the second round of their conference tournament the champion is your cup of tea, then you are correct.

It is, that's how champions are crowned, you play a regular season and have an OBJECTIVE formula to slot teams into a tournament and then you PLAY THE GAMES, and the TRUE CHAMPION emerges at the end 100% OF THE TIME! Everyone knows the rules, the champion is whoever wins these particular games. The misconception many of you have is that you think that CHAMPION has something to do with being THE BEST TEAM. Sometimes the champion is the best team, but it shouldn't always be, because sometimes the best teams FAIL IN THE GAMES and don't become champions.... That's REAL SPORTS. And if you think about it the GREATEST MOMENTS IN SPORTS HISTORY, those never forgotten are when the underdog steps up and punches BEST TEAM in the face and TAKES it from them, Namath's Jets, '85 'Nova, 18-0 Patriots losing to NYG in the Super Bowl, 1960 Pirates! The greatest moments in sports history, when the BEST TEAM wasn't the TRUE CHAMPION.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

SMF & 79, I don't have as much of a beef with the NYG winning over the Pats since the NFL playoff aren't diluted like the NCAAB. Any team that makes the NFL playoffs are worthy in my opinion. But 64 teams in a playoff? Only the WPIAL is worse. Sorry, that UCONN team in 2014 when Shabizz or whatever his name who got red hot wasn't a true champ. Neither was Villanova in 1985 or NC State in 1983. None of those teams I mentioned should have even been in a playoff.

 

[Pitt79]

What if by some miracle, Pitt wins Saturday? You won't consider them TRUE ACC Champion? Feel bad for BEST TEAM Clemson after? To me they'll be TRUE ACC CHAMP if they can win that game. Because the objective formula determined...

Champion=Win Division+Win Championship game

There's nothing in there about who's the BEST TEAM.

 

[Pitt79]

SMF & 79, I don't have as much of a beef with the NYG winning over the Pats since the NFL playoff aren't diluted like the NCAAB. Any team that makes the NFL playoffs are worthy in my opinion. But 64 teams in a playoff? Only the WPIAL is worse. Sorry, that UCONN team in 2014 when Shabizz or whatever his name who got red hot wasn't a true champ. Neither was Villanova in 1985 or NC State in 1983. None of those teams I mentioned should have even been in a playoff.

That's just a difference of opinion, I can deal with that. To me, you play the cards dealt, and if you make it to the podium you deserve the recognition.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

What if by some miracle, Pitt wins Saturday? You won't consider them TRUE ACC Champion? Feel bad for BEST TEAM Clemson after? To me they'll be TRUE ACC CHAMP if they can win that game. Because the objective formula determined...

Champion=Win Division+Win Championship game

There's nothing in there about who's the BEST TEAM.

I agree with the above, but how can you say a team that finishes 5th in their conference, loses their conference tourney, but somehow gets hot and wins the NCAAT is the best team and champ? They shouldn't have been invited to the dance at all.

 

[Pitt79]

I agree with the above, but how can you say a team that finishes 5th in their conference, loses their conference tourney, but somehow gets hot and wins the NCAAT is the best team and champ? They shouldn't have been invited to the dance at all.

I never said '14 UConn was best team, I say they are champion. best team has nothing to do with champion, it's 2 different things. Same with '85 Nova, '07 NYG, '69 Jets... they weren't best, they probably would lose 9 of 10 to the teams they beat, but it doesn't matter, they are champs based on the rules.

 

[Pitt79]

I thought that UConn team ran the table in the BET that year?

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

I never said '14 UConn was best team, I say they are champion. best team has nothing to do with champion, it's 2 different things. Same with '85 Nova, '07 NYG, '69 Jets... they weren't best, they probably would lose 9 of 10 to the teams they beat, but it doesn't matter, they are champs based on the rules.

agree, but the rules are flawed

 

[Pitt79]

agree, but the rules are flawed

Maybe so, but if you really care that best team wins every time, I guess the only way is have no playoffs, so nobody is presented with an opportunity to beat them. Or do like CFB, limit playoff access so severely that it's impossible for any true underdog to ever make an epic run. Personally, I like there being the possibility that some undeserving nobody can rise up out of nowhere and do the impossible.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

SMF & 79, I don't have as much of a beef with the NYG winning over the Pats since the NFL playoff aren't diluted like the NCAAB. Any team that makes the NFL playoffs are worthy in my opinion. But 64 teams in a playoff?

Huh? 37.5% of the teams in the NFL make the playoffs. That's VERY diluted. Only 19% of D1 teams make the playoffs. Even if you say there's really only about 100 true D1 teams (P6 + some teams in American, A10, MWC, WCC, etc), only about 45 or so bids go to "true D1" teams so let's say 45% of true D1 teams make it which isn't much more than the NFL's

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

The NCAAT is arguably the best sports event of the year.

Yes. I think college football has the best regular season in sports (almost every game matters) and college basketball has the best post-season (the Cinderella stories, the office brackets, etc.) I hope neither of them change their format significantly to undermine that.

 

[PMizzle88]

This article is old. He wrote an updated one yesterday

 

[Pitt79]

Yes. I think college football has the best regular season in sports (almost every game matters) and college basketball has the best post-season (the Cinderella stories, the office brackets, etc.) I hope neither of them change their format significantly to undermine that.

Expanding the CFB Playoffs would make the regular season matter more, not less. As it is only games that effect 8 or 10 teams matter. Let's say every conference champion made the playoffs, then Pitt vs. Wake would have had National implications, eliminating the other Coastal teams, and by winning, Pitt would be where they are now, except they'd be in a play-in game for the NCAA CFB Championship Playoffs. Who cares if they're good, multiple more fans would have playoff hopes, not just the same old, same old

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Expanding the CFB Playoffs would make the regular season matter more, not less. As it is only games that effect 8 or 10 teams matter. Let's say every conference champion made the playoffs, then Pitt vs. Wake would have had National implications, eliminating the other Coastal teams, and by winning, Pitt would be where they are now, except they'd be in a play-in game for the NCAA CFB Championship Playoffs. Who cares if they're good, multiple more fans would have playoff hopes, not just the same old, same old

If any of the P5 teams go undefeated, they're almost definitely in. Think of the entire regular season as a playoffs. Michigan State and Washington aren't exactly Alabama, and they both got in by winning their games. That's why the regular season is special, because there is such little margin of error. That and the historic rivalries, too many of which have been allowed to die.

 

[Pitt79]

If any of the P5 teams go undefeated, they're almost definitely in. Think of the entire regular season as a playoffs. Michigan State and Washington aren't exactly Alabama, and they both got in by winning their games. That's why the regular season is special, because there is such little margin of error. That and the historic rivalries, too many of which have been allowed to die.

But too few teams have a realistic chance, by week 4-5 you're pretty much down to like 10 teams already. If conference champs got automatic bids, half the teams would still have a theoretical shot come November, which to me is better.

 

[Pitt79]

And you know what? In the end precious Bama would probably still win it all often enough, so the people obsessed with "best team" being upset shouldn't be. To me the REAL Championship is more real, if Bama might get eliminated for losing a conference title game, instead of like now, where the whole nation clamors for them to get a FREE PASS WHENEVER THEY FAIL.

 

[wbrpanther]

if crowning a 5th place team who lost in the second round of their conference tournament the champion is your cup of tea, then you are correct.

I agree it is a great sporting event but very flawed in determining a true champion. hottest team in March maybe, but not a true champ.

Who cares is it sometimes not the true Champion? Anybody who makes thru that meatgrinder alive deserves to be crowned champion.

 

[Pitt79]

I love sports, because you don't know what might happen, Clemson might roll over Pitt 66-3 like they're supposed to, but we still watch and we're all holding out that little bit of hope that we get another 43-42 win, aren't we? That's why I'm always excited about the prospect of the BEST TEAM, getting upended, if you rig it so that never happens, you kill the actual thrill of victory and agony of defeat... Like the current CFB Playoff, with the same 3-4 teams + Bama and Clemson every year - to me, predictable from September on and boring all season. You might get a decent playoff game, or not. Honestly you could show tape of a Bama/Clemson game from 3 years ago and half the TV viewers won't know it's different, LOL.

 

[McKee Place]

To each her or his own, I think it is a far more impressive accomplishment to win one of tournaments of the higher quality conferences, such as the ACC or the Old Big East, than the contrived NCAA tournament. I thought it was tremendous, a significant success, when Pitt won the Big East tournament, beating so many quality teams over just a few days with minimal recovery time, in the highest profile arena/city in the country.

Flip side, it didn't particularly faze me that we never got past the Elite 8 or whatever in the NCAA tournament. After all, matchups, locales, times etc. are set up trying to produce 'upsets' on purpose in the NCAA Tournament, to boost TV ratings by enticing the dweebs and their silly little brackets. So it shouldn't be a particular surprise when that inevitably happens to your team.

And playing two games with a day off between, then getting a full week off before having to play again, doesn't seem as tough to me.

It still blows that Jamie Dixon got run out of the school a large part because he didn't make it far enough through that arbitrary clown show.

 

[prez41]

 

[gcpanther]

I agree with the above, but how can you say a team that finishes 5th in their conference, loses their conference tourney, but somehow gets hot and wins the NCAAT is the best team and champ? They shouldn't have been invited to the dance at all.

Your post reminds me of Syracuse's hoops title in early 2000s. We were better, we won BE tourney, but they won the national title. Many, many outliers in your scenario.

 

[Pitt79]

To each her or his own, I think it is a far more impressive accomplishment to win one of tournaments of the higher quality conferences, such as the ACC or the Old Big East, than the contrived NCAA tournament. I thought it was tremendous, a significant success, when Pitt won the Big East tournament, beating so many quality teams over just a few days with minimal recovery time, in the highest profile arena/city in the country.

Flip side, it didn't particularly faze me that we never got past the Elite 8 or whatever in the NCAA tournament. After all, matchups, locales, times etc. are set up trying to produce 'upsets' on purpose in the NCAA Tournament, to boost TV ratings by enticing the dweebs and their silly little brackets. So it shouldn't be a particular surprise when that inevitably happens to your team.

And playing two games with a day off between, then getting a full week off before having to play again, doesn't seem as tough to me.

It still blows that Jamie Dixon got run out of the school a large part because he didn't make it far enough through that arbitrary clown show.

Would you prefer the NCAA hoops playoff be UNC, Duke, Kentucky and TEAM X every friggin year - selected by a committee of course. Hell no! I'd rather have the clown show, I don't care who the best team is.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Would you prefer the NCAA hoops playoff be UNC, Duke, Kentucky and TEAM X every friggin year - selected by a committee of course. Hell no! I'd rather have the clown show, I don't care who the best team is.

I would prefer the conference champs only in a 20 team tourney. Maybe give the P5's a first round bye. You don't win your conference, you don't make the not so big dance anymore.....too bad so sad. Tell the commissioner not to have a year end tourney that means nothing and potentially eliminates the best team. Championship game is 2 out of 3 falls with no time limit.

 

[pitt-girl]

I would prefer the conference champs only in a 20 team tourney. Maybe give the P5's a first round bye. You don't win your conference, you don't make the not so big dance anymore.....too bad so sad. Tell the commissioner not to have a year end tourney that means nothing and potentially eliminates the best team. Championship game is 2 out of 3 falls with no time limit.

The only issue with that scenario is that frequently P5 conferences can vary wildly in terms of difficulty and there have been very recent non-P5 NC's. Basically you'd be shutting out a whole group of schools who have legitimate hoops programs.

 

[Pitt79]

I would prefer the conference champs only in a 20 team tourney. Maybe give the P5's a first round bye. You don't win your conference, you don't make the not so big dance anymore.....too bad so sad. Tell the commissioner not to have a year end tourney that means nothing and potentially eliminates the best team. Championship game is 2 out of 3 falls with no time limit.

So basically you're asking to go back to the early '70s and before. When only conference champs got in. But I'd bet you'd complain in that scenario? Like around 1973 or so NC State I believe was ACC Champ and #1 in the nation, Maryland was #2 in the nation out of the ACC and went to the NIT, because it was only champs. You OK with that? Maybe 68 teams is too much, but 20 is definitely too little. Cut it to 48 maybe? Sorry, but I'm a dweeb as described above, I don't care about having a "true champion" I like the FUN of the big bracket and the crazy upsets,

"You don't win your conference, you don't make the not so big dance anymore.....too bad so sad.'

As to this? How about in football then? Pitt in over Clemson if they win! I'd be all for it.

 

[Pitt79]

Tell the commissioner not to have a year end tourney that means nothing and potentially eliminates the best team.

And hell no to that! Those BETs where better than the NCAAs! I want them purely for entertainment value, and I love when the best team gets upended... it's my biggest joy in sports, I ALWAYS ROOT FOR IT!

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

So basically you're asking to go back to the early '70s and before. When only conference champs got in. But I'd bet you'd complain in that scenario? Like around 1973 or so NC State I believe was ACC Champ and #1 in the nation, Maryland was #2 in the nation out of the ACC and went to the NIT, because it was only champs. You OK with that? Maybe 68 teams is too much, but 20 is definitely too little. Cut it to 48 maybe? Sorry, but I'm a dweeb as described above, I don't care about having a "true champion" I like the FUN of the big bracket and the crazy upsets,

"You don't win your conference, you don't make the not so big dance anymore.....too bad so sad.'

As to this? How about in football then? Pitt in over Clemson if they win! I'd be all for it.

Exactly. Pitt wins, they should be in. Otherwise don't have a championship game. And I have no problem with your 1973 scenario. Maryland should have been better than NC state if they wanted in the tourney. Like the Pirates in 2015. They won 98 games. 2nd best in baseball I think but still relegated to a wild card game. People whined about it. Well they should have 100 and no one would whine since they would have been in first place.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

And hell no to that! Those BETs where better than the NCAAs! I want them purely for entertainment value, and I love when the best team gets upended... it's my biggest joy in sports, I ALWAYS ROOT FOR IT!

to each his own, but I thought it sucked when NC state, a mediocre team at best, got hot in March and upset Houston.

 

[Pitt79]

to each his own, but I thought it sucked when NC state, a mediocre team at best, got hot in March and upset Houston.

I guess? I always think it's FUN when the big shots get punched in the face and go down. And it's not like it happens a lot.

 

[pitt-girl]

to each his own, but I thought it sucked when NC state, a mediocre team at best, got hot in March and upset Houston.

But doesn't that happen with all sports - professional and amateur? This isn't confined just to the NCAAT.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

But doesn't that happen with all sports - professional and amateur? This isn't confined just to the NCAAT.

idk, I don't pay that close attention. I guess it is magnified on the NCAAT since they make a big deal about seedings and who got the all important one seed. So when a #15 beats a #2 it is big news. In the NFL, if a 9-7 wildcard beats a 12-4 division champ I don't think it is a big a deal.

 

[Pitt79]

But doesn't that happen with all sports - professional and amateur? This isn't confined just to the NCAAT.

I don't get why it bothers some of you? Why play the games then? Just decide who has the best talent and limit their exposure to possible losses to help make sure they don't lose? I feel like the CFB Playoff thing is centered around making sure Bama always gets in. To me, being champion has nothing to do with being the best team, it's about winning the games placed in front of you and overcoming. 1983 Houston was way better than NC State, but I don't feel bad for them, they had their chance. I honestly don't want sports to be set up to make the path easy to rig it so the best teams always win, I want the risk of somebody inferior knocking them off, that's what makes sports interesting.