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Jorge, Dunn, Cummings, Corhen, Fede

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While I dont want to count this team out, the Vegas odds of making the NCAAT at this point are long and when it comes down to it, I think it comes down to the misevaluation of the following 5 players.

Corhen/Fede - Although I posted on here that I was concerned about Corhen's rebounding numbers, I liked his offense and trusted Capel's analysis that his lack of rebounding was the result of FSU switching 1 through 5. Fede had a bad year and if given the choice last Spring, I would have picked Corhen. However, we were both wrong. Corhen does give you some offense and can do some things that Fede and a lot of 5's can't but he is very possibly the worst rebounding Center in the P5. Not that Fede is DeJuan Blair but I do believe that the overall offense/defensive/rebounding contributions of Fede would have been greater than Corhen. To that end, continuing to throw Corhen out there instead of GDG, when he struggles so bad on the glass does not give the team the best chance to win.

- Jorge - the kid has to play. He is shooting an eye-popping 58% from 3 for a team who can't shoot. I understand the concern is his defense but nobody on this team plays defense. This team is crying out for a floor-spacer. Jorge has to play extended minutes. Unfortunately, at this point, even if he does get more time, it's probably too late.

Dunn/Cummings - Before the free agency era, a kid like Cummings would get meaningful minutes as a freshman. But, nowadays, coaches prefer to have that senior transfer and I dont blame them. I liked the Dunn acquisition. You get that old vet who gives you some offensive punch. It's hard to forecast how someone fits into the rotation but it just seems like the guard combination of Lowe/Leggett/Dunn are less than the sum of its parts. They are 3 good offensive players but they are all "shot-first" players.....and a little like Johnson, McGowens, Toney. I bring up Bradin Cummings because although he, too, is a shot-first player, this team would have the same record if Cummings was getting Dunn's minutes but the ceiling for Cummings is much higher so maybe by February, he would have greatly improved. Now, as it stands, he will probably return as a sophomore with little experience. As funny as this sounds, I wonder if this team would have been better off with Jeffress starting at the 3 over Dunn. Someone who will move the ball, cut, rebound, defend. This season is looking too much like the Johnson/McGowens/Toney era. The difference is that these are all good kids who are trying their best. That wasn't true during for Johnson/McGowens/Toney.
 
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While I dont want to count this team out, the Vegas odds of making the NCAAT at this point are long and I think when it comes down to it, I think it comes down to the misevaluation of the following 5 players.

Corhen/Fede - Although I posted on here that I was concerned about Corhen's rebounding numbers, I liked his offense and trusted Capel's analysis that his lack of rebounding was the result of FSU switching 1 through 5. Fede had a bad year and if given the choice last Spring, I would have picked Corhen. However, we were both wrong. Corhen does give you some offense and can do some things that Fede and a lot of 5's can't but he is very possibly the worst rebounding Center in the P5. Not that Fede is DeJuan Blair but I do believe that the overall offense/defensive/rebounding contributions of Fede would have been greater than Corhen. To that end, continuing to throw Corhen out there instead of GDG, when he struggles so bad on the glass does not give the team the best chance to win.

- Jorge - the kid has to play. He is shooting an eye-popping 58% from 3 for a team who can't shoot. I understand the concern is his defense but nobody on this team plays defense. This team is crying out for a floor-spacer. Jorge has to play extended minutes. Unfortunately, at this point, even if he does get more time, it's probably too late.

Dunn/Cummings - Before the free agency era, a kid like Cummings would get meaningful minutes as a freshman. But, nowadays, coaches prefer to have that senior transfer and I dont blame them. I liked the Dunn acquisition. You get that old vet who gives you some offensive punch. It's hard to forecast how someone fits into the rotation but it just seems like the guard combination of Lowe/Leggett/Dunn are less than the sum of its parts. They are 3 good offensive players but they are all "shot-first" players.....and little like Johnson, McGowens, Toney. I bring up Bradin Cummings because although he, too, is a shot-first player, this team would have the same record if Cummings was getting Dunn's minutes but the ceiling for Cummings is much higher so maybe by February, he would have greatly improved. Now, as it stands, he will probably return as a sophomore with little experience. As funny as this sounds, I wonder if this team would have been better off with Jeffress starting at the 3 over Dunn. Someone who will move the ball, cut, rebound, defend. This season is looking too much like the Johnson/McGowens/Toney era. The difference is that these are all good kids who are trying their best. That wasn't true during for Johnson/McGowens/Toney.
Are they really trying their best ? Are they good kids ?
I’m seeing a total lack of effort and shitty attitudes .

Like those teams, the best two players don’t want to be coached or play as a team .
They want highlight shots to market their pro potential.
 
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Other than bad defense.
I think Cummings once he gets stronger will be very good .
He’s o rematched right now
Amsal is proving the flier was just that.
He is emergency depth only

Freshmen typically aren't good defenders for the primary reason that they've never played it. No one plays D in AAU and I didn't watch Lincoln Park but I am guessing that very little effort on D needed to be played to beat Mohawk. So it takes time. However, nobody on this team can defend. That's part of my point in playing the shooter (Jorge) and the young kid. We are losing every game anyway. We haven't found the right lineup and it can be said that we are 2-6 since Dunn came back. It isn't fair to put all the blame on him. I think he's a good player but those 3 together hasn't worked.
 
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Our big problem is defensive rebounding. Cam Corhen's defensive rebounding percentage is 13.9. Fede Federiko's is 14.4. His two years at Pitt were 13.5 and 15.7.

Relatively speaking, Federiko is a much better offensive rebounder than a defensive one. In fact right now he's 5th in the P5 in offensive rebounding percentage. And hey, we could use some more offensive rebounding. But like I said, that's not really the problem.
 
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Are they really trying their best ? Are they good kids ?
I’m seeing a total lack of effort and shitty attitudes .

Like those teams, the best two players don’t want to be coached or play as a team .
They want highlight shots to market their pro potential.

Yes, these are good kids. The lack of defense doesn't mean they are bad kids. Sometimes, players just aren't good defensive players. And as for Lowe/Leggett/Dunn going 1 on 1 a lot. That's the offense. Bub did it. Burton did it. The difference is that those teams had Blake to kick to. Also having a true PG in Nelly was vitally important. I think this team would have been better with a Nelly-type at PG and then Lowe at the 2.
 
While I dont want to count this team out, the Vegas odds of making the NCAAT at this point are long and when it comes down to it, I think it comes down to the misevaluation of the following 5 players.

Corhen/Fede - Although I posted on here that I was concerned about Corhen's rebounding numbers, I liked his offense and trusted Capel's analysis that his lack of rebounding was the result of FSU switching 1 through 5. Fede had a bad year and if given the choice last Spring, I would have picked Corhen. However, we were both wrong. Corhen does give you some offense and can do some things that Fede and a lot of 5's can't but he is very possibly the worst rebounding Center in the P5. Not that Fede is DeJuan Blair but I do believe that the overall offense/defensive/rebounding contributions of Fede would have been greater than Corhen. To that end, continuing to throw Corhen out there instead of GDG, when he struggles so bad on the glass does not give the team the best chance to win.

- Jorge - the kid has to play. He is shooting an eye-popping 58% from 3 for a team who can't shoot. I understand the concern is his defense but nobody on this team plays defense. This team is crying out for a floor-spacer. Jorge has to play extended minutes. Unfortunately, at this point, even if he does get more time, it's probably too late.

Dunn/Cummings - Before the free agency era, a kid like Cummings would get meaningful minutes as a freshman. But, nowadays, coaches prefer to have that senior transfer and I dont blame them. I liked the Dunn acquisition. You get that old vet who gives you some offensive punch. It's hard to forecast how someone fits into the rotation but it just seems like the guard combination of Lowe/Leggett/Dunn are less than the sum of its parts. They are 3 good offensive players but they are all "shot-first" players.....and a little like Johnson, McGowens, Toney. I bring up Bradin Cummings because although he, too, is a shot-first player, this team would have the same record if Cummings was getting Dunn's minutes but the ceiling for Cummings is much higher so maybe by February, he would have greatly improved. Now, as it stands, he will probably return as a sophomore with little experience. As funny as this sounds, I wonder if this team would have been better off with Jeffress starting at the 3 over Dunn. Someone who will move the ball, cut, rebound, defend. This season is looking too much like the Johnson/McGowens/Toney era. The difference is that these are all good kids who are trying their best. That wasn't true during for Johnson/McGowens/Toney.
Do you really think they were trying their best against Virginia? If that was their best, I'd hate to see them when they are a little off.
 
Yes, these are good kids. The lack of defense doesn't mean they are bad kids. Sometimes, players just aren't good defensive players. And as for Lowe/Leggett/Dunn going 1 on 1 a lot. That's the offense. Bub did it. Burton did it. The difference is that those teams had Blake to kick to. Also having a true PG in Nelly was vitally important. I think this team would have been better with a Nelly-type at PG and then Lowe at the 2.
Their bad defense is absolutely based on lack of effort
Lowe is the worst offender of making “business decisions” when to actually defend
 
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