Jurkovec to ND
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South Bend sucks-but Notre Dame is its own town, own. zip code and own world. The ND campus is beautiful and it's a great school with the richest football tradition in the country.
Other than that I can't imagine what any top football prospect sees in the place.
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No surprise. The local kids don't seem to appreciate what a great opportunity they have at Pitt. However, kids from other areas do. Of the 4 star kids we landed last year (Flowers, Hill, Hamlin, Watts, Camp, McVittie, Pine, Pugh) only two were local kids.
I don't wish the local kids any ill will. But I won't be following their careers. I follow the kids who go to Pitt only.
I don't wish the local kids any ill will. But I won't be following their careers. I follow the kids who go to Pitt only.
I wanted to see him go to Pitt, but come on, getting to play quarterback at Notre Dame is pretty amazing. That place is college football and I wish him the best and look forward to watching him against everyone except Pitt.
I am not as knowledgeable as you are on the development of ND QB's and their success in the pros, but who stands out in the last 20 years. This isn't the 60's or 70's anymore.
The program does have a rich tradition, but other than the one year when Bama beat the snot out of them in the title game, they have been pretty average, especially for them, over the last 20 or so years. Kelly is a good salesman and has upgraded the talent but he is not a likeable guy. It really sickens me to see a good bit of our local talent go there. I hate that school just as bad as the one located at the center of our state.
The luster has come off ND a bit. Alot of their tradition goes way back now. They haven't been putting out many Joe Montana's lately. I don't understand why there are so many ND fans outside of Indiana. I just don't get it.
I do know one thing: It is going to be very hard to get our program back to where we would like it with alot of our local talent bolting to play for that turd Kelly.
How many 4/5 star QB's have they landed compared to us? That is why I was asking the ND guy. I would assume they have landed talent, but question the development.
The white suburban kids that were lured to the Cult east of us in the 80's, 90's, 00's are now being woo'ed to ND and their holier than thou BS. A lot of these kids would be sipping the PS kook aid if not for Paterno bringing so much negative attention with the Child Rape Coverup.
Why is playing QB at ND amazing? You have a lunatic HC that screams at you until he turns blue in the face. Alabama, Michigan, FSU, Stanford, and a bunch of others would make more sense.
Cause the kid has been a Notre Dame fan his entire life.
And whether we like them or not (I don't and I loathe Kelly) it's Notre Freakin Dame.
That's why.
-Notre Dame's last 8 seasons with record
-7-6
-6-6
-8-5
-8-5
-12-1
-9-4
-8-5
-10-3
-Seriously, Besides getting completely embarrassed in the National Title game, Notre Dame has not done anything remarkable in the last 8 years, even with Kelly as football coach.
-This has to be one of the most overrated football programs in the entire country, right with Florida.
Big Deal - This isn't the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's. There are a lot of big time programs that are on national TV every week, and have won a lot more games without some dickhead screaming in their face on national TV.
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How about the fact that you guys aren't talking about the academics. It's a top 15-18 school nationally. It's one of the more elite educations you can receive outside of the Ivy's. Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Chicago-- you're set if you graduate with a degree from those schools.
It's more than a football decision. You also get maximum exposer playing at ND - whether they are winning or not. Despite their roster being decimated by injuries the last couple of years, they've still competed at a pretty high level.
Between the national exposer, elite academics, a $500+million dollar stadium renovation...I guess you can throw in a ton of history. It's a tough school to turn down - especially when parents are involved.
Kelly also is putting a ton of kids in the NFL. He's got a ton to sell in South Bend. And if you think Narduzzi is any less intense than Kelly - you're kidding yourself. He can be just as animated/vocal and I love it. Narduzzi is a great coach.
It's more than a football decision. You also get maximum exposer playing at ND - whether they are winning or not. Despite their roster being decimated by injuries the last couple of years, they've still competed at a pretty high level.
Between the national exposer, elite academics, a $500+million dollar stadium renovation...I guess you can throw in a ton of history. It's a tough school to turn down - especially when parents are involved.
Kelly also is putting a ton of kids in the NFL. He's got a ton to sell in South Bend. And if you think Narduzzi is any less intense than Kelly - you're kidding yourself. He can be just as animated/vocal and I love it. Narduzzi is a great coach.
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Nothing wrong with that criteria - I would advise my son to attend Michigan or Stanford in that scenario. I would not want him to be verbally abused by the HC. It shows a lack of character and control on Kelly's part.
I think you're taking a few sideline incidents a little extremely. Saban, Miles, and many other coaches have had similar moments. Hell, back in the day, with Bo, Woody, Holtz, etc - it was the norm. I personally don't mind the hard-nose football coach. I never needed to like my coach. I respect others who feel otherwise though.
But you know Sherrill or Mr. Johnny Majors let players know! It's the old school way!
Umm, it's Notre Dame, one of the most prestigious schools in the entire nation. I get that a lot of people hate them, but they define college football for a lot of people as well. I love Pitt, but can never fault a kid for wanting to run out of the tunnel in that stadium wearing the gold helmets.
Well for better or worse - and like it or not - Notre Dame still is a big deal.
It's tough to lose local kids. But it could be worse - Franklin could be the coach. Narduzzi is a stud. I don't think Pitt needs to land a class full of 5 stars to be extremely competitive.
He's a - hard nose, disciple, defensive head coach - and that's perfect for Pitt.
He's a - hard nose, disciple, defensive head coach - and that's perfect for Pitt.
Up until this year. We have owned ND for local talent. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't paid attention the last decade or so.
This trend must stop this year or its going to be the same old same old. Especially, recruiting QB's and OL. Two positions that are musts to win in today's game
This trend must stop this year or its going to be the same old same old. Especially, recruiting QB's and OL. Two positions that are musts to win in today's game
I'm not so sure they were owned. Adams, and Fuller are a few names off the top of my head that ND landed. McGlinchey is a PA kid, too. There are a few other kids, too. It almost felt like ND wasn't recruiting PA that hard until late.
Darin Walls and Ben Koyak was another stud from PA.
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Yep. We don't even need to talk about him screaming at QBs. He's responsible for a young man's passing. He's a jerkoff.
Goodness, you guys get butthurt whenever any local prospect goes elsewhere.
Pitt will always fight an uphill battle if ND, Bama, OSU, etc come calling. Doesn't mean that it is the right choice for the kid (see Robert foster) but when a 17 year old sees ND, that name will most always trump Pitt. Just the reality.
Now places like WVU and PSU at this point are different stories right now.
Pitt will always fight an uphill battle if ND, Bama, OSU, etc come calling. Doesn't mean that it is the right choice for the kid (see Robert foster) but when a 17 year old sees ND, that name will most always trump Pitt. Just the reality.
Now places like WVU and PSU at this point are different stories right now.
Kind of a silly question, but I'm known for asking silly questions.
If Brian Kelly is indeed responsible for the death of someone, why has nobody ever held him accountable?
Am I to believe that everyone, everywhere including the kids own family, is in on some all encompassing conspiracy to protect ND football?
Not a few sideline incidents.. The last PITT game here.. He was the craziest shade of purple at your d coordinator laced with language that even I had to go to Confession..
I suggest you read the entire thread. You seem lost. There are a lot of programs out there that are better than ND, and just because the media wants to shove Rudy, Knute Rockne, and the holier than thou narrative down my throat does not mean I am drinking the kool aid.
If you truly believe Brian Kelly or any other head coach is in charge of the student's who video tape practice - you're are sorely mistaken. They have much bigger things to worry about and it's just easy to blame the head coach. No one ever said ND was not at fault, but if you really think Brian Kelly killed the young man you're simply just reaching.
Do yourself a favor and just Google the big college names in college ball. Add something about them losing it on the sideline. Majority of big-time coaches have their moments. When you're at ND it's just magnified. ND has been able to land multiple younger siblings of current NDFB players. That shows you more than anything that parents and students trust him.
I'm not going to get all soft like the rest of this generation. If Narduzzi needs to lay into a kid - I'm all for it. Unless he goes all Bob Knight and chokes a player. That's too far haha.
I did. You tried to make the point (in the post I quoted) that ND hasn't done anything with QBs in 20 years and that is a reason the kid made a mistake by picking ND and not Pitt. That was a very bad attempt. You seem to be drinking mustard and royal blue kool aid.
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