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Just got a notice UPMC with Pitt Medical School

Wow. You are just lost aren't you. Proved my point better then I did. The point is the Fed does not diagnose or cure illnesses. Schools and private industries do. You blaming Trump really is worthless.

FWIW, you are right that the federal government does not diagnose or cure illnesses (for the most part). Where you are a little shortsighted is that they (the federal government) or charity (like in Salk's case) often fund the people or organizations that diagnose, cure or isolate the illnesses. They (the government and the scientists) usually go hand in hand with each other at some stage (or multiple stages).

I think that the discussion of the federal government here has had more to do with their response to the situation than anything else. And the response is firmly under the government's purview concerning national security.
 
Instead of just giving props to pitt, of course this needs politicized by the op.

"politicized by the op"????
Not sure how posting "the Feds dropped the ball" is politicizing this.
Facts are facts.
Following are quotes from Pitt researchers Drs. Wells and Yealy who helped develop the test.
Draw your own conclusions.

"Feds delayed UPMC 's creation of its own COVID-19 test"
"Dr. Alan Wells, medical director of UPMC’s clinical laboratories, said that the hospital’s virology team could have created the test much earlier if the federal government had not insisted that it could handle testing on its own.

“We definitely had wished we were starting [to develop a test] sooner,” he said Saturday during a press conference at UPMC Montefiore Hospital in Oakland.

He said that before March 3, when UPMC started work on the test, “we had considered developing a test but had been in communication with the CDC and FDA and had been told that the federal and state authorities would be able to handle everything.
Dr. Don Yealy, chief of emergency medicine for UPMC, acknowledged that that delay wasn’t just a local concern.
“As we’re all aware, the testing capabilities for the COVID-19 illness in the United States were both delayed and limited,” he said. “That created a lot of anxiety for people who were concerned about their own status: Are they infected now? And it also hampered public health capabilities and our response.”

“It’s hard to craft an efficient plan when we don’t really know who has an infection and who doesn’t,” he said."

H2P!
 
It's amazing that people either a) don't know how it works or b) tries anything to take a swipe at Trump. Previously the other side did the same with Obama and before that Bush and on and on.
Your are so right. This swiping at everybody has to stop. The private sector really responded and the press conferences talked about why it took a week+ to make the test 98%-99% accurate versus the ones out there being a lot less accurate. Being the optimistic person I am, I am hoping that this brings the world together for the betterment of mankind.
 
Why have the feds dropped the ball? Do they make tests and respirators? No, it’s the private sector and always will be.

The "Feds have dropped the ball" because Trump is President and the Libtards take every opportunity to criticize him ( Even though it's not merited ). Must be tough being a Libtard. By the way, their best candidate is QuidProJoe on the edge of Dementia. Want to bet his handlers keep him off the Debate Stage and out of the public eye?

PS: Trump 2020 & 2024 since the 'tards obstructed his first term.
 
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Your are so right. This swiping at everybody has to stop. The private sector really responded and the press conferences talked about why it took a week+ to make the test 98%-99% accurate versus the ones out there being a lot less accurate. Being the optimistic person I am, I am hoping that this brings the world together for the betterment of mankind.
Italy has dropped political finger pointing. Sigh, it doesn't appear U.S.political types can.
 
"politicized by the op"????
Not sure how posting "the Feds dropped the ball" is politicizing this.
Facts are facts.
Following are quotes from Pitt researchers Drs. Wells and Yealy who helped develop the test.
Draw your own conclusions.

"Feds delayed UPMC 's creation of its own COVID-19 test"
"Dr. Alan Wells, medical director of UPMC’s clinical laboratories, said that the hospital’s virology team could have created the test much earlier if the federal government had not insisted that it could handle testing on its own.

“We definitely had wished we were starting [to develop a test] sooner,” he said Saturday during a press conference at UPMC Montefiore Hospital in Oakland.

He said that before March 3, when UPMC started work on the test, “we had considered developing a test but had been in communication with the CDC and FDA and had been told that the federal and state authorities would be able to handle everything.
Dr. Don Yealy, chief of emergency medicine for UPMC, acknowledged that that delay wasn’t just a local concern.
“As we’re all aware, the testing capabilities for the COVID-19 illness in the United States were both delayed and limited,” he said. “That created a lot of anxiety for people who were concerned about their own status: Are they infected now? And it also hampered public health capabilities and our response.”

“It’s hard to craft an efficient plan when we don’t really know who has an infection and who doesn’t,” he said."

H2P!
The federal government is not Trump. No president makes decisions on such items. Don't make everything about politics and Trump. Then maybe you would be believed more.
 
The federal government is not Trump. No president makes decisions on such items. Don't make everything about politics and Trump. Then maybe you would be believed more.

What do presidents make decisions on? They are accountable for the people that they put in charge of things, right?

There comes a point where accountability needs to be admitted ...
 
What do presidents make decisions on? They are accountable for the people that they put in charge of things, right?

There comes a point where accountability needs to be admitted ...
Is your point that all presidents are accountable for ALL decisions made by all federal employees while they are president?

Did you hold Obama accountable for Ben Gazi and "fast and furious"?
 
Is your point that all presidents are accountable for ALL decisions made by all federal employees while they are president?

Did you hold Obama accountable for Ben Gazi and "fast and furious"?

That statement is a strawman argument. I think at the end of the day, when you consider a president's term in full, they own all the major decisions that occurred under their watch.

No presidents are making battlefield calls, but the generals that they put into position to make those calls, the president owns the decisions of those people. Presidents generally do not decide who to prosecute, but they own the decisions of their attorney general. Same thing with members of their cabinets.

This present situation is a national security issue. You cannot fall more under the powers of the executive branch than a national security issue that affects the welfare of the population at mass.

From not acknowledging the problem (which Trump did on multiple occasions over the past month) to not have an actual plan until way after the knowledge was dispersed to eliminating the department inside the White House that handled these types of issues ... this problem lies square on the feet of the president and will likely be his defining issue as president ...

Barack Obama had one major issue that history will remember him for, he stepped into the heart of the financial crisis and led the U.S. out of it. I highly doubt that anyone reasonable, say a college professor, teaches about Barack Obama's presidency and Bengazi is a major issue. The financial crisis, healthcare, foreign relations, etc. are the topics of discussion.

What was the defining issue of George W. Bush's presidency? It was 9/11 and his response to it. That he immediately comforted the country, took action and defended citizens for better or worse. People also discuss the financial crisis as well as it was probably the defining issue of the 2000s decade.

This is likely the Trump defining issue and he has been a huge failure so far. Hopefully, for all of our sake, his team gets it together and/or the virus lessens over time. But the immediate response was very poor and he has to own that.
 
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The federal government is not Trump. No president makes decisions on such items. Don't make everything about politics and Trump. Then maybe you would be believed more.

????????
Where did I or any of my posts mention Trump?

As far as believing I'll take the doctors and researchers at Pitt over Trump, anyone at the CDC, or anyone on this board.
The Feds dropped the ball.
You seem more interested in defending Trump - even when he's not mentioned - than congratulating and honoring Pitt.
 
Why have the feds dropped the ball? Do they make tests and respirators? No, it’s the private sector and always will be.

100% False. It’s the job of the CDC. The federal government made the decision not to use the World Health Organization test kits, which were available in December. Whether that was Redfield or someone above him in Washington we don’t know. The CDC then developed their own kits, but tests showed they were flawed. They finally have a test kit which works, but it takes 4 to 5 days to get results. They turned down an offer by the Vietnamese to buy a test kit which takes only 2 to 4 hours to get results. They still haven’t produced enough kits because of production problems. They had promised 1 million kits by last Monday and another 4 million by the end of the week. They only sent 200,000 to regional centers for distribution the entire week.

Places like UPMC, the Cleveland Clinic and the University if Washington have developed test kits out of necessity. And all of them are better than the CDC kits because results are available much sooner. The problem is they aren’t in the business of mass producing kits.
 
Why have the feds dropped the ball? Do they make tests and respirators? No, it’s the private sector and always will be.

The private sector, the states and, most importantly, individuals must take the lead on this. Something like this can't be trusted to the federal government's "leadership". That's not their place to lead on these types of issues. Yes, they can provide funding and declare a state of emergency to free up funds, but then they need to get out of the way and let the people who know something about this do their jobs. That's just how it works in America. Or how it should work.
 
What do presidents make decisions on? They are accountable for the people that they put in charge of things, right?

There comes a point where accountability needs to be admitted ...

Is it also Trumps fault that the hospitals don't have enough N95 mask to give their employees to wear for all patients? Basic PPE and there is not one health system in this country who has enough.
 
What happened in Italy, France, Germany and the rest of Europe. Or Japan and South Korea. Did their politicians drop the ball as well.? Or is this just something that was going to be damn near impossible to stop. One could argue that the government should have acted quicker in restrictions in travel but when Trump imposed the ban on travel to China most of the Dems said it was to strict and unneeded. There should be more testing being done today no question that is one failure of the CDC and it needs to be answered when this is over.
 
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when this is over.

This right here. Nothing needs looked at or investigated right now. When it is over, have fun. Right now, just shut up and play whatever role you have in this, because every living person has one right now.

For the majority of people, the role is not panicking and limiting our exposure to ourselves and others. Some people play a greater role, they are working at grocery stores and pharmacies along with the people involved with the manufacturing and distribution of the items sold, all risking exposure. Others are still showing up to work to perform essential services like garbage removal, power companies, water treatment, etc. As they keep things moving as normal and sanitary as possible. The researchers/scientist who are working tirelessly to combat this. They are playing the most critical role. Then there are the people who really are stepping it up, the health providers. Many Medical Assistants, Nurses, Doctors are literally seeing sick paitents face to face. This last group are hero's in my book.

W
 
Pitt's greatest claim to fame is the polio vaccine. Damn the hero of the left FDR and the rest of the Fed government of that time for failing.
FDR was dead by then.
 
Wait a second, there are people out there who actually think the administration has done a good job here?

Wow! I did not see that coming. That’s genuinely insane.

This has nothing to do with his reelection or anything else that frankly doesn’t matter within this context. We will worry about that in November.

However, there is no question that this administration turned down proven testing kits from the WHO and the CDC’s testing kits didn’t work.

Think about that for a second.

We had a two month head start on this virus and we got nothing accomplished. Now, we are going to pay the price for our arrogance/idiocy. We are still weeks behind where we should be regarding testing. There’s no reasonable debate to be had on that front. Those are unassailable facts that cannot be spun or explained away. That’s not from some liberal news network, those are facts that everyone agrees on.

Last week, Trump was telling everyone this is all going to “miraculously” go away and is all just a big hoax by the Democrats and the media. They also told everyone they had this totally under control and that our numbers were decreasing. Again, those are factual statements about what the president and his surrogates were saying as this pandemic was spreading.

All of those were massive and incredibly dangerous lies!

You can call me whatever names you want to call me, but that does not change the fact that those were all clearly lies!

He is STILL lying about all manner of things including the availability of testing kits. Go try to get a testing kit right now. Good luck to you!

Yesterday, they had Ben Carson step to the mic during a presser and he said everyone needed to pray more.

What?!

Then, for whatever reason, the White House doctor was imploring everyone not to blame the president.

What the hell are we doing here?

I do think Anthony Fauci has acquitted himself well here. He appears to be the only one in that entire group who has been telling the truth. He has not lost any credibility through this process, but he is practically alone in that regard.

GTFOH!

This is going to get far, far worse before gets better. This is not going to be a two or three week thing, guys. It’s probably going to be a two or three months thing — at a minimum.

I do agree with those who say that the politics of this is secondary right now. That’s absolutely true. However, that was also true whenever the president was treating a public health crisis like a financial crisis and was running around talking about the effect this is going to have on the markets, rather than the toll it’s going to take on so many of our families.

They have bungled this from the start and there’s no way anyone can spin this otherwise. Oh, I know many will try. They are awesome at convincing millions and millions of people that up is down and hot is cold.

However, how he has handled this so far and how he will handle this going forward will constitute Trump's legacy. There’s just no doubt about it. This is his chance to totally undo the naysayers.

How he reacts to this crisis going forward will determine not only his future but America’s future — certainly in the near term. It will be very interesting to see if he’s up to the task?

What do you guys think? Are we going to see decisiveness and strong, shrewd leadership at a time where it is desperately needed; or are we going to see pettiness and finger-pointing and blame shifting?

I know where I’m placing my money.
Unfortunately, your message is never going to be heard or accepted by those 40%(Approximate Guess), who only get their 'Alternative Facts'(as put by Kelly Ann Con Way) from the Fox Propaganda Machine, Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Breitbart and other Far Right Wing Media, and Shawshank Trump only Follows 47 People on his Twitter Account, who are his Relatives, Far Right Wing Pundits and a few People in his Administration, so he only sees people praising him, as everyone in his administration is afraid to criticize him, or those who did so in the past, were seen as Disloyal and quickly replaced.

Shawshank Trump lacks any empathy, so it is apparent that he is a Sociopath. He only has ever been concerned about himself and his family of Grifters.

This Corona Virus showing that after 16,000+ Lies by Shawshank Trump that the Chickens have come home to roost for him that this Country that elected a Reality TV President, who is so unqualified to lead our Country that he does not even care to read or listen to the Daily Intelligence Reports(he just gets bored and turns on Fox and Friends).

Remember this is the same guy, who use to do his own PR while bankrupting his Casinos by calling Media People, using a Fake Name(as surfaced audio tapes have documented).

William Barr, who is so far up Shawshank's Trump's Ass, that Pence, Nunes, Graham, Jim(Don't Google My Name and Ohio State Wrestling) Jordan, Collins, Ingram, Limbaugh and Hannity needed to slide over to make room for him. So Barr thinks a President should have Unlimited Powers? Wonder if he would feel the same if Sanders or Warren would have been the next POTUS? Not my personal choices, but I would of LMAO if it could have happened.

Barr was not able to lie about the Corona Virus though to protect Shawshank Trump like he did getting out in front of the 4 Page Summary of the Mueller Report, and now it is scary how Shawshank Trump has an AG, who works as his Personal Attorney(so he got his Roy Cohn), as Shawshank Trump is slowly turning our Government from a Democracy into an Autocracy by taking over the Justice Department, Intelligence Agencies and other Federal Departments to protect his Unchecked Power(with the help of Spineless GOP Senators, who are afraid of being given a Trump Loyalist in a Primary with Trump's Large CULT Following. Apparently, Lindsay Graham's Backbone was buried with John McCain).

After the GOP Acquitted Shawshank Trump in their Sham(No Witnesses) Impeachment Trial, he became 'Mango Unchained' going after all of his Political Enemies(at least Justice prevailed for McCabe, as even Barr could not get a Grand Jury to bring up Charges).

Mango Unchained has traded in the Countries, who are our Allies, for Countries lead by Dictators(and ignoring interference from Russia with the assistance of 'Moscow Mitch' blocking legislation to protect our elections). Moscow Mitch has let several hundred bills on a variety of issues brought to him go without a vote, so he can use every free day to ram over 190 and counting Federalist Society 'Little Scalias' to the Federal Courts(the hypocrisy on Originalist Judges not being Activist can be saved for another Thread, but they are Activist when it suits their own Right Wing Causes and yes Scalia himself was an Activist Judge at times).

The Courts were the only reason I voted for Hillary Clinton(and she was way more qualified, but then again any GOP Person in the Primary Race was more qualified than Shawshank Trump), as I really did not like her(personal level), although, as an Independent Registered Voter, I would have voted for John Kasich, if he would have been the GOP Nominee, but he was too Moderate to have any chance to beat off an Entire CULT.

Mango Unchained takes the Word of Putin over our own US Intelligence Agencies. He should have been removed from Office for that alone. If Obama would have said that, the Fox Propaganda Talk Show Hosts' Heads would have collectively exploded.

Mango Unchained is really worried, as he knows if he loses the election in November, that the Southern District of NY is sitting on Sealed Document(Remember he was Unnamed Person in the Michael Cohen Case and among other things they were investigating, I assume the SDNY has his Taxes-unless the SCOTUS bails him out with their decision on access to his Taxes this Summer) that will put him in Prison for the rest of life and once out of the White House, he will not have Barr to protect him.

In the End, Our Country will Get what We Deserve if this Racist, Misogynist, Russian Puppet, Sociopathic Grifter and his Organized Crime Family gets re-elected, despite the Dems putting up a Weak Older Candidate in Biden, who does not excite People and looks like he is ready for the Nursing Home(hoping he adds a Strong Woman as VP, and my preference is he selects Stacey Abrams, who got screwed out of her own Georgia Governor Race through Voter Suppression when her Opponent controlled it Election Process in his past position while he was also allowed to run as the GOP Candidate against her, as she will excite people, especially Black Voters in some States who will most likely need to wait out several hours in long lines to vote with States like Texas shutting down over 700 Polling Places and over 500 of which are in areas where mostly Non White People live).

I did not agree with most of George W Bush's Policies(especially Chaney's influence on him to go to War with Iraq was a stupid Clusterf**k), but at least I did not fear that Bush would turn our Democracy into an Autocracy(and he did not try to take over the Justice Department), and he was a likable person and not a White Nationalist, Criminal, who maintained relationships with our True Allies and he was not Putin's B*tch.

I hope Mango Unchained and his 2 'Fredo' Older Sons have several Rallies in the next month and take Selfies and Shake Hands with all of his CULT Members. This Jack*ss gave the Racist, Misogynist Limbaugh the Presidential Freedom of Honor.

I have only been listening to the Medical Experts and Scientists(another Group of People the GOP have tried to remove, even before Shawshank Trump became POTUS, from Government or Defund their Research) to follow for advice during this Corona Virus until it is contained.
 
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Unfortunately, your message is never going to be heard or accepted by those 40%(Approximate Guess), who only get their 'Alternative Facts'(as put by Kelly Ann Con Way) from the Fox Propaganda Machine, Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Breitbart and other Far Right Wing Media, and Shawshank Trump only Follows 47 People on his Twitter Account, who are his Relatives, Far Right Wing Pundits and a few People in his Administration, so he only sees people praising him as everyone in his administration is afraid to criticize him, or those who did so in the past, were seen as Disloyal and quickly replaced.

Shawshank Trump lacks any empathy, so it is apparent that he is a Sociopath. He only has ever been concerned about himself and his family of Grifters.

This Corona Virus showing that after 16,000+ Lies by Shawshank Trump that the Chickens have come home to roost for him that this Country that elected a Reality TV President, who is so unqualified to lead our Country that he does not even care to read or listen to the Daily Intelligence Reports(he just gets bored and turns on Fox and Friends).

Remember this is the same guy, who use to do his own PR while bankrupting his Casinos by calling Media People, using a Fake Name(as surfaced audio tapes have documented).

William Barr, who is so far up Shawshank's Trump's Ass, that Pence, Nunes, Graham, Jim(Don't Google My Name and Ohio State Wrestling) Jordan, Collins, Ingram, Limbaugh and Hannity needed to slide over to make room for him. So Barr thinks a President should have Unlimited Powers? Wonder if he would feel the same if Sanders or Warren would have been the next POTUS? Not my personal choices, but I would of LMAO if it could have happened.

Barr was not able to lie about the Corona Virus though to protect Shawshank Trump like he did getting out in front of the 4 Page Summary of the Mueller Report, and now it is scary how Shawshank Trump has an AG, who works as his Personal Attorney(so he got his Roy Cohn), as Shawshank Trump is slowly turning our Government from a Democracy into an Autocracy by taking over the Justice Department, Intelligence Agencies and other Federal Departments to protect his Unchecked Power(with the help of Spineless GOP Senators, who are afraid of being given a Trump Loyalist in a Primary with Trump's Large CULT Following. Apparently, Lindsay Graham's Backbone was buried with John McCain.

After the GOP Acquitted Shawshank Trump in their Sham(No Witnesses) Impeachment Trial, he became 'Mango Unchained' going after all of his Political Enemies(at least Justice prevailed for McCabe, as even Barr could not get a Grand Jury to bring up Charges).

Mango Unchained has traded in the Countries, who are our Allies, for Countries lead by Dictators(and ignoring interference from Russia with the assistance of 'Moscow Mitch' blocking legislation to protect our elections). Moscow Mitch has let several hundred bills on a variety of issues brought to him go without a vote, so he can use every free day to ram over 190 and counting Federalist Society 'Little Scalias' to the Federal Courts(the hypocrisy on Originalist Judges not being Activist can be saved for another Thread, but they are Activist when it suits their own Right Wing Causes and yes Scalia himself was an Activist Judge at times).

The Courts were the only reason I voted for Hillary Clinton(and she was way more qualified, but then again any GOP Person in the Primary Race was more qualified than Shawshank Trump), as I really did not like her(personal level), although, as an Independent Registered Voter, I would have voted for John Kasich, if he would have been the GOP Nominee, but he was too Moderate to have any chance to beat off an Entire CULT.

Mango Unchained takes the Word of Putin over our own US Intelligence Agencies. He should have been removed from Office for that alone. If Obama would have said that, the Fox Propaganda Talk Show Hosts' Heads would have collectively exploded.

Mango Unchained is really worried, as he knows if he loses the election in November, that the Southern District of NY is sitting on Sealed Document(Remember he was Unnamed Person in the Michael Cohen Case and among other things they were investigating, I assume the SDNY has his Taxes-unless the SCOTUS bails him out with their decision on access to his Taxes this Summer) that will put him in Prison for the rest of life and once out of the White House, he will not have Barr to protect him.

In the End, Our Country will Get what We Deserve if this Racist, Misogynist, Russian Puppet, Sociopathic Grifter and his Organized Crime Family gets re-elected, despite the Dems putting up a Weak Older Candidate in Biden, who does not excite People and looks like he is ready for the Nursing Home(hoping he adds a Strong Woman as VP, and my preference is he selects Stacey Abrams, who got screwed out of her own Georgia Governor Race through Voter Suppression when her Opponent controlled it Election Process in his past position while he was also allowed to run as the GOP Candidate against her, as she will excite people, especially Black Voters in some States who will most likely need to wait out several hours in long lines to vote with States like Texas shutting down over 700 Polling Places and over 500 of which are in areas where mostly Non White People live).

I did not agree with most of George W Bush's Policies(especially Chaney's influence on him to go to War with Iraq was a stupid Clusterf**k), but at least I did not fear that Bush would turn our Democracy into an Autocracy(and he did not try to take over the Justice Department), and he was a likable person and not a White Nationalist, Criminal, who maintained relationships with our True Allies and he was not Putin's B*tch.

I hope Mango Unchained and his 2 'Fredo' Older Sons have several Rallies in the next month and take Selfies and Shake Hands with all of his CULT Members. This Jack*ss gave the Racist, Misogynist Limbaugh the Presidential Freedom of Honor.

I have only been listening to the Medical Experts and Scientists(another Group of People the GOP have tried to remove, even before Shawshank Trump became POTUS, from Government or Defund their Research) to follow for advice during this Corona Virus until it is contained.
You got issues
 
I am a centrist politically; that said, I highly doubt that anyone on either side of the isle will come through this situation and not want to pull the plug on his presidency/political career.
I would not count on that, as the GOP Members(except for House Members in Safe Gerrymandered Districts) up for Re-election, needs the Trump CULT MAGA Base in High Numbers to go to the Polls in November, as he has taken over the GOP like a Parasite eating that Party from the Inside Out.

Tom Cotton(Arkansas Senator) and Rock Scott(Florida Senator) have placed TV Ads up I think was in Ohio(being a Swing State) ahead of this Primary and it was not just to help Trump in the General Election, but both of them are savvy enough to go after the Trump CULT MAGA Base for 2024, as both of them seem to be planning to run as the GOP Nominee.

I thought Nicky Haley was a strong Possibility to run as a GOP Candidate in the Post Trump Era, but in recent Months she had praised him, so despite being one of the few People to leave his Administration unscathed, she now has reverted to aligning with him(or signal it to his CULT MAGA Voters), so she also is going after the Trump CULT. We will see what happens in the future, but I doubt the GOP will ever self correct itself to where it was Prior to Trump infecting and taking over their Party. Now if any Candidate running off of Trump, has his Marketing and Con Artist Skills, time will only tell.
 
You got issues
Yeah, I have issues with with a White Nationalist(Fine People on Both Sides), who instead of Draining the Swamp, only made it Deeper with His Corrupt Cabinet(where he only hires 'Acting Directors' which is one of the Reasons we are in this Clusterf**k of handling a Pandemic). Add in that he rather hang out with and praise Dictators while damaging Relationships with our NATO Allies.

Then Having that Neo-Nazi(who is somehow a Jew, so go figure), Stephen Miller, who must have gotten stuffed into his Locker a lot in Middle School and now he out for revenge(the irony is under his own immigration policy, that his Family would have never been allowed to enter the US years ago), as his Main Advisor on keeping 'Those People'(the Non White Ones) from entering our Country including Refugees fleeing Violent Gangs in fear of their Lives and Putting Kids in Cages(seriously, how low has our Country sunk?) and Shawshank Trump and his Family is a Wanna Be Organized Crime Operation and a bunch of Grifters.

Now he lied to the American Public for 2 Months that will affect my income, by not getting ahead of this Pandemic, and also because he initially gutted the Pandemic Office because he has Obama Penis Envy(like he has gutted every Obama Program or Executive Order that he possibly could so far) and was worried not about the Health of the American People(except his one family), but only about the Stock Market that could affect his Re-Election, which ironically tanks almost every time(except one a few days ago) when he goes and does a Speech or a Press Conference.

Yeah, I have issues, but only with this Sociopath who through a combination of forces(including what a Terrible Candidate that H. Clinton was being too stupid to ignore the Voters in the Midwest Swing States), became POTUS, and still after he had Barr get him off from what Mueller found, only waited 1 Day to call Ukraine to Blackmail their President to get Dirt on his anticipated Opponent in the 2020 Election.

Shawshank Trump has Broken all Norms to try and turn our Democracy into an Autocracy, and if his Cheating and Voter Suppression Tricks by the GOP does not get him re-elected, he knows, that the Southern District of NY, will put him and his pal Rudy(how bad to you need to be to get investigated by the District Office, which you used to be in charge of?) away for life.

I am an Independent Registered Voter and not a Democrat, but I am sure they will still possibly find a way to lose the next election, but as a PITT Football Fan, I get the same similar feeling when they play most of their Big Games(with a few Exceptions).

So many Good Democratic Governors(I liked how Steve Bullock when Governor of Montana got 'Dark Money' out of the State Political Elections and I think a Few other Democratic Governors would have been a Good President-although the Bar has been set so low now, you just need to read the Daily Intelligence Briefings and not claim everyone in our Government is part of the Deep State). There are also a Few Good Senators, and all Dems as Party can do for the Final 2 Choices is leave it up to Biden, who can we trust Grandpa with the Keys to the Car when he might drive it into the Farmers Market? Sanders, who is so far left, he would not win more than 5-8 States(Sorry Bernie Bros, but you know it is true. as the US is a Center Right/Center Left Country overall). I do want everyone to have Healthcare(with a mix of strengthening the ACA and add a Public Option to help keep Insurance Companies from overpricing through competition), but with Sanders, he wants to give away so many other Things, I was surprised he did not have Free iPhones for every Citizen.

You have a problem with what I think about the Facts and how Trump(Racist, Criminal, Putin's B*tch, and a Sociopath with No Capability of Empathy and that is just a Short List) and the GOP has gutted Science and Truth, then feel free to put me on your 'Ignore' List.

Melania Trump-Be Best(LOL)
 
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I think Governor DeWine in Ohio, a Republican, is doing a tremendous job in his state! He has handled this whole situation appropriately and they have been ahead of the curve on this.

It’s not a partisan thing to call the sky blue.
Yes, and John Kasich(also a Republican) before him did a Good Job as the Ohio Governor(I am not just saying that because he grew up in the Pittsburgh Area-McKees Rocks?), although of course he did not have a Pandemic to deal with like DeWine, but most of the US Governors(DeWine, and Most Democrats and Republicans) along with Local Politicians/Health Care Professionals/Scientists have picked up the Ball dropped by the Federal Government and have had a Good Game Plan to do what they can given the circumstances, while it is like having Milkdud/4th Quarter Franklin as the current POTUS.
 
closing down china was an amazing first step the trump got killed for. its the main reason we are not italy right now. testing was absolutely mishandled. he is 1-1 right now in this. testing produces numbers not cures.
if anyone on this board thinks that yesterdays 10 person gathering, school closures and bar and restaurant ban should have been done in january then they are insane.

i could only imagine the response if that had happened. which is what people are saying by when they argue this hasnt been handled well
 
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For the umpteenth time. We as a country are 6 to 8 weeks late dealing with this virus. The reason for having a pandemic crisis team, which Trump dumped in early 2018, was to get out ahead of any epidemic anywhere in the world. Trump got rid of it because Obama created. There is no depth to the man's ignorance and pettiness.
I’m not singling you out, Wbr, but I find this entire thread deplorable. Why is it in everyone’s nature to blame? I absolutely acknowledge that there were mistakes by the Feds here. How could there not be? Pandemics aren’t exactly a thing they have to deal with daily. This administration cut positions but those job responsibilities were absorbed and performed within by the beaucracy. The previous administration cut billions from agencies like the CDC and allocated the money to Obamacare. But I’m not going to blame Obama because maybe those monies weren’t being well spent. I’m sure Obama had his reasons and who are we to question? In spite of the personnel cuts trump made, they still somehow still had the resources to deploy to China and help them through this thing. But China declined. People (leftists) want to rip this administration but it’s pretty difficult to fight a virus that we know nothing about and had no way to know because China wouldn’t let us. Not only that, but China hid this from the world for months. If it’s in our nature to place blame, that’s where our energies can be placed. This is a challenge and a balancing act for this administration not seen in our lifetime. Trump had to balance the fight against this virus with the fight against an economy that could collapse because of it. If that happens, we become susceptible to other illnesses. Poor countries are not healthy countries. This is a time for us to unite not divide.

if we want to hold the current administration accountable, let’s see if we end up like Italy. If we do, and it’s looking like it’s a possibility, then it’s fair game. But so many of the anti trump memes are distortions that become “fact” before they are debunked...but by then it’s too late and there’s already outrage. It really is deplorable.
 
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For the umpteenth time. We as a country are 6 to 8 weeks late dealing with this virus. The reason for having a pandemic crisis team, which Trump dumped in early 2018, was to get out ahead of any epidemic anywhere in the world. Trump got rid of it because Obama created. There is no depth to the man's ignorance and pettiness.
That is an example of what I was talking about. It’s a nice talking point, but it’s not accurate. This from the Washington Post should clear things up. But I suspect many who hate our President won’t care enough to read it, or won’t care even if they do.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/
 
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I’m not singling you out, Wbr, but I find this entire thread deplorable. Why is it in everyone’s nature to blame? I absolutely acknowledge that there were mistakes by the Feds here. How could there not be? Pandemics aren’t exactly a thing they have to deal with daily. This administration cut positions but those job responsibilities were absorbed and performed within by the beaucracy. The previous administration cut billions from agencies like the CDC and allocated the money to Obamacare. But I’m not going to blame Obama because maybe those monies weren’t being well spent. I’m sure Obama had his reasons and who are we to question? In spite of the personnel cuts trump made, they still somehow still had the resources to deploy to China and help them through this thing. But China declined. People (leftists) want to rip this administration but it’s pretty difficult to fight a virus that we know nothing about and had no way to know because China wouldn’t let us. Not only that, but China hid this from the world for months. If it’s in our nature to place blame, that’s where our energies can be placed. This is a challenge and a balancing act for this administration not seen in our lifetime. Trump had to balance the fight against this virus with the fight against an economy that could collapse because of it. If that happens, we become susceptible to other illnesses. Poor countries are not healthy countries. This is a time for us to unite not divide.

if we want to hold the current administration accountable, let’s see if we end up like Italy. If we do, and it’s looking like it’s a possibility, then it’s fair game. But so many of the anti trump memes are distortions that become “fact” before they are debunked...but by then it’s too late and there’s already outrage. It really is deplorable.
"Lefties" indeed. You mean like Newt Gingrich?
Please confine your cheerleading to the Locker Sewer.
I would simply point out that the pooh poohing and downplaying coming from Trump's own mouth has hurt this effort immensely and the uncertainty it created spooked the markets as much as the virus itself.
 
That is an example of what I was talking about. It’s a nice talking point, but it’s not accurate. This from the Washington Post should clear things up. But I suspect many who hate our President won’t care enough to read it, or won’t care even if they do.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/

I think that there are multiple points of view on the matter but that discourse is a good thing (for example, if you believe something is a talking point and/or overly politicized, provide an article like the one above that provides a detailed explanation of the other side of the argument).

Here is an outlook like the one above from Beth Cameron (also printed in the Washington Post), who understood the former configuration pretty well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...0de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html '

FWIW, I think that the Trump team response has been much better over the past week. And, Trump actually handed the matter well yesterday though he was late to the party on projecting the seriousness of the matter.
 
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That is an example of what I was talking about. It’s a nice talking point, but it’s not accurate. This from the Washington Post should clear things up. But I suspect many who hate our President won’t care enough to read it, or won’t care even if they do.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/
An opinion piece from a Trump supporter.
Here's another opinion piece that tells a different story.

You're right about one thing, the final referendum on this president will come in November, until then, I for one hope he continues in his new found grown up mode.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...a-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html?outputType=amp
 
Unfortunately, your message is never going to be heard or accepted by those 40%(Approximate Guess), who only get their 'Alternative Facts'(as put by Kelly Ann Con Way) from the Fox Propaganda Machine, Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Breitbart and other Far Right Wing Media, and Shawshank Trump only Follows 47 People on his Twitter Account, who are his Relatives, Far Right Wing Pundits and a few People in his Administration, so he only sees people praising him, as everyone in his administration is afraid to criticize him, or those who did so in the past, were seen as Disloyal and quickly replaced.

Shawshank Trump lacks any empathy, so it is apparent that he is a Sociopath. He only has ever been concerned about himself and his family of Grifters.

This Corona Virus showing that after 16,000+ Lies by Shawshank Trump that the Chickens have come home to roost for him that this Country that elected a Reality TV President, who is so unqualified to lead our Country that he does not even care to read or listen to the Daily Intelligence Reports(he just gets bored and turns on Fox and Friends).

Remember this is the same guy, who use to do his own PR while bankrupting his Casinos by calling Media People, using a Fake Name(as surfaced audio tapes have documented).

William Barr, who is so far up Shawshank's Trump's Ass, that Pence, Nunes, Graham, Jim(Don't Google My Name and Ohio State Wrestling) Jordan, Collins, Ingram, Limbaugh and Hannity needed to slide over to make room for him. So Barr thinks a President should have Unlimited Powers? Wonder if he would feel the same if Sanders or Warren would have been the next POTUS? Not my personal choices, but I would of LMAO if it could have happened.

Barr was not able to lie about the Corona Virus though to protect Shawshank Trump like he did getting out in front of the 4 Page Summary of the Mueller Report, and now it is scary how Shawshank Trump has an AG, who works as his Personal Attorney(so he got his Roy Cohn), as Shawshank Trump is slowly turning our Government from a Democracy into an Autocracy by taking over the Justice Department, Intelligence Agencies and other Federal Departments to protect his Unchecked Power(with the help of Spineless GOP Senators, who are afraid of being given a Trump Loyalist in a Primary with Trump's Large CULT Following. Apparently, Lindsay Graham's Backbone was buried with John McCain).

After the GOP Acquitted Shawshank Trump in their Sham(No Witnesses) Impeachment Trial, he became 'Mango Unchained' going after all of his Political Enemies(at least Justice prevailed for McCabe, as even Barr could not get a Grand Jury to bring up Charges).

Mango Unchained has traded in the Countries, who are our Allies, for Countries lead by Dictators(and ignoring interference from Russia with the assistance of 'Moscow Mitch' blocking legislation to protect our elections). Moscow Mitch has let several hundred bills on a variety of issues brought to him go without a vote, so he can use every free day to ram over 190 and counting Federalist Society 'Little Scalias' to the Federal Courts(the hypocrisy on Originalist Judges not being Activist can be saved for another Thread, but they are Activist when it suits their own Right Wing Causes and yes Scalia himself was an Activist Judge at times).

The Courts were the only reason I voted for Hillary Clinton(and she was way more qualified, but then again any GOP Person in the Primary Race was more qualified than Shawshank Trump), as I really did not like her(personal level), although, as an Independent Registered Voter, I would have voted for John Kasich, if he would have been the GOP Nominee, but he was too Moderate to have any chance to beat off an Entire CULT.

Mango Unchained takes the Word of Putin over our own US Intelligence Agencies. He should have been removed from Office for that alone. If Obama would have said that, the Fox Propaganda Talk Show Hosts' Heads would have collectively exploded.

Mango Unchained is really worried, as he knows if he loses the election in November, that the Southern District of NY is sitting on Sealed Document(Remember he was Unnamed Person in the Michael Cohen Case and among other things they were investigating, I assume the SDNY has his Taxes-unless the SCOTUS bails him out with their decision on access to his Taxes this Summer) that will put him in Prison for the rest of life and once out of the White House, he will not have Barr to protect him.

In the End, Our Country will Get what We Deserve if this Racist, Misogynist, Russian Puppet, Sociopathic Grifter and his Organized Crime Family gets re-elected, despite the Dems putting up a Weak Older Candidate in Biden, who does not excite People and looks like he is ready for the Nursing Home(hoping he adds a Strong Woman as VP, and my preference is he selects Stacey Abrams, who got screwed out of her own Georgia Governor Race through Voter Suppression when her Opponent controlled it Election Process in his past position while he was also allowed to run as the GOP Candidate against her, as she will excite people, especially Black Voters in some States who will most likely need to wait out several hours in long lines to vote with States like Texas shutting down over 700 Polling Places and over 500 of which are in areas where mostly Non White People live).

I did not agree with most of George W Bush's Policies(especially Chaney's influence on him to go to War with Iraq was a stupid Clusterf**k), but at least I did not fear that Bush would turn our Democracy into an Autocracy(and he did not try to take over the Justice Department), and he was a likable person and not a White Nationalist, Criminal, who maintained relationships with our True Allies and he was not Putin's B*tch.

I hope Mango Unchained and his 2 'Fredo' Older Sons have several Rallies in the next month and take Selfies and Shake Hands with all of his CULT Members. This Jack*ss gave the Racist, Misogynist Limbaugh the Presidential Freedom of Honor.

I have only been listening to the Medical Experts and Scientists(another Group of People the GOP have tried to remove, even before Shawshank Trump became POTUS, from Government or Defund their Research) to follow for advice during this Corona Virus until it is contained.
Get help.
 
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Unfortunately, your message is never going to be heard or accepted by those 40%(Approximate Guess), who only get their 'Alternative Facts'(as put by Kelly Ann Con Way) from the Fox Propaganda Machine, Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Breitbart and other Far Right Wing Media, and Shawshank Trump only Follows 47 People on his Twitter Account, who are his Relatives, Far Right Wing Pundits and a few People in his Administration, so he only sees people praising him, as everyone in his administration is afraid to criticize him, or those who did so in the past, were seen as Disloyal and quickly replaced.

Shawshank Trump lacks any empathy, so it is apparent that he is a Sociopath. He only has ever been concerned about himself and his family of Grifters.

This Corona Virus showing that after 16,000+ Lies by Shawshank Trump that the Chickens have come home to roost for him that this Country that elected a Reality TV President, who is so unqualified to lead our Country that he does not even care to read or listen to the Daily Intelligence Reports(he just gets bored and turns on Fox and Friends).

Remember this is the same guy, who use to do his own PR while bankrupting his Casinos by calling Media People, using a Fake Name(as surfaced audio tapes have documented).

William Barr, who is so far up Shawshank's Trump's Ass, that Pence, Nunes, Graham, Jim(Don't Google My Name and Ohio State Wrestling) Jordan, Collins, Ingram, Limbaugh and Hannity needed to slide over to make room for him. So Barr thinks a President should have Unlimited Powers? Wonder if he would feel the same if Sanders or Warren would have been the next POTUS? Not my personal choices, but I would of LMAO if it could have happened.

Barr was not able to lie about the Corona Virus though to protect Shawshank Trump like he did getting out in front of the 4 Page Summary of the Mueller Report, and now it is scary how Shawshank Trump has an AG, who works as his Personal Attorney(so he got his Roy Cohn), as Shawshank Trump is slowly turning our Government from a Democracy into an Autocracy by taking over the Justice Department, Intelligence Agencies and other Federal Departments to protect his Unchecked Power(with the help of Spineless GOP Senators, who are afraid of being given a Trump Loyalist in a Primary with Trump's Large CULT Following. Apparently, Lindsay Graham's Backbone was buried with John McCain).

After the GOP Acquitted Shawshank Trump in their Sham(No Witnesses) Impeachment Trial, he became 'Mango Unchained' going after all of his Political Enemies(at least Justice prevailed for McCabe, as even Barr could not get a Grand Jury to bring up Charges).

Mango Unchained has traded in the Countries, who are our Allies, for Countries lead by Dictators(and ignoring interference from Russia with the assistance of 'Moscow Mitch' blocking legislation to protect our elections). Moscow Mitch has let several hundred bills on a variety of issues brought to him go without a vote, so he can use every free day to ram over 190 and counting Federalist Society 'Little Scalias' to the Federal Courts(the hypocrisy on Originalist Judges not being Activist can be saved for another Thread, but they are Activist when it suits their own Right Wing Causes and yes Scalia himself was an Activist Judge at times).

The Courts were the only reason I voted for Hillary Clinton(and she was way more qualified, but then again any GOP Person in the Primary Race was more qualified than Shawshank Trump), as I really did not like her(personal level), although, as an Independent Registered Voter, I would have voted for John Kasich, if he would have been the GOP Nominee, but he was too Moderate to have any chance to beat off an Entire CULT.

Mango Unchained takes the Word of Putin over our own US Intelligence Agencies. He should have been removed from Office for that alone. If Obama would have said that, the Fox Propaganda Talk Show Hosts' Heads would have collectively exploded.

Mango Unchained is really worried, as he knows if he loses the election in November, that the Southern District of NY is sitting on Sealed Document(Remember he was Unnamed Person in the Michael Cohen Case and among other things they were investigating, I assume the SDNY has his Taxes-unless the SCOTUS bails him out with their decision on access to his Taxes this Summer) that will put him in Prison for the rest of life and once out of the White House, he will not have Barr to protect him.

In the End, Our Country will Get what We Deserve if this Racist, Misogynist, Russian Puppet, Sociopathic Grifter and his Organized Crime Family gets re-elected, despite the Dems putting up a Weak Older Candidate in Biden, who does not excite People and looks like he is ready for the Nursing Home(hoping he adds a Strong Woman as VP, and my preference is he selects Stacey Abrams, who got screwed out of her own Georgia Governor Race through Voter Suppression when her Opponent controlled it Election Process in his past position while he was also allowed to run as the GOP Candidate against her, as she will excite people, especially Black Voters in some States who will most likely need to wait out several hours in long lines to vote with States like Texas shutting down over 700 Polling Places and over 500 of which are in areas where mostly Non White People live).

I did not agree with most of George W Bush's Policies(especially Chaney's influence on him to go to War with Iraq was a stupid Clusterf**k), but at least I did not fear that Bush would turn our Democracy into an Autocracy(and he did not try to take over the Justice Department), and he was a likable person and not a White Nationalist, Criminal, who maintained relationships with our True Allies and he was not Putin's B*tch.

I hope Mango Unchained and his 2 'Fredo' Older Sons have several Rallies in the next month and take Selfies and Shake Hands with all of his CULT Members. This Jack*ss gave the Racist, Misogynist Limbaugh the Presidential Freedom of Honor.

I have only been listening to the Medical Experts and Scientists(another Group of People the GOP have tried to remove, even before Shawshank Trump became POTUS, from Government or Defund their Research) to follow for advice during this Corona Virus until it is contained.
WOW...are you filled with hate!
 
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"Lefties" indeed. You mean like Newt Gingrich?
Please confine your cheerleading to the Locker Sewer.
I would simply point out that the pooh poohing and downplaying coming from Trump's own mouth has hurt this effort immensely and the uncertainty it created spooked the markets as much as the virus itself.
Everyone. Please excuse me for trying to be the voice of reason. Continue your trump bashing if it makes you all feel better. I thought some were capable of rising above it.
 
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Trying to continue to put politics in this crisis is short-sighted and foolish. Anyone who tries to do it should be ignored. Unfortunately, that would mean over half of this board would be on Ignore.
 
Yeah, I have issues with with a White Nationalist(Fine People on Both Sides), who instead of Draining the Swamp, only made it Deeper with His Corrupt Cabinet(where he only hires 'Acting Directors' which is one of the Reasons we are in this Clusterf**k of handling a Pandemic). Add in that he rather hang out with and praise Dictators while damaging Relationships with our NATO Allies.

Then Having that Neo-Nazi(who is somehow a Jew, so go figure), Stephen Miller, who must have gotten stuffed into his Locker a lot in Middle School and now he out for revenge(the irony is under his own immigration policy, that his Family would have never been allowed to enter the US years ago), as his Main Advisor on keeping 'Those People'(the Non White Ones) from entering our Country including Refugees fleeing Violent Gangs in fear of their Lives and Putting Kids in Cages(seriously, how low has our Country sunk?) and Shawshank Trump and his Family is a Wanna Be Organized Crime Operation and a bunch of Grifters.

Now he lied to the American Public for 2 Months that will affect my income, by not getting ahead of this Pandemic, and also because he initially gutted the Pandemic Office because he has Obama Penis Envy(like he has gutted every Obama Program or Executive Order that he possibly could so far) and was worried not about the Health of the American People(except his one family), but only about the Stock Market that could affect his Re-Election, which ironically tanks almost every time(except one a few days ago) when he goes and does a Speech or a Press Conference.

Yeah, I have issues, but only with this Sociopath who through a combination of forces(including what a Terrible Candidate that H. Clinton was being too stupid to ignore the Voters in the Midwest Swing States), became POTUS, and still after he had Barr get him off from what Mueller found, only waited 1 Day to call Ukraine to Blackmail their President to get Dirt on his anticipated Opponent in the 2020 Election.

Shawshank Trump has Broken all Norms to try and turn our Democracy into an Autocracy, and if his Cheating and Voter Suppression Tricks by the GOP does not get him re-elected, he knows, that the Southern District of NY, will put him and his pal Rudy(how bad to you need to be to get investigated by the District Office, which you used to be in charge of?) away for life.

I am an Independent Registered Voter and not a Democrat, but I am sure they will still possibly find a way to lose the next election, but as a PITT Football Fan, I get the same similar feeling when they play most of their Big Games(with a few Exceptions).

So many Good Democratic Governors(I liked how Steve Bullock when Governor of Montana got 'Dark Money' out of the State Political Elections and I think a Few other Democratic Governors would have been a Good President-although the Bar has been set so low now, you just need to read the Daily Intelligence Briefings and not claim everyone in our Government is part of the Deep State). There are also a Few Good Senators, and all Dems as Party can do for the Final 2 Choices is leave it up to Biden, who can we trust Grandpa with the Keys to the Car when he might drive it into the Farmers Market? Sanders, who is so far left, he would not win more than 5-8 States(Sorry Bernie Bros, but you know it is true. as the US is a Center Right/Center Left Country overall). I do want everyone to have Healthcare(with a mix of strengthening the ACA and add a Public Option to help keep Insurance Companies from overpricing through competition), but with Sanders, he wants to give away so many other Things, I was surprised he did not have Free iPhones for every Citizen.

You have a problem with what I think about the Facts and how Trump(Racist, Criminal, Putin's B*tch, and a Sociopath with No Capability of Empathy and that is just a Short List) and the GOP has gutted Science and Truth, then feel free to put me on your 'Ignore' List.

Melania Trump-Be Best(LOL)

You need psychiatric help. Find it today. Seriously. A long post of rambling lies is a symptom of serious psychosis.

But for now, you're just another poor soul on Ignore.
 
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