Kade Bell....
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I dont think its the case of being pushed out. He seems to have a connection to Scott Frost so with Duzz maybe only having 1 year left, 2 at best, it would probably be a good career move to start a with a new regime in the Big 12.
the offense after the Cal game wasn't the same thing we saw in the games before then. Was it the injuries? Teams seeing film and figuring him out? Play fast largely became run up to the line of scrimmage fast and look aimlessly at the sidelines for what to do for 15 seconds.
I think one more year is deserved. Then if both Bell and Narduzzi flop, make a total house cleaning. I don't want to start next year with Narduzzi and another new OC.
I'll shed a few tears if Duzz hires another of "his" guys at OC.
Narduzzi looked extensively into the offensive coordinator position, talking to 15 different names and digging around to find the best fit, and Cignetti checked all the boxes he was looking for to take over Pitt’s offense in 2022.
“It starts with his energy and knowledge. … First thing you’re looking for is good people,” Narduzzi said. “If you don’t have good people, you have problems. And we’ve improved this building, we’ve improved this staff with coach Cignetti hiring. So, it’s great people, family guy, back home, I mean all those things are important."
I'm totally fine with him coming back. But I can't say I'd care all that much if he didn't.
I'm no X's and O's guru, but this offense didn't seem to have much of an answer to teams dropping safeties back in coverage.
Yea. Much prefer he comes back because he seemed adequate and I have PTSD from the Cignetti hire so I dont trust Duzz. But wouldn't be a huge deal if he left. Maybe you hire some Sun Belt OC and he brings his guys with him, who are better than the Western Carolina guys.
I think I'm kind of just resigned to the fact that there is no OC who is going to weave straw into gold.
We were physical in 2018. We beat up on weaker ACC lines and got our lunch handed to us against better defensive lines such as Penn State, Notre Dame, Miami, and Clemson.
We were gimmicky this season. It worked against bad defenses. It didn't work against good defenses.
We just need much better players, and we don't really have a head coach who is going to attract big-time offensive talent on a consistent basis.
Is Holstein actually a great qb ?
He has lots of problems reading coverages since the second half of the cal game
How do you define "great QB"?
Maybe it was the injury, but Holstein's arm was not at all impressive, and he was a disaster down the stretch.
And don't forget that Dooz ran Whipple off. Would have done it one year earlier but Pickett made coming back for his last season conditional on Dooz retaining Whip. Then there never would have been 2021, and nobody would still be laboring under the delusion that Narduzzi is a good head coach.
All conjecture, and as time goes by it's stated like it's fact.
Whipple was still under contract in 2021. He resigned in 2022 and took the job at Nebraska making 2x what he was making at Pitt. Those are the facts.
He was on Pitt's payroll recruiting Chuba Purdy to Nebraska. He should have been run out.
I'm not saying what should or shouldn't happen. Just saying he was forced into early retirement and didn't want to retire.
He didn't even have a Pitt item on while at Purdys house.
Similar to Tomlin and Arians
He interviewed with Nebraska on Sunday. Visited Purdy on Monday, and resigned from Pitt on Tuesday. I can't tell you if Pitt knew he was interviewing with Nebraska or found out after, but he was supposed to be on a recruiting trip for Pitt.
I also don't know if Pitt was going to retain him, but he was still under contract when he resigned.
And the stuff about 2021 is all complete conjecture. Yes, Pickett came back to work with Whip, who had a year left on his contract. He came back because he was told he would be a 5th round pick, and it would be best to show improvement. That's what we know.
Narduzzi was going to cut ties with Whipple after 2020, but Pickett said that him coming back to Pitt would be contingent on retaining Whipple. Pickett was very close to transferring to Notre Dame.
Why do you assume Whipple wasn't thinking of leaving? Who said Narduzzi was going to fire Whipple?
There was someone on the pay board who went into this in pretty solid detail at the time. They even provided a timeline for how everything matched up, where Notre Dame went and got the dude from Wisconsin like right after Pickett announced he was coming back.
I wasn't there, so I can't say with 100% certainty. But it all jived. And if I recall correctly, Pickett alluded to something kind of ambiguously in the interview with the former Penn State tight end, but it made sense if you knew of these events before you watched it.
And Narduzzi has bashed Whipple how many times since he left? I don't think this was all conjecture.
The comment I remember from Kenny's mouth in an interview was something like: I had a discussion with coach Narduzzi and told him that if coach Whip was here I was coming back, otherwise he was going to the NFL because he didn't want to learn another offense. Duzz assured him that Whip was going to be here.
In my mind, it's a bit of a stretch to turn this into - Narduzzi was running Whipple out of town until Kenny gave him the ultimatum. Nobody knows what Narduzzi was going to do, and if anything he tends to hold onto assistants too long.
Narduzzi did bash Whipple after he left. He bashes a lot of people after THEY leave. Especially guys interviewing for another job while on a recruiting trip for you.
Did he not also say that he consulted Peyton Manning - who then made some phone calls and determined Pickett would be a mid-round pick - and he didn't view himself as a mid-round pick? That doesn't jive with "Whipple or NFL."
Anyone is going to believe what they want to anyway. I'm just saying: the account a poster gave on this seemed pretty detailed to make up.
He is a frosh QB starting his 1st game at Pitt.
Last year Pitt was 3-9.
Some of the posts here make me LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Ok, I'm going by what I remember KP saying. So you're saying it was Pitt w/Whip or Notre Dame or NFL.
Not sure it makes a difference to whether Whip was getting run off by Duzz and Pickett saved him.
I would have fired Whipple in 2022 after his Arizona trip. Instead resigned and took the Nebraska job the next day.
I'm saying he kicked the tires on the NFL and decided he didn't like his draft positioning feedback, and then it became Pitt/Whipple or Notre Dame.
Unless somebody on the other board was a good storyteller.
But, just putting the pieces together, I think it's reasonable to discern that Pitt and Whipple were trending toward heading in different directions pre 2021 for that to even have been a contingency of Pickett's. And I can't recall if the poster even mentioned such - he may have.
Despite a banged up and at times just bad offensive line, Pitt was one of the top teams in the country statistically running between the tackles (tbf, quite bad outside of it.)
And Holstein's numbers (140.6 QB rating, 17/7 TD to int, 7.7 Y/A) even as a freshman were better than Jurkovec or Vellieux last year; and better than Slovis or Patti in 2022. And they're better than Pickett's numbers for 2017, 2018, 2018, 2019, and 2020. Obviously not for 2021.
So overall, I'd like to see Bell and Holstein back and build around them at least for a couple years before Bell almost inevitably is gone. But if we can't afford a better offensive line, the team is in trouble in the NIL era in general.
And Holstein's numbers (140.6 QB rating, 17/7 TD to int, 7.7 Y/A) even as a freshman were better than Jurkovec or Vellieux last year; and better than Slovis or Patti in 2022. And they're better than Pickett's numbers for 2017, 2018, 2018, 2019, and 2020. Obviously not for 2021.
So overall, I'd like to see Bell and Holstein back and build around them at least for a couple years before Bell almost inevitably is gone. But if we can't afford a better offensive line, the team is in trouble in the NIL era in general.
It’s evident that PN has the wrong boxes.
serious question, what do you consider "reading coverages"?
Eli and any young QB is not going to be put into a position of pre-snap reading more than to think man v zone and then go through progressions and throwing to the open #1 or #2 and maybe getting to #3 if given time before it becomes extend the play and run either upfield or enough with eyes up to find someone and throw accurately
"great" college QB's show that ability mentally and physically early and I am not sure about Eli with all the outside factors influencing him and needing to be considered but he looked to check several boxes at a high level
that said, he seemed to be different after injury and it's hard to overlook the interception early in the Louisville game as you can't not see that player or miss so badly but imo one of his consistent problems in on accuracy and touch with short passes, early on receivers helped him catching everything, later on receivers caught little and did not help him or Yarnell
I watched one of Peak's podcasts, and he called that a good read and a bad throw.
I wholeheartedly disagree. It was an awful read. All he was doing was throwing it to the primary route - nothing special about that. But he failed to read the defense and therefore threw it right into the guy's chest.
A great read but a bad throw would have involved him throwing it over the defender and just missing due to accuracy issues. This was not that.
I'd need to look again but to reply to your points
imo, the read was a simple and good(not great because it didn't need to be) read of the open #1 receiver , the read includes seeing the defender which you are saying he didn't? otherwise an accurate throw would have been a lofted throw over the "defender's" head rather than the bullet he threw flatly into the defenders chest
I think he never "saw" the defender underneath and threw a quick hard and inaccurate(low) ball without touch which he's shown he's prone to do before and after, often to Reid who's bailed him out on several
btw, I always trust but never blindly that Peak guy,,,,,Kamara, right?
That's kind of what I'm saying. He saw Mumpfield open insofar as having beaten the defender in the back of the end zone, but that was only part of the read. If he had made the entire read, he would have put a different trajectory on the pass. It wasn't that he threw it poorly; it was that he never saw the defender who picked it. That's not exactly diagnosing a defense.
I think it has everything to do with how hard it is to work with Pat. I keep saying it wouldn’t shock me if Pat started showing up to more and more offensive meetings when we got to 7-0.
Everyone knew the turnaround was Bell and not him. Then he is suddenly tweeting out garbage and appearing on interviews saying how he mastered NIL. His ego is huge.
definitely the read has to include seeing the field
again, I need to rewatch but thought at the time inaccurate and no touch in this case
if the ball's trajectory otherwise gets to Mumpfield, then of course it is the read problem and not accuracy
weird, I don't Twitter much but do have an account yet never looked up any of the Duzz's
where was the mastered NIL video?
Oh he definitely has no touch on short passes. He has fired some rockets to Reid on the short stuff that had to be great catches in order to be completed.
I believe it was Virginia where he threw one to Reid in the flat, and it took Reid making a phenomenal catch to turn it into the biggest play of the night.
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