Kenny Pickett’s Development

[Zeldas Open Roof]

That’s how I remember it
Completing a 4 yard pass on 3rd and 25 after back to back self sacks seems to be my memory

I remember him being decent when things were clicking. If we had a running game going, he could complete a PA pass. (See va tech game, the one good game shell had with us).

But if we needed a big play, if things fell thru and we needed him to be the guy to make a play, we were screwed.

So imo not terrible, better then pickett, dinucci and bostick, but far worse than Pete, Truman, Priestley, stull, Nate, savage and of course rod and Tyler.

Tino vs voytik would be an interesting debate.

 

[Minnesotapanther]

I don't want to close my mind on his ability to improve. Hindsight is always 2020. I agree that Watson was a lousy hire.I really feel he held Kenny back. If Coach Whipple can develop this qb, I feel he could be a good qb,if not a great one. He is takcharge and I believe he has the intangeble qualities to be good.

 

[McKee Place]

I remember him being decent when things were clicking. If we had a running game going, he could complete a PA pass. (See va tech game, the one good game shell had with us).

But if we needed a big play, if things fell thru and we needed him to be the guy to make a play, we were screwed.

So imo not terrible, better then pickett, dinucci and bostick, but far worse than Pete, Truman, Priestley, stull, Nate, savage and of course rod and Tyler.

Tino vs voytik would be an interesting debate.

"To err is Truman"
-- Benjamin Franklin Pierce

 

[DiehardPanther]

He is looking good at the Manning Passing Camp.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Okay I want to see a report on my desk by noon showing the performance of every QB at the Manning camp since its implementation vs the performance of that upcoming season! Also, graph your findings!

He is looking good at the Manning Passing Camp.

 

[PittFanDan17]

He is looking good at the Manning Passing Camp.

Plus only a handful of FBS QB's were invited so that just shows how people view Pickett. Talk about a great learning experience for Kenny, it can only help.

 

[thebadby2]

Tino was a

Plus only a handful of FBS QB's were invited so that just shows how people view Pickett. Talk about a great learning experience for Kenny, it can only help.

Manning Academy invitee. Voytik was invited to the Elite 11 camp and was graded as the top performer in a group that included Jameia Winston.

Point being, none of that $hit means anything. You can either play QB at the P5 level or you can’t. Camp invitations and coaches’ public comments are meaningless. The players around you, especially the OL, and the OC have a ton to do with it as well, but at the end of the day, you’re either good enough or you’re not.

To this point Pickett has flashed but for the most part has looked like a fish out of water. He REALLY should’ve redshirted his freshman year but for reasons that don’t make any sense he didn’t.

I do believe from the way he played last year that Watson put too much in his head. Whipple will hopefully simplify things for him, but we don’t know how that will translate or if he has the given football instincts to make plays on his own. He certainly did not show that ability last season.

 

[joeydavid]

I don't comment often, but I will be shocked if Pickett is the answer. He's had 15 games, of which 12 were average to dreadful. What I saw was a qb who runs into sacks, doesn't see open receivers, doesn't throw the receiver open, and doesn't have a touch to throw the ball over the linebackers and in front of the dbs. I love his intangibles, though, and want nothing more than for him to succeed and pray to God my crow eating starts in the first game against Virginia.

In his best 7 games he averaged 188 yards passing; completed 64% of his passes; had 14 TDs and only 3 picks. He averaged only 23 attempts in this games and didn't see a bunch of pressure. Pitt went 5-2 losing to UCF and UNC (his bottom 2 QB rating games of that group). His QBR was 156.11.

The other 7 games he averaged 93 yards passing; completed 50% of his passes; had 1TD and only 3 picks. He averaged only 21 attempts in these games and saw a bunch of pressure. Pitt went 2-5 losing to Miami, ND, Stanford, PedSt and Clemson. His QBR was 83.31.

When you look at the split - who they were playing and the pressure those teams applied were very much the difference.

His QBR in his best 7 games would have placed him in top 15 last year. He obviously needs to improve his consistency to get there.

 

[jtbuba]

In his best 7 games he averaged 188 yards passing; completed 64% of his passes; had 14 TDs and only 3 picks. He averaged only 23 attempts in this games and didn't see a bunch of pressure. Pitt went 5-2 losing to UCF and UNC (his bottom 2 QB rating games of that group). His QBR was 156.11.

The other 7 games he averaged 93 yards passing; completed 50% of his passes; had 1TD and only 3 picks. He averaged only 21 attempts in these games and saw a bunch of pressure. Pitt went 2-5 losing to Miami, ND, Stanford, PedSt and Clemson. His QBR was 83.31.

When you look at the split - who they were playing and the pressure those teams applied were very much the difference.

His QBR in his best 7 games would have placed him in top 15 last year. He obviously needs to improve his consistency to get there.

In the 7 games he averaged 93 yards the o-line and backs did a very poor job in pass protection especially on blitz packages. The new coordinator stressed this after the spring game that a lot of work will be done this fall to correct this issue. If the o-line gets it together we will have a great year.

 

[Scruffy the Panther]

That’s how I remember it
Completing a 4 yard pass on 3rd and 25 after back to back self sacks seems to be my memory

I remember no come from behind wins ever by him and 8 sacks in the last WVU game.

 

[Pittski]

is easily the biggest factor in determining how far this team goes this year. Pickett has had some very strong performances (Miami in 2017, Duke, Wake Forest) that lead you to believe he can be a difference maker but other times when the passing game really held the team back.

Obviously a lot has to do with the receivers, Whipple and the OL. I do really like both Mack and Ffrench and Matthews has carved out a solid role. Whipple should have some decent material to work with. The OL is the biggest question mark, IMO but the staff seems happy with who they’ve got considering how they are recruiting the position.

The defense and special teams are going to be good, maybe very good. The schedule is not all that bad. Pickett has a solid opportunity here to really help move the program forward.

NEWCFO, you need to check the numbers again. This isn’t about “Kenny’s development”. You presume Kenny was the biggest reason and have NO ACTUAL insight.

No silver bullets here chief. The OC and WR coaches weren’t getting it done for two seasons and neither was the former OL coach but hey, let’s dump that on the shoulders of one kid and his ability to auto-correct all these sins... That seems totally reasonable.

The passing game looked terrible last season. It looked terrible the year before when Pitt marched Max Browne out like a sacrificial virgin... Do you really think that was a fair representation of Max Browne and his overall talent??? Btw, you make a statement that QB development is the biggest key, then state that OL development is the biggest question mark. Is your point that Pitt has a lot to demonstrate on offense this season? I think we’re aware.

You seem like a fan but don’t oversimplify the challenge ahead. It’s not just Kenny’s development, OL development, it’s offensive installations, can our RB’s pick up blocking assignments, are any of the TE’s going to show up. This is the biggest offseason challenge Pitt has had since Canada left but I would submit that the stakes and challenges are greater because of year 5. There are no easy/simple answers.

 

[Pittski]

Tino was a

Manning Academy invitee. Voytik was invited to the Elite 11 camp and was graded as the top performer in a group that included Jameia Winston.

Point being, none of that $hit means anything. You can either play QB at the P5 level or you can’t. Camp invitations and coaches’ public comments are meaningless. The players around you, especially the OL, and the OC have a ton to do with it as well, but at the end of the day, you’re either good enough or you’re not.

To this point Pickett has flashed but for the most part has looked like a fish out of water. He REALLY should’ve redshirted his freshman year but for reasons that don’t make any sense he didn’t.

I do believe from the way he played last year that Watson put too much in his head. Whipple will hopefully simplify things for him, but we don’t know how that will translate or if he has the given football instincts to make plays on his own. He certainly did not show that ability last season.

This is insightful. So again, you don’t think Kenny can play based on his “looking like a fish out of water.” I don’t think you should post based on your propensity for making things up.

Do you “believe from the way he played that Watson put too much in his head.” Is that based on your knowledge of the offense, years of coaching or the many discussions you’ve never had with Kenny or the coaches?

You pontificate like you know and it’s clear that you don’t. Kenny looked like a kid that was getting rushed and knew what was coming. The passing offensive scheme was basic, tired and took too long to develop given the lack of pass protection. A bad plan is a bad plan man, that’s why some coaches are gone!

I hated the passing game and hated the embarrassment of our offense but I know enough about organization to recognize it’s not always or only a personnel problem. People like you shouted ugly things at Bill Stull when he was exiting games and his family had to hear that garbage. He sure looked different when he was given a better plan of attack under Cignetti.

We don’t know how Kenny will do this season but stop the condemnation and b.s. like you know something. It’s negative garbage for the sake of being a jerk.

 

[joeydavid]

This is insightful. So again, you don’t think Kenny can play based on his “looking like a fish out of water.” I don’t think you should post based on your propensity for making things up.

Do you “believe from the way he played that Watson put too much in his head.” Is that based on your knowledge of the offense, years of coaching or the many discussions you’ve never had with Kenny or the coaches?

You pontificate like you know and it’s clear that you don’t. Kenny looked like a kid that was getting rushed and knew what was coming. The passing offensive scheme was basic, tired and took too long to develop given the lack of pass protection. A bad plan is a bad plan man, that’s why some coaches are gone!

I hated the passing game and hated the embarrassment of our offense but I know enough about organization to recognize it’s not always or only a personnel problem. People like you shouted ugly things at Bill Stull when he was exiting games and his family had to hear that garbage. He sure looked different when he was given a better plan of attack under Cignetti.

We don’t know how Kenny will do this season but stop the condemnation and b.s. like you know something. It’s negative garbage for the sake of being a jerk.

Easy big fella, that's way too much common sense for a message board full of negative Nellies...

 

[McKee Place]

Easy big fella, that's way too much common sense for a message board full of negative Nellies...

We get it, you and this other dude are Kenny's fan club. All of us hope your faith is redeemed and all of the others have to eat crow. Until then, their opinions are as at least valid as yours.

 

[joeydavid]

We get it, you and this other dude are Kenny's fan club. All of us hope your faith is redeemed and all of the others have to eat crow. Until then, their opinions are as at least valid as yours.

My comment wasn't about Kenny - it was about a well thought out opinion regarding the whole situation. I'm neutral on him as a QB. I don't think he is a bad as his worse games because of the points listed above. I could also see another QB taking over for him if he doesn't progress a good bit in his second season.

 

[Pittski]

We get it, you and this other dude are Kenny's fan club. All of us hope your faith is redeemed and all of the others have to eat crow. Until then, their opinions are as at least valid as yours.

No one is saying Kenny looked great or that he’s going to be all world. Last season’s numbers speak for themselves. What I am saying is that QB’s improve from one season to the next and a lot of the criticism is misplaced and ill informed. Especially given the offseason changes.

It’s not my opinion that most of these “critics” have been rehashing the same tired lines. I’m no fan boy, I don’t cheerlead. I also won’t condemn a 20 year old for trying to execute a bad game plan while receiving poor instruction. The team is moving forward, you guys can too.

 

[newcfo]

Lol

u mad bro

Ill make this simple - if Pickett doesn’t improve his pocket presence and pre snap reads it will hold the entire team back this season.

As far as the numbers go - Pickett’s numbers are above bostick but below virtually every other pitt starter in the past 20+ years. Voytik in 2014 had much better numbers for example but ended up riding the pine at Arkansas st.

The OL is a question mark - but it’s been a question mark going into more seasons than not in the past 20+ years. Walt’s QBs made it work somehow.

I like Pickett. He’s a good leader and a tough kid. He has a good arm and good athleticism. Lots to like. But bottom line is he is the key to this season and if he can’t improve pitt is not going to be any better. Playing like last year certainly not get us over that inter-generational 10 win hump.

NEWCFO, you need to check the numbers again. This isn’t about “Kenny’s development”. You presume Kenny was the biggest reason and have NO ACTUAL insight.

No silver bullets here chief. The OC and WR coaches weren’t getting it done for two seasons and neither was the former OL coach but hey, let’s dump that on the shoulders of one kid and his ability to auto-correct all these sins... That seems totally reasonable.

The passing game looked terrible last season. It looked terrible the year before when Pitt marched Max Browne out like a sacrificial virgin... Do you really think that was a fair representation of Max Browne and his overall talent??? Btw, you make a statement that QB development is the biggest key, then state that OL development is the biggest question mark. Is your point that Pitt has a lot to demonstrate on offense this season? I think we’re aware.

You seem like a fan but don’t oversimplify the challenge ahead. It’s not just Kenny’s development, OL development, it’s offensive installations, can our RB’s pick up blocking assignments, are any of the TE’s going to show up. This is the biggest offseason challenge Pitt has had since Canada left but I would submit that the stakes and challenges are greater because of year 5. There are no easy/simple answers.

 

[McKee Place]

No one is saying Kenny looked great or that he’s going to be all world. Last season’s numbers speak for themselves. What I am saying is that QB’s improve from one season to the next and a lot of the criticism is misplaced and ill informed. Especially given the offseason changes.

It’s not my opinion that most of these “critics” have been rehashing the same tired lines. I’m no fan boy, I don’t cheerlead. I also won’t condemn a 20 year old for trying to execute a bad game plan while receiving poor instruction. The team is moving forward, you guys can too.

Some QB do improve. Some don't. We've had both.

Nobody will know until the season starts, and actually, not even until a third or so through.

Until then all anyone has to go on is prior performance in past games. He didn't shine in those.

Your opinion based on ... an assumption he'll be better and nothing else... is actually more suspect than an opinion based on actual games played.

Either way, calling people jerks is not going to convince anyone.

 

[thebadby2]

My comment wasn't about Kenny - it was about a well thought out opinion regarding the whole situation. I'm neutral on him as a QB. I don't think he is a bad as his worse games because of the points listed above. I could also see another QB taking over for him if he doesn't progress a good bit in his second season.

Your definition of a “well thought out opinion”-one that agrees with your biased take on all things Pitt. Your definition of a ”negative nelly”-an opinion that doesn’t match your bias.

Re-read my posts that this Pittski clown couldn’t seem to comprehend and tell me exactly where I’m stating something that is factually inaccurate or unfair to Pickett based on his career to date.

 

[joeydavid]

Your definition of a “well thought out opinion”-one that agrees with your biased take on all things Pitt. Your definition of a ”negative nelly”-an opinion that doesn’t match your bias.

Re-read my posts that this Pittski clown couldn’t seem to comprehend and tell me exactly where I’m stating something that is factually inaccurate or unfair to Pickett based on his career to date.

That wasn't directed at you- just a general comment. I agree with most of your post other than mostly looking like a fish out of water. At times sure but that's expected from a young first year QB.

 

[Pittski]

Lol

u mad bro

Ill make this simple - if Pickett doesn’t improve his pocket presence and pre snap reads it will hold the entire team back this season.

As far as the numbers go - Pickett’s numbers are above bostick but below virtually every other pitt starter in the past 20+ years. Voytik in 2014 had much better numbers for example but ended up riding the pine at Arkansas st.

The OL is a question mark - but it’s been a question mark going into more seasons than not in the past 20+ years. Walt’s QBs made it work somehow.

I like Pickett. He’s a good leader and a tough kid. He has a good arm and good athleticism. Lots to like. But bottom line is he is the key to this season and if he can’t improve pitt is not going to be any better. Playing like last year certainly not get us over that inter-generational 10 win hump.

Not mad at all. You’re making the exact points above. The OL was awful and the scheme was bad so Kenny had a ton of pressure and failed to get the ball out fast enough. That’s what Borbs, Whip and Beatty are here to address.

Like you said, he’s an athlete w/ a good arm. Let’s put him in a better situation and see what happens. Nothing is guaranteed but you have to like the odds for improvement.

Your definition of a “well thought out opinion”-one that agrees with your biased take on all things Pitt. Your definition of a ”negative nelly”-an opinion that doesn’t match your bias.

Re-read my posts that this Pittski clown couldn’t seem to comprehend and tell me exactly where I’m stating something that is factually inaccurate or unfair to Pickett based on his career to date.

Lol, Sure thing! I’ll sit around and re-read your posts? You’re an idiot. I wish I hadn’t engaged in this stupid game to begin with. You’re like a baby that wants to keep crying about what happened yesterday. Bye Felicia...

 

[BuffetParrothead]

IMO Pickett has skills but has appeared to be confused, rushed ( happy feet)/ rushes himself, and lacked confidence.

Whipple will develop a simple, effective offensive game plan that will work for Pickett, and the other talented but young PITT players on offense.

A lot of play action, and quick developing plays that will help Pickett find targets, get rid of the ball quicker while building his confidence.

 

[Las Panteras]

Tino was a

Manning Academy invitee. Voytik was invited to the Elite 11 camp and was graded as the top performer in a group that included Jameia Winston.

Point being, none of that $hit means anything. You can either play QB at the P5 level or you can’t. Camp invitations and coaches’ public comments are meaningless. The players around you, especially the OL, and the OC have a ton to do with it as well, but at the end of the day, you’re either good enough or you’re not.

To this point Pickett has flashed but for the most part has looked like a fish out of water. He REALLY should’ve redshirted his freshman year but for reasons that don’t make any sense he didn’t.

I do believe from the way he played last year that Watson put too much in his head. Whipple will hopefully simplify things for him, but we don’t know how that will translate or if he has the given football instincts to make plays on his own. He certainly did not show that ability last season.

Best post yet regarding Kenny Pickett

 

[Jsr862]

Also remeber this is about improvement, not his so much how good HE is.. You can take a homeless woman and slap some makeup on her, that's improvement and that may be enough to pass her into society. But she will never live in a house. So no need to sit here and say how bad Pickett is when we are supposed to be talking about improving past the point is at now. Which a little improvement (not needing to hit his coming potiential) can make a big difference.

 

[cashisking884]

Pickett is what he is as a QB.
He doesn't have a lot of natural feel for the position. He locks onto receivers and cannot throw guys open.

Which is fine. I just described 90% of college QBs. I don't think Whipple is going to develop him a ton. What Whipple needs to do is develop an offense that hides these weaknesses while playing up to his strengths.

Look at Nick Fitzgerald last year at Miss. State. The year before under Mullen he's a very productive QB. The next year under Moorehead he borderline sucks. It's not that Moorehead took Fitzgerald back in his development. The truth is Mullen never developed him. Mullen just designed an offense that hid all of this, whereas Moorehead couldn't.

 

[Pittski]

Pickett is what he is as a QB.
He doesn't have a lot of natural feel for the position. He locks onto receivers and cannot throw guys open.

Which is fine. I just described 90% of college QBs. I don't think Whipple is going to develop him a ton. What Whipple needs to do is develop an offense that hides these weaknesses while playing up to his strengths.

Look at Nick Fitzgerald last year at Miss. State. The year before under Mullen he's a very productive QB. The next year under Moorehead he borderline sucks. It's not that Moorehead took Fitzgerald back in his development. The truth is Mullen never developed him. Mullen just designed an offense that hid all of this, whereas Moorehead couldn't.

Some QB’s are better in one system than another but to say that Pickett doesn’t have a natural feel for the game is an asinine statement. Why the hell do you know about his “natural feel for the game?” How many QB’s have you developed that you can make the assertions about his natural feel or what Whipple will or won’t do w/ the kid?

Guys, I’m really not here to wave the Kenny flag, but some of the stuff you guys post, it’s not opinions they’re just made up statements based on what you thought you saw last year. After the Miami game you guys were calling him the second coming and after a season in a bad offense with a bad line he lacks a feel for the game? Let me send (4) 300lbs men at you unprotected and the only thing you’ll feel is your lungs collapsing and your bowel failure.

 

[cashisking884]

Some QB’s are better in one system than another but to say that Pickett doesn’t have a natural feel for the game is an asinine statement. Why the hell do you know about his “natural feel for the game?” How many QB’s have you developed that you can make the assertions about his natural feel or what Whipple will or won’t do w/ the kid?

Guys, I’m really not here to wave the Kenny flag, but some of the stuff you guys post, it’s not opinions they’re just made up statements based on what you thought you saw last year. After the Miami game you guys were calling him the second coming and after a season in a bad offense with a bad line he lacks a feel for the game? Let me send (4) 300lbs men at you unprotected and the only thing you’ll feel is your lungs collapsing and your bowel failure.

I was never impressed by the Miami game. I said that during the off-season *last year*. Miami made it very easy for him by putting a LB on the slot receivers. Simple read all game long to a receiver that was able to create a lot of space right off the line of scrimmage. I didn't think that was going to continue into this season so was agnostic in my expectations for him.

Pickett just doesn't have very much pocket presence. Everything moves fast for him. Anybody can see it when they watch him play.
If you want to believe that is going to change with a new system, go for it.

 

[Ronaldjacobsattorney]

Pickett will be fine. He may not win the Heisman but he will turn heads.

Jacobs Esq

 

[Pittski]

I was never impressed by the Miami game. I said that during the off-season *last year*. Miami made it very easy for him by putting a LB on the slot receivers. Simple read all game long to a receiver that was able to create a lot of space right off the line of scrimmage. I didn't think that was going to continue into this season so was agnostic in my expectations for him.

Pickett just doesn't have very much pocket presence. Everything moves fast for him. Anybody can see it when they watch him play.
If you want to believe that is going to change with a new system, go for it.

Hard to have a pocket presence with out a pocket.

 

[wbrpanther]

Hard to have a pocket presence with out a pocket.

Therein lies the key to our season. Borbs has to string together an Oline that can run block AND pass protect. All QBs need time in the pocket.

 

[goalieman]

Hard to have a pocket presence with out a pocket.

Therein lies the key to our season. Borbs has to string together an Oline that can run block AND pass protect. All QBs need time in the pocket.

Just my opinion guys but Pickett had a pretty poor year last season ...... of course, some of it was the OL's pass blocking and some Kenny's inexperience and some the OC, etc., etc. ...... but it is clear that Kenny has to improve in a lot of areas to be successful this coming season ...... better pre and post snap reads, going through his progressions and getting rid of the ball faster, better movement in the pocket by stepping up or moving laterally to buy more time for receivers to get open, knowing when to throw the ball away and not take a sack, knowing when to throw a bullet and when to put some air under the ball ...... there are a lot of areas that need to get better, it's a tall order ......

On the other hand, Pickett has a good arm, some athletic ability, a years experience, and an offensive coordinator known for developing a very good passing game ...... therefore, I think there is a pretty good chance that he will significantly improve, how much we will see and of course his surrounding cast will be very important (the OL pass blocking, the receivers, the RB's, etc.) ...... if Kenny doesn't significantly improve, then someone else will get a chance at QB ...... let's hope for the best !

 

[Pittski]

Just my opinion guys but Pickett had a pretty poor year last season ...... of course, some of it was the OL's pass blocking and some Kenny's inexperience and some the OC, etc., etc. ...... but it is clear that Kenny has to improve in a lot of areas to be successful this coming season ...... better pre and post snap reads, going through his progressions and getting rid of the ball faster, better movement in the pocket by stepping up or moving laterally to buy more time for receivers to get open, knowing when to throw the ball away and not take a sack, knowing when to throw a bullet and when to put some air under the ball ...... there are a lot of areas that need to get better, it's a tall order ......

On the other hand, Pickett has a good arm, some athletic ability, a years experience, and an offensive coordinator known for developing a very good passing game ...... therefore, I think there is a pretty good chance that he will significantly improve, how much we will see and of course his surrounding cast will be very important (the OL pass blocking, the receivers, the RB's, etc.) ...... if Kenny doesn't significantly improve, then someone else will get a chance at QB ...... let's hope for the best !

No doubt he has to improve. He needs to demonstrate the ability to make the right read quickly and get the ball to the wr on time. My belief that we’ll see strides comes from the following.
1) This line should be more athletic and thus better suited to pass protection.

2) The scheme is going to provide Kenny more rapidly available opportunities to get rid of the ball.

3) Kenny is never going to have worse protection or scheme than he had last year!

4) Unlike Chad Voytik who simply came to the line knowing where he wanted to go w/ the ball and locked on, Kenny’s failure to find wr’s was out of his route progression AND the fear of getting crushed repeatedly.

Guys like Tino stacked stats on short quick slants to good wr’s. Kenny was being given long developing plays where the WR’s were often open but he had his eyes on the DL in his face or they’d roll to play action and cut the field in half so the players were easily defended.

We’ve seen Kenny make the throws, we’ve had glimpses. I don’t know that greatness is there but there’s certainly some really good in him. By the Akron game (at Akron) I was ready for Voytik to lose the job, he was what he was. We haven’t yet seen what Kenny can be. Give the kid a chance and remember when you’re doing something new, your first time is usually your worst time.

 

[pittdan77]

Pickett is what he is as a QB.
He doesn't have a lot of natural feel for the position. He locks onto receivers and cannot throw guys open.

Which is fine. I just described 90% of college QBs. I don't think Whipple is going to develop him a ton. What Whipple needs to do is develop an offense that hides these weaknesses while playing up to his strengths.

Look at Nick Fitzgerald last year at Miss. State. The year before under Mullen he's a very productive QB. The next year under Moorehead he borderline sucks. It's not that Moorehead took Fitzgerald back in his development. The truth is Mullen never developed him. Mullen just designed an offense that hid all of this, whereas Moorehead couldn't.

I think this is the right answer. Whipple doesn't have time to "develop" a guy that is the returning starter. He might be able to make one or two adjustments but Whipple's job is to make the offense work with what he has. The interesting question is, what happens if he can't make plays?

 

[Pittski]

I think this is the right answer. Whipple doesn't have time to "develop" a guy that is the returning starter. He might be able to make one or two adjustments but Whipple's job is to make the offense work with what he has. The interesting question is, what happens if he can't make plays?

You guys use the word “develop” as though Kenny didn’t speak English and hadn’t played football before. Kenny needs to learn Whipple’s offense and in the course of doing so, Whipple’s going to make corrections and provide direction. It’s not like he needs his mechanics broken down and rebuilt.

 

[pittdan77]

You guys use the word “develop” as though Kenny didn’t speak English and hadn’t played football before. Kenny needs to learn Whipple’s offense and in the course of doing so, Whipple’s going to make corrections and provide direction. It’s not like he needs his mechanics broken down and rebuilt.

I hadn't realized that I said he needed his mechanics broken down and rebuilt because I can't find that.

 

[Pittski]

I hadn't realized that I said he needed his mechanics broken down and rebuilt because I can't find that.

You didn’t accuse him of not speaking English either, but you may as well have...If John Donovan was still the OC at PSU do you really think Trace McSorley would have been a Big Ten champion and had so much success? Whipple is going to install his offense and instruct a kid who he’s stated has more than enough ability. The same kid that chose Pitt over B.C., UNC, Iowa, etc is now our starter.

I swear, only a Pitt fan would enter the airplane cabin and start rooting against the pilot. “The interesting question is what happens if he doesn’t make plays?” What makes that interesting???

If Kenny was playing behind Biz, Dojo and Bookser then last year would’ve been tragic. Watson’s offense and two straight years of piss poor pass protections have been unbearable but that’s hardly the fault of the kid taking snaps.

 

[Ronaldjacobsattorney]

You didn’t accuse him of not speaking English either, but you may as well have...If John Donovan was still the OC at PSU do you really think Trace McSorley would have been a Big Ten champion and had so much success? Whipple is going to install his offense and instruct a kid who he’s stated has more than enough ability. The same kid that chose Pitt over B.C., UNC, Iowa, etc is now our starter.

I swear, only a Pitt fan would enter the airplane cabin and start rooting against the pilot. “The interesting question is what happens if he doesn’t make plays?” What makes that interesting???

If Kenny was playing behind Biz, Dojo and Bookser then last year would’ve been tragic. Watson’s offense and two straight years of piss poor pass protections have been unbearable but that’s hardly the fault of the kid taking snaps.

As a Penn State alumnus, I concur.

Jacobs Esq

 

[jtbuba]

Hard to have a pocket presence with out a pocket.

Absolutely correct

 

[cashisking884]

No one is saying Kenny looked great or that he’s going to be all world. Last season’s numbers speak for themselves. What I am saying is that QB’s improve from one season to the next and a lot of the criticism is misplaced and ill informed. Especially given the offseason changes.

It’s not my opinion that most of these “critics” have been rehashing the same tired lines. I’m no fan boy, I don’t cheerlead. I also won’t condemn a 20 year old for trying to execute a bad game plan while receiving poor instruction. The team is moving forward, you guys can too.

Lol @ “condemning a 20 year old.” You act like we’re sentencing him to life in prison. Nobody has said a bad word about Kenny the person. You don’t need to White Knight for him this hard. Especially when nothing said has been that crazy or against what everybody has seen so far.
*At best* your argument is: yeah, well, he might be able to get better. And based on that hope, we’ve written long post after long post saying you aren’t a Kenny fan, but everybody that thinks he is what he is as a QB is an idiot.

 

[Pittski]

Lol @ “condemning a 20 year old.” You act like we’re sentencing him to life in prison. Nobody has said a bad word about Kenny the person. You don’t need to White Knight for him this hard. Especially when nothing said has been that crazy or against what everybody has seen so far.
*At best* your argument is: yeah, well, he might be able to get better. And based on that hope, we’ve written long post after long post saying you aren’t a Kenny fan, but everybody that thinks he is what he is as a QB is an idiot.

Bro, I’m tired of pointing out the same things to people who just want to hold on to anger because the season was awful and want to pin it on one kid. Let me be clear, I. Hated. The. Offense. Last. Season. Guys on the pay board will tell you, I was killing HCPN, Watson, Kenny, all of them.

I have zero allegiance to Kenny persé, I’m simply suggesting we afford him the opportunity to show us who he is before WE decide what he is. If you can’t see the sense in that I can’t help you.