I left him out purposely… a man can wish, right?
Konata Mumpfield
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Vince Davis is as tough as nails. Does not tap out. Would play every play.
You can count on him.
Vince Davis can start for me any day.
If I had said what you just did, someone would say how can you think you know better than the coaches.
(been telling me that about Beville for a year)
Well, since Izzy can't stay on the field it probably will be Davis.
We can only hope not.
Even with fewer carries both Abanikanda and Hammond scored more touchdowns than Davis did, and both averaged more yards per carry. And Abanikanda is pretty clearly the better receiver as well.
Davis is the coach's version of Linus' blanket.
We are going to have a new OC,and if our RB coach does retire you never know who could be his favorite of the group
He's the Linus blanket because he's always available and he can block. Izzy has been hurt a lot over his first two years. Hard to depend on a guy like that.
Izzy dictates how much Izzy plays. Can't play when you're in the medical tent.
I would have no issue if Hammond got more carries the other night, but I also know they weren't leaving Beville back there with Hammond to pick up MSU's blitzes.
I think it's a fine line between wishing Izzy&Hammond play more vs. bashing Vincent Davis. Davis is a true Pitt man that puts it on the line for the Panthers every time his number is called. Huge fan of Davis individually....but still wished his number was called a little less. But, hey, he doesn't put himself in the game, the coaches decide that and he does what is asked of him.
While that is true, there were plenty of games this year when both were healthy that Davis had the bigger workload. To not play the better player when that player is healthy because other times that player was hurt is a really stupid way to give out playing time.
Here’s the difference.
Little was known about Beville. Not much more was known about Yellen. And I’m not including the cpl decent games at Az St as all that matters is what he did once he got to Pitt. And what he did wasn’t good by any measure. You were clamoring for a guy who completed 44ish% of his passes in a cpl games with 1 TD and 3 ints. And I also pointed out that nobody knows if his non game efforts are where they need to be. Bottom line is nobody knows but the coaches.
Davis has a much bigger body of work. I’ve seen you say you like Davis quite a few times and I don’t believe I’ve ever said a word to you. Because at least your opinion is based on seeing him a fair amount.
And on Davis he’s actually not bad at all when he has a decent OL and can be a straight ahead runner. But when he turns his back or is called on for tosses and pitch plays it’s a head scratcher but those types of plays aren’t his fault. He’s being asked to do something that he’s not as good at. He’s got a scatback body and what he’s best at needs an Eddie George frame. And I think everyone would agree he’s tough. Can’t say he doesn’t play the game hard.
I’ll say it again. You’re one of the many guys who say the next man should play because he can’t be any worse. As I also said the other day - see Payton on the hoops side. Wouldn’t surprise me if you called for Amadusun to play too but I don’t recall.
It is not bashing a player to say that you think that someone else is better and should be playing more often. To say that we should be throwing the ball more to Jordan Addison than any of the other receivers isn't a shot at those other guys, it's a recognition of the fact that Addison is better.
I did. He can be a worse backup center than Collier.
Not as athletic, but bigger, stronger and same sample looks like better foul shooter.
You're arguing against a strawman that you created.
Izzy has dictated how much Izzy plays. When his blocking has been bad, he sits. When he's hurt, he sits.
That may or may not be a strawman, but it is most certainly absolutely false.
And surely you know that.
The Belleville remark was not directed toward you. (I don’t think)
There were many who wanted him to pass Patti on the depth chart this season and were advocating he be next season’s starter.
I said he was the football team’s version of Terrell Brown.
A player has little say in being removed for a concussion.
He did have a history of tapping out the prior season, Carter and AJ as well.
I didn’t think that part was. I don’t believe there would be any reason to. I’ve certainly never supported playing him just for the sake of it. In fact I was pi$$ed when Patti went down. I posted immediately in the game thread I thought he hurt either his shoulder or collarbone. I certainly was not in favor of wanting to see what Beville could do.
Not to mention the whole offensive line is coming back with younger players who will push the for playing time2022 Skill Positions
QB: Slovis
RB: Abanikanda, Hammond
WR: Addison, Mumpfield, Wayne
TE: Bartholomew
Who has been the starting RB? When was Izzy removed for no reason so Vincent Davis could be given his carries?
This whole Vincent Davis stealing carries conspiracy is reaching LaRod Stephens-Howling hater levels.
Something is missing in Izzy's game. Looks like Tarzan but isn't the natural runner I read about.
He reminds me of a poor man's Rashad Mendenhall.
He reminds me of a poor man's Rashad Mendenhall.
Ah, another poster that infinitely knows better than the coaches
Izzy got his 2nd head injury of the season. To me this is more bad luck than injury prone.
I like Hammond, hits the hole hard. Vince not big but solid.
Izzy lead the RB’s in Yards, YPC, TD’s, longest run…you name it he was the leader in every category for our RB’s. He has that next gear as ppl saw on the KR TD and when he gets the toss to the outside.
We have a nice group of RB’s and they are all needed. Add in Carter at FB, who could also be a nice short yardage back.
I like Hammond, hits the hole hard. Vince not big but solid.
Izzy lead the RB’s in Yards, YPC, TD’s, longest run…you name it he was the leader in every category for our RB’s. He has that next gear as ppl saw on the KR TD and when he gets the toss to the outside.
We have a nice group of RB’s and they are all needed. Add in Carter at FB, who could also be a nice short yardage back.
I agree he is not a natural runner and at the start of the year you could see him hesitant. But despite this he lead us in every running category and got better as the year went on.
Sorry for derailing this thread. It's about Mumpfield not the RBs.
Welcome KM, hope you kill it next year!
Welcome KM, hope you kill it next year!
Your entire argument is based on the silly premise that the coaches don’t want to win, and that they would somehow intentionally sit players who will help them win because… reasons?
I don't think anyone is saying that.
You, Joe, I, whoever and the coaches can have made different evaluations of the talent.
Also: It is my opinion that Value is not entirely based on measurable statistics.
Izzy really is the full package.
He can block well, good receiver, has moves and speed. He just needs more carries. I get he is always injured, and that has been his only drawback so far.
He has an NIL deal now too
He can block well, good receiver, has moves and speed. He just needs more carries. I get he is always injured, and that has been his only drawback so far.
He has an NIL deal now too
Did you actually watch Pitt play this season? And I'm not asking that facetiously, I am 100% seriously asking you that. Because if you didn't see any times when we were rotating the backs every series or two, with a series for Hammond thrown in every so often, then you either couldn't have been watching or you weren't paying attention to what was going on.
A perfect example would be the Virginia Tech game, where at the end of three quarters both Davis and Abanikanda had the same number of carries. And then in the 4th quarter when we were trying to salt the game away Abanikanda carried the ball 12 times and Davis carried it twice.
Or if you'd like an example in the opposite direction, in the Tennessee game Abanikanda had the first two and last two carries of the 4th quarter and Davis got the six carries in the middle. On a day that Davis went for 40 yards on 19 carries and 16 yards on those six fourth quarter carries while Abanikanda went for 46 yards on his 12 carries and had 22 yards on his four 4th quarter carries.
There were plenty of times this season when both guys were healthy and they rotated carries throughout the game. The fact that you seem to have completely missed that is not really a point in your favor.
And your entire argument is based on the silly premise that the coaches don't sometimes make mistakes and play the wrong guys, because they are gods who never make mistakes.
Or is it true that when a backup has gotten a chance to play that they never outperform the previous starter?
Who is the starting RB Joe? If Izzy stays healthy he's by far and away leading the team in carries.
Rotating running back carries isn't a conspiracy. As Izzy started picking up his assignments better, he played more... until injuries forced him out of Clemson, UVA, Syracuse, limited him against Wake, and out of the bowl game. Not counting him being hurt most of last year.
WMU is the only game where he was healthy and wasn't used. Duzz said as much and said they need to get him carries. But, they threw the ball the entire game so everyone knows why he wasn't in there.
Since Davis and Abanikanda both started the same number of games, both? Neither?
Coaches can make mistakes. Of course. But as a regular old fan, they're certainly less prone to make mistakes than you or I. Plenty of folks have pointed out reasons Izzy hasn't played more. Are they part of this conspiracy as well?
As has been mentioned often, durability is a concern with Izzy. He has the greatest “big play” capability of Pitt’s RB’s.
The next step for him will to become more of a workhorse and not so much of a racehorse. If he can overcome the injury bug (and that often involves just having some good fortune) then I think Izzy’s # of carries will continue to increase. As they say: “You can’t coach speed”.
We both know Izzy took over from Clemson on, until he missed the Syracuse game because of injury.
Ha. If the new OC starts using him in a way that plays more to his strengths instead of trying to use him like he’s a big bruising back he would be more effective.
Man, Love this. I also heard we were getting a wr transfer from somewhere in Florida. Like a directional school?
I would think if he is going to retire he should do so soon so Pitt can begin looking for his replacement.
