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Sorry, but you're crazy if you think WVU is a bad team. I'd dare Pitt to play our schedule. I'm not even saying WVU is really good, but they are a solid team that certainly isn't going to be fearful of Pitt. We've gone toe-to-toe with a lot of very good teams over the past several years (with a ton of losses being 3pt or less games).

In short, you're WAY underestimating WVU and, if you look at our schedule, you'll see that Pitt will be the 4th or 5th best team we play this year.
Let's see what happens on the field next Thursday night
 
Sorry, but you're crazy if you think WVU is a bad team. I'd dare Pitt to play our schedule. I'm not even saying WVU is really good, but they are a solid team that certainly isn't going to be fearful of Pitt. We've gone toe-to-toe with a lot of very good teams over the past several years (with a ton of losses being 3pt or less games).

In short, you're WAY underestimating WVU and, if you look at our schedule, you'll see that Pitt will be the 4th or 5th best team we play this year.

I looked at your schedule. We'd probably be the 2nd best team you play this year. Third best of we have a bad year.

So you're saying the wvu that didn't receive one vote in the AP poll and is probably ranked in the 70's or 80's is a solid team? LOL! OK. I know anything can happen and Pitt could play entirely out of character and play a mistake filled game, and that might give wvu a chance of winning. It could happen. I'm not counting on it, though. If it does happen, I was saying that would be damaging to Pitt because we'd be losing to an unranked, poor team. That never helps anyone.
 
I never said bring on Bama. I said we have the talent to compete with them. I also said we can beat them but it would be an upset. Please don't misrepresent what I said so you can make a fallacious argument. If you don't think we can go 13-0 this year, you are wasting your time following this team. People keep talking about how great Tennessee is. Why? A QB we have beaten 2 out of the 3 times we played against him? A coach with such a great system the we have beaten him the last 2 times we played him and 2 out of 3 overall? We have 4 6th year seniors on our Oline and a 5th year senior. We have numerous defensive players who will likely be drafted in the first 3 or 4 rounds next year. We have 2 pass catchers who were freshman AAs last year. We have a QB who was 1st team all PAC 12 the last year he was healthy (and had his head coach past week 2). History is a funny thing, it is in the past. We are legitimately a National Title contender in the present. Why crap on the season before it starts?
If I had any doubt that you're nuts before, I don't now.

Didn't need to read any further than this:

we have the talent to compete with them.

But just for fun, I did, then I got to this:

We are legitimately a National Title contender in the present.
 
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If WVU is close, how do people have anything above 7-4 or 8-5?

If WVU ends up being a 50-50 game, there’s going to be a ton of 50-50 games this year. And realistically you probably win half of your 50-50 games in any given year.
It must suck to be you.

How many times a day does the sky fall on you?
 
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Sorry, but you're crazy if you think WVU is a bad team. I'd dare Pitt to play our schedule. I'm not even saying WVU is really good, but they are a solid team that certainly isn't going to be fearful of Pitt. We've gone toe-to-toe with a lot of very good teams over the past several years (with a ton of losses being 3pt or less games).

In short, you're WAY underestimating WVU and, if you look at our schedule, you'll see that Pitt will be the 4th or 5th best team we play this year.
Beat it hoopie!!
 
I feel that this home opener has at least as much hype since Wannys first game against Notre Dame on national TV. We ended up getting blown out in the game.

Being a Pitt fan I have a nagging sense we get the rug pulled out from us and end up 0-2 with two blow outs to start the season and knocked out of the top 25 for good the rest of the year. Afraid our new OC and QB combo are going to take some time to figure things out. We had a magical season last year and really amped up expectations for this year. What would have been our record last year if we had junior season Kenny Pickett versus senior KP, maybe 8-4?

This board will become insufferable with nitters and hoopies in the coming weeks if that happens.

I hope I'm wrong but as we get closer to the season I get more worried we are closer to a 7-5, 8-4 team this year and not in the top 25.

Hope the magic carries over from last year and we aren't the "same ole Pitt". Hope the 4th Quarter of the Peach Bowl wasn't the turning point back to reality of a lifelong Pitt fan.

I'll be rooting hard next Thursday for our Panthers but just wanted to verbalize what I'm guessing a lot of us have in the back of their minds heading into the season.
I hope your life gets better and you stop seeing disaster under every rock and around every corner.

For me, every year is "The Year", until it isn't. Why spend any emotional investment in foreseeing bad things?
 
If I had any doubt that you're nuts before, I don't now.

Didn't need to read any further than this:

we have the talent to compete with them.

But just for fun, I did, then I got to this:

We are legitimately a National Title contender in the present.
I'm done wasting time with you. You have yet to provide any arguments to support your statements. You just like to trash people to feel better about yourself. Sad existence you have. I feel much sympathy for you.
 
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My Pitt experience was having the team go 11-1 for 3 years in a row when they easily could have won a few MNC's. Expect the best and see what happens. Last year was a long over-due joy. Why not Pitt?
 
I'm done wasting time with you. You have yet to provide any arguments to support your statements. You just like to trash people to feel better about yourself. Sad existence you have. I feel much sympathy for you.
Well we can start with this fact-Alabama’s talent level and depth are greater than Pitt’s by a factor of exponents. That’s a straight up fact. I’m surprised anyone on earth wouldn’t concede that. Then we can move to Pitt as a “legitimate national championship contender” this season. Please provide the factual basis for that outlandish statement. Because there’s not one.

Do you actually believe this will be a better Pitt team than last year’s, after losing a record setting, first round QB and his OC?

There’s optimism, which is reasonable this year give the team we have, and nonsense, which is what you are pushing.
 
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Then we can move to Pitt as a “legitimate national championship contender” this season. Please provide the factual basis for that outlandish statement. Because there’s not one.


Hey, there are only 28 teams* with lower betting odds to win the national championship!

28!



* - Obviously this could vary slightly from one book to another.
 
Sorry, but you're crazy if you think WVU is a bad team. I'd dare Pitt to play our schedule. I'm not even saying WVU is really good, but they are a solid team that certainly isn't going to be fearful of Pitt. We've gone toe-to-toe with a lot of very good teams over the past several years (with a ton of losses being 3pt or less games).

In short, you're WAY underestimating WVU and, if you look at our schedule, you'll see that Pitt will be the 4th or 5th best team we play this year.
Since when did the Big 12 become the SEC, the Tornado Division?
 
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Hey, there are only 28 teams* with lower betting odds to win the national championship!

28!



* - Obviously this could vary slightly from one book to another.
That sounds just about right for this year. What are the actual odds that are posted for Pitt? Basically at least 20 of those teams realistically have pretty close to a zero chance.
 
That sounds just about right for this year. What are the actual odds that are posted for Pitt? Basically at least 20 of those teams realistically have pretty close to a zero chance.



For a team that far down the list the numbers vary pretty widely depending on where you look, but we are typically in the neighborhood of +10000 to +15000. So between 100-1 and 150-1.
 
Since when did the Big 12 become the SEC, the Tornado Division?
Oklahoma, Baylor, and Oky State are all better than Pitt....probably Texas too. In addition, we don't have the luxury of playing teams like UVA, Duke, BC, GT, etc. in front of 30k "fans". Even a road game against a Texas Tech or Iowa State are played in front of a passionate, raucous crowd. You can ignore it if you wish, but about the only team in the ACC that has that level of energetic fan support and difficult home field environment is Clemson and VT (and VT isn't very good). KU is the only team in the B12 that is an easy win. But, even our mid-level teams present a real challenge when you have to travel there and play in those environments.
 
I'll agree with that, but Toledo wasn't the opener at least.
As far as having expectations and not meeting them goes, hard to top 2003. Top 10 preseason... lose to Toledo.
Agree with you here. We were ranked #9 going into the game and had this WR named Fitzgerald. Also it was a day that several Big East teams lost to mediocre opponents. Walt at his best.
 
Oklahoma, Baylor, and Oky State are all better than Pitt....probably Texas too. In addition, we don't have the luxury of playing teams like UVA, Duke, BC, GT, etc. in front of 30k "fans". Even a road game against a Texas Tech or Iowa State are played in front of a passionate, raucous crowd. You can ignore it if you wish, but about the only team in the ACC that has that level of energetic fan support and difficult home field environment is Clemson and VT (and VT isn't very good). KU is the only team in the B12 that is an easy win. But, even our mid-level teams present a real challenge when you have to travel there and play in those environments.
Well then, it’s settled. You stay in the Big Xll, and we’ll stay in the ACC. Everyone’s happy.

Now that that’s behind us, you can go back to your own board.
 
Oklahoma, Baylor, and Oky State are all better than Pitt....probably Texas too. In addition, we don't have the luxury of playing teams like UVA, Duke, BC, GT, etc. in front of 30k "fans". Even a road game against a Texas Tech or Iowa State are played in front of a passionate, raucous crowd. You can ignore it if you wish, but about the only team in the ACC that has that level of energetic fan support and difficult home field environment is Clemson and VT (and VT isn't very good). KU is the only team in the B12 that is an easy win. But, even our mid-level teams present a real challenge when you have to travel there and play in those environments.
How do you know they are better? No games have been played.
 
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Oklahoma, Baylor, and Oky State are all better than Pitt....probably Texas too. In addition, we don't have the luxury of playing teams like UVA, Duke, BC, GT, etc. in front of 30k "fans". Even a road game against a Texas Tech or Iowa State are played in front of a passionate, raucous crowd. You can ignore it if you wish, but about the only team in the ACC that has that level of energetic fan support and difficult home field environment is Clemson and VT (and VT isn't very good). KU is the only team in the B12 that is an easy win. But, even our mid-level teams present a real challenge when you have to travel there and play in those environments.
Cool story. Without Texas and OU, the Big12's average attendance is around 49k. The additions will only drag that down. The ACC's average is 48k.

And OU, Baylor, and OkState might all be better than Pitt but those three plus Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, ISU, and all the new schools coming in are better than WVU (according to the FPI) along with the top half of the ACC. Save that garbage for VPI.
 
Well then, it’s settled. You stay in the Big Xll, and we’ll stay in the ACC. Everyone’s happy.

Now that that’s behind us, you can go back to your own board.
I'm hoping we do stay in the B12 and there's a pretty reasonable chance you will hoping to join within a few years too. MAYBE we'll throw you a lifeline.
 
Cool story. Without Texas and OU, the Big12's average attendance is around 49k. The additions will only drag that down. The ACC's average is 48k.

And OU, Baylor, and OkState might all be better than Pitt but those three plus Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, ISU, and all the new schools coming in are better than WVU (according to the FPI) along with the top half of the ACC. Save that garbage for VPI.
Cool story. Without Texas and OU, the Big12's average attendance is around 49k. The additions will only drag that down. The ACC's average is 48k.

And OU, Baylor, and OkState might all be better than Pitt but those three plus Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, ISU, and all the new schools coming in are better than WVU (according to the FPI) along with the top half of the ACC. Save that garbage for VPI.
And without Clemson and VT, the ACC numbers are crap. And that even includes the laughable attendance numbers that Pitt tries to cook-up.
 
I'm hoping we do stay in the B12 and there's a pretty reasonable chance you will hoping to join within a few years too. MAYBE we'll throw you a lifeline.
Whatever it takes for you to feel better about your football team.

Blind optimism in the face of a dark reality is something to be proud of.

Well done.
 
I looked at your schedule. We'd probably be the 2nd best team you play this year. Third best of we have a bad year.

So you're saying the wvu that didn't receive one vote in the AP poll and is probably ranked in the 70's or 80's is a solid team? LOL! OK. I know anything can happen and Pitt could play entirely out of character and play a mistake filled game, and that might give wvu a chance of winning. It could happen. I'm not counting on it, though. If it does happen, I was saying that would be damaging to Pitt because we'd be losing to an unranked, poor team. That never helps anyone.
Baylor, OU and ok state are all ranked higher than us. So as of now, we are the 4th best team they play. i mean i hate to take his side but.. he's got a point.
 
I’m sure a decade ago hoopies were just dying to be in a football conference with Houston, ucf, Kansas, k state, iowa st , Texas tech and Cincy. What a nice cohesive group of P5 schools
 
We all need to be a lot more confident in the program. Another ACC winner will lift recruiting...I hope.
Possibly. If you're counting on Pitt attracting more high level recruits due to winning, player development, culture etc., then another ACC Championship probably won't move the needle that much.

However, if you're saying another championship might inspire a huge influx of donors and NIL money, then it certainly might have an impact.
 
Baylor, OU and ok state are all ranked higher than us. So as of now, we are the 4th best team they play. i mean i hate to take his side but.. he's got a point.


True, but those are also the only three Big 12 teams ranked in the preseason AP poll (the one where some moron didn't vote Texas number one).

You know, because the Big 12 is the deepest conference in the history of mankind.
 
Even a road game against a Texas Tech or Iowa State are played in front of a passionate, raucous crowd. You can ignore it if you wish, but about the only team in the ACC that has that level of energetic fan support and difficult home field environment is Clemson and VT (and VT isn't very good).
Sounds like a Nitter ... they don't hand out national championships as attendance awards. PSU fans have had to learn the hard way that the team has to actually perform on the field.
 
If WVU is close, how do people have anything above 7-4 or 8-5?

If WVU ends up being a 50-50 game, there’s going to be a ton of 50-50 games this year. And realistically you probably win half of your 50-50 games in any given year.
I don't think it's a 50/50 game I think Pitt wins unless wvu is plus 2 in TO or Daniels drastically out plays slovis. I would say it's a 70/30 game favoring Pitt.
 
True, but those are also the only three Big 12 teams ranked in the preseason AP poll (the one where some moron didn't vote Texas number one).

You know, because the Big 12 is the deepest conference in the history of mankind.
No. But it’s always deeper than the ACC. And I mean always.
 
No. But it’s always deeper than the ACC. And I mean always.


Well sure.

Assuming that you have a short enough memory to think that "always" means "the last couple of years".

I mean some people remember when Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State were jokes pretty much every season and were three of the absolute worst programs in the country. But I get that some people either weren't paying attention or just can't remember things like that.
 
For a team that far down the list the numbers vary pretty widely depending on where you look, but we are typically in the neighborhood of +10000 to +15000. So between 100-1 and 150-1.
225-1 can be had at Station Casinos in Vegas right now, 200-1 at a couple other places.

At those odds Pitt actually not a horrible play.
 
225-1 can be had at Station Casinos in Vegas right now, 200-1 at a couple other places.

At those odds Pitt actually not a horrible play.


I agree, I think Pitt's chances are probably better than 200-1. When I said it was 100-1 to 150-1 I actually thought that was reasonable for a bet like that.
 
No. But it’s always deeper than the ACC. And I mean always.
Looking at the AP poll, the ACC has 5 ranked teams while the B12 has 3. The B12's highest team will be leaving as soon as they can.

I'm afraid that doesn't support the B12 is always deeper.
 
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