Maurice Ffrench
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Eh... Had a few carries, no? I think he's going to be replacing Lopes at WR. Possibly as soon as next game. Staff definitely seems bent on Ffrench being Henderson's reserve. And, maybe by mid-season, Matthews taking the spot of Weah. Or, at least getting more reps as a starter than Weah. Looks like Tipton's already replaced Challingsworth/Ford.
I like it. Get the youngsters out there. Let 'em get reps.
I like it. Get the youngsters out there. Let 'em get reps.
Ideally French would redshirt, but they absolutely need someone else who can be threatening on the jets to compliment QH. Agree LRL isn't cutting it.
Yup. Until proven otherwise, Henderson, Tipton, Ffrench and Matthews are easily the most compelling talents at WR that have taken snaps this season. I just don't trust Weah. Ford, of course, is out. Lopes hasn't done anything just yet to impress. And, Challingsworth's either still hurting or just isn't getting it done.
Oh, yeah, Weah can maybe take a slant and do a little damage or possibly slip by someone deep, but getting open on the full route tree and making contested catches ... Ford would a third WR at best for Louisville, Miami, any top ACC team, and was clearly the best outside WR this team had.
I like Mathews and Flowers over time, but they just aren't plug and play guys like Fitz, AB, Boyd, more developmental guys like Street. Tipton has some potential, not an all conference type, but maybe a reliable guy, but again, early in the developmental curve.
AB and Boyd were both development tours at WR until they got a chance to prove otherwise.
Dude, Boyd started from day one ... pretty sure AB did, too, but either way he was the second leading WR by FAR his freshman year (844 to 184).
No problem with using Ffrench in the 4th game of the season. Now, if this were the 10th game and PITT was 4-5 on the season, then things would be a little different. PITT still has an opportunity to win their division.
With this theory why not burn MacVittie's ship as well. Ffrench with not make that much of an impact to burn his ship.
I think the "opportunity" is pretty damn slim, but the season is still young and the experience is there for him to gain. Lopes shouldn't be on scholarship, let alone on the field.
Definitely, but the opportunity is still there. College football is a crazy animal when teams go on a run. I mean, the secondary is due to pick off at least 1-2 passes per game for the rest of the season, right?
At this point I would be pleased if the secondary knocked down 2 more passes total the rest of the season.
No doubt about that! Just turn your head once in a while and find the ball! Good gracious, the number of catches with 2-3 PITT players in the immediate area where no one is looking for the ball is painful.
Why did Lewis stop on that first TD (he might have been down at the 1, I can't remember) and not even try to knock the ball out? He slowed down, watched him catch it in front of Webb and tackled him into the end zone. It was one of the worst DB plays I have ever seen.
I wish I had the ability to jump in these players' heads. It's the same question I would have on the final TD to win the game. If you are going to interfere with a player, why not pull him to the ground or shove him completely out of bounds? Sure, they may get an un-timed down, but you live to fight for another play.
You missed the point- they were both developmental players until they got a chance to play. Boyd didn't play WR in high school and AB was the last recruit taken when a spot opened up late.
Who knows what you have until they get their chances. The freshman haven't had their chances yet.
Who knows what you have until they get their chances. The freshman haven't had their chances yet.
I don't like to see redshirts burned for OL guys, because they take time to develop, and a lot of them stay around for their 5th year. But with offensive skill players, I think its silly to be concerned about burning a redshirt. If they can help you this year, even a little bit, you play them.
With offensive skill players, if they turn out to be great, they won't stay around for their 5th year anyway, maybe not even for their 4th year.
If they turn out to be pretty good but not great, well, there are more where they came from, and a lot of them are ready to play early. So if they're good but not great and they don't get a 5th year, the guys who are one, two and three years behind them can take their place, and with good recruiting should be as good or better.
Seeing as there are 8 or 9 games left it is too early to say he won't help them this year.
Pitt is not in a position YET to keep all young players on redshirt status, we might need the help now or at least until we become a talent rich program, it would be nice to redshirt all freshmen but i don't think Pitt can redshirt them all right now
Weah is just a very mechanical player who, as good of am athlete as he is, does not look fluid out there in anything he does.
Yup. Might as well get the future out there. Really do believe Henderson, Tipton, Matthews and Ffrench will be the primary cogs at WR/FL next season as well as a possible JUCO or SR transfer.
If you're Pitt, you don't care about redshirts. Especially when you're out there selling recruits on starting from day one in this program. You've got to get some horses in the stable before you can have the luxury to worry about redshirting kids out of convenience.
If you are a talent rich program you don't redshirt that many FR unless they are not good enough. If you are a talent developing program that relies on experience and coaching and are not getting top quality recruits, that is when you redshirt almost all FR. The best programs play a lot of their FR.
You are kidding? Right? If you have talented sophs, juniors and seniors why wouldn't you redshirt the freshmen unless there is a really outstanding freshmen. Pitt has to play their best now and don't have the luxury of red shirting everyone, yet. We just might need our talented freshmen right now
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The teams bringing in really talented players don't redshirt most of those players. They play them, even if it is just on special teams and in blow outs. If a (especially skill) player is really good, he won't likely be around for 5 years anyway.
True, Players are needed and speedy fast ones and you play what you have even if it is young and you try and win now but it takes time, there is no other choice.
There is an old coaches adage, for every rookie you play right away his growing includes making mistakes and expect to lose one game for each one playing.
However, as time passes and the game become familiar to him he will payoff big time in coming years if he stays healthy.
All Players will tell you the biggest difference between High School Recruits playing First Games in College Football is speed and size and College Players will tell you that biggest difference between College and NFL is again speed of the game and size.
This is why it is so special to find such Players that play in their first year in College like Dorsett, Fitzgerald, and Revis, Whitehead, Boyd, Barkley, and many Bama and Clemson Players we saw in last years NCS Game. The are rare but in this day an age happens more often now. Coaches will play you especially if they need you.
Finally, one other point many NFL Pros Coaches will tell you, the most talented Player does not always play in the NFL, there the Smartest Players play that make fewer mistakes. You can have all the size, speed, and talent, but if you make mistakes you won't play as often and less splaying means makes it harder to adapt to the game to get better.
Limas Sweed, Kornell Stewart, were given chances to play and had talent but never develop the mental toughness to win and sooner were bench and let go or traded, and one best example is the 1994 AFc Championship Game, when in the last minutes on a third-and-14, Humphries bit Tony Martin on 43-yard touchdown pass when Steelers cornerback Tim McKyer was badly beaten and left crying as his Teammates held him up. Tim McKyer was never seen again in a Steeler Locker room!
Narduzzi is playing what he and the coaches are the best Players learning the game and with the talent that can help them win later as seen in practice, but that is a growing process of confidence, mistakes, and even 10 Players make perfect execution, and just one player makes a mistake the play can look like the entire team was not doing it jobs and coaches too.
The difference bettwe Elite coaches is not just great recruiting and developing that talent but how the Players execute together with all that talent and that is also Elite coaching.
This is why BAMA's Saban, and OSU's Meyers, FSU's Fisher are so damn good no matter where they coach. USC's Carroll was that way too.
And even Great Coaches like ND Kelly, OU's Stoops, LSU Miles, Texas Strong, even with great FB Programs that support them, get beat by the Elite above.
Then there are the New Challengers like Michigan's Harbaugh, Clemson's Swinney, Stanford's Shaw, Houston's Herman trying to do the same as above.
That is an old and antiquated adage for a reason. It shouldn't and doesn't apply anymore in any sport or league, whether it college or pros. And, really, in all actuality it was probably pretty stupid back in the day, too.
Jpripper88, post: 1599752, member: 2044"]That is an old and antiquated adage for a reason. It shouldn't and doesn't apply anymore in any sport or league, whether it college or pros.
I can agree in College that is coming less accurate, because then High Schools are really preparing the Players even better today. Great Coaches & Staff can adapt younger talented players faster now a seen by Saban, Meyers, and Petrino.
And, really, in all actuality it was probably pretty stupid back in the day, too.
But in regards to the NFL, only you think that is stupid and just don't know how wrong you are right now! Players that make mistakes don't play long in the NFL even with talent! Any Pro Coach will tell you that and you will learn it is true!
I can agree in College that is coming less accurate, because then High Schools are really preparing the Players even better today. Great Coaches & Staff can adapt younger talented players faster now a seen by Saban, Meyers, and Petrino.
And, really, in all actuality it was probably pretty stupid back in the day, too.
But in regards to the NFL, only you think that is stupid and just don't know how wrong you are right now! Players that make mistakes don't play long in the NFL even with talent! Any Pro Coach will tell you that and you will learn it is true!
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If he's the best QB, why not? Maybe he should've started game 1.
Players that make mistakes? Sure. That isn't locked into rookies. Rookies are contributing more than ever in the NFL because of the salary cap and roster limitations. However, they play less than FR in college because you have a deeper pool of roster options and you are limited by the number of the best players you can get in one year via the draft system.
Teams that "redshirt" 10% of their payroll are not going to be successful.
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so what you are saying is that teams like Alabama don't redshirt because they are a highly talented team, i don't buy that theory, they have real good players in all classes and don't need most of the freshmen unless he is a superstar talent
They don't redshirt because they want contribution from their 85 and realize it is better to get those players snaps and experience right away than hope they develop and contribute 4 more years. It rarely happens. A player either leaves after 4 years (whether they contributed for 3 or 4) or they moved elsewhere long before that. Other than with OL, it is very rare you have a 5th year player who has been contributing for multiple years. Alabama enrolled 22 freshman and 14 of them have already played. Do you think they have the issue of not having talented SOs, JRs, or SRs? Of the 8, who haven't played, 3 are OL and 3 are CBs. Alabama took 2 WRs in the class and both have played despite Alabama having the best WR core in the country. Both FR RBs have played as well.
"Jpripper88, post: 1600023, member: 2044"]Players that make mistakes? Sure. That isn't locked into rookies.
You miss the point and clearly don't know it. There is Big Difference in learning from College then learning in the NFL, you don' that and Rookies in College are different from Rookies learning in the NFL all Pros Coaches & Players know it and College Coaches know too, just not you?
Rookies are contributing more than ever in the NFL because of the salary cap and roster limitations.
This is true but not their play is not based on any Salary Cap nor Roster Limitations those are aspects but not the reason why they play or don't play? There is another aspect between College Rookeis and NFL Rookies that is far more direct Impact on them playing sooner and longer and applies later too Players. So you off topic already and just don't know it!
However, they play less than FR in college because you have a deeper pool of roster options and you are limited by the number of the best players you can get in one year via the draft system.
Again an aspect but you still don't why and there is big difference between CFB Players Rookies and Players and NFL and you just don't it!
Teams that "redshirt" 10% of their payroll are not going to be successful.
Redshirts and Payrolls are again tangential nothing but there is far more bigger reason and Coaches & Pros know and educated me on it, you just don't know it. If you ask me nice i'll educate you?
You miss the point and clearly don't know it. There is Big Difference in learning from College then learning in the NFL, you don' that and Rookies in College are different from Rookies learning in the NFL all Pros Coaches & Players know it and College Coaches know too, just not you?
Rookies are contributing more than ever in the NFL because of the salary cap and roster limitations.
This is true but not their play is not based on any Salary Cap nor Roster Limitations those are aspects but not the reason why they play or don't play? There is another aspect between College Rookeis and NFL Rookies that is far more direct Impact on them playing sooner and longer and applies later too Players. So you off topic already and just don't know it!
However, they play less than FR in college because you have a deeper pool of roster options and you are limited by the number of the best players you can get in one year via the draft system.
Again an aspect but you still don't why and there is big difference between CFB Players Rookies and Players and NFL and you just don't it!
Teams that "redshirt" 10% of their payroll are not going to be successful.
Redshirts and Payrolls are again tangential nothing but there is far more bigger reason and Coaches & Pros know and educated me on it, you just don't know it. If you ask me nice i'll educate you?
Jpripper88 has no clue what and why theer is big difference bewetn Freshmen Palying in CFB and Rookies playing in the NFL and it also includes Players not making Mistakes, he off topic big time, lacks the fundamentals understanding between CFB & NFL performance, I'll give another chance to figure it out so he doesn't look so stupid again? When I post it or someone does, he know he was wrong and it will be a Life Learning Event for him, like it was for me when a Sports Lawyer Former Player, A Coach and Pro Club Executive known as Jim Finks told me at a Dinner in Frisco at the Fairmont Hotel on Nob Hill and in the Tonga Tiki Bar Room at a Sports Lawyers Convention when I was a young turk too in the 1980s.
It directly impact the Players and his Performance and separates Players from those that are successful and play in the NFL as Rookies and big difference from a Redshirt Freshmen learning to play right away in the College?
"Jpripper88, post: 1600069, member: 2044"]They don't redshirt because they want contribution from their 85 and realize it is better to get those players snaps and experience right away than hope they develop and contribute 4 more years.
I agree this part regarding CFB Freshmen, and small part of it, but by no means all of it. There are direct reasons why Top Freshmen play right away in the judgement of Coaches that require their contributions, but that is not the Direct Impact that separates the when they become Top Rookies for an NFL Team that you called stupid, when you still don't know the difference?
It rarely happens. A player either leaves after 4 years (whether they contributed for 3 or 4) or they moved elsewhere long before that.
Very broad strokes of info but not specifics on the differences between a CFB Freshmen playing and Rookie NFL playing and keeping his job on a Team, by not making mistakes.
Other than with OL, it is very rare you have a 5th year player who has been contributing for multiple years.
True, but not that Rare, all FBS Programs have 85 Scholarships Players and limit Rosters to 105 during a season and limit how many can dress to 70 for a Game, but in the the Off Season Programs are allow to have have Rosters with no limits and many can afford and pay for all Insurance and Meal and Aspects to have those Players Practice that include Walk-Ons and 5th Year Players Walk-Ons by providing manpower for additional Scout teams to prepare against for future opponents. Nebraska in particular unlike some other schools walk-ons have the same access to training facilities and academic counseling as those with scholarships and are used so Second Teams can practice snaps as much First Teams. Walk-Ons can be given scholarships later but many walk-ons never play in a game during their athletic careers, six walk-ons have become All-American players and 29 have played in the NFL. Twelve have been named Academic All-Americans.
“The No. 1 benefit of walk-ons is the depth you’re able to achieve on the team,” Osborne said. “That depth enabled us to practice differently than just about everybody else in the country. We were always able to have two offensive stations and two defensive stations going simultaneously because of No. 3 teams. A lot of those guys just kept getting better and better.”
LINK TO THINK:
http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=207532761
Alabama enrolled 22 freshman and 14 of them have already played. Do you think they have the issue of not having talented SOs, JRs, or SRs? Of the 8, who haven't played, 3 are OL and 3 are CBs. Alabama took 2 WRs in the class and both have played despite Alabama having the best WR core in the country. Both FR RBs have played as well.
All true and one the best selling points Saban ash always used is to Recruits, is if you show me to can play I will start you and this is a big reason to go BAMA & OSU i might add, Meyer does the same thing and both Programs have Recruiting Staffs that find that talent. They are very special coaches that coach young talent.
Most Freshmen usually need time to grow and get bigger playing against 3rd Year Players already grown and faster and experienced and not making as many mistakes as some Freshmen.
In last years NCS Game Saban & Kiffen targeted a great Freshmen Clemson DB and he was burned a few times making mistakes and once again just 4 to 5 plays by 2 to 3 Players decided that game like most CFB games, just as a Smart CFB coach told me personally at the Allegheny Club Luncheon in 1981 and since then I am told by other coaches he is still right about that advice but it has moved to 4 to 6 or 7 plays since plays have moved from 60 to high as 80 sometimes in a Spread?
However, when these CFB Players go to the NFL in their 2nd or 3rd years, they have to adjust to bigger, faster, Players just as they did as Freshmen, but they get chance to do it better that CFB does not allow for any Player on the College Level to do and it is not due Roster Size or Salary Caps like you think?
I agree this part regarding CFB Freshmen, and small part of it, but by no means all of it. There are direct reasons why Top Freshmen play right away in the judgement of Coaches that require their contributions, but that is not the Direct Impact that separates the when they become Top Rookies for an NFL Team that you called stupid, when you still don't know the difference?
It rarely happens. A player either leaves after 4 years (whether they contributed for 3 or 4) or they moved elsewhere long before that.
Very broad strokes of info but not specifics on the differences between a CFB Freshmen playing and Rookie NFL playing and keeping his job on a Team, by not making mistakes.
Other than with OL, it is very rare you have a 5th year player who has been contributing for multiple years.
True, but not that Rare, all FBS Programs have 85 Scholarships Players and limit Rosters to 105 during a season and limit how many can dress to 70 for a Game, but in the the Off Season Programs are allow to have have Rosters with no limits and many can afford and pay for all Insurance and Meal and Aspects to have those Players Practice that include Walk-Ons and 5th Year Players Walk-Ons by providing manpower for additional Scout teams to prepare against for future opponents. Nebraska in particular unlike some other schools walk-ons have the same access to training facilities and academic counseling as those with scholarships and are used so Second Teams can practice snaps as much First Teams. Walk-Ons can be given scholarships later but many walk-ons never play in a game during their athletic careers, six walk-ons have become All-American players and 29 have played in the NFL. Twelve have been named Academic All-Americans.
“The No. 1 benefit of walk-ons is the depth you’re able to achieve on the team,” Osborne said. “That depth enabled us to practice differently than just about everybody else in the country. We were always able to have two offensive stations and two defensive stations going simultaneously because of No. 3 teams. A lot of those guys just kept getting better and better.”
LINK TO THINK:
http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=207532761
Alabama enrolled 22 freshman and 14 of them have already played. Do you think they have the issue of not having talented SOs, JRs, or SRs? Of the 8, who haven't played, 3 are OL and 3 are CBs. Alabama took 2 WRs in the class and both have played despite Alabama having the best WR core in the country. Both FR RBs have played as well.
All true and one the best selling points Saban ash always used is to Recruits, is if you show me to can play I will start you and this is a big reason to go BAMA & OSU i might add, Meyer does the same thing and both Programs have Recruiting Staffs that find that talent. They are very special coaches that coach young talent.
Most Freshmen usually need time to grow and get bigger playing against 3rd Year Players already grown and faster and experienced and not making as many mistakes as some Freshmen.
In last years NCS Game Saban & Kiffen targeted a great Freshmen Clemson DB and he was burned a few times making mistakes and once again just 4 to 5 plays by 2 to 3 Players decided that game like most CFB games, just as a Smart CFB coach told me personally at the Allegheny Club Luncheon in 1981 and since then I am told by other coaches he is still right about that advice but it has moved to 4 to 6 or 7 plays since plays have moved from 60 to high as 80 sometimes in a Spread?
However, when these CFB Players go to the NFL in their 2nd or 3rd years, they have to adjust to bigger, faster, Players just as they did as Freshmen, but they get chance to do it better that CFB does not allow for any Player on the College Level to do and it is not due Roster Size or Salary Caps like you think?
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Jesus, you are literally trying to make your point by referencing talking to people 35 years ago and equating it to the current game/leagues.
No, just pointing out how you don't know the difference and only you are stupid not knowing it, if that does upsets you, but your name calling won't educate you anymore than BAMA did? LLOL!
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