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McGowens

I guess Trey's just not as tough as you, gary. :rolleyes:
I think he is. I think his coach just needs to provide him some advice and encouragement.

I have never seen a player more visibly demonstrate a need for direction.

I have been on this board for a number of years and I have not seen or posted about anything like it.
 
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Did you ever have a bad stretch at your job or profession? Maybe you made a mistake, gave some bad advice or whatever. If you did, was you inclination to withdrawal, become less assertive than usual, ask for time off, something like that? I doubt it.

One gets stronger overcoming adversity, not shrinking from it.

What is best for this particular kid, will be best for the team. You think your approach is best, I think mine is. I guess we agree to disagree.

Ok here goes....I totally agree with your logic when it comes to dealing with
problems in life. I also like what you said about "one gets stronger overcoming adversity, not shrinking from it."
With that said, the shooting slump in which McGowens finds himself has only
worsened the harder he tries. If he were a defensive lineman, or maybe just
a rebounder in basketball....trying harder as your're suggesting would
undoubtedly work. Forcing the issue as he's doing obviously is not working.
I can tell you this for sure....when you're hitting your shots it just seems
so easy and the rim seems bigger than it is. When you can't hit em, the rim
looks like an impossibility. Thus the saying..."he can't put it in the ocean."
The mental part of all this is clearly getting the best of him, and that's why
so many of us see it as a confidence issue. What really compounds this
is the fact that he's a key part of our offense and our success. His performance
is instead making him a key part of our failure lately, and I feel that is
playing with his head.
 
Ok here goes....I totally agree with your logic when it comes to dealing with
problems in life. I also like what you said about "one gets stronger overcoming adversity, not shrinking from it."
With that said, the shooting slump in which McGowens finds himself has only
worsened the harder he tries. If he were a defensive lineman, or maybe just
a rebounder in basketball....trying harder as your're suggesting would
undoubtedly work. Forcing the issue as he's doing obviously is not working.
I can tell you this for sure....when you're hitting your shots it just seems
so easy and the rim seems bigger than it is. When you can't hit em, the rim
looks like an impossibility. Thus the saying..."he can't put it in the ocean."
The mental part of all this is clearly getting the best of him, and that's why
so many of us see it as a confidence issue. What really compounds this
is the fact that he's a key part of our offense and our success. His performance
is instead making him a key part of our failure lately, and I feel that is
playing with his head.
In the 2 games before his last 4, Trey took 8 shots in both games. That is at least close to a reasonable total.

In the 4 games since, he has taken 19. That is less than 5 shots a game.

Trey has made 8 of 19,how horrible is that? It certainly does not seem to be such a low percentage that he should stop shooting,

If you were 8 of your last 19, would you be as hesitant to shoot?

I could understand if we were talking about Ndir.
 
Relying strictly on statistics ( 8 of 19 ) you make a good point. I never posted that
I wanted him to stop shooting. I was suggesting how his overall game has tanked
and that as teams defensed him so well, he couldn't achieve the success he was
having earlier. As an 18 year old, inexperienced freshman my feeling was it was
getting the better of him. His confidence seemed to worsen and it was
hard for him to fight his way out of it.
My sense is, the harder he tried ...the worse it got. Different opinions, but good
discussion.
 
Let's wait to judge until next season.
IMO things will change but I realize lots of you losers can't wait to tear down someone or a program because that's that losers do!
Losers want more losers!
 
Did you ever have a bad stretch at your job or profession? Maybe you made a mistake, gave some bad advice or whatever. If you did, was you inclination to withdrawal, become less assertive than usual, ask for time off, something like that? I doubt it.

One gets stronger overcoming adversity, not shrinking from it.

What is best for this particular kid, will be best for the team. You think your approach is best, I think mine is. I guess we agree to disagree.


Shooting a basketball is in no way, shape or form similar to anything that most of us do on a daily basis at our job.

I can't believe that anyone who has played any significant amount of basketball wouldn't be able to relate to a player who was struggling with their shot. And I can't believe that anyone who experienced that particular problem solved it by just jacking up as many shots as they could.
 
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When I'm struggling on the tee with my driver and yanking it left, or pushing it right, sometimes a slight adjustment can correct it. Other times, everything I try makes it worse. When I find myself in this situation I've always found the best thing for me is to get up on the tee and have at it. No thinking, just grip it and rip it.

Your muscles know what to do, it's your head that's causing the problem. I say have at it Trey.
 
Your muscles know what to do, it's your head that's causing the problem. I say have at it Trey.


I agree, that's what he needs to do. But that's easier said than done. And he's clearly not able to do it right now. Which is why he should be taking shots when he is in that mindset and not taking them when he's not.
 
A view from afar: there is a notion outside of Pittsburgh (and maybe even closer to home) that McGowans has more issues with which to deal than just a shooting slump. Maybe they're connected; maybe they're not. And, if they are, which is the chicken and which is the egg? I hadn't seen this discussed on this board at all. In fact, I missed it during the game, but the replay is just a tad disturbing and has generated numerous posts on in the Virginia forum.

 
Sorry. I only linked Meyer's Twitter reply in my initial post. Here is the tweet to which he was responding.

 
McGowens showed early on he has a nasty streak, and I actually like that in a player. He'll be just fine if he learns how to play up to the line and not cross it.
 
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McGowens showed early on he has a nasty streak, and I actually like that in a player. He'll be just fine if he learns how to play up to the line and not cross it.

Agree. I'm OK with the bumping and some small skirmishes that ensue from physical play. Tripping is not part of playing tough.

Johnson has the same nasty streak to go along with a chip on his shoulder.
 
That trip was a real low moment, we are lucky the broadcasters didn't talk about it. Yeah, physical play is great. Even the occasional shove that comes out of it, it's an emotional sport. But that is dirty and a way to hurt someone and cheap.
 
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