Mel Tucker

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

On the brink of 10 years $95 Million?!

Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. You're telling me 5 years $25 Million wouldn't be enough to satisfy all parties? Just insane. Maybe they fear him getting poached, but that is just too much for a college coach who very well may finish 9-3.

 

[joeydavid]

On the brink of 10 years $95 Million?!

Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. You're telling me 5 years $25 Million wouldn't be enough to satisfy all parties? Just insane. Maybe they fear him getting poached, but that is just too much for a college coach who very well may finish 9-3.

Again, 7 of those wins were against teams that were 10 games below .500. Sounds like MSU is being leveraged to way overpay.

 

[cashisking884]

Also, who is going to poach him?

LSU and USC aren’t coming after him, and either are the teams they might poach from.

VT wouldn’t be able to steal him.

TCU would have no interest.

And if UF and Miami become available, both those schools can and would do better.

There shouldn’t really be any fear if you’re MSU.

 

[WillFerrell]

my goodness. they are freaking out because of LSU trying to poach him. how's our friend "recruits" going to handle this one?

 

[WillFerrell]

this has to make him the highest paid coach in the Big 10 I assume? madness.

 

[Upg bobcat]

PSU could be open.

 

[TD_6082]

Holy shit! That's insane. Jimmy Sexton must be his agent.

 

[pittdan77]

 

[thebadby2]

On the brink of 10 years $95 Million?!

Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. You're telling me 5 years $25 Million wouldn't be enough to satisfy all parties? Just insane. Maybe they fear him getting poached, but that is just too much for a college coach who very well may finish 9-3.

It's not the university's money:

Cowherd credited billionaires Dan Gilbert and Mat Ishbia for putting up money to fund Tucker's extension. While the co-hosts confirmed that an extension is seemingly in the cards, Mosallam corrected Cowherd for crediting Dan Gilbert's role in this extension. Instead, he identified Mat Ishbia and Steve St. Andre as the two mega-donors that deserve credit for stepping up to the plate here.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

It's not the university's money:

Cowherd credited billionaires Dan Gilbert and Mat Ishbia for putting up money to fund Tucker's extension. While the co-hosts confirmed that an extension is seemingly in the cards, Mosallam corrected Cowherd for crediting Dan Gilbert's role in this extension. Instead, he identified Mat Ishbia and Steve St. Andre as the two mega-donors that deserve credit for stepping up to the plate here.

I'd be curious to know what happens if the university wants to part ways with him in three years. Are these guys just going to pony up a $71.5M with no questions asked? I doubt it.

And regardless of who is funded this, it's still utter insanity.

 

[thebadby2]

Again, 7 of those wins were against teams that were 10 games below .500. Sounds like MSU is being leveraged to way overpay.

You're missing the point. MSU was expected, by everyone outside their own program, including their fans, administrators, trustees, and the billionaires funding Tucker's extension to be one of those teams they keep beating. And with good reason.

I'd be curious to know what happens if the university wants to part ways with him in three years. Are these guys just going to pony up a $71.5M with no questions asked? I doubt it.

And regardless of who is funded this, it's still utter insanity.

what good would the donation do the school if they have to eat the buyout? Not much-so you can get there’s a plan for that that doesn’t involve MSU having to eat it.

there are creative ways to structure these things, and I’m sure that’s what will be done.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

You're missing the point. MSU was expected, by everyone outside their own program, including their fans, administrators, trustees, and the billionaires funding Tucker's extension to be one of those teams they keep beating. And with good reason.

what good would the donation do the school if they have to eat the buyout? Not much-so you can get there’s a plan for that that doesn’t involve MSU having to eat it.

there are creative ways to structure these things, and I’m sure that’s what will be done.

Of course MSU isn't going to eat the buyout. I'm talking about from the perspective of tension arising if they want to part ways with Tucker before these guys would prefer. Are they regular donors and/or are they tight with other donors? Seems like something that could get messy down the line. It's why it's just silly, in my opinion, to throw these cartoonish numbers around when someone hasn't even come close to deserving it yet.

 

[cheesedanish9999]

I'd be thrilled about this if I was a MSU fan.

They got a coach that they really like and believe in.

MSU donors stepped up and donated money to keep him from leaving.

If Pitt found a great coach wouldn't you hope the same thing happened?

 

[HailtoPitt]

Why is it overpaying when it's a college football coach, but when it's a CEO somehow it is ok?

 

[Franb]

Again, 7 of those wins were against teams that were 10 games below .500. Sounds like MSU is being leveraged to way overpay.

His record in 3 years as a college head coach is 16-13; 11-6 in 2 years at MSU. 1 winning season in 3 years. That is very mediocre.

 

[ThePanthers]

It's not the university's money:

Cowherd credited billionaires Dan Gilbert and Mat Ishbia for putting up money to fund Tucker's extension. While the co-hosts confirmed that an extension is seemingly in the cards, Mosallam corrected Cowherd for crediting Dan Gilbert's role in this extension. Instead, he identified Mat Ishbia and Steve St. Andre as the two mega-donors that deserve credit for stepping up to the plate here.

Keep saying. Donors are the lifeblood of college athletics. No matter how big or small.

 

[joeydavid]

His record in 3 years as a college head coach is 16-13; 11-6 in 2 years at MSU. 1 winning season in 3 years. That is very mediocre.

Not to mention the "success" this season is on the back of a back-up running back from Wake who is gone after the season.

 

[TFBaum]

Again, 7 of those wins were against teams that were 10 games below .500. Sounds like MSU is being leveraged to way overpay.

I just started reading Michael Lewis book The Undoing Project in which the GM of the Houston Rockets determines that it is not steals per game but the steals per minutes played. To your if you have seven wins every year to start what are you really paying for? Did Sabin win a NC at MSU? I don’t think so and if he couldn’t why does anyone believe Tucker will?

 

[Hayekr]

Not to mention the "success" this season is on the back of a back-up running back from Wake who is gone after the season.

IMO He is a Fuente just waiting to happen (hefty extension after one good season as HC).

Only MSU already drastically overpaid when they threw 5.5 mill at him for 6 years after one below average season at Colorado where he went 5-7.

 

[bobfree]

On the brink of 10 years $95 Million?!

Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. You're telling me 5 years $25 Million wouldn't be enough to satisfy all parties? Just insane. Maybe they fear him getting poached, but that is just too much for a college coach who very well may finish 9-3.

This has disaster written all over it

 

[JokePa]

On the brink of 10 years $95 Million?!

Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. You're telling me 5 years $25 Million wouldn't be enough to satisfy all parties? Just insane. Maybe they fear him getting poached, but that is just too much for a college coach who very well may finish 9-3.

Before this post I had no idea who Mel Tucker was

 

[RaleighPittFan]

Before this post I had no idea who Mel Tucker was

Ditto

 

[Upg bobcat]

So do people now think Lyke made a smart move to extend Narduzzi after a 5-7 season? I don't think that was the sentiment when it happened, but that was a prime example of "buying low." On the other hand, MSU certainly seems to be buying high giving him the extension before the season is even over in the midst of a good season.

 

[joeydavid]

So do people now think Lyke made a smart move to extend Narduzzi after a 5-7 season? I don't think that was the sentiment when it happened, but that was a prime example of "buying low." On the other hand, MSU certainly seems to be buying high giving him the extension before the season is even over in the midst of a good season.

Unfortunately the rest of market will be required to pay a MSU stupid tax going forward.

 

[Chem95]

Unfortunately the rest of market will be required to pay a MSU stupid tax going forward.

Maybe. But it seems that LSU/USC went calling on Tucker/Mich St instead of Franklin/PSU. Wonder how far down the list those two programs go before they find their men.

 

[UPitt '89]

If MSU believes he is "the one"... and he ends up being just that.... then in 5 years this will be considered a bargain.

 

[thebadby2]

Unfortunately the rest of market will be required to pay a MSU stupid tax going forward.

If it's stupid for a school to let a couple of billionaire alums finance the bulk of its major athletic expenditures at no risk to the institution, I'm sure there are a great many schools out there that would like to get a lot dumber.

 

[pittdan77]

If it's stupid for a school to let a couple of billionaire alums finance the bulk of its major athletic expenditures at no risk to the institution, I'm sure there are a great many schools out there that would like to get a lot dumber.

The problem is that a big donor can end up controlling the school if they aren't careful. So long as they're around to pick up the buyout, I guess.

 

[thebadby2]

I'd be curious to know what happens if the university wants to part ways with him in three years. Are these guys just going to pony up a $71.5M with no questions asked? I doubt it.

And regardless of who is funded this, it's still utter insanity.

If I was a billionaire alum of a school, I wouldn't bet $50 million of my own money on a second year coach no matter what he did in years 1 and 2. But I'm not a billionaire, so I don't have to worry about that.

What Tucker has done this year given what he inherited is remarkable. But it's just his second year at MSU, third as a HC. There's no track record to support such an enormous extension. I think it's crazy too but it seems this is just the way college football is going these days, basically following what has happened over the last 25 years with paying players at the pro level. I mean when you look at what the NBA guys are making--I just saw that John Wall makes like 50 mill a year and he's sitting out the season because of issues with his contract--it's insane.

 

[TD_6082]

Maybe. But it seems that LSU/USC went calling on Tucker/Mich St instead of Franklin/PSU. Wonder how far down the list those two programs go before they find their men.

Tucker was probably thought to be more attainable than Franklin.

Wherever Franklin is coaching next year, he's probably headed for a bump up in pay.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

If I was a billionaire alum of a school, I wouldn't bet $50 million of my own money on a second year coach no matter what he did in years 1 and 2. But I'm not a billionaire, so I don't have to worry about that.

What Tucker has done this year given what he inherited is remarkable. But it's just his second year at MSU, third as a HC. There's no track record to support such an enormous extension. I think it's crazy too but it seems this is just the way college football is going these days, basically following what has happened over the last 25 years with paying players at the pro level. I mean when you look at what the NBA guys are making--I just saw that John Wall makes like 50 mill a year and he's sitting out the season because of issues with his contract--it's insane.

I just see it as unnecessary on every level. It's like asking how much a vase costs at a yard sale, being told $10 and then throwing them $200 to secure the deal. Saban and Dabo money just isn't his market rate.

 

[Chem95]

Tucker was probably thought to be more attainable than Franklin.

Wherever Franklin is coaching next year, he's probably headed for a bump up in pay.

So if School XYZ offers Franklin TuckerMoney, he says 'No Thanks...I'm stayin' at UPS'?

I'll have some of what you're smoking,

 

[TD_6082]

So if School XYZ offers Franklin TuckerMoney, he says 'No Thanks...I'm stayin' at UPS'?

I'll have some of what you're smoking,

No. Not at all. I'm saying if School XYZ offers Franklin TuckerMoney, his agent is going to tell PSU they need to try to match it if they want to keep him.

There is a reason Franklin hired Jimmy Sexton. Sexton is cornering the market on Head Coaches. He's negotiating buyouts at the same time he's filling the vacancy with one of his clients.

 

[JokePa]

So do people now think Lyke made a smart move to extend Narduzzi after a 5-7 season? I don't think that was the sentiment when it happened, but that was a prime example of "buying low." On the other hand, MSU certainly seems to be buying high giving him the extension before the season is even over in the midst of a good season.

They DEFINITELY bought high.

 

[PittMan 72]

Impulse can be a very risky thing. Tucker doesn’t have a real extensive track record at MSU.

Hard to say how this will turn out for MSU. (We know it’s GREAT for Tucker 😉).

What are the expectations now? That Sparty become the preeminent program in the B1G East and overtake tOSU? And if he doesn‘t/can’t, then what happens? Will they be satisfied with a consistent 2nd? 3rd? 🤷‍♂️

This will be interesting to observe, for sure.

 

[TD_6082]

Meanwhile, Harbaugh is about to lead Michigan to their 4th 10 win season in 7 years and he's taking a fairly big pay cut.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

The problem is that a big donor can end up controlling the school if they aren't careful. So long as they're around to pick up the buyout, I guess.

Exhibit A is most likely Texas

 

[HOF Coach]

Mel must be a bad ass mother tucker! 🏈

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Meanwhile, Harbaugh is about to lead Michigan to their 4th 10 win season in 7 years and he's taking a fairly big pay cut.

If Michigan thinks they would find a better coach....

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Mel must be a bad ass mother tucker! 🏈

Shut your mouth!