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Meleek decision, 11/11

Nah. UVA had a better conference record, a better overall record and better OOC wins. Not saying UVA deserved a bid. Just saying they were probably more deserving than Pitt. And it wasn't just the selection committee that seem to think that. Almost every bracketologist seemed to have the same read on it.

Virginia & Pitt just weren't very good last year. Both had bubble type resumes. That's a bizzare concept for a 10-loss team to think they are entitled to be in the tourney.

STOP IT

Pitt had

1. A better NET
2. A tougher SOS
3. A road win at UVa

There is not a person alive with any semblance of intelligence who thinks that UVa was more deserving than Pitt. Pitt beats them in every metric that matters and beat them head to head.
 
STOP IT

Pitt had

1. A better NET
2. A tougher SOS
3. A road win at UVa

There is not a person alive with any semblance of intelligence who thinks that UVa was more deserving than Pitt. Pitt beats them in every metric that matters and beat them head to head.

I can't remember all the details, but didn't Pitt get swept by Syracuse, lose to Clemson, lose to Florida, and lose to a Missouri team that went 0-18 in conference play?

Pretty much every mock bracket I just before Selection Sunday had Pitt out. It's wasn't necessarily a Pitt or UVA thing. Neither team had a good resume, and nobody really sheds any tears for bubble teams. UVA & Pitt both need to be better.
 
Bottom line - Winning matters more to the fans in the SEC. Pitt fans are lukewarm in their support. Pitt has a good basketball team and the crowd tonight sucked, including the Zoo.
 
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If you’re likely one-and-done, not sure what the big deal is taking less to play for your hometown school. 💁‍♂️

Probably lots of different reasons. I think a lot of kids grow up wanting to see what else is out there.

At Arkansas, he's going to get treated like an absolute rock star. Outside of UK, they have they have one of the most passionate basketball fan bases around.

Maybe it's a respect thing & he feels he the hometown should give him the most love. ($$$) and take care of him.

I have a friend that's a high school AD just outside of Knoxville. They have a 4-star recruit in football with offers from everywhere & this kid really didn't give much thought to Tennessee because he wanted to play at a high profile program. Hometown doesn't seem to mean a lot anymore.
 
I can't remember all the details, but didn't Pitt get swept by Syracuse, lose to Clemson, lose to Florida, and lose to a Missouri team that went 0-18 in conference play?

Pretty much every mock bracket I just before Selection Sunday had Pitt out. It's wasn't necessarily a Pitt or UVA thing. Neither team had a good resume, and nobody really sheds any tears for bubble teams. UVA & Pitt both need to be better.

Do we have to do this every time? Pitt had the better NET, better SOS, and beat UVa. The losses to Missouri and Syracuse and whoever else are, um, you know, factored into the NET and SOS. All bubble teams have bad losses. Pitt beat UVa and had the metrics. Only the gym teacher AD idiots ate stupid enough to think that UVa was more deserving. Oh, and lets not even talk about the eye test. UVa looked like a YMCA team.
 
Do we have to do this every time? Pitt had the better NET, better SOS, and beat UVa. The losses to Missouri and Syracuse and whoever else are, um, you know, factored into the NET and SOS. All bubble teams have bad losses. Pitt beat UVa and had the metrics. Only the gym teacher AD idiots ate stupid enough to think that UVa was more deserving. Oh, and lets not even talk about the eye test. UVa looked like a YMCA team.
UVA's last game before the tourney was a literal choke job to the NC State team that won the ACC Tournament.

Didn't Pitt have a game where they lost by 20 or 30 points to Wake Forest?

Neither team had a good resume. That's why they were bubble teams.

I'm going to exit this argument with this post. It feels like participating in a Kenny Pickett vs Mason Rudolph debate.
 
If you’re likely one-and-done, not sure what the big deal is taking less to play for your hometown school. 💁‍♂️
What if he gets hurt ?

What if he’s not quite as good as projected ?

Would you take a job and offer to take substantially less because you grew up there ?
 
UVA's last game before the tourney was a literal choke job to the NC State team that won the ACC Tournament.

Didn't Pitt have a game where they lost by 20 or 30 points to Wake Forest?

Neither team had a good resume. That's why they were bubble teams.

I'm going to exit this argument with this post. It feels like participating in a Kenny Pickett vs Mason Rudolph debate.
Disagree completely - our resume was good enough. We got bounced because there were a lot of bid stealers last year. That wound up being the reason, though UVA definitely should not have gotten in over us either.
 
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What if he gets hurt ?

What if he’s not quite as good as projected ?

Would you take a job and offer to take substantially less because you grew up there ?
Fair points. The last part is a function of what the player wants. If he really wanted to be here, he would have been willing to take less.
 
Disagree completely - our resume was good enough. We got bounced because there were a lot of bid stealers last year. That wound up being the reason, though UVA definitely should not have gotten in over us either.

I just think if you aren't safely in on Selection Sunday, the resume isn't very good.

When you think about good Pitt teams, or Virginia, for that matter, 2023-24 isn't really ever going to enter the conversation.
 
UVA's last game before the tourney was a literal choke job to the NC State team that won the ACC Tournament.

Didn't Pitt have a game where they lost by 20 or 30 points to Wake Forest?

Neither team had a good resume. That's why they were bubble teams.

I'm going to exit this argument with this post. It feels like participating in a Kenny Pickett vs Mason Rudolph debate.

You want to credit NC State for losing to a 12 seed. Pitt played a 1 seed to the wire 2 hours earlier. Why do you keep bringing up individual games? NET and SOS takes every game into account and Pitt was better. And Pitt blew the doors off of UVa at UVa. That's huge.
 
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So the announcement didn’t happen ?
He chose Arkansas over Pitt. Sounds like Uconn was third for whatever that matters. Seeing rumor multi places online it was around 1.3 million in that big chicken money. Cal is truly a wiz even with the money though because with Acuff already signed and more top players on the way, he can't even guarantee playing time. Like how did he get DJ Wagner to come to Kentucky to play 20 minutes then follow him to Arkansas except that he just connects with these guys? (I'm sure UK could offer Wagner big money to stay in Kentucky instead)
 
He chose Arkansas over Pitt. Sounds like Uconn was third for whatever that matters. Seeing rumor multi places online it was around 1.3 million in that big chicken money. Cal is truly a wiz even with the money though because with Acuff already signed and more top players on the way, he can't even guarantee playing time. Like how did he get DJ Wagner to come to Kentucky to play 20 minutes then follow him to Arkansas except that he just connects with these guys? (I'm sure UK could offer Wagner big money to stay in Kentucky instead)
Are there any hunches at how much Pitt offered?
 
Are there any hunches at how much Pitt offered?
No clue, but I can't imagine we'd offer so much money for a one and done that it would have cost us the flexibility to resign some talented guards we have now and also try to land a wing or big. Maybe he's worth a million to Arkansas to play 600 minutes but not Pitt.
 
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He chose Arkansas over Pitt. Sounds like Uconn was third for whatever that matters. Seeing rumor multi places online it was around 1.3 million in that big chicken money. Cal is truly a wiz even with the money though because with Acuff already signed and more top players on the way, he can't even guarantee playing time. Like how did he get DJ Wagner to come to Kentucky to play 20 minutes then follow him to Arkansas except that he just connects with these guys? (I'm sure UK could offer Wagner big money to stay in Kentucky instead)
Bummer
 
Right but would you support spending like 18% of all Pitt NIL money across all sports on one shooting guard who is very likely to play one year or less?
I would if he was the missing piece that would transform them into a FF team .

For argument sake let’s say he’s the real deal and they make a FF , but lose . He’s all in about coming back and wining a national championship . My guess is that with that kind of success the NIL money for him magically appears .

If he’s a great player , but doesn’t get it done then you renegotiate or cut ties .
 
Pitt could have put together a reasonable enough offer. The issue, is that Pitt needs to plan and budget. To the dollar. So they are basically operating year to year. There is only so much money to go around. They will need to see what happens with Jaland after the season. They have an idea of the amount of money leaving, but it is unknown how much money will need to remain with returners.

A program like Arkansas right now can just make these offers out in the future. That is the challenge. It would have been a major task for Pitt to extend their offer, and then have to figure it out after the season. Very painful. Without a specific donor stepping up and basically paying Maleek personally. He always seemed destined for Arkansas so I really don't think they spent too much time on the offer package.
 
Pitt could have put together a reasonable enough offer. The issue, is that Pitt needs to plan and budget. To the dollar. So they are basically operating year to year. There is only so much money to go around. They will need to see what happens with Jaland after the season. They have an idea of the amount of money leaving, but it is unknown how much money will need to remain with returners.

A program like Arkansas right now can just make these offers out in the future. That is the challenge. It would have been a major task for Pitt to extend their offer, and then have to figure it out after the season. Very painful. Without a specific donor stepping up and basically paying Maleek personally. He always seemed destined for Arkansas so I really don't think they spent too much time on the offer package.
It seems to me a school like Pitts only chance to acquire and retain elite talent is to find two or three really wealthy individuals who can underwrite the programs they wish to support . If the number 1.3 million is the number it would have taken to sign him that means Pitt needed 130 donors to cough up 10k apiece to sign him and that’s just not going to happen .
 
The new AD should immediately re-watch the movie Moneyball. Pitt is basically the Oakland A's. There is no way they can outspend the big boys head to head. We have to figure out where and when to spend our scarce resources. Even a very smart and judicious use of funds may not be enough to make us competitive at the highest level. Alternatively, we can use all our NIL money each year to buy a bunch of Powerball tickets and pray.
 
The new AD should immediately re-watch the movie Moneyball. Pitt is basically the Oakland A's. There is no way they can outspend the big boys head to head. We have to figure out where and when to spend our scarce resources. Even a very smart and judicious use of funds may not be enough to make us competitive at the highest level. Alternatively, we can use all our NIL money each year to buy a bunch of Powerball tickets and pray.
I'm pretty sure the guy that Moneyball is based off of was hired by the Cleveland Browns 7 or 8 years ago (not Beane, but the Ivy League guy). His strategy has not seemed to have worked for the Browns. Not sure it can apply anywhere other than major league baseball, as least based on what we see with the Browns.
 
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Pitt could have put together a reasonable enough offer. The issue, is that Pitt needs to plan and budget. To the dollar. So they are basically operating year to year. There is only so much money to go around. They will need to see what happens with Jaland after the season. They have an idea of the amount of money leaving, but it is unknown how much money will need to remain with returners.

A program like Arkansas right now can just make these offers out in the future. That is the challenge. It would have been a major task for Pitt to extend their offer, and then have to figure it out after the season. Very painful. Without a specific donor stepping up and basically paying Maleek personally. He always seemed destined for Arkansas so I really don't think they spent too much time on the offer package.
I know it will sound like sour grapes, but I really didn't want Pitt to break the bank for Meleek. Not unless someone like you mentioned stepped up to finance him on his own. Pitt can't afford to throw all their BB NIL at one player coming out of HS.

What Allen Green needs to do is turn Thomas Tull into a Pitt BB fan. I have no idea if he cares one iota about Pitt BB, but we have a multi billionaire living in the city who clearly likes basketball. Get him in the Pete, get his kids in the Pete, give him courtside tickets, access to the team, send players to his kids birthday party, whatever it takes to get him involved. Make the investment to court him, and maybe he makes an investment.
 
I'm pretty sure the guy that Moneyball is based off of was hired by the Cleveland Browns 7 or 8 years ago (not Beane, but the Ivy League guy). His strategy has not seemed to have worked for the Browns. Not sure it can apply anywhere other than major league baseball, as least based on what we see with the Browns.
Probably wouldn't apply because the whole premise is that you have enough reliable data to crunch in order to optimize spending decisions. Might apply for portal guys with a few years experience but really wouldn't apply to high school recruits since they have yet to prove anything at the college level. Nevertheless, the reality is that we're going to have to be pretty judicious with our spending decisions since we don't have enough money to throw a bunch against the wall and see what sticks.
 
I would if he was the missing piece that would transform them into a FF team .

For argument sake let’s say he’s the real deal and they make a FF , but lose . He’s all in about coming back and wining a national championship . My guess is that with that kind of success the NIL money for him magically appears .

If he’s a great player , but doesn’t get it done then you renegotiate or cut ties .
Considering Pitt has a more football oriented donor base, you may be somewhat alone on this one. He's not going to play two years either, he's a classic Calipari one and done guard. He'll play like 23 minutes a game for 27 games then be drafted by the Pelicans.
 
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I know it will sound like sour grapes, but I really didn't want Pitt to break the bank for Meleek. Not unless someone like you mentioned stepped up to finance him on his own. Pitt can't afford to throw all their BB NIL at one player coming out of HS.

What Allen Green needs to do is turn Thomas Tull into a Pitt BB fan. I have no idea if he cares one iota about Pitt BB, but we have a multi billionaire living in the city who clearly likes basketball. Get him in the Pete, get his kids in the Pete, give him courtside tickets, access to the team, send players to his kids birthday party, whatever it takes to get him involved. Make the investment to court him, and maybe he makes an investment.

Tull's son is in something like 8th or 9th grade and is really into basketball, which is why he built him that first-class NBA-worthy practice facility. That said, I am sure he is probably like D3 level. BballinsiderfromPitt said we should offer the kid a scholarship in hopes that dad will buy him a Natty. However, if you are the kid, wouldn't you rather try to go lower D1 to see if you can get playing time rather than being a scholarship walk-on? Also, if you are ok being a scholarship walk-on, you can probably name your school with dad's NIL promises.
 
Tull's son is in something like 8th or 9th grade and is really into basketball, which is why he built him that first-class NBA-worthy practice facility. That said, I am sure he is probably like D3 level. BballinsiderfromPitt said we should offer the kid a scholarship in hopes that dad will buy him a Natty. However, if you are the kid, wouldn't you rather try to go lower D1 to see if you can get playing time rather than being a scholarship walk-on? Also, if you are ok being a scholarship walk-on, you can probably name your school with dad's NIL promises.
Well, all the more reason for Green to host him courtside for as many home games as he can get him there.
 
Considering Pitt has a more football oriented donor base, you may be somewhat alone on this one. He's not going to play two years either, he's a classic Calipari one and done guard. He'll play like 23 minutes a game for 27 games then be drafted by the Pelicans.
I use to enjoy both programs , but over the years I’ve had enough of the football programs issues and just casually follow them now .

Pitt is in no position in either sport to compete against schools that take winning seriously and have a fan base that feels the same way .

Would I give the kid the reported 1.3 to play , no way , but a program like Arkansas who obviously has the necessary funds why not .
 
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I know it will sound like sour grapes, but I really didn't want Pitt to break the bank for Meleek. Not unless someone like you mentioned stepped up to finance him on his own. Pitt can't afford to throw all their BB NIL at one player coming out of HS.

What Allen Green needs to do is turn Thomas Tull into a Pitt BB fan. I have no idea if he cares one iota about Pitt BB, but we have a multi billionaire living in the city who clearly likes basketball. Get him in the Pete, get his kids in the Pete, give him courtside tickets, access to the team, send players to his kids birthday party, whatever it takes to get him involved. Make the investment to court him, and maybe he makes an investment.
I’m interested in this concept of giving a billionaire a bunch of fee stuff so then maybe he will give money.
What’s the logic there ?
Cost of tickets isn’t prohibitive to him .
 
I’m interested in this concept of giving a billionaire a bunch of fee stuff so then maybe he will give money.
What’s the logic there ?
Cost of tickets isn’t prohibitive to him .
It's called investing in making him and his kids Pitt fans. The cost is nothing.
 
It's called investing in making him and his kids Pitt fans. The cost is nothing.
Who else should we comp prime seats to ?
Why should actual donors get bumped ?
The cost is pissing off those who have those seats
Making actual donors mad to chase a whale who isn’t actively looking to attend is a terrible strategy .
 
Who else should we comp prime seats to ?
Why should actual donors get bumped ?
The cost is pissing off those who have those seats
Making actual donors mad to chase a whale who isn’t actively looking to attend is a terrible strategy .

Are donors really that petty?

I think a lot of them would appreciate an attempt to get the program in a position to land a talent like Meleek.
 
Pitt could have put together a reasonable enough offer. The issue, is that Pitt needs to plan and budget. To the dollar. So they are basically operating year to year. There is only so much money to go around. They will need to see what happens with Jaland after the season. They have an idea of the amount of money leaving, but it is unknown how much money will need to remain with returners.

A program like Arkansas right now can just make these offers out in the future. That is the challenge. It would have been a major task for Pitt to extend their offer, and then have to figure it out after the season. Very painful. Without a specific donor stepping up and basically paying Maleek personally. He always seemed destined for Arkansas so I really don't think they spent too much time on the offer package.
This 💯 but ultimately Pitt has been Pitt’s biggest problem in the Fundraising arena. Disorganized. Fragmented. Tons of clueless minions buzzing around. Slow to embrace A412. Could go on and on but why bother? Meleek took the sweaty chicken dough from Slick Johnny Cal because of the amount AND Cal’s record w One & Done’s. It’s all about the Benjamin$ now in this awful system.
 
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