"Jpripper88, post: 529673, member: 2044"]Winning percentage? They are 2nd to Oregon in your arbitrary choice of evaluation and time period.
Well, as seen in you're earlier post, you were not even educated to know Bama was 18th in this Century? It was not arbitrary, Looking at the last 5, 10 and 15 years is important to see what Programs have moved up and down in Elite Status! You are just upset you did not know it? As well as your ignorance on CFB is lacking. I know how, why, and when Clemson made a commitment to become an Elite Program in CFB and that was in the early 2000! I am not going to educate you either, you need to educate yourself on many topic on CFB as my post have pointed out about you a number of times due to the l;ack of your abilities and knowledge
Elite programs win titles.
I disagree in part, that is your myopic view, CFB Programs strive to win first more 10+ Games than other Programs, and then find Coaches that play in and then win Conference Championships, and then play in National Titles. Your definition is incomplete and I'll show you why below.
Even Bama did not win many Titles after Bear Bryant retired from 1981-1989 the last Bama's SEC Conference Title in that Era, using your myopic criteria Bama was not an Elite Program from 1982-89?
Or really from 1980 to 1991 since Bama won No National Titles? I still think otherwise, by using my criteria, Bama still strives to win those 10+ win & Titles but just came up short?
Who is the better program over the last 5 (obviously not including this year, which would jump Alabama to #1) years?
I don't disagree with that at all, but you just are not educated enough on Clemson and Dabo's accomplishments either. Clemson has grown from being a top 18 Program in Wins to Top 6 and even higher after this year? Certainly Elite!
Using your criteria Bama was not an elite Program for 16 Years either from 1993 to 2008 Bama won National Titles and went through 4 Coaches before Saban won a NCS in 2009?
On the other hand, Clemson hired a Bama Native & Bama Player Alumni & Assistant Coach in 2003 in Coach Dabo Swinney that became the Head coach in 2008! Since then he has won .701% Winning Percentage and won 1 ACC title and shared in 4 more, and this year has Clemson in the CFB Playoff NCS Hunt again! Dabo got the Clemson job right after Saban got his at Bama, both did great, and of course Saban has done better. But both are Elite this year, last 3 to 8 years too! Something Bama Fans can be proud of at Bama and Clemson!
58 wins and 2 titles (conveniently leaving out a 3rd title and 14 wins by a year) or 60 wins and 0 titles? What do you think Oregon would choose?
Oregon has been an Elite program as well over the past years and even better before Bama came back being one in 2009, using your poor criteria?
Hell, go back to 2000 (again, for what reason?) and ask EVERY program in the country whether they would trade their success for Alabama's.
You mean from 2009, not 2000, because under your criteria Bama was not elite until 2009, not 2000? You made that error again!
Sadly, Bama was caught with NCAA Violations from 1995 and put on probation 3 Times, some Fans would be embarrassed by that and not winning National Championships and going through many Coaches, under your view they were not Elite?
Do you approve of Winning by Cheating? Do you teach your children that way?? More importantly, Bama won no National Championships from 1993 to 2008, and was caught cheating during this period, do you consider that a achievement of Elite status???
Who declines? MAYBE Florida? Maybe USC? Anyone else? That is without even considering their competition, which has been much, much harder.
Bama was in decline while cheating and not an Elite program under your criteria??? Florida was Elite without NCAA Probation, and declined after changing coaches just like Bama did after Bear and Stallings, USC was Elite while cheating and got NCAA Sanctions, but still won every year with Sanctions? Florida is on the way back, just like Bama after hiring Saban, but I always viewed that elite, too bad you just don't know CFB based on your post?
You are such a homer troll without any basis in reality.
I don't deny I know Football, but I am smarter than you, LOL! Where Pitt is better or up with Elite Programs I am proud of it, and Pitt does have more Players in CFB & NFL Hall of Fames than even Bama, and you hate that as Bama Homer!
You can skew a stat to make Pitt look like an elite program.
It is in some areas, and di not cheat like Bama has been doing many times! Yet, I still respect Bama as a Great University, FB Program, and thank them for Jackie Sherrill, but they can't be proud of you as graduate based on what you show you don't here? After all, your criteria has removed Bama as an Elite program in more years then being one? LOL!
We aren't. You can skew it to tell just about any story you want.
Not really, that what you attempted to do, I am just showing what you lack in knowledge on CFb and that is on you and you're inability to refute it, and using your own criteria against Clemson run by a Bama Native Son, as truth and proof of your ignorance and if you try to deny it now a seen on these Board....then you have reduced Bama in many years to Non-Elite status using your own ignorant criteria, not me? Bama must graduate smarter Posters than you do they not?
I knew every "answer" you were about to provide, but wanted you to dig your familiar hole where you think you are a genius and thought provoker, instead of what you really are. Back to the basement.
Really, not after you read this post that had to correct your own??? Now you know what you did not know, and that makes you not so smart either, just like before I educated on other CFB & NFL Football. Right now, as I see it, one can take that brain is about as big as an eyelash on Football!
And, yep. Alabama cheats soooo bad and Clemson does nothing. Pristine.
Well, you're own words reveal more about you and Bama does it not, not Clemson and me?
Let's pretend that is true on both sides.
Why pretend, only you now are telling stories now, just stick realities on verifiable facts that can be used to describe what an Elite Program is in Today's CFB right now? Why do you need to pretend anything, you don't yourself, or you're lack of knowledge, change it go read and be become smarter?
Which do you think Clemson fans would rather have?
I think Clemson Fans are happy with Bama's Native son Dabo's Coaching that has Elite Clemson right there with Elite Bama in today's Polls and CFB Playoff Hunt with a win against ND! And owe Bama a Debt of Gratitude like Pitt did under Sherrill not any pretending. What do you think?
Bring on the "probation" and bring on the titles.
Again, those are your values and we know what you do not know about CFB again. Some Universities prefer to build an Elite Program without cheating and have done it more than the Cheaters. Bama Fans have much to be proud of and how they won many games fairly without cheating and would not approve of cheating to win, except you! Bam is today, this century and last century an Elite Program, and Clemson has risen to that status the last 5 and 8 years too! Not as high as Bama!
I sure as hell know I would love for Pitt to be in that position, rather than where we have been for the last 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, and yes, even 35 and 40+ years.
No you don't, you are lying, you went to Bama, and could care less about Pitt a seen by your posts on the Lair! But the Lair educates Posters here on the Lair, understand that Dear, is that clear Dear! Pitt is still ahead of Bama is some areas of College Football Excellence without being Elite and without Cheating?
Clemson isn't scratching the surface of elite.
Well, then neither did Bama many years either!
They have won absolutely nothing. They have piled up some wins under Dabo. That means zilch. Maybe they can get on the radar of being a top (likely never elite) program if they win it all this year. Maybe.
Well, I have shown you the errors in your ways of poor thinking, and have provided facts that can be verified and not you're poorly supported opinions that you back up by praising, supporting, and advocating cheating? Bama Fans I know would be ashamed of you as a Alumnus, if you ever graduated from Bama as claimed?
It is College Football Knowledge not Rocket Science that The University Of Alabama helped develop for NASA and the USA!
Dabo is a Bama Native Son from Birmingham and Saban is from West Virginia you should have more respect for both, but until you earn respect for yourself, you can't have much for others either!!!
I respect BAMA being an Elite Program and Clemson too, right now and the past 5 to 8 years! However, I can't respect your posts as for reasons I have stated above easily to refute!
Now thank me, for educating you, and go sin no more on the Lair!
